[12:09] <zequence> Sorry for being so damn slow with the SRU process for jackd2. It's undeway, and I've got the patched jackd2 packages available for all releases at ppa:zequence/sru
[12:10] <zequence> There's also a qjackctl package there, for quantal, so if one would like to help me test, there's no need to upgrade the qjackctl package
[12:11] <zequence> Preferred way is probably to add the ppa, update, and then do: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade jackd2
[12:15] <astraljava> zequence: One second, I'll see if I can connect to my desktop.
[12:16] <astraljava> Yes, I can. I'll test in a bit.
[12:19] <zequence> astraljava: Thanks. I was able to test the i386 version for quantal
[12:19] <zequence> amd64 is still pending in the build que
[12:19] <zequence> cue*
[12:23] <zequence> bug 
[12:23] <zequence> bug 956438
[12:24] <zequence> That's the bug for the sru. Seems to be under way now
[12:26] <astraljava> Cool, my rig is an amd64, so I'll test in a bit when the build is finished.
[12:42] <zequence> I reported the bug almost one year ago. Made the patch fix more than two months ago. It's pathetic, is what it is
[12:42] <zequence> ..not my code, of course
[12:43] <astraljava> Ahh... well, you're acting on it, that's much better than can be said about anyone else. :)
[12:52] <astraljava> zequence: Output of the operation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1608569/
[12:55] <astraljava> zequence: I also started gmb after that, and checked that it still scrobbles to last.fm, so at least pulse didn't feel too bad about it (shouldn't have, anyway, but thought to double-check anyway). :)
[12:56] <zequence> astraljava: The change to the code is very slim, so it should be ok. Hopefully stopping jackdbus should not be a problem anymore
[12:57] <zequence> Previously I tested the patch against the actual packages of quantal and precise. This time I used my own branch, which is a patched version of the same source as quantal has
[12:57] <zequence> precise is more or less the same as well
[12:57] <zequence> raring previously had the same version of quantal
[12:58] <contrapunctus> zequence?
[12:59] <contrapunctus> Odd, I sent you a private message, but it says 'you must log in with services to message this user'.
[12:59] <contrapunctus> Anyway, man, got a sec?
[13:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: You need a registered freenode account to PM me. I ran into some moron recently, so I felt this was an easy way to mute him
[13:01] <contrapunctus> o.o
[13:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: Whatäs up?
[13:01] <zequence> That's Swedish for what's up, apparently
[13:01] <contrapunctus> lol!
[13:02] <contrapunctus> Well...there's this PD synth patch I've been trying to get to work. Can you check it out for me? o.o
[13:02] <zequence> contrapunctus: Are you on #dataflow, let's move the discussion there
[13:03] <contrapunctus> Yup.
[13:12] <astraljava> zequence: Gotcha. Ok, thanks for doing the dirty work, I'm sure many users (as well as the rest of us) appreciate your efforts!
[13:50] <zequence> scott-work: What's up?
[13:51] <zequence> scott-work: I added a blueprint for the website. Seemed logical to have one
[13:51] <zequence> There are some workitems that go there, presently under other blueprints
[13:51] <zequence> ..I think
[13:52] <zequence> Wasn't particularly looking at that, but realized that one of the big things to have is really info about device support
[13:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: Hi
[13:54] <zequence> smartboyhw: Hope you don't mind I overtook your workitem. 
[13:54] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Testing
[13:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, hello
[13:54] <smartboyhw> don't worry:)
[13:54] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ping
[13:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'd still like it if you worked on whatever you want within the testing part. As, ISO testing, or desktop testing. Those are both two things that I have not been focusing on at all myself
[13:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah:D
[13:55] <zequence> I'm not touching the docs for ISO testing, for instance.
[13:56] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Hi, apologies for not having written any testimonials. I feel that as I've distanced myself from the project, and not having witnessed your actual work, I cannot write anything from that area. Hope you got enough from people who are actually present in the project. :)
[13:56] <smartboyhw> astraljava, well I've got 8 testimonials in my wiki. Should be enough!
[13:56] <astraljava> Oh wow, yeah that sounds plenty! :)
[13:58] <zequence> The existing page on ISO testing is done by scott-work, but it's more of a sketch as I see it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TestingQA-ISOImages. Could be simplified into the actual tasks that need to be done
[13:58]  * smartboyhw goes to work on ktorrent 
[13:58] <smartboyhw> DId I tell  you guys I am now a Kubuntu packager?
[13:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: Sounds like you are doing many things
[13:59] <scott-work>  zequence cool. that's a good idea. i'll take a look at it.
[14:00] <scott-work> hello smartboyhw : pong
[14:00] <smartboyhw> zequence, I'm starting to get used to it now (don't worry, I'm still keeping track of testing here:P)
[14:00] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you received that email about the 12.04.2 release notes?
[14:01] <scott-work> smartboyhw: hmmm, not sure. don't seem to recall it but i haven't really checked email with focus during the weekend.
[14:01] <scott-work> ah yes, i see it now.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I just received it 
[14:02] <scott-work> smartboyhw: is there anything in particular you are worried about not being included?
[14:02] <scott-work> i'll have to clear my head space and think about it later before changing anything or replying
[14:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, the problem is: We didn't do much for Precise did we?:P
[14:03] <scott-work> i don't _think_ we did, but perhaps zequence, len-nb , or astraljava might remember something
[14:03] <zequence> The only thing I'm working on for Precise is the sru for jackd2
[14:03] <zequence> Which is still pending
[14:04] <zequence> We don't need to do much for precise though. The news are more about security updates, etc
[14:04] <zequence> And that's really mostly Ubuntu specific, or even Xubuntu specific
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, that SRU is still pending? Hmm...
[14:06] <astraljava> scott-work: Without context, hard to say. :) I'll have to refresh my memory about it for sure, too.
[14:07] <scott-work> hehe, me too astraljava , me too ;)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:07] <scott-work> zequence: we've updated the lowlatency kernel, no?  that would be a nice one to add
[14:08]  * smartboyhw strangely has no new lowlatency kernel for raring...
[14:08] <smartboyhw> My space key is difficult to press on today
[14:10] <zequence> zequence: That is true. We're nowadays updating the source for the kernel ourselves. And, linux-lowlatency is no longer behind in versions as was the problem eearlier for Precise
[14:11] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, who are you talking to?:P
[14:11] <zequence> The raring lowlatency is only updated as needed before release
[14:11] <zequence> scott-work: ^
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, !?
[14:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: Myself apparently
[14:12] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:12] <smartboyhw> really?
[14:13] <scott-work> lol, that was kinda funny
[14:18] <scott-work> talking to infinity about the publishing/photography meta upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10
 scott-work: If so, you probably want to quirk the release-upgrader to add them on upgrades.
 scott-work: It might be as simple as adding those packages to PostUpgradeInstall in the [ubuntustudio-desktop] section of data/DistUpgrade.cfg
[14:31] <smartboyhw> scott-work, what did I miss?
[14:31] <zequence> scott-work: Looks promising
[14:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: There's a plan to SRU the new workflows so they become available also in Precise
[14:34] <scott-work> smartboyhw: <infinity> scott-work: It might be as simple as adding those packages to PostUpgradeInstall in the [ubuntustudio-desktop] section of data/DistUpgrade.cfg
[14:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, scott-work great news
[14:34] <scott-work> inifinity is saying that this will cause an "upgrade" (or installation) of these packages during each release upgrade though, which is probably an okay situation
[14:34] <scott-work> but he did say we would definitely need to test this
[14:36] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I will as soon as it is ready
[14:37] <smartboyhw> scott-work, remember to send out weekly reports:)
[14:39] <zequence> scott-work: I think this is ok. Might be nice to add a (y/n) script in there
[14:40] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yes, thank you for the reminder. i had remembers friday late and then completely forgot about it
[14:40] <zequence> I'm not familiar at all with the ISO and installation stuff as of now. But, I could take a look at this. Which reminds me of the ubiquity pluing
[14:43] <zequence> I'd "Remember the Milk", if I hadn't forgotten to install it again
[14:44] <zequence> or a client for it, in the form of "tasque"
[14:50] <zequence> bb in a couple of hours
[17:19] <zequence> scott-work: How does it work, with the code to the ISO? Where is all it exactly?
[17:20] <zequence> Actually, I think I'd like to do an inventory of all code Ubuntu Studio is connected to
[17:25] <zequence> I had a look at the ubiquity plugins. Should be no problem to add whatever we want there
[17:25] <scott-work> zequence: to be honest, i haven't a clue at this point.
[17:26] <scott-work> zequence: but that is good news about the plugin, though
[17:26] <scott-work> i believe the ability to exclude certain groups of packages will be appealing to someone who wants to set up an purely audio studio
[17:26] <scott-work> or even other wise
[17:30] <zequence> scott-work: I
[17:30] <zequence> I'm thinking it would be nice to make all workflows instalable separately
[17:30] <zequence> A list with toggles
[17:31] <zequence> Also thinking about the logic with low latency settings. Many people might not need it. But, you may want it, even if not the whole set of audio packages
[17:31] <scott-work> zequence: right, right. i was just giving one example. sorry for the confusion
[17:34] <zequence> So, for some people -generic might be enough. One could add a "pro audio settings" toggle as well, toggled by default, which would install the core items, like linux-lowlatency
[17:34] <zequence> I haven't thought through anything. Just thinking out loud
[17:35] <zequence> So, that's package choices, pretty much
[17:35] <zequence> What else do we need?
[17:40] <zequence> scott-work: I think what I really meant was which code was infinity talking about before?
[17:44] <scott-work> zequence: i think in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager
[17:44] <scott-work> digging in now
[17:48] <scott-work> zequence: this should be it:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/update-manager/precise/files/head:/DistUpgrade/
[17:48] <scott-work> i was looking into raring and it wasn't there, so something is has apparently changed since then
[17:50] <scott-work> but since we are worrying about updating precise, then i guess this sounds like the right thing
[17:50] <zequence> scott-work: Right. Thanks
[17:50] <zequence> I'm gonna go for a run. bb in an hour or so
[17:50] <scott-work> right-o :)
[18:56] <zequence> scott-work: Ok, I got the code. Need to put some time in it (upgrade thing)
[18:57] <scott-work> zequence: cool :)
[19:41] <zequence> scott-work: Let me just ask you a bit about this thing. I need to get this clear to me. Do we want the precise ISO to install the two new workflows?
[19:42] <zequence> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't depend on the metas after all
[19:42] <zequence> which it shouldn't, of course
[19:43] <zequence> If we add the new workflows to the ISO, I don't think that would mean anyone would find themselves getting the new workflows as a part of a normal upgrade, right?
[19:43] <zequence> And the second part. When someone upgrades to quantal, do we want them to get the new workflows?
[19:44] <zequence> I can only find one solution for that, if the answer is yes. During upgrade, the user is asked if wanting to install them, and thus made aware of the new workflows.
[19:45] <zequence> You can still install Ubuntu Studio from a netinstall CD
[19:45] <zequence> And that means you might not have installed all of the workflows
[19:47] <zequence> What I'm saying is, the only time I think the user should not have the choice to have them installed is when installing directly from our ISO
[19:47] <scott-work> zequence: it sounds like there might be two separate issues: getting a new precise install to include the two new metas, and also anyone upgrading from an existing precise install
[19:47] <zequence> Well, yes
[19:48] <zequence> And, I meant to say, the only time the user should not have a choice about it, is when installing from the ISO. Since we don't offer any choices there anyway
[19:48] <scott-work> true
[19:48] <zequence> scott-work: So, how important is it really to get the workflows from an upgrade?
[19:49] <scott-work> i wonder if we have updated anything on precise for the new metas. i can't currently recall at this time
[19:50] <zequence> scott-work: No, it seems to have been untouched since April
[19:50] <scott-work> zequence: "how important" - i think len suggested (but maybe i'm misremembering) that upgrading from 12.04 -> 12.10 wouldn't bring in the new metas, even though if you installed 12.10 from ISO you would get them
[19:50] <scott-work> but that doesn't sound right
[19:50] <scott-work> hi falktx , ttoine  :)
[19:50] <ttoine> hi scott-work 
[19:51] <ttoine> scott-work, I have a great news
[19:51] <scott-work> yes?
[19:51]  * scott-work likes great news
[19:51] <zequence> scott-work: Ok, it seems like no one ever suggested we add the new metas to Precise at all. It was just about the release upgrade process, then
[19:51] <ttoine> a open source editor, Bonita Soft, just hired me to be community manager
[19:51] <zequence> nice
[19:52] <ttoine> I start in Grenoble, the company home, february 18
[19:52] <ttoine> and I will be paied to be at most of Open Source fairs in the world
[19:52] <zequence> ttoine: That's super cool
[19:53] <ttoine> zequence, you can't imagine how much it is super cool for me ;-)
[19:53] <ttoine> and i am gonna live in the mountain
[19:53] <ttoine> I just hope internet connection are good when not in downtown
[19:54] <scott-work> ttoine: wow, that sounds like a dream job!  congratulations, my friend
[19:54] <scott-work> :)
[19:54] <ttoine> so maybe, at least at beginning you will see me less on irc
[19:54] <ttoine> scott-work, yes, a dream job ! ;-)
[19:54] <ttoine> thanks
[19:55] <ttoine> however, I will have to learn sql, etc. to make stats and reports about the community
[19:55] <zequence> ttoine: Not far from Switzerland. Maybe I'll come to visit you some time, if I'm close by :)
[19:55] <ttoine> zequence, you come in Switzerland often ?
[19:56] <zequence> ttoine: Not as often as I would like. I'm going there in August, for Debconf
[19:56] <zequence> My sister lives in Lausanne, so it's cheap for me to stay there
[19:57] <scott-work> zequence: i would think that adjusting precise would be the "best" thing to do, but i wonder if we would really be able to do that
[19:57] <ttoine> I like Switzerland: I lived in Zurich two years when I was a kid
[19:57] <zequence> scott-work: Why not, as a part of making a new LTS release
[19:58] <zequence> scott-work: I guess we need to check. That would also mean adding the new menu
[19:58] <zequence> ..or the items in it
[19:58] <zequence> Would make the LTS more up to date
[19:58] <zequence> So, 12.04.2 is just out, right?
[19:59] <zequence> Ah, no. It's still under development
[19:59] <zequence> So, we could basically try getting in the changes before then
[20:00] <scott-work> and that should fix the upgrade path problem as well, no?
[20:00] <zequence> scott-work: Only for those who installed the later ISO
[20:01] <zequence> We could of course add the upgrade options to update-manager as well
[20:01] <zequence> But, personally, I find that less important
[20:02] <zequence> The problem with the menu is probably that you need to delete user settings in order to get those changes in effect for users that already have Precise installed
[20:02] <zequence> The way I'd argue is that 12.04 is one version of Ubuntu Studio, and 12.04.2 is another.
[20:03] <zequence> You can't upgrade user settings anyway. Not even with Ubuntu
[20:04] <zequence> scott-work: What we can do is post news about changes, and alert users so that they know they can install something new
[20:05] <zequence> For those, who already installed Precise, that is
[20:09] <zequence> scott-work: Sorry. From what I see, upgrading will never include the new workfows unless you add it to update-manager. While a newer menu would be added, but it might not show (because of the menu being stored in the home folder, after creating the user)
[20:20] <zequence> scott-work: I'm getting a bit too tired for verbal communication. Going to doze off for today. 
[20:20] <zequence> len-1304: ^ Let us know what you think about the release upgrade problem
[21:06] <ttoine> zequence, sounds good
[22:59] <len-nb> scott-work, zequence , The main problem as I remember, is that graphics and photography were in one meta. They were divided into two and then the seeding did not take or work quite right.
[23:00] <len-nb> what this meant is that photography is only half there. The menu item is there but it is missing some of the photography items we had in 11.10
[23:03] <len-nb> Therefore, the first thing to do is to make sure the metas you wish to add are correct. Not just in the seeds for 12.04, but also in metas synaptic can see. Once that is corrected... installing them will actually do some good.
[23:04] <len-nb> Menus: The menu can be upgraded and the upgrade will show up in the menu of an original user after an upgrade.
[23:05] <len-nb> However, I would suggest not. The photography menu will already be ok. The publishing meta was totally new and so you would be SRUing something new to an old release. Do we want to do that?
[23:06] <len-nb> If we do include the publishing meta, the applications will be available to the user from the office menu anyway.
[23:08] <len-nb> zequence, as we talked about this past weekend, I am thinking of going over the menu again anyway, so that our menu will work with any DE such as KDE, or gnome. (fvwm anyone?)
[23:09] <len-nb> So that Studio would be more DE agnostic.
[23:35] <len-nb> The menu does not get pulled into the users directory, it is always read from the main config file. Even alacart is used after the system menu config file and only places the user has changed things will affect anything.
[23:36]  * len-nb is not happy with alacart.