[08:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1077965] qt4 applications over X forward run slower than with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1077965 (by Stefan Pielmeier)
[09:42] <soee> good morning
[09:43] <smartboyhw> good evening
[09:44] <smartboyhw> LOL not yet evening, 5:43 PM:P
[09:46] <Riddell> ah smartboyhw, do you know what's happened to calligra?
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what do you mean by"what happened"?
[09:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well what's the status, I've been away
[09:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, working on it later:P
[09:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great, it's due tomorrow so if you get stuck then do let us know
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel_ and others: ktorrent and libktorrent 1.3.1 released:)
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Wow the guy who synced ktorrent is dholbach!
[10:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh? where does it say that?
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, email:P
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Bug 1111452
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Look at the last comment:P
[10:34] <shadeslayer> awesome
[10:34] <Riddell> oh excellent, he always used to approve syncs but ran away whenever it was suggested he become an archive admin, looks like the simpler system is working nicely
[10:34] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:35] <smartboyhw> after I compiled 3.6.11-rt28 kernel I will upload the new calligra (not enough CPU and RAM here to test build)
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Should be within two hours
[10:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: simpler system?
[10:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: people with upload permissions can sync directly these days, used to be they'd have to approve it then me or another archive admin would have to do the sync
[10:39] <shadeslayer> ooh
[10:39] <smartboyhw> !
[10:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ec2s available on request for more CPUage
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need for ec2s:P
[10:40] <shadeslayer> but ec2's are cheap :P
[10:40] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:40] <smartboyhw> How cheap?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> less than a dollar per hour I think
[10:41] <Riddell> 8.5UScents an hour
[10:41] <shadeslayer> ^
[10:41] <shadeslayer> dirt cheap
[10:41] <Riddell> so much less than a dollar :)
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer do you know my age?:P I don't wanna pay:P
[10:41] <smartboyhw> My dad will kill me
[10:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: that's why Riddell is offering an EC2 instance
[10:41] <shadeslayer> you don't pay
[10:41] <Riddell> well it adds up if you leave them on for some time or use higher CPU types
[10:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh yeah
[10:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, how come I don't need to pay!?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> they have those super mega instances now
[10:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: kubuntu is here to help :)
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[10:42] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: because kubuntu will take care of it :)
[10:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, who's Kubuntu's sponsor now again?
[10:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: anyone who gives us money
[10:42] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:26] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[11:26] <smartboyhw> hey phoenix_firebrd 
[11:27] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: hi
[11:28] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i looked at the ktp-desktop-applets files changed by and the copyright file was not changed , does that mean that i did it correctly?
[11:29] <shadeslayer> heh, not exactly, still needs minor adjustments
[11:29] <smartboyhw> what did I miss?
[11:30] <smartboyhw> I pressed quit instead of leaving a channel:P
[11:30] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what is it?
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> if the copyright info in a file is something like this "Copyright 2010-2012", i should take the copyright year as 2010 or 2012 ? 
[11:50] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: you should take it as 2010-2012
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thats is machine readable?
[11:54] <Riddell> yes
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I have packaged tomboy-bloposter which is one of the packages in here http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html and i saw this news yesterday http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/ubuntu-one-announce-tomboy-note-sync-to-stop-working-late-february so what should i do now?
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> *tomboy-blogposter
[12:00] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: I don't know much about tomboy, it's a gnome app so I've never used it.  but that plugin seems unrelated to anything to do with ubuntu one
[12:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok
[12:14] <Riddell> anyone else have disappearing menu bars in 4.10?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh? (I am still in 4.9.98)
[12:17] <Riddell> so am I
[12:17] <Riddell> when I log in with a new user there's no menu bars
[12:18] <Riddell> I can turn them on but they disappear next time I log out/in
[12:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I just tested with 12.10 , kde 4.9.98 and the menu setting is persistent 
[12:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: with the same user
[12:38] <Riddell> so just me then :(
[12:38] <Riddell> thanks for testing phoenix_firebrd 
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Damn calligra debuild is taking too long
[12:40] <Riddell> it's not a small package is calligra
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, private message?
[12:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes
[12:53] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: i am working on updating the debian/copyright for tomahawk , so no duplicates
[12:56] <shadeslayer> opinions on bug 975327
[12:56] <shadeslayer> anyone want to check if we can split out the upnp bits?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> uh?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:58] <shadeslayer> well ... you'll have to build with upnp support and then check if there are separate .so's generated
[12:58] <shadeslayer> and then make sure that there's no other code that depends on upnp
[12:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sounds like a job for one of our ace new ninjas
[12:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hey phoenix_firebrd
[13:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: me?
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Wait till I get my calligra debuild done. "Ace new ninjas" = phoenix_firebrd :P
[13:01] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: you want to do it?
[13:01] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, no. My debuild is still running. I want calligra to finish by today
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> I wonder why people are not asking me directly
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm no it's built into the solid library
[13:02] <shadeslayer> bah
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: care to comment on the bug and close it?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> or
[13:02] <shadeslayer> maybe we can just move solid to universe?
[13:03] <Riddell> hum, that sounds like it would cause lots of problems
[13:03] <shadeslayer> oh?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> but didn't we do something like that before?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how was FOSDEM
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fosdem is a sore point for me
[13:05] <shadeslayer> oh ... uhm .. ok
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think we've ever split out a major part of kdelibs
[13:06] <shadeslayer> true ...
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why is FOSDEM sore? (Sorry for asking)
[13:09] <Riddell> I got stuck in london, which is big and smelly
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Why would they hold it at London? It would be better off at California! (LOL)
[13:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, question: Do I have to do the calligra-l10n packages too?
[13:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: someone does yes, they're simple but faffy
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, difficult to do isn't it? Since you had to unpack each -l10n, put it into the branch and such
[13:17] <shadeslayer> automate it!
[13:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, good suggestion:P
[13:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer++
[13:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not difficult but it does require working out where to move directories to
[13:18] <yofel_> errr, calligra-l10n is pretty much automated already
[13:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh is it?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> well then ... use them scripts!
[13:18]  * smartboyhw wonders where IS the script:P
[13:18] <yofel> smartboyhw: download all tars, then use the script inside the packaging to generate the multi-source package
[13:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, thx
[13:20] <yofel> smartboyhw: it's the thing called upstream2orig
[13:20] <smartboyhw> ok. Downloading the tars
[13:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug 682404 for hupnp MIR, it might be do-able
[13:22] <Riddell> needs someone to follow up
[13:25] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: fancy reading that MIR and seeing how it could be followed through?
[13:25] <Riddell> hi vassie 
[13:25] <vassie> Riddell: hello, got your mail
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: MIR?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:25] <vassie> Riddell: just replied, i'll fix my package as soon as i can, is the one in backports ok?
[13:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, I put the .tar.bz2 translation files in the packaging branch right?
[13:27] <Riddell> vassie: yes that's fine, there's no review of copyright files in PPAs
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: i saw some comments in the bug report , it seems there is some problem with the symbols? should i try rebuilding?
[13:27] <Riddell> but for the ubuntu archive proper there is
[13:27] <vassie> Riddell: cool, i'll fix it when i get back from holiday
[13:28] <Riddell> vassie: maybe another packager will have fixed it for you before then :)
[13:28] <vassie> Riddell: fingers crossed, will need your help (again) if that's ok to fix it
[13:30] <Riddell> vassie: it's a pretty trivial fix
[13:31] <vassie> Riddell: i hope some one can help, not back for a few weeks, my correct email is in there
[13:31] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: here's an easier job ^^
[13:33] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: where is the package and how can i help you
[13:34] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: dget http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cantata_0.9.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:34] <vassie> Riddell & phoenix_firebird thank you
[13:35] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: needs these fixed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2013-February/045990.html
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: yw
[13:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: i will do it. When do you need it?
[13:36] <vassie> Riddell: when a new version is released, i assume packaging it should be easier now i have an older version?
[13:36] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: before vassie gets back from holiday :)
[13:36] <Riddell> vassie: yep
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I am working on tomahawk's copyright now, shall i do it after finishing that?
[13:38] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: sounds like a plan
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what has to be changed in the ktp-desktop-applets copyright file? If you answer me now i can avoid those mistakes in the following copyright files of 2 packages, else more work for me
[13:41] <vassie> you've got till the 25th :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: enjoy your holidays
[13:42] <vassie> thank you both for sorting that out
[13:42] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: Files: *
[13:42] <shadeslayer>        contact/src/contact-delegate.*
[13:42] <shadeslayer>        contact/src/abstract-contact-delegate.*
[13:42] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: thank you
[13:42] <shadeslayer> you can drop the contact/* stuff
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from declarative-plasmoids..
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> checking
[13:42] <Riddell> W: declarative-plasmoids: desktop-command-not-in-package usr/share/applications/kde4/active-microblog.desktop export
[13:42] <shadeslayer> so basically, * covers all files under LGPL-2.1+
[13:42] <Riddell> W: declarative-plasmoids: desktop-entry-lacks-main-category usr/share/applications/kde4/active-microblog.desktop
[13:43] <shadeslayer> what
[13:43] <shadeslayer> O_O
[13:43]  * shadeslayer checks
[13:43] <Riddell> oh export is just bash
[13:43] <Riddell> ..I guess that'll work
[13:43] <yofel> smartboyhw: what packaging branch?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:44] <shadeslayer> I thought the apckage was lintian clean
[13:44] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: yeah, so, you can drop the file specific stuff
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i will these things now
[13:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we also get PA3 into backports?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> now ... someone also requested me to backport kraft
[13:45] <shadeslayer> hmm ... I forget the IRC nick
[13:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we can do whatever we like but is it worth the effort?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, the akash people would like to have it
[13:46] <shadeslayer> btw
[13:46] <shadeslayer> for declarative-plasmoids on Raring I have : Now running lintian...
[13:46] <shadeslayer> W: declarative-plasmoids source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.3 (current is 3.9.4)
[13:46] <shadeslayer> did you run with -pedantic ? :P
[13:47] <shadeslayer> mm
[13:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: you have a N7 right
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you check how good it runs raring + PA3 ? :D
[13:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no I ran it on the .deb
[13:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who are the akash people?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the one email I CC'd you on
[13:49] <shadeslayer> fairly recently
[13:51] <Riddell> ah I see it, I'm yet to get to e-mail today
[13:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: later maybe, I'm drowning in work today
[13:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:52] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: "* covers all files under LGPL-2.1+" . recursively?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[13:53] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: why didn't you say that earlier?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> I thought it was implicit
[13:54] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok does this apply to all the licenses?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> all licenses?
[13:54] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: lgp, gp, bsd?
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: lgp, gpl, bsd?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> errr .. I don't you've fully understood dep 5
[13:55] <shadeslayer> *I don't think
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: you are confusing me
[13:55] <shadeslayer> again, read the dep 5 doc
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I had posted and confirmed the copyright text 2 times with you earlier
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[13:57] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: possibly I missed that?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i am going to check the backlogs
[13:58] <shadeslayer> errr ... okay?
[14:02] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: if you need anything for the cantata package, just let me know, going to sign off of a bit now
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/665228/
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats what you told me
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Damn the build failed
[14:08] <smartboyhw> dh_install --list-missing
[14:08] <smartboyhw> cp: cannot stat ‘debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/karbon.png’: No such file or directory
[14:08] <smartboyhw> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/karbon.png debian/karbon//usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/ returned exit code 1
[14:10] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: that was just an example 
[14:10] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: files that got removed?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, should be. Where to fix?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> look at the relevant install file
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats doesnot compile
[14:12] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: grep karbon.png debian/*.install
[14:12] <shadeslayer> I have to go for a bit
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ciao
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: master teach me kungfu
[14:13] <yofel> cannot do today, sorry
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: got some time now?
[14:14] <yofel> no, and won't have any today
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you angry?
[14:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you are a good teacher and i have some doubts, If you find sometime ping me or mail me, until then i will be doing my work
[14:17] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: what do you need to know?
[14:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: how do you feel now?
[14:18] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: ca va :)
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: i assume that you mean you are fine. I have doubts about the copyright file. I read the documents people refer to and they are incomplete
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Found it!
[14:21] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: point to the package and I can comment
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/ktp-desktop-applets-ubuntu/revision/1#debian/copyright
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: this what shadeslayer asked me to do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/ktp-desktop-applets-ubuntu/revision/1#debian/copyright
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: oops
[14:23] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not angry, but I'm at work and have so much to do that I simply can't spare half an hour for IRC today. Sorry
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: this what shadeslayer asked me to do http://paste.kde.org/665228/
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its ok
[14:25] <smartboyhw> yofel:
[14:25] <smartboyhw> - ERROR: debian/control is missing language packages: calligra-l10n-calgra calligra-l10n-.bzr
[14:25] <smartboyhw> How to delete .bzr in calligra-l10n, when I'm using UDD?
[14:26] <yofel> you don't - fix is not to use UDD, that package isn't meant to be used with UDD
[14:26] <yofel> but if a new language was added/removed you'll have to adjust the control file. The package entries all look the same anyway
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: shadeslayer now says that "Files: *" means all files(recursively) for a particular license type ex. GPL-3+, but where is the documentation for that? all  i know is that ls* list all the files in the dir , but not recursively .
[14:33] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: hmm looks ok to me
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: does "Files:  *" means all files recursively or just all files in the path?
[14:35] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: all file recursively is my understanding
[14:36] <shadeslayer> okay, I think I'm not clearly explaining the Files field
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: why is it now specified in the manual?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> as I understood it : Files: * -> major license of src
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> oh
[14:37] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: oh I see lines 7, 8, 9 are incorrect then
[14:37] <shadeslayer> then Files: foo/* or foo.* -> license exceptions
[14:37] <shadeslayer> that's what I was trying to explain
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I agree
[14:38] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: so you have listed LGPL as being * all files and GPL as being an exception for some
[14:38] <Riddell> it's mixed licencing so you could argue either way
[14:38] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i didn't know that , it was not specified in the documents
[14:38] <Riddell> but GPL takes precidence and that's what they have in their COPYING file
[14:38] <Riddell> so I'd have the first block as Files: * for GPL then a block of Files: which names the files under LGPL
[14:39] <Riddell> also tell upstream to put a COPYING.LIB file with the LGPL full text in it
[14:39] <shadeslayer> heh, good point ^
[14:40] <phoenix_firebrd> this is a set theory, all the files are lgpl but somefiles are gpl, right?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know nothing about the old sponsorship procedure (non-UDD) so can you teach me the procedures?
[14:41] <phoenix_firebrd> this is a set theory, all the files are lgpl except somefiles are gpl, right?
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ^
[14:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you run  debuild -S  and get source package files .dsc .debian.tar.gz and .orig.tar.gz and you pass those to the sponsor who checks and uploads them
[14:42] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: no, usually licensing is consistent
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how do I "pass"?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> for eg. I don't think the KDE SC has mixed licensing in each of its components, though I could be wrong
[14:43] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: you can go either way but it's probably better to say all are GPL with some are LGPL
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer:  so if i remove contact/src/contact-delegate.* ,  contact/src/abstract-contact-delegate.* it implies that they are lgpl unless i define its not . right?
[14:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: put them on a web server? upload to a PPA? e-mail attachments?  IRC DCC messaging? telepathy tubes?
[14:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh or attached on a bug on launchpad
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bug then
[14:45] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[14:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: if Files: * specifies the major license, theb why is the 5 line in here necessary? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/ktp-desktop-applets-ubuntu/revision/1#debian/copyright
[14:47] <shadeslayer> isn't that field deprecated
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is it not necessary to list file specific copyright owner?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: check the example of http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[14:47] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: no, unless that file has a different license than the rest of the sources
[14:47] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: it's not, it's optional
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so that field has to be removed?
[14:48] <Riddell> "The Copyright and License fields in the header paragraph may complement but do not replace the Files paragraphs."
[14:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> ok i will correct it and paste it here
[14:50] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: that's fine
[14:50] <shadeslayer> I'll fix it
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: no no
[14:50] <shadeslayer> uhm, seriously, it's fine :)
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: you have to check if i understood correctly
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Bug 1116321 is it OK?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> heh okay :)
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm aren't there 50 other tars to go with it?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to upload ALL of them!?!!/
[14:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: or tell me how to easily get them
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok I will upload
[14:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: probably better to tell me how to easily get them
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uploading already:P
[14:55] <smartboyhw> In the bug:P
[14:55] <Riddell> simond/simond.db: SQLite 3.x database
[14:55] <Riddell> hmm, anyone know if that's preferred modifyable form?
[14:55] <Riddell> how do you modify a .db file?
[14:56] <ScottK> With SQL?
[14:56] <Riddell> is there a command to access it?
[14:57] <ScottK> I suspect it probably is the preferred form, but there are probably helper scripts or something that would need to be included to make the build system complete (similar to needing to include messages.sh)
[14:57] <ScottK> I don't know enough about SQLite to say, but I'd imagine so.
[14:58]  * ScottK looks at Sput.  He'll know.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> That's why I HATE not using UDD:P
[15:01] <smartboyhw> https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/calligra/2.6.0-0ubuntu1/+merge/146644
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^ first:P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> btw, where can one find extensive documentation for the various substvars that we put in debian/control
[15:02] <shadeslayer> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-substvars is fairly under documented
[15:03] <shadeslayer> bah
[15:03] <shadeslayer> somehow I missed the line about deb-substvars
[15:03] <tsimpson> Riddell: sqlite3
[15:03] <tsimpson> then write a bunch of SQL
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Bug 1116321 complete with attachments:P
[15:14] <shadeslayer> grrr
[15:14] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, grrr ?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> you mean the bug?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:14] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, grrr of what then
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I cannot parse binary:Version in my head
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I knew what it did, but suddenly I don't
[15:15] <shadeslayer> and deb-substvars has no explicit info
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I know what source:Version does
[15:16] <shadeslayer> but I don't remember what binary:Version does :(
[15:16]  * shadeslayer looks at build logs
[15:31] <Riddell> oxygen fonts in the archive
[15:31] <Riddell> should I put them on the CD?
[15:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: groovy, uploading
[15:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: are you doing the actual calligra package too?
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I am.
[15:42] <smartboyhw> https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/calligra/2.6.0-0ubuntu1/+merge/146644
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[15:46] <Riddell> ah, UDD, I love a 5000 line diff
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[15:47]  * smartboyhw has completely crashed the uploading systems today:P
[15:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ping me tmr if there is any prob. Bye guys!
[16:20] <Quintasan> \o
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hey Quintasan
[16:54] <davmor2> Riddell: only 5000 many you make it sound like it is a lot ;)
[17:46] <apol> do we have an ETA for the kde 4.10 packages? (a blogger is asking me xD)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> huh?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> apol: we already have sekrit packages
[17:49] <shadeslayer> will be uploaded once 4.10 is out
[17:49] <shadeslayer> we can't upload before that
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apol: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.0_raring.html , http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.0_precise.html , http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.0_quantal.html
[17:50] <Riddell> testers welcome :)
[17:51] <yofel> I need another DNS that doesn't match my nick for that -.-
[17:51] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:51] <Riddell> oh but it's our way of recognising your greatness
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: you could host those pages on the buyvm VPS you bought :P
[17:52] <yofel> well, yeah, but the dns for that isn't much better :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer> and maybe we could get get a status.kubuntu.org sub domain
[17:52] <shadeslayer> and point it to said VPS
[17:53] <yofel> next time they have some to sell someone should buy one for the team. It would be handy for stuff like this
[17:53] <shadeslayer> true
[17:53] <shadeslayer> someone keep a check on the stock!
[17:54] <shadeslayer> they have the 256 MB ones
[17:54] <shadeslayer> but the 128 MB ones are out of stock
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://doesbuyvmhavestock.com/
[17:55] <shadeslayer> real cheap VPS that you can use to do initial upload and host pages and what not
[17:55] <yofel> yeah, but those are considerably more expensive (well, at least percentage wise)
[17:55] <Riddell> what's the cost?
[17:56] <yofel> Riddell: http://buyvm.net/
[17:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 15 USD for a year
[17:56] <shadeslayer> the openvz ones
[17:56] <shadeslayer> that's what me and yofel have
[17:57] <apol> awesome shadeslayer
[17:57] <Riddell> 36UDS says for 256MB says https://my.frantech.ca/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0
[17:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 0.o
[17:57] <Riddell> still good value
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: doesn't bandwidth cost extra?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there's no stock at the moment
[17:58] <shadeslayer> for the 128 MB VPS
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does that mean?
[17:58] <Riddell> oh right
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no available machines :)
[17:58] <Riddell> that's why I was looking at 256MB
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ahh
[17:58] <shadeslayer> right
[17:58] <shadeslayer> that one is 3.50 USD per month
[17:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so what would we use it for?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well, hosting KDE status pages
[17:59] <shadeslayer> initial KDE uploads
[17:59] <Riddell> and an owncloud shared music server?
[17:59] <Riddell> that would clinch it for me
[18:00] <shadeslayer> errr
[18:00] <shadeslayer> kind of difficuly
[18:00] <shadeslayer> *difficult
[18:00] <Riddell> why?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> since it only has 256 MB's of memory
[18:00] <shadeslayer> would OOM pretty soo
[18:00] <shadeslayer> *soon
[18:00] <Riddell> owncloud is just a web server
[18:01] <Riddell> I don't think it would use much memory
[18:01] <shadeslayer> it still needs memory :P
[18:01] <shadeslayer> well
[18:01] <shadeslayer> try it out in a VM?
[18:01] <Riddell> anyway I'm only joking
[18:01] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[18:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd be +1, if you get another couple of council members to agree to get it with kubuntu funds I'll buy one
[18:06] <shadeslayer> btw
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what do you think of enabling sender colors for Quassel?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> it's in Quassel Settings > Chat View > tick Sender Colors
[18:07] <Riddell> IRC colours? sounds evil?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> really? :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Its the one thing I really wanted from quassel
[18:08] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:08] <shadeslayer> from konversation
[18:08] <shadeslayer> and I didn't know there was a setting for it
[18:08] <shadeslayer> hey ho
[18:08] <Riddell> everyone hates those colours, it's only used by spammers to draw silly picures
[18:08] <genii-around> It's actually good. Except sometimes when two different people with same-length nick randomly get same colour and confuses
[18:09] <Riddell_> one two one two
[18:10] <Riddell_> no difference
[18:10] <shadeslayer> that's because your own color is black
[18:10] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> !botsnack
[18:10] <Riddell_> ooh you're all ready
[18:10] <Riddell_> gosh ubottu is pink
[18:10] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:11] <Riddell_> ooh you're all red
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yeah, so, IMHO this should be enabled by default :)
[18:11] <Riddell_> is there a good reason why upstream haven't done so?
[18:11] <Riddell_> Sput?
[18:12] <shadeslayer> no idea, but I've poked him as to why this isn't default
[18:14] <Riddell> Darkwing, ScottK, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, jussi: shadeslayer wants to know if you think buying a VM for kubuntu use would be a good idea
[18:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well no objection from me on quassel
[18:15] <shadeslayer> a very underpowered VM that we can use for hosting status pages and doing initial uploads etc
[18:16] <jussi> No. we should approach kubuntu "friends" about having something donated. I need to check with tsimpson, but we may even have space on ubottu.com's VM.
[18:16] <shadeslayer> oh, awesomer
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news on that new feature tour?
[18:17] <Riddell> um, I don't know, was someone even doing it?
[18:17] <jussi> Thanks to rackspace we have that lovely VM
[18:17] <shadeslayer> idk either
[18:17] <shadeslayer> but I'd like to have Muon added there
[18:17] <jussi> (hear that, if you need to buy a VM, rackspace... ;) )
[18:17] <Riddell> I know lots of people have suggested it but I don't know if anyone has started on it
[18:17] <shadeslayer> jussi: but buyvm is ultra cheap :P
[18:17] <shadeslayer> 15 USD for a year
[18:17] <shadeslayer> you can't beat that
[18:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: lets see about the sharing of the ubottu vm
[18:18] <jussi> ;)
[18:18] <jussi> free ;)
[18:18] <Riddell> it is pretty close to pocket money
[18:18] <shadeslayer> yeah ;)
[18:19] <jussi> Riddell: mind, you could have mentioned that earlier... ie. when you asked
[18:21] <Riddell> I didn't ask, shadeslayer did!
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yep 
[18:27] <shadeslayer> anywho, off to sleep since my ISO build is almost done
[18:27] <shadeslayer> nighters :)
[19:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't recall use having really needed one where people didn't have stuff available.  Can status pages go on people.ubuntu.com?
[19:28] <ScottK> Also we could probably use ubuntuwire if needed.
[19:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not looking good for your vote, you'll never be a politician
[20:27] <Quintasan> Is it just me or we could save some trouble by throwing rekonq off and shipping firefox by default?
[21:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Will it fit?
[21:03] <ScottK> If so, yes.
[21:07] <jussi> Quintasan: you would make lots of friend fast...
[21:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: So the main problem is not lack of KDE integration but space?
[21:09] <Quintasan> jussi: well, I feel like I read crapton of mails, each in different tone and the issue could be summed up as "put firefox by default, we don't really like rekonq"
[21:12] <jussi> Are the integration bits in the blue whatevr ppa not portable/do able for us? 
[21:15] <ScottK> Quintasan: That's my opinion.
[21:15] <ScottK> Other people think the integration is essential.
[21:15] <ScottK> jussi: They aren't.
[21:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well that opinion of yours is essentialy the only factor limiting us I believe
[21:16] <ScottK> Which?
[21:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'd rather have security and stability than intergration
[21:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: lack of space
[21:16] <ScottK> Lack of space isn't an opinon.  Someone needs to figure out how much it would take and see if it's reasonable.
[21:17] <ScottK> If Blue Systems can work a deal to support the KDE patches in the Ubuntu Firefox packages, then I'm all for them.
[21:39] <Sput> Riddell: the main reason is that the sender colors are stored in a stylesheet, which needs to be in user's config dir, and which gets created the first time the user saves that setting in the config dialog
[21:39] <Sput> an alternative would be creating that stylesheet first time the user starts the client, of course
[21:40] <Sput> but for some reason I don't remember that was awkward to implement :)
[21:48] <Sput> , shadeslayer
[22:30] <bolo> i want to compile kde for the frist time and i need libiodbc (libiodbc2-dev) to compile soprano properly.  now apt-get tells me i need to remove all kde packages and so to install that which seems really strange.  am i missing something?  is this the right place to ask anyway?
[22:32] <yofel> bolo: we use unixodbc instead, give me a minute to look up what you need
[22:32] <yofel> bolo: you need libvirtodbc0, unixodbc-dev and this patch to build soprano: :q
[22:33] <yofel> bolo: http://paste.kde.org/665522
[22:35] <bolo> yofel: thanks.  
[22:49] <bolo> it works. :)
[22:54] <Riddell> I wonder how we can make that obvious in the future
[22:56] <BarkingFish> evening guys :) Anyone know if Joseph Salisbury comes onto IRC at all please? 
[22:57] <BarkingFish> He's helping me smash the ar5523 bug on the 3.8 kernel series right now - I just wanted to catch him and have a chat concerning the bug since I don't quite think I'm getting through.
[22:58] <BarkingFish> First time ar5523 appears as a module is 3.8.0-2 (working, anyhow) - he's got me testing 3.8.0-0 release candidates - the module wasn't even in existence in them :)
[22:59] <yofel> BarkingFish: he's jsalisbury in #ubuntu-kernel
[22:59] <bolo> Riddell: i think distro specific stuff is documentet at  http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Distributions  
[22:59] <BarkingFish> aha :) Thanks yofel 
[23:00] <bolo> at least thats where i looked
[23:16] <BarkingFish> hm.  Seems he might not be around atm :(  I thought I might get the chance to communicate with him "in person", so to speak
[23:16] <BarkingFish> damn