[03:24] <robru> whoa, trippy. just signed in, and unity won't render my proper wallpaper, instead it's showing a freeze-frame from lightdm from just before I logged in. so it looks like lightdm is there, but unity is on top of it, and unity is functioning...
[03:25] <robru> and changing the wallpaper doesn't fix it
[03:26] <TheMuso> robru: I saw something to do with gds and disablign the background plugin... I wonder whether that has something to do with it...
[03:26] <TheMuso> gsd even
[03:26] <robru> TheMuso, does that mean I'm in a screwy intermediate state, or is this just the new default behavior for raring? ;-)
[03:26] <sarnold> robru: hrm, reminds me of this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1115801
[03:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1037518 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1115801 Xorg crashed with SIGABRT - FatalError (f=f@entry=0x7f41e2f9a9e2 "no screens found")" [High,Triaged]
[03:28] <sarnold> robru: (just based on description.. don't take my word for it :)
[03:28] <robru> sarnold, that doesn't sound too similar... nothing is crashing... unity is operating as expected. there just is no wallpaper, and it's showing a frozen lightdm as the wallpaper instead
[03:29] <RAOF> robru: That sounds like nothing thinks its in charge of drawing the wallpaper, so you've just got the last image that was in the root window.
[03:30] <robru> RAOF, that sounds like an accurate description
[03:30] <robru> it literally is the last thing that lightdm drew, and it's just frozen there. notification bubbles and all
[03:30] <sarnold> robru: ah, no crashes there...
[03:31] <robru> well, I just installed a bunch of updates, I guess I'll restart and see if it fixes itself
[03:33] <robru> nope, happened again ;-)
[03:34] <RAOF> Might be a local configuration issue? I updated this morning, and my desktop looks fine.
[03:34] <robru> RAOF, any thoughts on what configuration file specifically I should look at reverting?
[03:37] <robru> RAOF, meh, running 'debsums -ac' to tell me what config files have even changed ;-)
[03:37] <RAOF> robru: It'd probably be in one of: dconf settings for gnome-settings-daemon, or dconf settings for unity. Neither of which will be picked up by debsums, because user config :)
[03:39] <robru> bah!
[03:40] <robru> debsums only caught NetworkManager.conf
[03:40] <robru> how odd
[03:41] <robru> hmmm, I pressed the PrintScreen button and it made the flashy/noisy animation of taking a picture, but I can't find it anywhere...
[03:43] <robru> nm, got it
[03:45] <robru> RAOF, TheMuso sarnold : http://ubuntuone.com/26UHEIa8VhR9Tpwz3HaBo6 so there's that
[03:45] <robru> (dual screen, one atop the other)
[03:46] <robru> so normally when I log in, lightdm mirrors onto both screens, then I log in, and now it takes the frozen image of lightdm, and splits it across both screens
[03:50] <robru> even weirder... went into dconf, under /org/gnome/desktop/background, "draw-background" was checked, unchecked it, nothing happened, then I checked "show-desktop-icons" and then my wallpaper appeared.
[03:51] <robru> yes, it seems unity only has the ability to draw the wallpaper if show-desktop-icons is enabled.
[03:51] <robru> am I the only person with show-desktop-icons disabled? I thought it was standard to disable those...
[03:51] <robru> RAOF, TheMuso sarnold ^
[03:52] <robru> if I disable show-desktop-icons, it just stays at whatever image was last chosen, and I lose the ability to change what is there
[03:53] <sarnold> robru: ha! nice find.
[03:53] <robru> I guess I should report a bug
[03:53] <TheMuso> robru: Show desktop icons is nautilus...
[03:53] <sarnold> I didn't know one could put icons on the desktop. so. that's news to me. :)
[03:53] <TheMuso> As far as I know, nautilus can draw the background, and so can gsd... It was added to gsd for gnome shell use afaik.
[03:54] <robru> TheMuso, yes, I know historically nautilus was responsible for that, but dconf says the default value for "show-desktop-icons" is true
[03:55] <TheMuso> Right...
[03:55] <TheMuso> robru: I have no idea, you will have to query seb128 and/or didrocks when they are online...
[06:22] <pitti> Good morning
[06:40] <BigWhale> Good morning.
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <RAOF> Urgh. g-ir-scanner, how do I get you to link all the needed libraries?
[07:24] <didrocks> RAOF: I'm not sure "ask kindly" will help getting what you desire though ;)
[07:25] <didrocks> it's quite hermetic to this kind of politeness
[07:34] <jibel> Good morning
[07:36] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[07:37] <jibel> didrocks, salut, ça va et toi, comment était la neige ?
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: ça va bien! il a neigé une nuit, donc vraiment toute fraiche (aucune piste dammée), c'était sympa. Par contre, le surlendemain, rapeuse comme pas possible et pas de visibilité
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: donc temps moyen, mais ça fait une bonne coupure tout de même :)
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: la semaine s'est bien passée?
[07:41] <jibel> didrocks, ça a été, comme d'hab.
[07:45] <jibel> didrocks, on autolanding side, you probably talked to the unity team already, between FTBFS, autopilot failures, provisioning and system failures/crashes and regressions in the testsuite not much have been released last week.
[07:47] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, I saw that. And today, it's system failure/crashes again :/
[07:47] <didrocks> jibel: fixed on Monday half-migration that was done by upstream failing most of tests, so at least, we have a snapshot from yesterday
[08:38] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:44] <robru> TheMuso, you had said something about the background plugin getting disabled? Seems that's what I saw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1115886
[08:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1115886 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Can't change wallpaper unless /org/gnome/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons is true." [Low,Invalid]
[08:44] <robru> hey seb128 !
[08:45] <seb128> robru, oya! how are you?
[08:45] <robru> seb128, not bad... chasing down a screwy bug for a few hours ;-)
[08:45] <robru> you?
[08:46] <seb128> robru, I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:47] <robru> seb128, oh, I see now that  you saw my bug. I replied to a stale page and didn't see your reply until after I wrote mine ;-)
[08:48] <seb128> robru, ok, does my reply makes sense to you?
[08:48] <robru> seb128, yep, definitely makes sense, although I'm a little bit surprised that nautilus was chosen as the default. I thought we hated nautilus ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> robru, well, nautilus is the default for ever, we didn't change anything... ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> robru, we want icons on the desktops, g-s-d doesn't provide that
[08:49] <robru> seb128, oh, we WANT icons on the desktop? I've had those disabled for years... so ugly ;-)
[08:50] <seb128> yeah, lots of users use the desktop as their personal space
[08:50] <seb128> they put downloaded files, images, documents they use often, etc there
[08:50] <seb128> I confirmed with design a few weeks ago, they said users are still pretty much attached to that space and the way they use it
[08:51] <robru> heathens ;-)
[08:51] <seb128> lol
[08:51] <seb128> I've to admit I tend to use the desktop as a transit place
[08:51] <seb128> like I put patches I download and stuff I want to read there
[08:52] <seb128> and move them to their proper place once I've processed them
[08:52] <robru> seb128, nope, can't stand files on my desktop. too hard to get at them when there are tons of windows in the way, and impossible to stop it being a mess. plus is obscures my pretty wallpaper ;-)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> me too, but i wouldn't object too much if we lost it ;)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> jo's desktop is a mess, she literally stores absolutely everything on it
[08:52] <seb128> robru, different people, different workflows ;-)
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> it's hideous ;)
[08:52] <robru> seb128, I have a "downloads" folder that I just chuck stuff in, and then I constantly work to sort those files (either delete them when I'm done, or file them into some kind of meaningful heirarchy)
[08:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[08:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good
[08:53] <seb128> robru, desktop is easy to get to, we have a show-desktop in our alt-tab switcher :p
[08:53] <robru> seb128, yeah, I disabled that too. why would I want to show my desktop when theres' nothing there? ;-)
[08:54] <seb128> robru, you sir won the right to re-enable the gsd background plugin! ;-)
[08:54] <robru> seb128, but nah, gsd plugin doesn't do a nice fade when changing wallpapers! So I'll stick with show-desktop-icons true, but then configure nautilus not to actually put any icons there at all ;-)
[08:55] <seb128> we don't display any icon on the desktop by default
[08:55] <seb128> so if you don't store anything in ~/Desktop you are good ;-)
[08:55] <robru> seb128, exactly. no ugly icons, smooth wallpaper fades... seems like a win ;-)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel, you around?
[09:04] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel. what do i need to do to get jenkins to pick up my junit test results? :)
[09:09] <tkamppeter_> seb128, all seven g-c-c printing issues I have reported to GNOME now, and they all got auto-assigned to the GNOME printing maintainer Marek Kasik at Red Hat.
[09:09] <jibel> chrisccoulson, You need to tell me where are the result files and I can tell jenkins to pick them :)
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, cool. that's easy enough :)
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll update the packaging once i've had some coffee and tell you where they are
[09:12] <jibel> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:13] <seb128> tkamppeter_, hey, I saw, thanks a lot for looking at what is missing in the GNOME tool and filing those bugs!
[10:56] <seb128> shrugh, another day, another spamming rounds from Laney-haskell :p
[10:58] <Laney> only 250ish more to go ...
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> meh, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1529
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> i guess i'll have to get used to the firefox button for a bit instead ;)
[12:43] <didrocks> Laney: published episod 5 of the serie of blog post on daily release, this should answer the questions you had (in addition to part 3 and 4 which answered some of them)
[12:43] <Laney> yay
[12:44] <didrocks> and we have a full documentation on the wiki as well! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease
[12:44] <didrocks> (slightely modified to have a less personal tone)
[12:45] <Laney> excellent, thank you!
[12:45] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:33] <tkamppeter> Anyone around who knows about PolicyKit authentication?
[13:37] <tkamppeter> I have two Intel-based Raring machines, a VM on my PC and my laptop. On both I have tested the printer driver auto-download facility of system-config-printer. The VM does it all perfectly and I get the driver package installed. On the laptop all works until the point where a window should pop up to ask for the password to do the root action of installing a package. This window does not show up and the package install process gets skip
[13:37] <tkamppeter> ped and the printer setup continued without the driver.
[13:38] <tkamppeter> Both machines are up-to-date, especially have the current s-c-p installed.
[13:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[13:49] <desrt> attente: awake?
[13:49] <attente> yep
[13:49] <desrt> larsu still sleeping? :)
[13:50] <attente> he's been up for a while now
[13:51] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[13:52] <pitti> hey desrt, how's you?
[13:52] <desrt> pitti: pretty bad
[13:52] <pitti> desrt: don't say FOSDEflu?
[13:52] <desrt> maybe
[13:52] <desrt> i wanted to die yesterday due to the mix of sickness and extreme tiredness
[13:52] <pitti> nooo, don't!
I forbidded it!
[13:52] <desrt> due to almost no sleep the night before the flight plus the typical long-day experience travelling east to west
[13:53] <pitti> desrt: IRC won't help, my friend.. hot bath and sleep might?
[13:53] <pitti> get well soon!
[13:54] <desrt> i did got bath and sleep already
[13:54] <desrt> i'm a bit better this morning
[13:54] <desrt> merely sick -- not wanting to die
[13:56] <pitti> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34388024.jpg
[13:57] <desrt> aw
[13:57] <desrt> i'll try to get better soon in the name of your mental state and therefore productivity, then :)
[13:58] <pitti> haha
[13:58] <pitti> I knew it, kittens are never easy to argue against
[14:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you help me with my PolicyKit problem?
[14:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: I hope, what's the problem?
[14:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, if you scroll back to 14:33 you see it.
[14:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: do you know the particular privilege it's asking for? I. e. the action ID in the .policy file
[14:06] <geser> desrt: be happy pitti didn't link you http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/019/8/4/soft_kitty_by_petit_j-d37l11c.jpg :)
[14:07] <pitti> geser: nah, I can't do that half as good as Penny :)
[14:07] <desrt> tiffany already sang soft kitty to me last night
[14:07] <desrt> but thanks :)
[14:08]  * geser wonders if there a mp3 of it somewhere on the internet
[14:09] <desrt> interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warm_Kitty
[14:09] <desrt> the song exists before, but the show mixes up the order of the words
[14:10] <pitti> geser: from BBT? I'm sure there is
[14:10] <desrt> or like youtube...
[14:12] <geser> pitti: yes, so you don't to have to sing yourself
[14:13]  * didrocks grumbles against his wifi
[14:16] <ogra> use your nexus7, the wifi is stable :P
[14:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: trouble figuring out the polkit action, or doing something else?
[14:21] <didrocks> ogra: not sure why my x220 sucks that much for wifi
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> jibel, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1532
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm saving the results in debian/tests/_results/ in the source tree. is that ok?
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> the files are: xpcshell-tests.xml, xpcshell-package-tests.xml, jstestbrowser.xml, reftest.xml, crashtest.xml, mochitest-browser-chrome.xml, mochitest-plain.xml, mochitest-chrome.xml, mochitest-a11y.xml and mochitest-ipcplugins.xml
[14:28] <tjaalton> didrocks: hey, which chip do you have on it? my t420s is pretty bad as well
[14:30] <didrocks> tjaalton: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (2x2 AGN)
[14:30] <tjaalton> didrocks: same
[14:30] <didrocks> loosing connexion, slow reception
[14:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: I'm wondering if it's bug #937118
[14:31] <tjaalton> yeah connection drops, annoying with ssh
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 937118 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0084 Wireless stops passing packets" [High,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937118
[14:31] <didrocks> right
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> nice, 809388 tests! (i can count them properly now i've got machine readable output) :)
[14:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: mind coming on #ubuntu-kernel?
[14:32] <tjaalton> didrocks: yep, always there ;)
[14:33] <didrocks> :)
[14:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, problem is that the password dialog does not appear. The window for the package installation appears but not the one for the password.
[14:35] <jibel> chrisccoulson, sounds good, i'll have a look
[14:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, I also do not know in which log files I have to llok.
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: yeah, that's what I want to debug
[14:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: I don't see a printing related policy file in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
[14:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: so is that just calling aptdaemon to install a package, or a system-config-printer-service?
[14:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: you can also look up the action name that it requests when you click on "details" in the password dialog on the machine where that works
[14:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, s-c-p triggers a package installation via PackageKit, through the command line helper program /usr/bin/install-printerdriver, the package installation seems to trigger the PolicyKit authentication.
[14:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, that would be aptdaemon then, unless you actuall installed packagekit (not recommended!)
[14:40] <pitti> tkamppeter: I don't have that script; is that uploaded already?
[14:41] <tkamppeter> pitti, /usr/bin/install-printerdriver is part of the system-config-printer-gnome package. Did this package get removed? It is needed for the download to work.
[14:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, so we need to seed this package again.
[14:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, I didn't have it installed
[14:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, it's fine, it's still part of the default install
[14:44] <pitti> tkamppeter: so what does this say on the box where it doesn't work?
[14:44] <pitti> pkcheck --action-id org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages --process $$
[14:44] <desrt> seb128: hey.  did you try the glib upload?
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: oh, is it up now?
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: this morning ftp.g.o still had .4
[14:44] <desrt> ya.  mclasen pushed it out over the weekend
[14:44] <desrt> Date:   Sun Feb 3 14:25:09 2013 -0500
[14:44] <desrt> 2.35.6
[14:45] <desrt> maybe he forgot the upload?
[14:45] <pitti> well, tagged, but not uploaded
[14:45] <pitti> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glib/2.35/
[14:45] <desrt> weird...
[14:45] <pitti> desrt: nah, master ran out of space yesterday
[14:45] <desrt> hah
[14:45] <larsu> desrt, morning, how are you feeling?
[14:45] <desrt> it's for the better anyway.  i doubt it would build.
[14:45] <desrt> larsu: much better.
[14:45] <pitti> desrt: I failed to release pygobject as well, but did it this morning after andrea cleaned up
[14:45] <larsu> hi pitti :)
[14:45] <larsu> desrt, ah good to hear
[14:45] <desrt> still sick as hell, but no longer exhausted, so better able to cope with it
[14:45] <pitti> hey larsu! made it to Toronto?
[14:46] <larsu> pitti, yes, sitting in attente's appartment right now
[14:46] <larsu> it's cool, but the timezone is all wrong
[14:46] <desrt> larsu: enjoy your jetlag while you have it
[14:46] <larsu> desrt, thanks?!
[14:46] <desrt> this type of jetlag is awesome... you get to wake up at 6am and feel like it's noon
[14:46] <desrt> so productive!!
[14:46] <larsu> haha
[14:47] <larsu> I don't have it, I was more referring to not knowing what time it is for other people I talk to on irc
[14:48] <desrt> ah right.  pitti is a particularly tricky one.
[14:48] <larsu> ya
[14:48]  * pitti ← still in .be
[14:48] <larsu> pitti, right, how is leuven treating you?
[14:49] <desrt> still raining?
[14:49] <pitti> very well, although a bit wet for my taste :)
[14:49] <desrt> ugh
[14:49] <pitti> no, actually it stopped and it's sunny
[14:49] <desrt> pitti: but puddles of urine still everywhere... i understand
[14:50] <larsu> I thought that was a Brusselian thing :D
[14:50] <pitti> not here :)
[14:50] <desrt> oh right.  flemish-speaking part :)
[14:50] <pitti> besides, I haven't really been out much
[14:50] <pitti> hacking over the day, spending mornings and evenings with my friends here
[14:51] <desrt> sounds nice
[14:51] <pitti> ... which made me learn more about git than I picked up in the past 6 months :)
[14:51] <desrt> being offline has a tendency to do that
[14:51] <desrt> unless you mean that the friends were teaching you
[14:52] <pitti> Michael has used it quite intensively and showed me a few tricks
[14:52] <pitti> and my vim is showing me compile errors and warnings for Vala and C inline now :)
[14:53] <desrt> we should organise a 'vim tricks' BoF at next UDS
[14:53] <desrt> we could all make each other so much more productive
[14:54] <larsu> I think there's a threshold after which you stop becoming more productive and look for cool new vim tricks all the time instead
[14:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, about the pkcheck command, which process number needs to be inserted after --process?
[14:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: just "$$"
[14:56] <pitti> as written above
[14:56] <pitti> IOW, "current shell process"
[15:27] <tkamppeter> pitti, result:
[15:27] <tkamppeter> polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh, with exit code 0?
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: that means it succeeds without authorization, i. e. you already got the privilege in that session
[15:28] <tkamppeter> Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.
[15:28] <pitti> aah
[15:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok, that's expected
[15:29] <tkamppeter> pitti, exit status is 2
[15:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: now run the same command with an extra -u
[15:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: that should pop up the password dialog and succeed
[15:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, on the machine where the authentication worked, I get the same result (still without -u).
[15:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: yep, that's the expected behaviour
[15:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, with -u I get a password pop-up on both machines and exit 0 after entering my password.
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok, so the polkit machinery works at least
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: does it still work if you call install-printerdriver from a shell?
[15:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: i. e. does it start failing because of a bug in the script, or because the script gets run from the s-c-p dbus backend?
[15:35] <pitti> need to run out for an hour or so, bbl
[15:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, I went to the machine where the problem does not occur and captured the install-printerdriver command line while the password dialog was open. Then I canceled the process.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, now I ran the captured command line on both machines. On the one without problem the password dialog pops up, on the one with the problem the script exits without any message, with exit code 1.
[16:28] <cyphermox> meeting?
[16:28] <didrocks> 2 more minutes? :)
[16:28] <cyphermox> well yeah, but I mean, we usually get advanced notice ;)
[16:28] <didrocks> Sweetshark, qengho, chrisccoulson, kenvandine, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente: meeting in less than 2 minutes!
[16:29] <didrocks> cyphermox: there you go ^ :)
[16:29] <cyphermox> hehehe
[16:29] <Laney> NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH
[16:29]  * Laney runs
[16:29] <didrocks> oh, waow Laney is not on the list I found from a previous meeting :)
[16:29] <seb128> (on a call, thanks didrocks for handling the meeting)
[16:29] <cyphermox> there, didrocks you hurt Laney's feelings
[16:29]  * kenvandine waves
[16:29] <Laney> :(
[16:29] <Laney> the perils of management
[16:30] <qengho> cyphermox: you got email!
[16:30] <ogra> Laney,  they hide away in non standard channels ... no need to be comprehensive :P
[16:30] <didrocks> Sweetshark, qengho, chrisccoulson, kenvandine, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente and Laneyyyyyyyy: meeting time!
[16:30] <cyphermox> qengho: ack
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[16:30] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-02-05
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> what happened to seb128?
[16:31] <didrocks> thanks for those completing the wiki, please do if you have relevant things to note
[16:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, (on a call, thanks didrocks for handling the meeting)
[16:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: he's in another meeting
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[16:31] <ogra> chrisccoulson, drowned in nexus7's
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:31] <qengho> That's a bad way to go.
[16:31] <didrocks> also think about updating your blueprints/WI we are quite flat and behind the trendline :)
[16:31] <didrocks> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> i think we postponed all of mine ;)
[16:32] <cyphermox> ugh, speaking of nexus 7
[16:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: postponed is fine, we are all optimizing for mobile now! :-)
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> qengho, better to be drowned in nexus 7's than a browser that nobody else cares about anymore (firefox) :P
[16:32] <didrocks> ok, let's do a quick team round
[16:32] <didrocks> qengho: hey
[16:33] <qengho> [desktop-r-chromiumbrowser-improvements]
[16:33] <qengho> 6 DONE / 12   3 are deferrable
[16:33] <qengho> Released new stable, even on Raring.  Woo.
[16:33] <qengho> ARM ARM ARM.  Will get this working this week.  The problem is that libraries in
[16:33] <qengho> cluded in tree (webrtc and ffmpeg) have weird and varying NEON assumptions.  Harassing upstream for not testing ARM for any OS but Android.
[16:33] <qengho> EOF
[16:34] <didrocks> nice to see chromium updated!
[16:34] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I like firefox  :)
[16:34] <didrocks> let's cross fingers that the work on ARM will be unblocked at some point
[16:34] <qengho> I agree.  1 <3 #security
[16:34] <didrocks> (sorry, chrisccoulson, chromium here :p)
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, traitor
[16:34] <didrocks> :)
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> mterry, beer for you at UDS
[16:34] <didrocks> thanks qengho
[16:34] <didrocks> Sweetshark: hey!
[16:35] <Laney> he's on holiday isn't he?
[16:35] <didrocks> last week yeah, not sure about this one, those geeks always connected to irc!
[16:35] <seb128> (he is on holidays still)
[16:35] <didrocks> let's hope he has nice time in France and good snow (at least, better weather than here)
[16:35] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[16:36] <seb128> yw ;-)
[16:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so, let's turn to another browser, firefox!
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - Carried on implementing Unity menubar support in Firefox (as mentioned last week, we're dropping the addon quite urgently now that it's totally broken)
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - Hit an issue with reporting failures from Firefox autopkgtest's last week. Fixed by outputting all test results in JUnit XML (it took quite a bit of work to get that going)
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> - I did start to look at memory consumption of zeitgeist-fts last week, but didn't get too far (it uses >300MB here)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> EOF
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> and thanks to jibel for the help, re. testing work ;)
[16:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, we started to discuss to drop the zeitgeist-fts at some point, especially for mobile
[16:37] <didrocks> jibel is awesome :-)
[16:37] <didrocks> but tell us if you can get some progress on that
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ah, if we're doing that, then i won't carry on looking at it :)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> but there seems to be something pathalogically wrong with it here, as it grows pretty much forever :)
[16:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: have a quick look if there are easy improvements, maybe, if none, we'll go that path (and it's still used in the desktop)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> cool
[16:38] <didrocks> thanks chrisccoulson
[16:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, talk to mhr3, it knows around where the issues are
[16:38] <kenvandine> * Working on finishing the service to run the Dee.SharedModel for friends, now that we've made the friends dispatcher exit after all threads finish we are seeing a leak.
[16:38] <kenvandine> * webapps/webcreds manual package updates, looking forward to getting everything autolanding
[16:38] <kenvandine> * We now have hourly automated testing of the individual webapps (userscripts), horray!  We need to get the sources split properly before we can start autolanding them.
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he blames xapian iirc
[16:39] <kenvandine>  /EOF
[16:39] <didrocks> (yeah, it was due to xapian, but still need confirmation)
[16:39] <didrocks> kenvandine: sweet on the dee improvement, nice to see friends coming to reality!
[16:39] <kenvandine> hopefully in raring this week!
[16:40] <kenvandine> i need to talk to mhr3 about the leak
[16:40] <didrocks> kenvandine: do you think we can have the webapps split done before our desktop sprint?
[16:40] <kenvandine> i am leaning on willcooke about it
[16:40] <kenvandine> it isn't a priority for them
[16:40] <kenvandine> well, wasn't
[16:40] <mhr3> seb128, :O you called me it?
[16:40] <kenvandine> but i think i changed his mind yesterday
[16:40] <mhr3> i'm not one of your bots! :P
[16:40] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh great!
[16:41] <didrocks> kenvandine: tell him we can't continue releasing and the work of splitting seems low to me
[16:41] <didrocks> compared to the trouble and lost hours with the current system
[16:41] <didrocks> and thanks for cracking the whip on the integration tests for webcreds in particular :)
[16:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:41] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks
[16:41] <didrocks> mlankhorst: hey
[16:41] <mlankhorst> Not much to say, harassing various upstreams for kernel, wine and x, had a blast at fosdem, pretty sure a lot of other stuff I'm forgetting from last week. ^D
[16:42] <didrocks> mlankhorst: we'll probably have a xorg stacktrace for you in the coming days, it's blocking the daily landing FYI
[16:42] <ogra> mlankhorst, so i can soon run photoshop on my nexus ?
[16:42] <didrocks> mlankhorst: just be prepared!
[16:42] <cyphermox> ogra: keep dreamin' ;)
[16:42] <mlankhorst> ogra: well not pestering wine about that :p
[16:42] <ogra> hehe
[16:42] <mlankhorst> but sure if you run wine in qemu
[16:42] <didrocks> thanks mlankhorst
[16:43] <didrocks> cyphermox: your turn ;)
[16:43] <cyphermox> hehe
[16:43] <cyphermox> - investigating more bluetooth / network fixes for teh Nexus 7
[16:43] <cyphermox> - about to upload probably the last NM/nm-applet snapshots before we get 0.9.8, which is what I expect we'll ship in raring.
[16:43] <cyphermox> - more indicator fixes, preparing indicator-bluetooth for autolanding, etc.
[16:43] <cyphermox> - debugged menu building issues in nm-applet due to how we handle virtual devices
[16:43] <cyphermox> \x00
[16:43] <didrocks> indicator-bluetooth <-> autolanding \o/
[16:43] <ogra> the new BT indicator is a beauty
[16:43] <ogra> (time for the old one to vanish though)
[16:43] <cyphermox> hehe I haven't run it yet >.<
[16:43] <didrocks> (don't forget that libappindicator is finally defeated, we get its tests passing)
[16:43] <cyphermox> oh yeah!
[16:44] <mterry> ogra, it is gone.  log out/back in after updating
[16:44] <didrocks> so, just telepathy-indicator and you can live a normal life again I guess ;)
[16:44] <cyphermox> woooo
[16:44] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox
[16:44] <cyphermox> will finish today hoepfully
[16:44] <didrocks> \o/
[16:44] <didrocks> mterry: hey
[16:44] <mterry> - PS autolanding work / investigations
[16:44] <mterry> - A few memory wins on the nexus7
[16:44] <mterry> - Started looking at fixing GtkMenuButton HUD support, but put it down for other stuff for the moment
[16:44] <mterry> - Pushed the ball a bit on gconf - dropped pulseaudio-module-gconf and filed merges for pkexec rather than gksu in update-notifier and xdiagnose
[16:44] <mterry> - New Deja Dup release
[16:44] <mterry> EOF
[16:44] <ogra> mterry, lol, i did, i just didnt notice its gone :)
[16:44] <ogra> but now that you tell me
[16:45] <ogra> ...
[16:45] <didrocks> "a few" but nice momery wins on the nexus 7, nice work mterry :-)
[16:45] <didrocks> I had to contemplate that from skiing with a glass of wine, but I liked the reports I read there :p
[16:45] <mterry> didrocks, :)
[16:45] <didrocks> thanks mterry
[16:46] <didrocks> robru: awake? ;)
[16:46]  * robru *yaaaaaaaaaawn*
[16:46] <robru> ;-)
[16:46] <didrocks> heh
[16:46] <robru> * working hard to eliminate long-running python process from Friends (so close!).
[16:46] <robru> * did a Quantal SRU for unity-firefox-extension
[16:46] <robru> * added asynchronous API for libfriends
[16:46] <robru> * added test-mode to lp:friends, which acts like dbusmock, but is less general-purpose and better suited to the specific needs of Friends.
[16:46] <robru> * reviewed another deja-dup branch for mterry ;-)
[16:46] <robru> * some nexus7 bug triaging. I am subscribed to all nexus7 bugmail and
[16:46] <robru> * I try to reproduce what comes through.
[16:46] <didrocks> sweet, do not hesitate as well to crack the whip and track the webapps team closely for the integration tests story
[16:47] <didrocks> as we can't really release without those without being confident on what we ship
[16:47] <didrocks> nice work on friends, can't wait to see it this week!
[16:47] <didrocks> thanks robru
[16:47] <robru> yeah, I'm really looking forward to landing our latest changes
[16:47] <didrocks> yep ;)
[16:47] <didrocks> tkamppeter: hey
[16:47] <robru> ken and I have a branch that we've been sending back and forth with big changes ;-)
[16:47] <tkamppeter> system-config-printer: Added printer driver auto-download to the D-Bus service, so that the auto download also happens when the printer setup tool of GNOME Control Center is used.
[16:48] <didrocks> robru: latest big intrusive change before releasing :)
[16:48] <tkamppeter> GNOME Control Center: Reported 7 bugs in the printer setup tool to both Ubuntu and upstream, discovered while testing the driver auto download.
[16:48] <tkamppeter> cups-browsed: Continued investigations for driverless IPP printer support.
[16:49] <didrocks> tkamppeter: thanks, nice work on the auto-download
[16:49] <didrocks> attente: hey
[16:49] <attente> didrocks, hey
[16:49] <attente> not much from me
[16:49] <attente> got inkscape menus (mostly) working in the module
[16:49] <attente> tried to hack the module to work with chromium, but zero luck there
[16:49] <attente> ran valgrind against unity-panel-service, need to thoroughly go through the output
[16:49] <attente> wrote a hacky autopilot test for MP on indicator-appmenu, but needs more/better tests
[16:49] <attente> EOF
[16:50] <didrocks> attente: please keep us in touch about the autopilot tests when they are ready so that we integrate them as part of releasing
[16:50] <didrocks> thanks attente
[16:50] <attente> thanks didrocks
[16:50] <didrocks> Laney: see, I didn't forget you! ;)
[16:50] <attente> will do
[16:50] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[16:51]  * Laney throws a party
[16:51] <Laney> Temporarily cripped & fixed N7 (OT: has anyone other than me noticed USB OTG not really working?). Packaged maliit — got accepted today; thanks to whoever did that! Worked more on the default font configuration for Chinese users as someone stepped up to help me test/iterate on fixes. I think that we're pretty much there and I should be able to upload that this week. Updated gstreamer to 1.0.5. Tried some more to debug pidgin's ...
[16:51] <Laney> ... segfault with 1.0, but I didn't get very far so filed it upstream. Debugged some smallish leaks. Not really sure where we stand with the new unity scopes work and existing software.
[16:51] <Laney> (spammed the buildds with haskell :P)
[16:51] <Laney> NUL
[16:51] <didrocks> USB OTG was working for me last time I tried, not sure for others…
[16:52] <didrocks> I saw a lot of reject from Riddel today in the archive admin list, so there is high chance he's the culpurit of accepting your package ;)
[16:52] <Laney> \o/
[16:52] <didrocks> (and nice to see gstreamer behaving better)
[16:52] <Laney> I get a light on the USB hub but the keyboard plugged into it does nothing
[16:53] <didrocks> weird, we'll see if other get it as well…
[16:53] <Laney> yeah
[16:53] <Laney> will bring it to the sprint anyways
[16:53] <didrocks> yep ;)
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks Laney
[16:53] <didrocks> ok, I think it's my turn now
[16:53] <didrocks> Was on holidays last week, managed successfully to not break any harm/leg while skiing. So big achievement!
[16:53] <didrocks> More seriously, finished the blog post suit on unity daily release process. In addition to write part 5 of the blog post, put everything in the wiki as a reference documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease.
[16:53] <didrocks> If you have any question, do not hesitate to ping, I'll add the answers to the FAQ.
[16:54] <didrocks> Also, daily maintenance to keep the ball rolling and teaching to the ubuntu unity team how to use that tool to not become crazy ;)
[16:54] <didrocks> ..
[16:54] <didrocks> any questions/some things to tell to the whole team?
[16:55] <didrocks> doesn't seem so, so we should be done :)
[16:55] <didrocks> thanks everyone!
[16:55] <Laney> thanks!
[16:56] <mterry> woo
[16:57] <robru> didrocks, thanks
[17:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, so the bug is in the script, not because it's running from dbus?
[17:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have investigated more. It is not able to load Epson's PGP key.
[17:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, the key is available and valid, as
[17:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AA65D56
[17:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, works.
[17:15] <tkamppeter> But if I try to load the key with the script, the line
[17:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, res = pk.install_signature(PackageKitGlib.SigTypeEnum.GPG, repo_gpg_id, '', None, progress, None) is not able to load it.
[17:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, I get
[17:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, gi._glib.GError: Failed to download and install the key 8AA65D56 from hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80:
[17:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: interesting; does that need some kind of proxy?
[17:17] <tkamppeter> pitti, strange is that the error message ends with a clolon after the port number of the key server.
[17:18] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have no proxy and both machines, the one which works and the one which does not work are in the same local network.
[17:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, I tried to reproduce the problem in the direct mode of python and get the problem on both machines, exactly the same, as in http://paste.ubuntu.com/1613453/
[17:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, this means that on the machine where I succeeded to install the package the key must have been pre-loaded somehow.
[17:32] <stevo> heya, do you guys deal with common bugs and issues with the ubuntu desktop by any chance?
[17:33] <stevo> thing is, I have an annoying problem that I can reproduce on Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04, where if I restart the networking service, parts of Unity just disappear and become unuable
[17:35] <sarnold> stevo: got a bug number handy? (not that I know what i'm doing, but having a bug report tends to give a discussion a good solid footing
[17:36] <stevo> sarnold, no, for whatever reason, when it happens, nothing crashes, no option to submit a bug report
[17:36] <stevo> so it leaves me unable to figure out what I should file it under
[17:37] <sarnold> stevo: you could run "ubuntu-bug unity" all on your own -- though without a crash it might be harder for it to be grouped with other potential duplicates...
[17:37] <stevo> sure, I'll just do it from a clean install and see what happens
[17:53] <jbicha> I think you can duplicate the network crash problem by just running sudo service networking stop
[18:00] <stevo> well, I mostly restart the service, I didn't actually think about trying stop
[18:00] <stevo> however, I'm doing a clean install to reproduce it to see if I can take a shot at a bug report
[18:07]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:19] <desrt> attente, larsu: i could theoretically leave my house at this point without falling over dead
[18:48] <attente> desrt: that's nice :)
[18:49] <larsu> desrt, bar vespa has really good pizza :)
[18:49] <larsu> we went there on the basis that you don't like it :P
[18:49] <desrt> losers :p
[18:49] <larsu> haha
[18:49] <larsu> desrt, glad you're feeling better
[18:50]  * desrt is having his leftover soup -- it is helping
[18:51] <larsu> bon appetit
[21:35] <attente> is anyone else's X server repeatedly being killed on the Unity greeter?
[21:42] <bryce> attente, grep EE from Xorg.0.log and pastebin?
[21:44] <bryce> attente, if it says something about drm interface not available, that's a known issue, see the raring xserver bugs for a workaround.
[21:44] <bryce> bbiab.
[21:49] <attente> nothing notable in Xorg.0.log, but perhaps this:
[21:49] <attente> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1614243/ (/var/log/lightdm/x-14-greeter.log
[21:49] <attente> )
[23:20] <dobey> attente: do you have an Xorg.14.log?