[00:20] <elky> k1l_, did annagoodheart query you too?
[00:20] <k1l_> yep
[00:21] <elky> basically asking for a windows key?
[00:21] <k1l_> but seems like a new user to me, so far.
[00:21] <k1l_> no
[00:47] <JoshuaK> how do i chat in ubuntu:
[00:47] <JoshuaK> [00:47] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[00:47] <JoshuaK> Ubuntu 10.04 fails to have internet. No wlan , eth0 is present but when plugged into router no internet connection is established. Happens on all of my PCs.
[00:51] <Pici> JoshuaK: Part the channel and rejoin, and don't change your nick if you're using a webchat connection
[00:53] <Pici> oops
[01:54] <Pici> I like when our regulars remind people of the rules.
[01:55] <Pici> It means I don't have to come out of the woodwork like some crazy guy you didn't notice was sitting in the room the whole time.
[01:56] <elky> yeah
[01:58] <elky> I like not having to be the only person stopping the creepy, it's nice that the regulars help.
[08:55] <bazhang> he was posting nonsense earlier as well; piratebay links
[08:55] <ikonia> yes,
[08:55] <ikonia> hence why he's just gone
[12:12] <IdleOne> Good morning bobweaver
[12:12] <bobweaver> Hello there I only have a couple minutes but in that Time I would like to stress the issue that I was having (and still do ) with one of your moderaters and also something got taken WAY OUT of contacts
[12:12] <bobweaver> contex
[12:13] <IdleOne> Go on :)
[12:13] <bobweaver> 1) I am dyslaic so this is why I was asking for a google hangout last time here are the logs
[12:13] <bobweaver> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/03/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[12:13] <bobweaver> 2) I was not no way saying that I would stop deving things
[12:14] <IdleOne> You did imply it though
[12:14] <bobweaver> what I was saying well trying to is that I can not when there is a silence on me
[12:14] <bobweaver> meaning that I can not talk to other developers about this (I have been sence emailing them )
[12:14] <IdleOne> You don't need to be in #ubuntu to work on Unity TV
[12:14] <bobweaver> I did not know that IdleOne
[12:14] <IdleOne> You were not silenced in the -dev channel as far as I know
[12:15] <bobweaver> thanks
[12:15] <bobweaver> 3rd )  This is not the 1st time that this has happened with me and Ikonia
[12:15] <bobweaver> matt darcy has even gone as far as going on launchpad and harrassing me there
[12:15] <bobweaver> marking bugs that I am working on as invaild
[12:16] <bobweaver> I will get a exampe
[12:16] <IdleOne> ikonia does not go around marking bugs invalid if they are valid.
[12:16] <bobweaver> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntutv/+bug/1001854
[12:17] <bobweaver> I am the lead developer for all the front end stuff for the tv
[12:17] <bobweaver> that is for real
[12:17] <IdleOne> He is a well respected member of the ubuntu community and knows what he is doing. Your percieved personal issues with ikonia are exactly that, percieved as personal. He has nothing against you, he does expect you to behave withing the channel !guidelines though
[12:17] <bobweaver> I must stress thatt this is hard to talk about with a keyboard in front of me
[12:18] <bobweaver> I understand that IdleOne  and have no beef with that
[12:18] <bobweaver> what I do though is the harrasment that he gives to me and others
[12:18] <IdleOne> I am certain that you do a lot of good work for Unity but that does not excuse you from following the same rules as everybody else is expected to follow
[12:18] <bobweaver> correct
[12:18] <bobweaver> I admit when I am wrong
[12:19] <IdleOne> You were muted because of continued off topic comments.
[12:19] <bobweaver> and I was for saying go niners and I said that in the comment
[12:19] <IdleOne> what others do or don't do has nothing to do with the reason why you were muted.
[12:19] <bobweaver> that is great and that is not what this is about
[12:19] <IdleOne> it is.
[12:19] <bobweaver> you may think that I am mad about being silenced I am not
[12:20] <IdleOne> what happens outside of #ubuntu is really none of our concern unless it affects #ubuntu also
[12:20] <bobweaver> I understand the job that it takes for someone to do it correctly
[12:20] <bobweaver> effects Ubuntu
[12:20] <bobweaver> Why dont you look at this
[12:20] <bobweaver> https://plus.google.com/+UbuntuTV/posts
[12:20] <IdleOne> Ubuntu and #ubuntu are separate entities, you don't need #ubuntu to work on Ubuntu
[12:20] <bobweaver> I have had to cancle my meetings because of all this
[12:21] <IdleOne> You don't have meetings in #ubuntu
[12:21] <bobweaver> IdleOne,  againI have been under the assumtion that it was all ubuntu channels
[12:21] <IdleOne> Well you were mistaken about that
[12:22] <bobweaver> IdleOne,  plz hold brb 1 sec (phone
[12:22] <bobweaver> yes I was
[12:22] <IdleOne> sure thing
[12:23] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1612428/
[12:23] <bobweaver> that is the email that I sent to jono mark will jim dan and other members
[12:23] <bobweaver> so you can see that it is not about the fact that one personn has dont one thing
[12:24] <bobweaver> it is about that fact that the person is harrasing me not only on irc but in other areas also
[12:24] <bobweaver> Like launchpad
[12:24] <IdleOne> So you think that someone may have DoS'ed you?
[12:24] <bobweaver> I know that that happend
[12:24] <IdleOne> someone from the ops team?
[12:24] <bobweaver> I can not say that yet
[12:25] <bobweaver> but I am not the smartest man but 2+2=22
[12:25] <bobweaver> sometimes ^^
[12:25] <IdleOne> bobweaver: We are adults, we are here to help the community. We DO NOT DoS people.
[12:25] <Myrtti> that is absolutely absurd
[12:25] <bobweaver> again no evidence no nothing
[12:25] <IdleOne> I find your accusation insulting to be honest and as an Ubuntu member you should know better.
[12:26] <bobweaver> when the person slips up which they will then and only then willl I point fingers
[12:26] <bobweaver> untill then 2+2=22
[12:26] <bobweaver> I am not saying that this is this or that is that. But yeah that night mysql was droped
[12:26] <bobweaver> also I can not connect to bzr anymore
[12:27] <IdleOne> alright, well. The mute in #ubuntu will remain for the time being. AFAIK you are not muted in any of the dev channels, so your work on Unity can continue without obstruction from the ops team.
[12:27] <bobweaver> meaning that I can not even push my code changes
[12:27] <bobweaver> that is great but again for me ... that is not waht this is about
[12:27] <IdleOne> Not that the ops team has any power to obstruct any dev work anyway
[12:27] <elky> dude, i can guarantee you that ikonia doesn't have access to launchpad bzr permissions or your isp.
[12:27] <bobweaver> this to me is about power and what people do with it
[12:28] <bobweaver> elky,  it is more then just that IDT that either
[12:28] <bobweaver> and I am not at all trying to point fingers untill I have pure evidence
[12:28] <elky> i don't parse what you just said, could you try again?
[12:28] <bobweaver> sure
[12:28] <IdleOne> We do not have access to bzr or launchpad permissions, that is a canonical thing.
[12:28] <bobweaver> I know that
[12:29] <bobweaver> elky,  IDT = I dont think
[12:29] <elky> ah
[12:29] <IdleOne> We also do not DoS people
[12:30] <bobweaver> again IdleOne I am NOT pointing fingers
[12:30] <bobweaver> I have not hard evidence
[12:30] <bobweaver> ev-i-den-ce
[12:30] <IdleOne> bobweaver: again, you are implying it
[12:30] <bobweaver> ok what I am saying is that 2+2=22 sometimes
[12:31] <bobweaver> that is all
[12:31] <bobweaver> ook topic done
[12:31] <bobweaver> as far as the DOS
[12:31] <IdleOne> ok, have a good day.
[12:31] <bobweaver> but abuse of power is not
[12:31] <IdleOne> there was no abuse of power on ikonia's part as far as the mute in #ubuntu is concerned.
[12:31] <bobweaver> It is not fair that there is not a place that hasent been friends with someone for over 5 years
[12:32] <bobweaver> it is like there is a click of people that have been together on this and are only taking the one side of the one persons thoughts
[12:32]  * AlanBell reads back and reads the email
[12:33] <bobweaver> AlanBell,  I will forward you all them
[12:33] <IdleOne> bobweaver: I am basing my opinion on the available facts which include, logs of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-ops, past history, and this current conversation
[12:34] <bobweaver> IdleOne,  I am not talking about you or any one person at all
[12:34] <bobweaver> again launguage barrier
[12:34] <AlanBell>  irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com please
[12:34] <AlanBell> bobweaver: incidentally did you see the last two emails to https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/
[12:34] <IdleOne> bobweaver: correct you haven't pointed a finger at any specific person, but any intelligent person can deduce who you mean to implicate
[12:35] <bobweaver> AlanBell, No I did not ?
[12:35] <AlanBell> just about closing bug #1001854 as unity has a picture lens now
[12:35] <bobweaver> AlanBell,  that is also what jono told me to do
[12:36] <bobweaver> yeah I filed that and that was mine and I was assigned to it and nyeah I did add it ?
[12:36] <bobweaver> s|nyeah|me yeah
[12:37] <AlanBell> ok, it doesn't really matter much, I just saw that mentioned on the list the other day and it came up again here
[12:37] <bobweaver> cool
[12:38] <bobweaver> AlanBell,  best thing to do is to write the console ?  as I know that others are doing the same thing towards me though they wont even listen or do a google hangout
[12:38] <AlanBell> huh?
[12:38] <AlanBell> "write the console"?
[12:39] <IdleOne> bobweaver: if you want to file a complaint against any of the ops you can email  irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com (/msg ubottu !appeals)
[12:39] <IdleOne> council*
[12:39] <bobweaver> AlanBell,  the irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <IdleOne> correct
[12:40] <bobweaver> cool
[12:40] <bobweaver> listen I am not here to try to fight with you all
[12:40] <bobweaver> I am here to have a judgement based trail
[12:40] <bobweaver> just like any other place
[12:40] <bobweaver> IDK if you can understand what I mean by that
[12:41] <IdleOne> Well if you want that you need to email the Ubuntu IRC council, explain your side and they will contact you if they need more info/make a decision.
[12:41] <AlanBell> not entirely, but send emails through to the council and we will have a look at it
[12:41] <bobweaver> I mean that I think that it is a good idea for the people that are involed in a conflict like this. esp because it is 2 members that are both doing a good job at point
[12:42] <bobweaver> I think that 1 me and matt got off onthe wrong foot
[12:42] <elky> the council is more than 2 members...
[12:42] <IdleOne> he means him and ikonia
[12:42] <elky> oh
[12:42] <bobweaver> 2 that there needs to be a member that can sit between us that is neither my friend nor his and moderate the situation
[12:42] <elky> i conflated alan and bob's lines
[12:43] <bobweaver> I have no shame in having admited my faults
[12:43] <IdleOne> That is what the IRCC does in part, is mediate conflicts between users.
[12:43] <bobweaver> that is why I think that google hangout or something like that would. be a good idea
[12:43] <bobweaver> yeah but I have a learning disablity
[12:43] <bobweaver> ok
[12:43] <bobweaver> put it this way
[12:43] <bobweaver> or I will try
[12:44] <bobweaver> one time me and one person got into a fight. about a week later Jono bacon called me and we talked about the issue. He did not take sides and was v.fair
[12:44] <elky> bobweaver, what's the name of the irc bot that was DoSing you on port 22? I'm curious about how they've done something so odd.
[12:45] <bobweaver> he understood that it is hard to say everything that you are trying to say on a keyboard and you can get alot more done faster
[12:45] <IdleOne> Start by sending an email.
[12:45] <bobweaver> elky,  I will realse all that info when time is aproperate
[12:46] <elky> bobweaver, the time is appropriate now. if someone is DoSing our users, we need to stop them.
[12:46] <bobweaver> elky,  againI do not want to point any fingers and Ido not want to give away to much info. I am trying to catch this person noww in
[12:46] <bobweaver> elky,  sure I will forward you logs if you like
[12:46] <elky> There might be other people out there getting attacked because they're in our channels, so please do.
[12:46] <bobweaver> I have to be to wirk in 14 minutes all
[12:46] <bobweaver> elky,  NP I def will
[12:47] <bobweaver> elky,  you are forest piskie ?
[12:47] <elky> melissa at ubuntu com
[12:47] <elky> no
[12:47] <bobweaver> cool
[12:47] <bobweaver> I have too go to work and for that I am sorry, I want to say 2 things though before I leave
[12:49] <bobweaver> 1) no when ever comes to the mods and says , Hey you all are doing a great job, I am part of that.  So I just want to say that you all are doing a great job and I do respect and admire the curage that it takes to do this job.
[12:49] <bobweaver> aka
[12:49] <bobweaver> Mods get no credit when things run well, blame when things don't, and hate when they have to do something about it.﻿
[12:49] <bobweaver> I am sorry that I never came here and said thanks before
[12:51] <bobweaver> 2)  This needs to be worked out I am not saying that ikonia is a bad person , I think that he is allright. But I also think that if you are given a wide ammount of power then you should never judge people as a personal thing. << came pout wrong damn learning disability.
[12:52] <bobweaver> I have to go to work running late as is thanks for taking the time to listen to my side of the story my email is josephjamesmills  at ubuntu.com if you have any questions what so ever
[12:52] <bobweaver> thanks
[14:34]  * genii-around starts brewing a fresh pot of coffee
[15:19]  * lhavelund hugs genii-around.
[15:20] <genii-around> lhavelund: Good morning! (or afternoon/evening/what-have-you!)
[15:23] <lhavelund> :D
[17:45] <Pici> yikes
[18:52] <Tm_T> hi IAmNotThatGuy
[23:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hey  Tm_T