[00:29] <solarcloud> Ohwell, thanks for the heads-up on that one (not).. Also, Just went to post some cheques to the bank , and the post box is full .. What do I do now McGiver ??
[01:49] <ali1234> http://chiptunes.emor3j.fr.eu.org/tunes/modarchive.org/T/thrashzone.mod <- not what you expect from a chiptune
[08:40] <daubers> Morning
[08:45] <popey> morning
[08:45] <popey> AlanBell: yeah, i thought so.
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> meauning.
[09:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:18] <JamesTait> Good moaning! ;-)
[09:21]  * directhex flings the candle with the handle at JamesTait 
[09:24] <SuperMatt> well, fedora 19 is switching mysql to mariadb, which means it may make it to redhat, which means Oracle will have to strip it out when they clone it
[09:24] <SuperMatt> that makes me chuckle heartedly
[09:26] <mungbean_> dear irc, i have an eccentric uncle in his 50s who lives alone with a disposable income, hence buys things he needs. what can i buy him as a small birthday present?
[09:26] <SuperMatt> a nice bottle of whisky
[09:26] <mungbean_> i'm not sure he drinks
[09:26] <mungbean_> but nice idea
[09:27]  * JamesTait responds (eventually) by flinging the gateau from the chateau at directhex. ;)
[09:27] <mungbean_> he likes gadgets and always has the latest smartphone
[09:27]  * popey tries to pronounce directhex like chateau
[09:28] <popey> mungbean_: I'd buy a real life thing
[09:28] <popey> cooking school voucher, balloon ride, that kind of thing
[09:28] <directhex> mungbean_, get a motorola startac.
[09:29] <czajkowski> mungbean_: lots of choices here http://www.goodwood.co.uk/
[09:29] <czajkowski> I bought my other half a flying lesson for our anniversary, to say he was chuffed is an understatement
[09:29] <popey> mungbean_: how about something charitable if he already has everything
[09:29] <mungbean_> he does love horse racing
[09:29] <mungbean_> lots of good ideas here
[09:30] <popey> or a subscription to a magazine
[09:30] <popey> pay once, he gets benefit every month
[09:30] <mungbean_> i may look at some gloves that let you use a smartphone whwen you ar wearing them
[09:30] <czajkowski> popey: good idea
[09:32] <AlanBell> anyone tried replacing mysql with mariadb on anything yet?
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I have
[09:34] <SuperMatt> it just slots in to place
[09:34] <directhex> mungbean_, you don't need gloves for that, you need a pepperami.
[09:34] <directhex> #truefacts
[09:34] <directhex> ooh, get a crate of pepperami
[09:34] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: how did you install it? from the mariadb repos?
[09:34] <SuperMatt> yup
[09:35] <mungbean_> he's also quite vegetarian (except christmas)
[09:35] <directhex> http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/south-korean-iphone-users-turn-to-sausages-as-a-cold-weather-me/
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I'm running it over at supermatt.net
[09:35] <mungbean_> and probably undiagnosed aspergers
[09:35] <mungbean_> can't even buy him CDs anymore since he got a spotify unlimited
[09:35] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: does it conflict with mysql? then start serving up your mysql databases?
[09:36] <SuperMatt> well, it's a replacement for mysql. I just removed mysql, put maria in, and everything continued working as it was before
[09:36] <AlanBell> any particular benefit to doing it?
[09:37] <SuperMatt> not *really*
[09:37] <popey> mungbean_: not everyone is on spotify. find out someone he likes and isn't on spotify ☺
[09:37] <SuperMatt> unless you want more openess from your db server
[09:39] <popey> mungbean_: remember you said your shower broke yesterday?
[09:39] <popey> and I was proud of ours being 10 years old
[09:39] <popey> it broke last night
[09:43] <shauno> I keep praying mine will finally break for some extra motivation.  it still works, but the pump's gone.  so it's a light drizzle at best
[09:47] <SuperMatt> AlanBell: I think eventually you may see more from mariadb because the devs are actively looking to progress it, where-as orcale aren't quite so bothered
[09:48] <mungbean_> popey: :(
[09:48] <mungbean_> electric or combi boiler?
[09:48] <mungbean_> its just the metal lever on the tap for me, but doesn't seem replaceable
[09:49] <popey> electric
[09:49] <popey> just took the cover off, it's just the microswitch i think
[09:50] <popey> bingo! http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/121058632991?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y
[09:51]  * popey knows there's a place in farnham that does spares like this...
[09:51] <AlanBell> GA Days
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Lunns on the Lynchford Rd?
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or Rexel Senate for electrical stuff.
[09:52] <popey> ahh, lunns..
[09:52] <popey> should try them first
[09:55] <popey> bah, grumpy git on the phone
[09:57] <AlanBell> is that what they said to you?
[09:57] <popey> I was a model of friendlyness
[09:57] <popey> he on the other hand..
[09:58] <popey> anyway, they can't get them
[10:02] <popey> bah, SDA don't do showers
[10:02] <popey> it's only a switch ☹
[10:05] <popey> ebay it is
[10:11] <mungbean_> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ pricing looks attractive for this
[10:22] <solarcloud> Does anyone know the username of Michael Hall from canonical on IRC ??
[10:23] <popey> mhall119
[10:23] <popey> he lurks in #ubuntu-community-team
[10:23] <solarcloud> ok thanx
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know a friendly Mozillian working out of the London office? ( chrisccoulson? ) Am after someone to "sponsor" us so I can book the Mozspace in March.
[10:27] <czajkowski> he's canonical not mozilla :)
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes I know czajkowski
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> But he works on TB & Firefox ;-)
[10:36] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: he may know someone, bkerensa is a mozilla community guy, may know names in london
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty popey
[10:36] <popey> i know GLLUG tried to book it too
[10:36] <popey> but it's very heavily booked up
[10:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just had a chat with them on the mozila irc server. Said they had problems with it being "used by anyone".
[10:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> "... It ended up being used as free office space. So the office is temporally closed until we get some guidelines in. If someone from Mozilla is happy to keep an eye out for you and book the room for you then it wont be a problem"
[10:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: google campus is also very useful
[10:42] <czajkowski> I'm running hackntalk there
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Good idea.
[10:43] <AlanBell> czajkowski: oh, how is that going?
[10:43] <czajkowski> 31/70
[10:43] <czajkowski> so not bad
[10:43] <czajkowski> :)
[10:43] <czajkowski> am well happy with that
[10:46] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000MLL6RS/ hmmm
[10:46] <Myrtti> to buy or not
[10:49] <popey> thats a good price!
[10:50] <czajkowski> indeed it is
[10:50] <czajkowski> already have his valentines pressie though :/
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Myrtti: We bought the kids one of those a couple of years ago for Christmas.
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not that impressed tbh
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Incredibly hard to actually see anything interesting with it.
[10:52] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah I read the reviews too
[10:52] <popey> that specific model TheOpenSourcerer ?
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno hang on.
[10:53] <Myrtti> one of them says you can hardly see Jupiter with it
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was a 114EQ
[10:53] <Myrtti> which doesn't really surprise me
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> This one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000MLL6R8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[10:55] <directhex> astronomy in cities sucks. too much light polution
[10:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Luckily I don't live in a city
[10:56] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: is yours packed away, never used?
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is in the Dining room - set up but hasn't been outside for ~18months
[10:57] <solarcloud> Stellarium ??
[10:57] <AlanBell> http://mo-www.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/OWN/Own.pl
[10:57] <AlanBell> use someone elses robot telescope \o/
[10:57] <popey> the kids were fascinated by the fact they could see Jupiter recently
[11:01] <popey> http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/t-series/t430/
[11:01] <popey> broken for everyone?
[11:01] <popey> Internal Server Error - Read
[11:01] <popey> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[11:01] <popey> Reference #3.707008d1.1360062077.181c6683
[11:01] <mgdm> works form e
[11:02] <directhex> works
[11:02] <solarcloud> it's fine
[11:02] <popey> still broken here
[11:03] <solarcloud> $779.00 pricey thou.
[11:03] <popey> odd, works in chrome, doesn't work in chromium
[11:04] <popey> hmm, reckon it's an extension issue, works in incognito chromium
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: still a long time to wait for a dell
[11:10] <solarcloud> Just for an "elevensies" strawpoll .... Who here smokes ??
[11:11] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[11:12] <solarcloud> v. good popey,      .... v.good.
[11:12] <mungbean_> :-|
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> solarcloud: I do when I'm either drinking beer or playing golf.
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> But cigars only.
[11:12] <mungbean_> for this intj it's the oddest habit i see people doing
[11:12] <solarcloud> seems legit :)
[11:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> w00t! sandwich van est arrive
[11:15] <solarcloud> Round here he's known as Bap Man. BYMMV
[11:16] <popey> mungbean_: intj?
[11:17] <directhex> i only smoke occasionally. as in after people set me on fire.
[11:19] <popey> wakka wakka wakka
[11:19] <popey> he's here all week!
[11:23] <mungbean_> popey: INTJ personality type
[11:23] <mungbean_> as per many in this room i suspect
[11:24] <mungbean_> although its more rare IRL
[11:24] <popey> oh i see
[11:35] <popey> haggis for lunch
[11:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've had an updated email with "The Estimated Delivery Date for this order is on or before 2013-02-14."
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: did you hunt and kill it yourself?
[11:36] <popey> i opened the package, yes
[11:55] <mungbean_> ARRRGH tomboy just deleted all my local notes
[11:56] <bashrc> is that a feature?
[11:56] <mungbean_> a new one, it seems
[11:56] <popey> hmmm
[11:57] <popey> you are the third person to say that to me today
[11:57] <Laney> raring?
[11:57] <popey> aquarius: ^^
[11:57] <mungbean_> 12.04
[11:57] <mungbean_> just synced, and it said "deleted local note"
[11:57] <skybinary> installing ltmodem/linmodem for lucid, is it possible?
[11:57] <mungbean_> 206 notes GONE
[11:57] <popey>  see .local/share/tomboy/Backup
[11:58] <mungbean_> thanks, phew
[11:58] <mungbean_> time to migrate from u1 :(
[11:58]  * popey asks in #ubuntuone
[11:59] <mungbean_> unless tomboy fix u1 api support for desktop and android before end of month :(
[11:59] <popey> I will probably switch to text files in a folder
[11:59] <mungbean_> not ideal as i use it on windows too
[11:59] <mungbean_> and on android
[11:59] <mungbean_> :'(
[12:00] <popey> text files is ideal then
[12:00] <Laney> it's sad :( so sad :( it's a sad sad situation :(
[12:00] <popey> sync via U1 or Dropbox
[12:00] <mungbean_> i thought you told me this was Not Safe TM
[12:00] <mungbean_> last year you mentioned you tried it and it was bad
[12:00] <popey> i am not saying sync tomboy via that method
[12:00] <popey> woah there
[12:00] <mungbean_> oh :(
[12:01] <Laney> i'll probably be setting up a rainy server
[12:02] <mungbean_> does it work the same?
[12:02] <mungbean_> snowy protocol?
[12:05] <Laney> yeah
[12:06] <Laney> i suspect there is cause for a tomboy bug report asking to confirm if the server is trying to make all of your notes go away
[12:06]  * mungbean_ wonders if owncloud has this support 
[12:08] <mungbean_> http://gitorious.org/haddock
[12:09] <davmor2> popey: have you considered syncing the tomboy notes to a folder and then sharing the folder
[12:09] <popey> thats not recommended davmor2
[12:09] <popey> also doesn't work for syncing with tomdroid
[12:09] <davmor2> popey: also yesterday there was an issue reported yesterday and the u1 team were looking into it
[12:10] <popey> got a bug report or link to the discussion?
[12:11] <mungbean_> ubuntu one facebook page mentions it too
[12:12] <DJones>  Wierd, Win XP running in virtualbox runs faster than Win XP running as an installed o/s
[12:15] <Laney> just caught sight of myself sitting here in a slanket
[12:15] <Laney> look like an idiot
[12:15] <mungbean> http://pristinesource.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/haddock-tomboy-notes-sync-for-owncloud.html
[12:16] <mungbean> maybe if its too much effort, canonical can open the source for their tomboy sync service and we can run it ourselves, or is it just snowy anyway?
[12:17] <popey> Laney: I think we should be the judge of that. Photos pls.
[12:18] <popey> i think it's based on snowy
[12:20] <Laney> popey: I'm not ashamed
[12:20] <Laney> http://ubuntuone.com/63y67SI7mTcrSkKTBiV8uQ
[12:20] <Laney> \o/
[12:20] <mungbean> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/snowy-list/2012-December/msg00001.html explains a bit more about the situation
[12:21] <popey> you look _awesome_
[12:22] <Laney> it's super warm!
[12:23] <popey> I was going to get one for wifey
[12:24] <Laney> you can get double ones
[12:24] <mgdm> My brother's flatmate once got given one by her mum. She was decidedly unimpressed at the time, though that evening they went out and got extremely drunk, resulting in a massive hangover the next morning, at which point she realised it was a great idea
[12:26] <czajkowski> Laney: nice
[12:26] <czajkowski> jon got one for my sister which also plugs in so it's an electric slanket blanket :)
[12:26] <Laney> :O
[12:27] <Laney> although this is part of my heating resistence strategy so i'd have to opt out of that :P
[12:28] <czajkowski> Laney: thought you were in london this week ?
[12:28] <Laney> no 18th
[12:28] <czajkowski> bah
[12:28] <czajkowski> am heading in on Friday
[12:28] <popey> i dont need a double one because I don't feel the cold like wifey does
[12:28] <czajkowski> though given the day I'm having I may end up there sooner
[12:29]  * Laney throws things at the radio
[12:29] <Laney> anyone listening to you and yours?
[12:33] <popey> i am now
[12:34] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/fosdem-ubuntu  oh brilliant
[12:34] <czajkowski> have to say the fosdem android app was so simple and easy to good
[12:34] <czajkowski> al conferences should use it!
[12:47] <mungbean> just realised this year is my 15 years anniversary of using linux :-|
[12:47] <mungbean> so google tells me
[12:49] <Laney> how does google know that :O
[12:53] <mungbean> Laney: when deploying my first server in the enterprise i posted to the linux-net mailing list
[12:56] <mungbean> we have a running joke here that anyone who says they have been doing something for 15 years is generally a duffer that hasn't updated his knowledge since the 90s
[12:56] <mungbean> source: tivoli guy
[12:59]  * popey ponders when he first used linux
[13:00] <mungbean> i can't even remember whether i used gnome or kde
[13:00] <mungbean> i went to the shop and bought redhat for ~£30
[13:00] <ali1234> you probably didn't use either
[13:01] <ali1234> it ws probably fvwm
[13:01] <mungbean> redhat 5.1 manhattan
[13:01] <mungbean> it had the kde style menu
[13:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> My LFS id is 216. Probably means ~1998/9 I guess
[13:02] <mungbean> i didn't know what i was doing but i installed apache web proxy module (or maybe squid if it existed then)
[13:02] <ali1234> yeah. fvwm
[13:02] <mungbean> and ran it on a desktop pc without a lid for the whole company
[13:03] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZpEX4dWItQo#t=51s
[13:05] <ali1234> http://systhread.net/texts/2009xvishist-img/fvwm95shot1.jpg
[13:06] <ali1234> does anyone know how synergy grabs all the input?
[13:07] <mungbean> pretty sure i installed every DE
[13:08] <ali1234> gnome wasnt released unti 1999 according wikipedia
[13:16] <mungbean> kde?
[13:16] <mungbean> i think kde was an option at the time
[13:16] <mungbean> not sure if default or not
[13:16] <ali1234> KDE older than gnome
[13:17] <ali1234> but fvwm was default in redhat 5.1
[13:18] <davmor2> ali1234: yeap, kde was first but QT was proprietary so RMS said that is no use and then some people created gtk to create the gnome desktop and the flame wars have continued from there
[13:18] <ali1234> yeah, not really though
[13:19] <ali1234> they've always been very different desktops
[13:19] <ali1234> the licensing stuff was not the reason people chose one or the other, in the main
[13:19] <ali1234> it was the reason why gnome was created though
[13:19] <davmor2> ali1234: it was initially
[13:19] <mungbean> was the reason gnome started though innit?
[13:19] <mungbean> they were worried what would happen if trolltech went away
[13:20] <ali1234> Qt went open source before gnome was really even usable
[13:20] <ali1234> gnome first release 1999, Qt went GPL in 2000
[13:21] <mungbean> i used to love kde
[13:21] <ali1234> (gnome 1.0 was not very good)
[13:21] <mungbean> my needs have changed now though
[13:21] <popey> I think 1994 was when I first tried Linux
[13:21] <mungbean> popey will be happy that i've finally settled on a DE
[13:21] <popey> when some fat beardy electronics student at college sold me about slackware
[13:22] <mungbean> after DE hopping for over a year
[13:22] <ali1234> if i can find the PC shopper cover CD with slackware on it, i could tell you exactly to the day when i first tried linux
[13:22] <popey> heh, I did think "nothing changes" when you said < mungbean> pretty sure i installed every DE
[13:22] <mungbean> :D
[13:22] <ali1234> well maybe not to the day since i don't know what day i bought it
[13:22] <popey> i found receipts in some of my old speccy magazines recently
[13:22] <popey> and speccy games
[13:23] <mungbean> i have a massive stash of linux magazine for about 5 years 2006-2011
[13:23] <mungbean> will probably end up in the recycling dump
[13:23] <ali1234> i had every amiga format from 1991 to like 2000
[13:23] <mungbean> don't have a local lug
[13:23] <ali1234> had to dump them
[13:24] <popey> i wish I hadn't ripped up my first copy of Ace
[13:24] <ali1234> probably could have sold them to a sucker on ebay
[13:24] <davmor2> Suse Linux 6.3 was my first dabble then corel linux and fedora core
[13:24] <mungbean> no longer like printed words
[13:24] <mungbean> did anyone make use of the zinio $50 of magazines offer
[13:25] <mungbean> also public libraries have free use of zinio magazines too, however my local one was mostly justin bieber mag and other dodgy ones
[13:27] <mungbean> just realised halifax home insurnace ripping me off to the tune of £500. comparethe market has a halifax similar one for £200pa
[13:27] <mungbean> scumbags
[13:30] <ali1234> ah here we go http://www.linuxmisc.com/4-linux/38e75905b498eddc.htm
[13:30] <ali1234> bet that was it
[13:31] <ali1234> first reply is moaning about GPL "nothing ever changes"
[13:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer sold several years of Linux Format on eBay - got a decent price IIRC.
[13:44] <popey> I should get rid of the boxes of copies of edge in the loft
[13:45] <ali1234> oh, that was from september 1994: http://www.oldlinux.org/Linux.old/mail-archive/linux-misc/Volume2/digest747, not march 1997 like the forum thing says
[13:50] <mungbean> TheOpenSourcerer: collection?
[13:50] <mungbean> collected by seller?
[13:50] <mungbean> ^buyer
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> No - he paid oodles for postage too. It was a few years ago.
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I used to have a contract with ParcelForce - so 48hr signed for, for anything up to about 50Kg was £8
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> My large stack of Custom PC and Golf Magazines are now acting as adjustable shelving for my Chilli plants: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111719964815344213369
[14:04] <directhex> heh, someone actually bought custom pc
[14:15] <dogmatic69_> Dont think money supermarket will be happy about this https://www.google.co.uk/compare/creditcard/qs#!profile=LEADING_CARDS
[14:16] <BigRedS> Oh wow
[14:16] <BigRedS> they get everywhere that google
[14:16] <dogmatic69_> ye
[14:16] <dogmatic69_> I was just searching for 'business creditcards' and that came up
[14:16] <dogmatic69_> well business ones, that is the normal ones.
[14:21] <popey> oooh
[15:02] <Laney> SNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> What a lunch... Bombay Bad Boy Pot Noodle followed by a handful of Smarties :-D
[15:05] <ali1234> yes, snow
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha ha: http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/02/world-trembles-in-confusion-andor-fear-at-irans-fiberglass-airplane/
[15:16] <ali1234> hmm is it just me or is that thing much too small?
[15:17] <mgdm> it's not just you
[15:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's hysterical - look at the pictures of the cockpit!
[15:20] <ali1234> it looks like if you put 10p in it it would gentle tip back and forth for a couple of minutes
[15:20] <directhex> see also http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-gifs-north-korean-rocket-launch.gif
[15:20] <ali1234> LOL
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> great.
[15:22] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: worse than the cockpit console is the distortion in the glass. The images where you can see through it make it look like some hot-formed acrylic or something
[15:22] <ali1234> otoh if it's made out of fibreglass and wood it probably is quite stealthy
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> especially as it will be very low. 0' above sea level I reckon
[15:22] <directhex> you'd never expect it
[15:22] <directhex> you know what else nobody expects?
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> All together now...
[15:23] <popey> where is the air intake on that thing?
[15:23] <BigRedS> above the wings, either side of the cockpit
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's the two little red bits
[15:23] <popey> ah
[15:23] <AlanBell> I think it would be quite exciting to fly
[15:23] <BigRedS> hence speculation that if it does indeed work it's a strike aircraft rather than a fighter
[15:23] <popey> looks funky
[15:23] <directhex> funny thing. the spanish inquisition were required to send notice of an impending visit 30 days in advance
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> I bet it would be very exciting if it flew!
[15:23] <popey> looks like a scout thing
[15:23] <directhex> i.e. everyone expects the spanish inquisition
[15:24] <AlanBell> lots of english language on it, looks like they bought an airfix model and scaled it up slightly
[15:24] <ali1234> i want to know why all the "danger" labels and "engine jetpipe cover" labels are in english
[15:24] <AlanBell> snap :)
[15:24] <directhex> ali1234, ebayed labels
[15:24] <BigRedS> Aviation basically works in English
[15:24] <ali1234> do they actually have engine jetpipe covers like that on real aircraft?
[15:24] <BigRedS> I'm still surprised the Iranians used English, but the Chinese do, for example
[15:25] <directhex> btw, it's not a jet. that's why it doesn't have things a jet needs, like adequate air intakes
[15:25] <directhex> it's levitation-based
[15:25] <directhex> alien tech
[15:26] <ali1234> i bet if you towed it behind a real plane you could get it to glide for a bit. at low altitude. before the wings snapped off.
[15:26] <ali1234> the tiny tiny wings
[15:26] <BigRedS> the wings aren't that crazy
[15:33] <amayer_> *going crazy* when is the next ubuntu-uk podcast?
[15:35] <AlanBell> BigRedS: without any calculations I would say that with those wings the landing speed is going to be pretty high, and those tyres and wheels might struggle to stop the thing in a reasonable distance
[15:36] <popey> hah
[15:36] <popey> amayer_: we're discussing it over curry on Sunday
[15:37] <amayer_> SWEET!
[15:42] <davmor2> amayer_: I don't know of many sweet curries, hot, spicy, mild yes but not sweet ;)
[15:42] <BigRedS> AlanBell: really? There's good potential for a lifting body there and the forward stubs. And it's going to weigh basically nothing
[15:44] <DJones> Hmmh, I guess Dell won't be producing any linux based machines in future, Michael Dell buying the company back financed in part by a $2 billion loan from Microsoft
[15:44] <AlanBell> it will take off without much problem if the forward stubs can point the nose up, I just think landing it might be a struggle
[15:45] <AlanBell> BigRedS: I used to do some modeling stuff so once upon a time I could do some of the maths on lift of scale models
[15:47] <popey> http://theniftyminidrive.com/
[15:47] <popey> they look cute
[15:47] <popey> wonder if someone else has made a non-mac-fanboy version
[15:48] <AlanBell> what is it?
[15:50] <AlanBell> heh, it is a short SD card because apple designed the SD card slot on the macbook air to be not deep enough
[15:50] <AlanBell> to be fair the slot on my samsung is too short too
[15:51] <popey> hmm.. just realised the one on my thinkpad is the "right size"
[15:52] <popey> wonder what the max capacity is it will read
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> the one on my Vaio fits an entire card as well
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> and the kernel can talk to it using a "native" protocol of some kind, so I guess it can take any size card the kernel likes, as long as the voltages are compatible
[15:54] <popey> 64GB seems to be the max capacity you can buy now?
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> I think someone made a 128GB one
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> but it might not be for sale yet
[15:55]  * MartijnVdS wonders if the Sony "Memory Stick" slot works in Linux
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> \o/ train-ircing
[15:56] <popey> choo choo
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> tunnels = lag :)
[15:59] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007PYBQKC/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=computers
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0084DWD6E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360079989&s=computers&sr=1-1
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> @Leiden.. \o
[16:20] <Third> I am trying to get some info on how to correct an issue of NO AUDIO on my Gateway 3522gz that i loaded ubunu on
[16:21] <Third> i have tried several commads that I found on other forum but no luck
[16:21] <dwatkins> what's the PCI ID of the audio card, Third?
[16:22] <Third> let me check and I will log back in....ok
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - Java (eclipse): ~600MB, Firefox: ~500MB, Thunderbird: ~300MB, Hotot: ~250MB!
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> And who was it that said 64K would be plenty ;-)
[16:45] <shauno> I suppose the kernel doesn't claim the minimum requirements are 4MB ram anymore either
[16:46] <mungbean> ARM profit up 20% this year
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - just as Dell signs a deal with Microsoft  - lol.
[16:47] <mungbean> i almost sold my arm shares @ 770p last month
[16:47] <mungbean> today they are 930p
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I would suggest ARM is a long term hold. Although this is not to be construde in anyway like financial advice
[16:48] <mungbean> i've held them since 1999
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> sell 2 shares and get back your original investment then ;-)
[16:49] <mungbean> unfortunately they were around the same price back then due to tech bubble
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah
[16:49] <mungbean> i wanted to buy when acorn was 6p
[16:49] <mungbean> but didn't have the means (sharedealing facility)
[16:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haven't done anything for ages. Used to have an account with Ameritrade in the US for NASDAQ but they closed that to foreigners.
[16:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Should really start investing a bit here and there again.
[16:51] <mungbean> i lost loads on some shares
[16:51] <mungbean> got burned
[16:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Me too!
[16:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's easy.
[16:51] <mungbean> share group (petrol - into administration, lost it all) , kewill systems (99% loss !)
[16:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I turned $4k into $15k then into $400
[16:51] <mungbean> hornby suffered this year due to olympics
[16:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> In about 4 years
[16:52] <mungbean> i turned 1k into 2k then zero in a day
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[16:52] <mungbean> (save group)
[16:52] <mungbean> hornby are a good buy still
[16:52]  * AlanBell has one share
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I know what that is
[16:53] <AlanBell> an exciting and dynamic startup that is going places :)
[16:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[17:26] <BigRedS> AlanBell: I attempted a BEng in Aero Eng, so once upon a time I could get the maths wrong :)
[17:27] <AlanBell> cool
[17:28] <brobostigon> how do i block a certain person from pm'ing me, a /ignore didnt work.
[17:28] <brobostigon> this is in irssi.
[17:29] <popey> you could real-world ignore them?
[17:29] <ali1234> harsh
[17:29] <brobostigon> popey: no this person will not listen to reason,
[17:29] <ali1234> reasoning != ignoring
[17:30] <popey> no, i mean, ignore them
[17:30] <popey> i.e. do not respond to anything they say
[17:30] <ali1234> if it's an unregistered spam bot, just set more +R
[17:30] <ali1234> blocks unregistered users from PMing you
[17:31] <ali1234> otoh, if t's a registered spammer... just get them banninated
[17:31] <brobostigon> popey: that is what i am doing now, but it is still annoying,
[17:31] <popey> they get the message eventually usually
[17:31] <popey> if you don't make the mistake of replying
[17:32] <ali1234> i dunno how you even get stalkers on the internet
[17:33] <brobostigon> popey: you would hope so, yes.
[17:41] <BigRedS> Anyone got any recommendations for someone to terminate some fibre in London?
[17:42] <xnox> i hope people are watching bbc parliament live today.
[17:45] <BigRedS> I'm not
[17:45] <BigRedS> I'm not really sure what I'd gain from watching it
[17:45] <popey> I am
[17:46] <popey> it's cemented my decision to never vote for my MP
[17:46] <popey> (not that I ever did)
[17:46] <diplo> BigRedS: When do you need it done?
[17:46] <diplo> I used to use a guy who travelled anywhere, not used him in a couple of years though
[17:46] <BigRedS> diplo: er, next few weeks I think. I'm asking on behalf of someone else
[17:47] <AlanBell> xnox: yes
[17:47] <diplo> I'll see if I have his number here, if not I can get for you tomorrow
[17:47] <BigRedS> diplo: ah, that'd be cool, thanks!
[17:48] <xnox> BigRedS: you do which bill is debated today right?!
[17:48] <xnox> BigRedS: you do know which bill is debated today right?!
[17:49] <diplo> Not in my gmail contacts, will ask for you tomorrow :)
[17:50] <shauno> appears I don't get BBC Parliament.  I have a bunch of paddies asking questions about lovely juicy horse burgers on Oireachtas TV instead :(
[17:51] <AlanBell> xnox: I have been dipping in and out of it, we have a real mixed bag of MPs
[17:51] <xnox> AlanBell: I joined late, will watch it again from the beginning.
[17:53] <BigRedS> xnox: yeah
[17:53] <BigRedS> what do I gain from watching the debate?
[17:53] <BigRedS> diplo: ta!
[17:54] <xnox> BigRedS: for me, whether i'm gonna stay in this country or not.
[17:55]  * MartijnVdS remembers it being a big deal in .nl years ago... now nobody cares
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> (because it's so normal)
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> (except in rural hyper-christian areas)
[17:56] <BigRedS> xnox: surely that's dependent on the outcome more than the process?
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: by watching BBC Parliament, he can get a head start packing his bags
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: (or not)
[17:56] <AlanBell> the thing is with these debates is I don't think any of them change their mind ever
[17:57] <BigRedS> haha
[17:57] <AlanBell> not just this debate, but any of them
[17:57] <shauno> The one I'm keeping my eye on is all this noise about leaving the EU.  I've already left the country, but if they mess that up, I lose my ability to live in many places
[17:57] <AlanBell> they decide which way they are voting, then stand up and tell each other how they are voting then do what they would have done anyway
[17:57] <xnox> it also has funny comments & some value of entertainment ;-)
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's the same here.. they've all made up their minds beforehand.. they're just there to make sure everyone knows how they feel
[17:58] <BigRedS> xnox: Ah yeah, I get that from an entertainment perspective. Like watching the football.
[17:58] <BigRedS> but it's a process that can only realistically make me angry :)
[17:58] <BigRedS> so I'll avoid it
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: BigGreenSHulk
[17:58] <BigRedS> haha
[17:58] <AlanBell> I would like it if every so often you heard them say "good point", or "actually, you are right"
[17:59] <xnox> BigRedS: yeah, i'm indifferent about football
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O90nfczjNHA <-- this might help with that ;)
[17:59] <BigRedS> I'd like it if they had a debate, then went away to think about it for a bit, and then came back and made a decision
[17:59] <BigRedS> doing it this way can only possibly get everyone riled up and hold whatever opinion they came in with even stronger before asking them to vote
[18:00] <BigRedS> it's more a way for us the people to get a detailled explanation of their view than it is a debate
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it makes for more "one-issue voters" in the country, which helps to keep everything the way it is
[18:00] <BigRedS> yeah
[18:01] <czajkowski> shauno: why would it affect places you can live?
[18:02] <shauno> because many countries I only have a right to live & work because I'm an EU citizen
[18:02] <czajkowski> ah I always thought you were irish given the nick tbh
[18:03] <shauno> I do have an irish name.  and live here, which was a fun coincidence.  but a UK passport and no direct herritage
[18:03] <czajkowski> oh
[18:05] <xnox> nobody seems to think about asking the opinion of eu citizens in the uk & uk citizens in eu (but outside of uk)
[18:05] <shauno> I think it's 4 or 5 generations removed.  not close enough to apply for an irish passport
[18:06] <shauno> but I would if I could.  I consider myself a european first and british second.  and it's mind-boggling to even consider that someone else could change that for me
[18:07] <BigRedS> xnox: surely UK citizens abroad would be included in any referendum?
[18:07] <xnox> shauno: how many years have you been in ireland?
[18:07] <xnox> BigRedS: sure, but legislations should aim to protect minorities.
[18:08] <BigRedS> that would be nice in general, but I'm not sure it's a necessary property
[18:08] <BigRedS> sometimes legislation is specifically made against a minority
[18:08] <BigRedS> you'd hope that rather than against the majority
[18:08] <shauno> seven.  but I lived in the US before that.  I haven't lived in the UK since 2002
[18:09] <xnox> shauno: seven > 5, get irish permament residence under EU rights. If uk's eu policy changes you will have an option to get irish passport to maintain eu right and uk (as i daubt irish ->uk relationship will change much)
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> xnox: UK will just take over Ireland again :P
[18:13] <BigRedS> I think we've roughly the same claim to Ireland as Argentina has to the Falklands
[18:13] <BigRedS> "It's close to us"
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and there's the whole painful history bit
[18:15] <nucc1> hi guys, is /etc/resolv.conf supposed to be a symlink to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> nucc1: if resolvconv is running, yes
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> running/being used
[18:15] <nucc1> MartijnVdS, the problem i'm facing is that resolvconf doesn't get updated when i log into an ssl vpn
[18:16] <nucc1> firefox says Warning, resolv.conf isn't a symlink...
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> nucc1: hmm.. with my OpenVPN it works fine
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> nucc1: do you connect from the "Connection" menu in the GUI?
[18:17] <nucc1> MartijnVdS, i use the browser. its not possible to use NM, afaik
[18:17] <nucc1> i don't think its openvpn or ipsec.
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> so.. you run the browser as root?
[18:17] <nucc1> no, browser as my normal user.
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> how else are you routing traffic through it/
[18:17] <nucc1> i think it creates a ppp0 interface.
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> from the browser?
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> Weird!
[18:18] <nucc1> no, a browser plugin
[18:18] <nucc1> yeap, it creates a ppp0 interface and configures it appropriately
[18:18] <nucc1> it appears to be PPTP
[18:19] <nucc1> but i suppose i'd need the necessary parameters to be able to use NM.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> and you're sure it doesn't run as root? because users shuoldn't be able to do that..
[18:19] <nucc1> that's the rub. i've been able to do this until january 16 of this year.
[18:19] <nucc1> i'm not sure if a firefox update broke it
[18:19] <nucc1> but i reverted to v16.x and the firefox plugin wouldn't work, so i reinstalled 18.x
[18:23] <nucc1> the plugin did require root privileges to install, so i guess that takes care of it
[18:27] <nucc1> its probably a plugin issue with firefox 18.
[18:27] <nucc1> :(
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> those MPs do get their exercise don't they
[19:42]  * Myrtti backed the compression socks ♥ 
[19:47] <Azelphur> sigh, waited 3 months for openreach to turn up, they was supposed to come today, got nothing :(
[20:16] <daftykins> Azelphur: =/ gits
[20:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:21] <daftykins> got my new place today :) keys in hand \o/
[20:22] <daftykins> so commenceth the sorting it out
[20:22] <daftykins> even went mattress and sofa shopping 8D
[20:22]  * AlanBell has fire
[20:22] <daftykins> D:
[20:22] <daftykins> y'gonna call BT to complain?
[20:23] <daftykins> Azelphur: ^
[20:25] <Azelphur> I called talktalk, I didn't think BT would be any use
[20:25] <daftykins> oic the service itself isn't from them, my bad
[20:25] <Azelphur> yea
[20:25] <daftykins> had a clients VDSL install monday, went nicely :>
[20:26] <daftykins> the dude had a cancellation so he even called up to try and come early
[20:26] <Azelphur> talktalk said openreach was scheduled to come out today and they don't have any information yet :(
[20:26] <daftykins> so i had to delay him :D
[20:26] <Azelphur> lol
[20:26] <daftykins> =[ that sucks
[20:26] <daftykins> funny part with this one mind, is that the routers apparently come from a third party company
[20:26] <daftykins> possibly in England even
[20:27] <Azelphur> fun
[20:27] <daftykins> so said client has his 40/2 service sat there waiting - but no router
[20:27] <daftykins> pain++
[20:27] <daftykins> good fun chatting to the engineer though, i got him to fiddle around to get the sync stats nice and top
[20:28] <Azelphur> :D
[21:07] <directhex> 40/2? a pauper's connection!
[21:07] <directhex> for poor peasants!
[21:07] <directhex> i wouldn't sully my bottom by wiping it with 2mbit of upstream
[21:08] <ali1234> i wish i had 2mbit of upstream
[21:08] <ali1234> that's what i'm paying for damnit
[21:08] <ali1234> i actually get about 400k
[21:09] <directhex> i get about 15 up
[21:12] <directhex> aha, wondered why i was only getting 17 down... am on 11g not gigabit ^_^
[21:12] <directhex> 75 down, that's better
[21:12] <directhex> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2488668640.png
[21:12] <daftykins> directhex: pretty impressive for an island, plus an island that only released ADSL in 2004
[21:13] <daftykins> plus 40/2 is just the first domestic VDSL service, so it'll ramp up fo shiz
[21:24] <directhex> ... mine's on an island
[21:24] <popey> \o/ island life
[21:25] <daftykins> sigh
[21:25] <daftykins> ooh reminds me, a mate shared a great link
[21:26] <daftykins> http://submarine-cable-map-2013.telegeography.com/
[21:26] <daftykins> undersea fibre links map!
[21:31] <mgdm> daftykins: which island?
[21:32] <daftykins> Guernsey
[21:32] <mgdm> ah
[21:32] <daftykins> aka "no you can't buy a Nexus device land" - Google
[21:54] <popey> daftykins: have you tried ordering one? what happens?
[21:55]  * popey has one in his basket and could type in a Guernsey address to test
[21:55] <daftykins> popey: well, the site blocks me from even viewing based on geoIP. i...
[21:55] <daftykins> ah ty :) may i PM test details?
[21:55] <popey> sure
[21:55] <bigcalm> daftykins: proxy!
[21:56] <daftykins> bigcalm: yeah, none i trust even behind SSL to log into my gmail though
[21:56] <daftykins> i suppose i could fiddle with TOR and set a UK endpoint
[21:56] <daftykins> but. meh
[21:56] <bigcalm> daftykins: friends of mine in Canada and Hong Kong used me as a proxy. I know the HK friend used me for ordering a Nexus
[21:57] <shauno> why's tor any more trustworthy?  you still have to pray the exitnode isn't nosey
[21:58] <daftykins> shauno: absolutely, i know this, but i mean versus some of the web 'forwarders' that you can find for free via google. which i used recently just to 'see' the page. though granted those likely don't handle SSL
[21:59] <bigcalm> daftykins: find a friend willing to let you use them as a proxy
[22:00] <daftykins> i was only really going to splurge on one on a whim tbh, it's more the principle of the matter i was challenging Google Support on
[22:00] <daftykins> but i think they're all thinking with a combination of US'ers who don't understand the Channel Islands relationship with England, plus that of only giving me scripted responses
[22:00] <shauno> good luck with that.  support isn't their strong point
[22:00] <daftykins> indeed ;)
[22:02] <shauno> had a broken cert that made a lot of their sites unusable here a few months back.  they kept blaming my end until we managed to show that it even affected their dublin office's public wifi
[22:02] <popey> they do 32GB ones now
[22:02] <daftykins> :O
[22:03] <daftykins> i am disappointed at the lack of microSD in the N4
[22:04] <popey> i am generally disappointed by the nexus 4
[22:05] <daftykins> ja?
[22:05] <popey> unimpressive
[22:06] <popey> a bit meh
[22:06] <daftykins> i think it's not too far off my HTC Desire to justify the expense if i'm honest with myself
[22:06] <daftykins> just far too tempted for that retail 'something new and shiny' therapy ;)
[22:07] <bigcalm> Quite glad that the SGS3 has be sated on that front
[22:07] <daftykins> am i right in thinking the popularity of them in here of late is as a future base for running ubuntu's phone OS on - or is it coincidence?
[22:07] <daftykins> bigcalm: what's it been?
[22:08] <bigcalm> daftykins: what's what been?
[22:08] <daftykins> your sentence didn'y make sense to me
[22:08] <daftykins> s/y/t/
[22:08] <bigcalm> Oh
[22:09] <bigcalm> I'm a sucker for buying new things as well. I have 2 Viglen MPC-L and an Acer Revo because of it (thanks Popey!)
[22:09] <daftykins> :D
[22:10] <bigcalm> But since I've owned the Samsung Galaxy SIII, I haven't had the urge to splurge
[22:10] <daftykins> :)
[22:10] <daftykins> they're nice phones those, i just know that if i had one right now, i wouldn't really be doing anything with it i can't do now on my older HTC Desire
[22:10] <daftykins> plus as i get asked to setup smartphones for people, i get the benefit of having the unboxing fun without the downside of paying :D
[22:11] <daftykins> but yes, instead of gadgets it's now time for fun things like - plumbing, electric work, a mattress and sofa to be bought :)
[22:13] <popey> Having had an iPhone 4S and now a Nexus 4. I am tempted to put the SIM back in the iPhone
[22:13] <daftykins> a friend of mine who was always on the iPhones seems to love web browsing performance on the N4 vs. his 4S
[22:14] <daftykins> not sure if that's with the simple webkit or chrome vs. safari mobile, mind you
[22:14] <popey> theres still too many things about android which irritate me
[22:15] <daftykins> any examples? i'm curious from a useability perspective
[22:16] <popey> the back button doesn't do what you expect it to
[22:16] <popey> the soft buttons have stopped working for me twice now
[22:16] <popey> I have had apps lock up so I have to hold the power down to shut it down
[22:16] <popey> the screen is too big
[22:16] <popey> the power button is in a dumb place
[22:16] <popey> the usb port is upside down
[22:17] <daftykins> soft buttons was definitely a risky move
[22:17] <daftykins> i have ICS on my HP Touchpad and i don't really like the implementation at all, versus my old HTC running a gingerbread Cyanogenmod - but which has hardware buttons
[22:18] <popey> iplayer frequently breaks or just stops working, video quality in it is _awful_
[22:19] <third> hello'
[22:19] <daftykins> hi
[22:21] <third> i am looking for some help with an ubuntu audio problem on my gateway 3522gz
[22:21] <daftykins> ask away
[22:21] <third> i hS 10.10 I BELEIVE AND UPGRADED and now no audio
[22:22] <popey> 10.10 is a bit dated
[22:22] <third> i  had
[22:22] <daftykins> so you went 10.10 -> how far?
[22:23] <third> ithink its 12.04.1 lts
[22:23] <daftykins> 'cat /etc/lsb-release' in a terminal can confirm
[22:25] <third> gateway@gateway-3522GZ:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=12.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS"
[22:26] <daftykins> that's a fairly old laptop, yeah?
[22:27] <third> yes it is
[22:27] <daftykins> looks like intel ICH4 audio
[22:27] <third> but was running so good on  the 10.10
[22:28] <daftykins> oh, integrated ADI 1981B audio according to a gateway site
[22:28] <third> i guess i should have left it alone huh?
[22:29] <daftykins> bug 1051494
[22:29] <bigcalm> third: it's nice to keep up to date when you can. But as hardware ages, the software won't always be able to support it. This is how we make progress :)
[22:30] <bigcalm> At 5 years, Ubuntu has a fairly impressive support plan
[22:30] <daftykins> third: are you comfy at the command line to grep dmesg for 'alsa-restore' ?
[22:31] <third> uh i am not , but willing to try
[22:31] <daftykins> "dmesg | grep -i alsa-restore" in a terminal might do it
[22:32] <daftykins> if you get "init: alsa-restore main process (918) terminated with status 19" you have the problem in that bug, most likely
[22:33] <third> it took the command but still no audio
[22:33] <daftykins> did it spit out a line?
[22:34] <third> no
[22:34] <daftykins> ah ok, best someone with more experience takes over
[22:34] <daftykins> i found that bug but i can't really confirm it's what's affecting you
[22:36] <third> oh thats to bad
[22:37] <daftykins> hang on a sec, think i know someone who knows this one
[22:37] <daftykins> ah, nuts he's not online
[22:37] <third> hmmm ok
[22:38] <daftykins> in my google of "ubuntu 12.04" and the code of that analog devices (ADI) sound chip, this other page came up:
[22:38] <daftykins> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/208703
[22:38] <daftykins> 'actionparsnip' who is on there is sometimes in #ubuntu
[22:38] <daftykins> admittedly that guy has a thinkpad, not a gateway, but he seems to get him going
[22:39] <third> i seen that in my searching , but didnt understand it
[22:39] <daftykins> yeah it might be unrelated sadly =/
[22:39] <daftykins> i'm really no experienced ubuntu user though
[22:40] <daftykins> so someone else might be able to give you a hand
[22:41] <ali1234> popey: i'll have that nexus 4 if you don't want it
[22:41] <third> so does anyone else hav any ideas about no audio on gareway 3522gz with ubuntu 12.04.1
[22:42] <ali1234> make sure it's not muted, check *all* the mixers with alsamixer, not the panel applet
[22:42] <ali1234> check independent HP
[22:42] <ali1234> and then file a bug
[22:43] <third> in alsamixer how can u tell if anything is muted
[22:43] <ali1234> if it says 00 or MM it's muted
[22:44] <ali1234> notice that it also scrolls to the right
[22:44] <ali1234> use arrow keys
[22:44] <third> ok i see several mm
[22:44] <ali1234> you may need to unmute several things and also toggle some switches
[22:44] <ali1234> start some music playing on a loop and fiddle
[22:44] <ali1234> unmute everything, toggle all switches
[22:45] <ali1234> M unmutes
[22:45] <ali1234> m key that is
[22:46] <ali1234> also try plugging in headphones if you have them
[22:46] <ali1234> sometimes it gets stuck on only outputting to headphones
[22:47] <ali1234> do you have two sliders, one for master and one for headphone?
[22:50] <third> i do and pushed them all th way up
[22:51] <third> tried to play a file
[22:51] <third> no audio
[22:52] <third> do i have to save th chnges some how
[22:58] <third> hello
[22:59] <third> do i need to close and reboot
[23:00] <third> :o(
[23:02] <popey> ali1234: I'll wait till we have a n4 image for ubuntu phone ☺
[23:03] <ali1234> i've never used anything but cyanogenmod but i wouldn't be surprised if it was more reliable than whatever they sell the things with
[23:04] <ali1234> actually that's not true, my nexus 7 has vanilla on it
[23:04] <ali1234> it does crash a fair bit though
[23:04] <ali1234> usually from youtube app
[23:04] <ali1234> i think the hardware video decoding is buggy
[23:06] <third> hello anyone else have any ideas on no audio with ubuntu 12.04.1 on a gateway 3522gz
[23:08] <popey> third:  if you get no luck here, try #ubuntu which is the official support channel
[23:28] <dogmatic69> anyone have issues with flash on 12.04 x64 in the last couple updates?
[23:29] <dogmatic69> suddenly chrome does not show videos etc with 'plugin not loaded' or similar error
[23:30] <ali1234> i've heard of that problem
[23:30] <ali1234> don't know a fix
[23:31] <dogmatic69> I tried a few things. but all the help just says 'chrome comes with flash, dont need to do anything'
[23:44] <dogmatic69> ali1234: got it working again