[01:47] <chris_> Anyone any luck with nvidia cards in 13.04
[02:04] <sirriffsalot_> What's the difference between the LTS releases and the ones between?
[02:04] <sirriffsalot_> In this case 12.04 and 12.10?
[03:05] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: lots of package versions
[03:05] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: 12.04 is supported (officially by canonnical) for 5 years... 12.10, for 18 months
[03:06] <holstein> i believe XFCE had a decent rev going to 12.10
[03:06] <holstein> what am i using? 12.04. and i likely will til the next LTS (on my production machine(
[03:06] <holstein> is there any reason *not* to run 12.10? no
[03:07] <holstein> i have used/installed/tested 12.10, and its great
[03:11] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: yeah but does the regular updates differ at all from those "lots of package versions" you mentioned? What would be the point of going to 12.10?
[03:11] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: ?
[03:11] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: im not sure i understand
[03:11] <sirriffsalot_> Nvm hehe
[03:11] <holstein> think of 12.04 as "frozen"
[03:12] <sirriffsalot_> Aha
[03:12] <holstein> it gets updates.. to those versions
[03:12] <holstein> for example.. the kernel
[03:12] <holstein> you will stay on basically the same kernel version, with security updates with 12.04.. and 12.10 for that matter
[03:13] <holstein> the opposite of a "rolling release"
[03:13] <sirriffsalot_> Uhm.. I've got a laptop with raid.. For some reason I can't boot a livecd anymore, it always gets stuck at saying /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
[03:13] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: got it :)
[03:13] <holstein> if you want the "latest and greatest".. you need to upgrade to the latest versions
[03:13] <holstein> though, ubuntu is never really considered "bleeding edge"
[03:13] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: latest is usually malfunctional..
[03:13] <holstein> you can all ppa's though
[03:13] <holstein> !ppa
[03:13] <holstein> you can add*
[03:13] <sirriffsalot_> Yeah :)
[03:13] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: the lastes is tested
[03:13] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: all are tested
[03:14] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: if you experience "malfuntion" that is not due to configuration, its likely due to hardware support
[03:16] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: could be that your raid controller drivers are dropped in the latest kernel
[03:16] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: could be the lowlatency kernel is not supporting your raid controller
[03:17] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: how would I go about resetting this? cause I can't get to the raid configuration any longer.. just goes straight into grub now
[03:17] <sirriffsalot_> Does not allow me to ented raid setup
[03:18] <holstein> i dont know anything aoubt your configuration, or what RAID you have, or want, or want to "reset", but i would just use a live CD that works and do what needs to be done
[03:24] <sirriffsalot_> From the one hard-disk that works of the two (I planned to install testing distros on the other hdd) I can boot into, the other I now deleted and made unallocated with gparted.. Now the live image only displays /dev/sda1, and not sdb1 anymore, but still freezes
[03:25] <holstein> depends on how your raid is/was setup...
[03:25] <holstein> i dont use raid
[03:26] <sirriffsalot_> It wasn't setup, that's the point
[03:26]  * holstein shrugs
[03:26] <holstein> if it wasnt/isnt setup, then just redo it
[03:26] <sirriffsalot_> But now for some reason I can't get into the raid setup which by default now that I attempted install onther hard disk, which failed :P
[03:26] <holstein> if its a software raid, you'll have to set that up again
[03:27] <holstein> if its hardware, then, it should just show up.. but you'll need to know how it is setup
[03:27] <holstein> what would i do? disable the raid.. install.. use.. enjoy
[03:27] <sirriffsalot_> It was disabled.. I'll get a slax image up and see if I can boot live with that
[03:28] <holstein> was? or is?
[03:28] <sirriffsalot_> Was
[03:28] <holstein> if its disabled, then just ignore it.. if its enabled, then you'll need to set it up
[03:28] <holstein> if its not setup , then i think that is the point..
[03:30] <sirriffsalot_> I attempted to install ubuntu studio on one hard disk and now bodhi on the other
[03:30] <sirriffsalot_> I'll try slax and get back to you
[03:31] <holstein> cool.. enjoy!.. bodhi is nice
[03:32] <sirriffsalot_> Well let's see if I can make it happen.. :)
[03:32] <sirriffsalot_> Yeah, getting a bit bored with ubuntu studio thb.. no offence
[03:34] <sirriffsalot_> tbh*
[03:35] <sirriffsalot_> Also it seems that ubuntu studio + my computer makes for insane gui latency in A3.. Gonna try other ones to see if it is in fact a distribution problem of some kind, because it's starting  to look like it
[03:48] <sirriffsalot_> Hellyea, slax works
[03:54] <holstein> well, A3 is A3
[03:54] <holstein> i would look into the kernels and graphics drivers
[03:55] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: yeah, ubuntustudio is a community project, so it really is a boring as you let it be
[03:56] <holstein> not you personally, of course, but us... the community
[03:56] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: I've done that mate.. everything
[03:56] <sirriffsalot_> Except what works obviously
[03:56] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: im not saying "in ubuntu"
[03:57] <holstein> what im saying is, if you experience a lag in A3, you might want to try live CD's and see if a *totally* different graphics driver renders a different experience
[03:57] <holstein> *or*, wait til its not beta
[03:58] <holstein> i ran A3 from the avlinux live CD... looked OK
[03:58] <sirriffsalot_> Yeah, trying the same, livecd:P
[03:58] <sirriffsalot_> Avlinux had just the same issue
[03:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: what im proposing is.. A3 has the same "issue"
[03:58] <holstein> the biggest being, its not out yet
[04:04] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: also, its interesting to note that A3 was ok for me.. pointing at something with A3 and your particular graphics hardware under linux
[04:04] <sirriffsalot_> nvidia does the trick ;)
[04:04] <holstein> the biggest difference in AVlinux and ubuntustudio now is just going to be the package versions... and some of the config that AVdoes
[04:05] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: well, when you've shopped around, and end up landing on some OS, maybe its ubuntu, maybe not.. keep in mind, A3 is the same everywhere
[13:36] <zequence> holstein: Whatever works with -generic will always work with -lowlatency (re: raid stuff)
[22:10] <famax8> hi?
[22:10] <famax8> anyone here?
[22:12] <holstein> !ask
[22:12] <holstein> famax8: ^^
[22:15] <famax8> holstein: hey mate how are you?
[22:20] <holstein> famax8: not bad, and you?
[22:20] <famax8> holstein: well i got USt 12.10 crashing with internet is that a known issue? firefox or chrome same problem - chrome i was trying to upload ans firefox nothing special just browsing - never got through the sites just google and it crashes causing blackscreen and forced reboot - the rest works fine ardour still a bit annoying but i did record and i am sorting out remastering
[22:21] <famax8> holstein: im good thanks - hows sunny west coast tho? getting any snow?? ^^
[22:22] <holstein> nah
[22:23] <holstein> i use it sometimes in 12.04, and it tested fine in 12.10
[22:23] <holstein> what uploader? some flash uploader?
[22:23] <famax8> eh.. no the one that is in the browser
[22:24] <famax8> nothing added
[22:24] <holstein> famax8: you mean, downloader?
[22:24] <holstein> famax8: what im asking is, what uploader? some flash applet?
[22:24] <holstein> flash is still shaky sometimes, though i never get a black screen
[22:24] <holstein> !tty
[22:24] <famax8> but the other time it happened it was only browsing not even uploading - only comon point, it happened when i right click and click "open in a new tab"
[22:24] <holstein> i would see if you can get to tty next time
[22:25] <holstein> look for and apply upgrades
[22:25] <holstein> see if you can replicate it with a live session
[22:25] <holstein> make a new user and test
[22:25] <famax8> tty?
[22:26] <holstein> !tty
[22:26] <holstein> that'll get you to a terminal
[22:26] <holstein> you can sudo shutdown -h or sudo rebbot
[22:26] <holstein> reboot*
[22:27] <holstein> this will tell you if x has crashed, or if the system is locked up or what
[22:27] <famax8> holstein: when is black screen?
[22:27] <holstein> famax8: you said "it crashes and causes blackscreen"
[22:27] <holstein> famax8: i dont get black screens
[22:28] <holstein> famax8: if i do, i first try tty
[22:28] <famax8> hols
[22:28] <famax8> holstein: black screen as screen goes all black and i can not do anything i need to physically press the button on the pc to turn it off
[22:28] <holstein> famax8: sure.. but you havent tried tty
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: when the screen goes black, i try tty
[22:29] <famax8> not at all shall i do it now or when i get that blackscreen?
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: then, i know if its actually locked up and all i can do is hold the powerbutton down
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: ?
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: do what?
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: tty?
[22:29] <famax8> ok so ctrl=alt=f1-6
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: i suggest trying tty when you think the machine is locked up
[22:29] <famax8> when screen is black
[22:29] <famax8> ok yes thank you :)
[22:29] <holstein> famax8: you are assuming that all you can do is hold the powerbutton
[22:29] <famax8> let me try ot crash it again
[22:30] <famax8> because i tried ctrl=alt=del or enter or space only
[23:24] <famax8> argh
[23:24] <famax8> not crashing anymore