[00:20] <ner0x> I think it's time for a new IRC client. Any suggestions? (Not using KDE or Gnome obviously)
[00:23] <well_laid_lawn> I like weechat
[00:25] <ochosi> irssi <3
[00:25] <koegs> screen + irssi
[00:25] <ner0x> I might just go back to irssi.
[00:25] <ner0x> koegs: That was what I was thinking.
[00:26] <koegs> got it running on my virtual-server, connect from anyhere
[01:52] <Cheri703> I'm late for the irc client conversation, but I'm using Quassel and love it :)
[03:11] <ironhoof> Ok I just got done helping install xubuntu there was updates, then a graphics driver, everything was fine install inkscape vlc and it asked him to reboot which I thought was odd on reboot got a Stopping Runlevel V error
[03:11] <ironhoof> said [ok] but it doesnt do anything
[03:12] <Cheri703> I don't have an answer to the problem, but I installed both of those and had no errors, so it might be unique to your system?
[03:12] <ironhoof> I was reading I had him delete his .xauthority files
[03:13] <ironhoof> The smaller one we did last night works, so it could be the drive is bad?
[03:14] <holstein> ironhoof:  i would remove the graphics driver
[03:15] <holstein> ironhoof: it will not hurt to test the driver
[03:15] <ironhoof> its an ati driver whats the terminal command?
[03:15] <holstein> drive*.. the hard drive
[03:15] <holstein> !ati
[03:16] <ironhoof> okay giving it a read
[03:17] <ironhoof> okay we found out what did it we installed VLC on the working mahcine and rebooted and its doingit now too
[03:19] <holstein> ironhoof: i have VLC.. i install VLC regularly, and though, i dont maintain it, i can pretty much guarantee its not your issue
[03:19] <holstein> ironhoof: if you think it is,...
[03:19] <holstein> !tty
[03:20] <ironhoof> okay, reading
[03:20] <holstein> and "sudo apt-get autoremove vlc" ...or use the recovery root console at boot
[03:21] <ironhoof> oke had him sudo apt-get remove vlc
[03:21] <holstein> you can try booting an older kernel
[03:21] <ironhoof> just removing it worked...
[03:21] <ironhoof> back in a desktop
[03:22] <holstein> removing vlc?
[03:22] <ironhoof> yes
[03:22] <holstein> theres nothing in vlc though... nothing to break your desktop
[03:22] <ironhoof> I dont know...
[03:22] <holstein> well, we dont ship it, so dont use it if its causing issues..
[03:23] <holstein> i'll see if i can replicate it.. look for a bug, and file one if not, and throw me the #
[03:23] <ironhoof> alright, holding off on that one im using the same thing and it works on my computer, xubuntu is install on a 20gig external on his machine
[03:24] <ironhoof> We will check the error log in a min, im having him do the larger drive too.
[03:24] <holstein> "do the larger drive" ?
[03:24] <holstein> you mean, purge vlc in another install?
[03:24] <ironhoof> yea repeat the removal step for VLC
[03:25] <ironhoof> he is using 2 drives one is a 10gig which is kind of cramped, so we dug out a 20 we just fixed the 10 now trying the 20
[03:39] <ironhoof> How much space should be allocated for the root /
[03:39] <ironhoof> ?
[03:55] <holstein> ironhoof: i would just let the installer do it
[03:55] <holstein> especially if you are tight on space
[04:05] <ironhoof> Yea I just asked him if he would like to but apparently the drive is IDE compater Sata, I think a larger drive might solve his problems,
[04:06] <holstein> ironhoof: typically takes me about 8 minutes to install ubuntu versions
[04:07] <ironhoof> Yea it goes well but on / partition i had him enter 4400MB I know some tutorials said 15GB
[04:07] <holstein> ironhoof: i would just let the install do it
[04:07] <holstein> ironhoof: i would have it all in one partition plus swap
[04:08] <ironhoof> will it do externall if the internal is unplugged
[04:08] <holstein> then, you dont have to worry about splitting that space up
[04:08] <holstein> ironhoof: "it" will do whatever you want it to
[04:08] <holstein> but if your friend is a beginner, i would do default.. one hard drive... easy.. stock
[04:10] <ironhoof> Ok, he jsut sent me all the error logs from that drive, He is a beginner and im helping him over voice chat. I told him just let the installer do it manually this time
[04:10] <ironhoof> or automated*
[04:35] <ironhoof> for compatibility should use ia32-libs?
[05:05] <BlackNeko> hi
[05:06] <BlackNeko> anyone know if i can install a xubuntu distro up to another older xubuntu distro not formating?
[05:07] <holstein> BlackNeko: do you have to format the disc to blow out the existing install?
[05:07] <holstein> no.. but you might want to.. will reinstalling remove your data? it should
[05:08] <BlackNeko> dont
[05:08] <BlackNeko> no
[05:08] <holstein> BlackNeko: what you want to do, if you are asking 'how can i upgrade and keep my data' is, just backup your data, and fresh install, and put your data back
[05:08] <holstein> OR, just follow the upgrade in the upate manager
[05:08] <BlackNeko> i have xubuntu distro that get error upgrading and i need reinstall
[05:09] <BlackNeko> but i cant format because i have a lo of movies in there xD
[05:09] <BlackNeko> i follow the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 and get a apt-get bug
[05:09] <holstein> well, its ok.. this will be a great time to backup your data, since that hard drive *will* fail, and you'll need a backup plan
[05:09] <holstein> BlackNeko: there is not apt-get bug that im aware of
[05:09] <BlackNeko> that dont let me finish the upgrade or install nothing
[05:09] <holstein> BlackNeko: i would just stay on 12.04
[05:10] <BlackNeko> is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1015567
[05:10] <holstein> BlackNeko: i think thats an upgrade bug
[05:10] <BlackNeko> ok srry
[05:11] <holstein> i always do a fresh install.. i would suggest either repairing what you got, or fresh install after backup
[05:11] <BlackNeko> that bug have no solution so i have to reinstall xubuntu
[05:11] <holstein> either way, backing up is something you need to do if you want to keep that data. since *all* hard drives fail
[05:11] <BlackNeko> but i cant format my harddisk =(
[05:11] <holstein> BlackNeko: you can
[05:11] <holstein> BlackNeko: you are choosing not to, but you will when that hard drive fails
[05:11] <holstein> and it will
[05:12] <BlackNeko> no i dont i have almost 1 tera of data i cant lost!
[05:12] <holstein> so, you might as well make a plan (which is needed) for *when* that hard drive fais
[05:12] <holstein> fails*
[05:12] <holstein> BlackNeko: you dont understand
[05:12] <BlackNeko> you i know you right i have to buy another and do some backups
[05:12] <holstein> BlackNeko: you *will* lose it
[05:12] <BlackNeko> yes*
[05:12] <holstein> BlackNeko: that data *will* get lost. that hard driver *will* fail
[05:12] <holstein> drive*
[05:13] <BlackNeko> yes i know you roght i have see it and see ppl crying Xd
[05:14] <BlackNeko> ubt that i ask is if i can do something like delete xubuntu file and try fresh install not formating?
[05:14] <holstein> so, you need to backup, and during that process, you can easily reinstall and recover from the backups
[05:14] <BlackNeko> but*
[05:14] <holstein> BlackNeko: not that i know of, or would trust without backing up my data first
[05:14] <BlackNeko> ok
[05:14] <BlackNeko> ;_;
[05:15] <BlackNeko> damn bug
[05:15] <BlackNeko> have more than 4 month and they put it like solve
[05:15] <holstein> BlackNeko: we dont know that you have a bug
[05:15] <BlackNeko> and its dont
[05:15] <BlackNeko> =(
[05:16] <BlackNeko> i am not the only person with that bug
[05:16] <holstein> BlackNeko: you could have a failing hard drive... you could have had an interrupted upgrade
[05:16] <BlackNeko> i show you the bug description is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1015567
[05:16] <holstein> BlackNeko: one *ever* upgrade or do anything like that to a system without backups
[05:16] <holstein> BlackNeko: im just saying, you dont know that that is the cause for certain
[05:16] <BlackNeko> yes i know you rigt
[05:16] <BlackNeko> right
[05:17] <BlackNeko> but i have 1 tera and harddisk are not cheap =(
[05:17] <holstein> BlackNeko: either way, i would take it as a learning experience, and backup.. since you will lost that data.. reinsatll, and recover
[05:17] <holstein> BlackNeko: what is the cost of that data you are storing only in one place?
[05:17] <BlackNeko> a lot
[05:18] <BlackNeko> university proyect, my tesis, movies, all my picture, etc
[05:18] <holstein> you dont have to backup to another terabyte drive.. could be anything.. dvd's.. bluerays
[05:18] <BlackNeko> is like 1 tera
[05:18] <holstein> BlackNeko: you can think of that as retorical.. and if the answer is something like "a lot more than what a backups solution costs" then, think it over
[05:19] <BlackNeko> i dont trust bluray or dvd for bachup
[05:19] <BlackNeko> i have bad experience with dvd lost
[05:19] <holstein> BlackNeko: right now, you are trusting nothing
[05:19] <holstein> BlackNeko: you *will* have a bad experience when that drive fails
[05:19] <BlackNeko> right now i need a fresh install and donde have money for harddisk almost this month
[05:20] <BlackNeko> >,<
[05:20] <BlackNeko> my drive dont fail, ubuntu upgrade fail >,<
[05:20] <BlackNeko> dont*
[05:21] <holstein> BlackNeko: well, i didnt say the ubuntu upgrade didnt fail
[05:21] <holstein> BlackNeko: what i said was, you should *never* trust *any* OS upgrade with data that is not backed up
[05:21] <holstein> BlackNeko: i suggested dvd's so you wouldnt have to spend a bunch of money and you can get backedup
[05:22] <BlackNeko> that bug is from the ubuntu 12.10 beta 2
[05:22] <holstein> BlackNeko: 12.10 is not beta
[05:22] <BlackNeko> and they release it with that bug =(
[05:22] <holstein> BlackNeko: you might have that bug, and you might not
[05:22] <BlackNeko> is from  2012-06-20
[05:22] <holstein> BlackNeko: they?... 12.10 beta was just that.. beta.. not final
[05:22] <holstein> BlackNeko: betas often ship bugs.. finals do too
[05:23] <holstein> BlackNeko: i can relate to your furstration, but all i can say is, you should backup before upgrading
[05:23] <holstein> you should also consider staying on the LTS releases
[05:23] <holstein> as for what you issue is.. you can open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update" and post the errors in pastebin
[05:23] <BlackNeko> this bug are present in ubuntu beta 2 and is still present in the final the never fix it and released the final version
[05:24] <BlackNeko> ok i do it
[05:24] <BlackNeko> i paste it give me 1 min
[05:24] <holstein> BlackNeko: cool... i assure you, i cant release a fix, so lets let that go
[05:25] <holstein> the way i read it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1015567 *is* a fix
[05:25] <holstein> "In general, simply purge the packages that are have mixed non-coinstallable and coinstallable package instances present"
[05:26] <BlackNeko> dont that dont fix nothing
[05:27] <BlackNeko> if you read all the post some ppl have the same problem and cant fix
[05:27] <holstein> BlackNeko: well, i dont have the issue in front of me, but i would need you to elaborate
[05:27] <holstein> 'that" and "fix nothing"... i would need more information
[05:28] <holstein> that = what have you tried for example
[05:28] <BlackNeko> ok
[05:28] <BlackNeko> the post script
[05:28] <holstein> BlackNeko: what i need is the output of "sudo apt-get update"
[05:28] <BlackNeko> apt-get update etc
[05:29] <BlackNeko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611281/
[05:30] <BlackNeko> i get Duplicate sources.list entry
[05:30] <BlackNeko> do apt-get update to correct
[05:30] <BlackNeko> again xD
[05:31] <holstein> BlackNeko: apt-get update doesnt correct duplicate entries
[05:31] <holstein> BlackNeko: have you looked at your sources?
[05:32] <holstein> BlackNeko: i would just relax a bit.. and take some time, with an open mind.. i dont thing you have that bug
[05:33] <holstein> BlackNeko: you can also try the main ubuntu channels since this is not paricularly xubuntu related
[05:33] <BlackNeko> i have try it
[05:33] <BlackNeko> that is the bug
[05:33] <holstein> BlackNeko: you have try what?
[05:33] <holstein> BlackNeko: i dont think so
[05:33] <BlackNeko> and i cant get a solution but a fresh install
[05:34] <holstein> BlackNeko: i think you can.. but you dont have to
[05:34] <holstein> BlackNeko: anyways. good luck! and be sure you back up your data before upgrading *any* OS's in the future
[05:35] <holstein> if you can afford to lose the data,... im not sure what i would do... leaving the hard drive powered off for a long time can be bad too
[05:36] <holstein> all i know is 2 things for certain... reinstalling ubuntu doesnt take very long, and you will lost that data at some point when that hard drive dies... so maybe just take the time to do a proper backup solution.. its not too late
[05:36] <holstein> BlackNeko: cheers and good evening to you :)
[05:38] <BlackNeko> i have try this perl script too https://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2012/03/msg00045.html
[05:38] <BlackNeko> i have deleted the source list and update again
[05:38] <BlackNeko> some ppl tell to correct it manually because the problem is the missing arch in the list
[05:38] <BlackNeko> ok thanks
[05:39] <holstein> for the record, and the logs.. no one said deleting the sources file was a solution to that bug ^^
[08:30] <gmg85> hi guys/
[08:30] <gmg85> which is the easiest way to add systemwide proxy settings
[08:31] <gmg85> without editing /etc/environment
[08:31] <baizon> gmg85: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6943/how-can-a-proxy-be-set-for-the-whole-xubuntu-system
[08:31] <baizon> ou ok
[08:31] <baizon> gmg85: System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy
[08:33] <zruty> Is there a way I can get a tree-view with folder and file sizes?
[08:33] <gmg85> baizon: does this work on xubuntu?
[08:34] <baizon> dont know
[08:34] <baizon> if gnome got this settings
[08:34] <gmg85> baizon: ok
[09:51] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with a dualview display... i can't get the desktop separated, xubuntu uses only "cloned" view... someone know howto fix?
[10:48] <nicholosophy> MoL0ToV, what vid card/drivers
[10:50] <nicholosophy> wish there were some decent twitter clients
[10:50] <nicholosophy> all seem to be missing that certain something
[10:54] <gandalf> parole...when playing videos with a resolution of less than 700p in fullscreen mode....the videos do not fill the entire screen
[10:54] <gandalf> any suggestions on how to fix this?
[10:57] <gandalf> *720p
[10:57] <nicholosophy> must be in a hurry
[11:01] <retaebnamow> hey guys
[11:55] <Naeblis> Hello
[11:56] <baizon> hi Naeblis
[11:56] <Naeblis> I'm trying to install Xubuntu 12.04 in a laptop (dual boot with Windows 8), but when I select "something else" in the installation option, it does not show me any of the partitions.
[11:58] <baizon> Naeblis: you got UEFI?
[11:58] <Naeblis> I think so, yes.
[11:58] <Naeblis> saw something related to it in the boot menu
[11:59] <Naeblis> s/boot menu/bios/
[11:59] <baizon> Naeblis: have you tried this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878204
[12:00] <baizon> Naeblis: do you have free space for xubuntu?
[12:00] <baizon> if you have 1 partition you need to shrink it like it says in the link i posted
[12:00] <Naeblis> yup. Lots of space. It's a new laptop, only Windows 8 installed, and about 4 partitions
[12:00] <Naeblis> all having enough space
[12:01] <baizon> try gparted or parted magic
[12:01] <baizon> to prepare the partitions
[12:01] <baizon> format etc
[12:02] <baizon> then try again
[12:03] <Naeblis> how should I use gparted? Select "try xubuntu" and install from there?
[12:03] <baizon> no
[12:04] <baizon> it boots and there you only prepare the partitions
[12:04] <baizon> after that boot again xubuntu and check then
[12:04] <baizon> if the partitions are visible
[12:04] <baizon> Naeblis: or http://askubuntu.com/questions/162631/ubuntu-12-04-installer-does-not-recognize-drive-partitions
[12:05] <baizon> there you have all information
[12:05] <baizon> with screenshots
[12:08] <Naeblis> yeah
[12:08] <Naeblis> thanks!
[13:48] <xubuntu630> ho problemi con l'installazione di ubuntu....quando si riavvia dopo l'installazione non parte...compare lo sfondo nero con scritte bianche in cui io inserisco login e password ma non parte comunque....help me
[13:50] <GridCube> !it | xubuntu630
[13:56] <Felipe__> Hello
[13:56] <Guest77310> hello
[13:57] <Guest77310> I would need some help
[13:57] <Guest77310> I installed Xubunto a few weeks ago
[13:57] <Guest77310> today at work I could not use the wife so I connected the wire
[13:57] <Guest77310> but the wired connection does not work at all
[13:58] <Guest77310> it seems ethernet is turned off
[13:58] <Guest77310> Can anybody give me a hand
[13:58] <Guest77310> It seems other people had simillar problems
[13:58] <Guest77310> but I could not get a valid solution
[14:03] <GridCube> Guest77310: what computer? (or network adapter)
[14:04] <Guest77310> it is a toshiba P875-31C
[14:04] <GridCube> have you tried the silly way?
[14:05] <TheSheep> wife?
[14:05] <Pici> *wire
[14:05] <GridCube> wifi TheSheep
[14:05] <Pici> oh
[14:05] <Guest77310> WIFI
[14:05] <GridCube> Guest77310: have you tried just pressing fn and the key labeled for wifi?
[14:06] <Guest77310> the wifi in the computer works fine,
[14:07] <Guest77310> I have use all day,
[14:07] <GridCube> oh
[14:07] <Guest77310> there is aproblem at work, and thier WIFI do not work
[14:07] <GridCube> okay
[14:07] <GridCube> :)
[14:07] <Guest77310> that is way I connected to the land wire
[14:07] <GridCube> so you can pastebin the results of lspci
[14:08] <Guest77310> yes
[14:08] <GridCube> please do
[14:09] <nss> Hey, having a bit of a problem with my dual monitor setup, I can't set the primary one to its native resolution 2560*1440 without the picture completely glitching up. Any pointers?
[14:10] <Guest77310> here it is
[14:10] <Guest77310> SATELLITE-P875:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express Root Port (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 0
[14:10] <Pici> !pastebin
[14:11] <Guest77310> sorry
[14:11] <Guest77310> I did not know pastebin
[14:11] <GridCube> :)
[14:11] <Guest77310> here is the link with the result
[14:11] <Guest77310> http://pastebin.com/8Dz3qXm8
[14:15] <Guest77310> If I run lshw -C network
[14:15] <Guest77310> I get : network UNCLAIMED
[14:30] <Guest77310> hello GridCube
[14:30] <Guest77310> are you still there?
[14:31] <GridCube> im here, yes, let me check
[14:31] <Guest77310> thanks
[14:31] <Guest77310> :-)
[14:32] <GridCube> Guest77310: http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
[14:32] <GridCube> read answer one
[14:37] <Guest77310> I am on it
[14:37] <Guest77310> I will let you know
[14:37] <Guest77310> thatnks a lot     for you help
[14:38] <GridCube> don't worry and good luck :)
[14:38] <GridCube> also Guest77310 do you speak spanish?
[14:39] <GridCube> if you do, please do join #ubuntu-es if you feel more confortable speaking spanish :)
[14:43] <Guest77310> yes, I am spanish
[14:43] <Guest77310> thanks for your help
[14:59] <Guest77310> Hello GideCube
[14:59] <Guest77310> the solution works perferct :-)
[14:59] <Guest77310> I really appreciate it.
[14:59] <Guest77310> thanks a lot
[15:04] <GridCube> :) Guest77310 dont worry, good luck
[15:29] <MoL0ToV> i'm unable to get working 2 separate desktops on my 2 display connected to my ati graphic card in xubuntu. someone can help me?
[15:31] <nss> Right there with you MoL0ToV.
[15:45] <holstein> MoL0ToV: what are you wanting? and what do you have?... if you have mirrored desktops, and you want spanned, try using arandr to set this up
[15:45] <holstein> nss: ^^
[15:46] <nss> I got spanned to work on XrandR but my primary won't display 2560*1440 correctly.
[15:47] <MoL0ToV> holstein, i want 2 independent desktop one rightof other
[15:47] <MoL0ToV> arandr don't work...
[15:47] <holstein> nss: you can elaborate as to what you consider "correctly", but sometimes i just put a custom xorg.cong in place
[15:47] <GridCube> you using the same output? i mean its hdmi to both monitors?
[15:47] <holstein> MoL0ToV: in what way does arandr not work?
[15:47] <MoL0ToV> today works after last apt.-get upgrade
[15:48] <MoL0ToV> yesterday no
[15:48] <holstein> MoL0ToV: ?
[15:48] <Cheri703> MoL0ToV: it's not official, but if you update to xfce 4.12 you can do it...that's what I did. do note: hard/impossible to downgrade (I wasn't able to) http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[15:48] <MoL0ToV> this is beautiful
[15:48] <holstein> MoL0ToV: so, you have dual head configured then?
[15:48] <MoL0ToV> xubuntu patch release is telephatic
[15:48] <MoL0ToV> :D
[15:48] <nss> The picture is just completely glitched and flickery.
[15:48] <holstein> nss: i would try different drivers
[15:49] <nss> The proprietary ones? I'm on AMD 7970.
[15:49] <MoL0ToV> i use oss
[15:51] <peter__e> greetings,  got a pesky ZTE MF821D 4G modem that has issues cooperating with Xubuntu 12.04, it is recognized as a wired connection
[15:51] <holstein> nss: i typically just try the other ones.. which ever ones im not trying... but if you havent tried the proprietary ones, i would suggest trying them
[15:53] <peter__e> I've found usb_modswitch rules that are supposed to help however the ID in the suggested rules is different from the output from lsusb
[15:55] <nss> How would a custom Xorg.conf for my setup look? Primary monitor on the left is 2560*1440 and secondary on the right 1920*1080.
[15:55] <holstein> nss: sometimes i use a knoppix live CD, and get things setup there and take the xorg.conf.. knoppix or puppy
[15:58] <nss> Would running Knoppix in a VM generate the same Xorg.conf?
[15:59] <holstein> nss: no
[15:59] <holstein> nss: for you, think its going to be the driver
[16:00] <nss> Why's that? Googling turns up lots of Xorg.conf fixes for similar setups.
[16:00] <holstein> nss: why is what?
[16:00] <nss> Why do you think it's the drivers?
[16:01] <holstein> nss: why do i think your "glitchy" graphics are due to the graphics driver?.. its just a guess... and have you tried all the drivers?
[16:02] <nss> TBH no. I was assured it had to be the Xorg.conf from googling but it won't hurt to try. Thanks.
[16:03] <holstein> nss: take your xorg.conf out of the equation... remove it, reboot and see if its glitchy.. get it not glitchy there by trying different drivers... set the resolution with a custom xorg.conf if you want/need
[16:04] <nss> There's no Xorg.conf by default.
[16:04] <GridCube> nope
[16:17] <holstein> peter__e: for the record, i would try a more generic ubuntu support channel.. you might get more help there, and the help should be generic for all *buntu's for that device
[16:18] <peter__e> holstein, thank you I'm on it :)
[16:43] <xubuntu398> yay! my install is almost done!
[16:43] <GridCube> :D
[16:44] <baizon> nice to hear :)
[17:01] <nss> holstein: Just dropping by to say thanks. Installed the proprietary AMD drivers and everything works now. Had to update to Xfce4.12 for proper extending support though and a curious pointer bug alike that I had on Windows under the same monitor setup is back, too minor for me to care though. There does seem to be more pronounced screen tearing though, not sure what's up with that. But again, thank you.
[17:02] <holstein> nss: enjoy.. you likely could just use a different tool to configure dual head, but upgrae xfce if you like
[17:03] <holstein> nss: whats up with the screen tearing is likely just the driver support for your specific device.. it can be challenging...
[17:04] <nss> Yeah, figures. I'll check the OSD and try lowering the refresh rate but really, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
[18:28] <ajon> hey
[18:29] <ajon> the power manager icon disapeared from my indicators and i cant fathom why
[18:30] <ajon> if i kill the power manager and run it with --debug it prints "TRACE[xfpm-power.c:1149] xfpm_power_refresh_adaptor_visible(): Tray icon configuration: : ((XfpmShowIcon) SHOW_ICON_ALWAYS)
[18:30] <ajon> TRACE[xfpm-power.c:1113] xfpm_power_hide_adapter_icon(): Hide adaptor icon" every now and then
[18:35] <holstein> ajon: i usually just try as a different user, to see if its something with my config, or actually a problem with an application
[20:48] <xubuntu369> i hope someone can help me....
[20:50] <xubuntu369> I just did a clean install of 12.10 and everything is working fine with one fairly major exception - regardless of the program - Firefox, terminal, even the taskbar blink and go transparent when clicked or typed in.
[20:50] <holstein> xubuntu369: did you install a compositor?
[20:51] <xubuntu369> it also seems related that many webpages have elements that have been loaded invisible - ie: I can see everything but the one button I need to click
[20:51] <xubuntu369> i don't know what a compositor is
[20:52] <holstein> xubuntu369: was it like this in the live session?
[20:53] <xubuntu369> didn't do a live session
[20:54] <xubuntu369> this is probably my 10th linux installation, and I've been searching the web for answers to this problem but I can't seem to find any answers
[20:54] <holstein> what would i do? probably since its a fresh install, i would either just reinstall after checking the installation media and the live session, or try looking for and applying upgrades
[20:54] <xubuntu369> I've applied as many upgrades as I can find
[20:54] <holstein> wont hurt to just apply upgrades and see if something comes in that "fixes" your issue
[20:55] <holstein> xubuntu369: ?
[20:55] <holstein> xubuntu369: open a terminal, or go to tty
[20:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get update ...then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:55] <holstein> reboot and test...
[20:55] <holstein> if its still the same, then  you can look into an alternate grahpics driver..
[20:56] <holstein> !ati
[20:56] <holstein> or, you can try ubuntu 12.04
[20:56] <xubuntu369> i don't like unity
[20:56] <xubuntu369> GPU is too old
[20:57] <xubuntu369> I'm considering lubuntu or macpup
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu369: ?
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu369: xubuntu 12.04
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu369: the 12.04 part being the operative change
[20:57] <holstein> not 12.10...
[20:58] <xubuntu369> but I really like xubuntu on the whole, if i  can get this display issue worked out
[20:58] <holstein> xubuntu369: installing LXDE would maybe help you troubeshoot
[20:58] <holstein> xubuntu369: its likely a graphics card support issue
[20:58] <xubuntu369> yes, I think so.
[20:58] <xubuntu369> I'm updating and reading as per your suggestion
[20:59] <holstein> xubuntu369: install LXDE
[20:59] <holstein> xubuntu369: or lubuntu-desktop
[20:59] <holstein> xubuntu369: xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubntu
[20:59] <holstein> ubuntu
[21:00] <Kingdaro> hey guys, can you help me out with something?
[21:00] <xubuntu369> yes, I understand that
[21:00] <xubuntu369> I will try installing LXDE
[21:01] <David-A> xubuntu369: what graphical card/chip? have you installed proprietary drivers for it? ("additional hardware drivers") (if/if not/ try with/without)
[21:01] <holstein> i think you'll find its a graphics driver issue
[21:02] <holstein> !ask | Kingdaro
[21:02] <xubuntu369> I have a stupid GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (circa 2002) which seems to need the 96 driver which is unavailable in the repositories
[21:02] <Kingdaro> alright so, my question, or problem, rather
[21:02] <Kingdaro> there's this thing, where my theme isn't applied correctly when i log in
[21:02] <Kingdaro> sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
[21:03] <Kingdaro> and i'm just really confused, and i only found one other person with this issue, and he hasn't found a solution
[21:05] <Kingdaro> i don't think my settings are being applied at all - my mouse feels a lot faster than it should
[21:07] <holstein> xubuntu369: one easy test would be to try the vesa driver..
[21:07] <holstein> Kingdaro: i would just use the default theme,and test.. if all is well, then the issue is in your theme
[21:07] <holstein> Kingdaro: you can then ask the theme creator what you are supposed to do to get it working
[21:08] <Kingdaro> that's the thing, it's a default theme with a minor edit to an image, and I don't seem to be able to switch themes at all
[21:08] <xubuntu369> vesa driver, eh? I'll like into that
[21:08] <Kingdaro> if i do happen to get the correct theme on login, i will be able to switch themes - right now, i can't.
[21:09] <holstein> xubuntu369: i would literally just take 3 minutes and set it up with the vesa driver. you'll then know that the drive *is* the issue, and you can stop hopping around so much
[21:09] <holstein> Kingdaro: you can blow out the .config in your home
[21:09] <holstein> Kingdaro: sometimes i just set up a test user that i dont care about blowing out the /home with
[21:11] <Kingdaro> alright, i'll try that. thanks
[21:14] <xubuntu369> how about that. searched for vesa in Software Center and it's already installed
[21:15] <xubuntu369> so... I also I just installed LXDE...
[21:15] <holstein> xubuntu369: sure.. you'll need to specify the driver.. i do that with a custom xorg.conf file
[21:15] <xubuntu369> oh.
[21:15] <holstein> xubuntu369: one easy way to test this is.. boot the live CD.. test.. then boot the live CD with "nomodeset" for the vesa driver.. test
[21:16] <xubuntu369> ok
[21:16] <xubuntu369> that makes sense
[21:16] <holstein> when you say "macpup" i assume you mean a puppy distro.. the puppy live CD's have a nice gui setup wizard that will let you specify vesa
[21:17] <xubuntu369> yes, macpup is based on puppy
[21:17] <holstein> you can always run puppy or knoppix and get your graphics going the way you like, and grab the xorg.conf from there for ubuntu
[21:17] <xubuntu369> they say it's basically just a lot prettier
[21:17] <holstein> xubuntu369: im just telling you what you can do with the tools to troubleshoot ubuntu...
[21:18] <xubuntu369> I really appreciate it
[21:18] <xubuntu369> I've been working on this machine for a day and half now
[21:20] <xubuntu369> I'm going to reboot and keep testing. Thank you very much, holstein
[22:13] <xubuntu393> hi there, newbie on xubuntu, I would like to speed up my boot time, I see it load 2 session : xubuntu and xfce, can I set it to load only one?
[22:19] <David-A> xubuntu393: you normally select xfce or xubuntu session before login. only one is used at any time. normally.
[22:20] <David-A> xubuntu393: how do you "see" it loads both?
[22:22] <sandprickle> Has anyone else had problems with the 12.10 32 bit live CD?
[22:23] <xubuntu393> @David A in the login panel I can choose between the two...
[22:23] <xubuntu393> however they both look the same to me (if I'm not missing something)
[22:24] <sandprickle> I actually made a live usb drive, but I can't install chromium-browser or Google Chrome
[22:25] <holstein> sandprickle: i usually just install to the usb sticks
[22:26] <holstein> sandprickle: a live USB is not persistent. you can make them persistent,, but i typically just do an install to the usb stick
[22:26] <knome> sandprickle, what's your problem?
[22:28] <genii-around> Probably no casper-cow partition
[22:28] <David-A> xubuntu393: the menu structure is different, especially "settings" and "ubuntu softw center". the sessions used to have different themes, but seems to be the same in 12.04. there can be other diffs under the scenes i dont know of.
[22:28] <sandprickle> Yeah this isn't persistent and it doesn't need to be. I just want to demo some stuff for my mom. When I try to install Chromium i get an internet connection error, and google-chrome-stable is "of bad quality"
[22:29] <GridCube> sandprickle, are you using apt-get to install?
[22:29] <sandprickle> was using software center; tried apt-get for chromium-broswer. no go.
[22:30] <sandprickle> whoa, ok i'm getting 404s
[22:30] <GridCube> ok, do sudo apt-get update
[22:31] <sandprickle> yep, yep, it's downloading now.
[22:31] <sandprickle> should have read the screen output :P
[22:32] <GridCube> yep
[22:32] <sandprickle> thanks all
[22:36] <xubuntu674> Reinstalling Xubuntu....
[22:41] <xubuntu674> Sure is quiet here....
[22:41] <holstein> xubuntu674: try the #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:41] <xubuntu674> ok
[22:48] <whtemple1959> I am having trouble viewing my grub loader at boot time I get a screen stating "out of range" this normally happens when the resolution is not set right. therefore I do not see my boot options and cannot boot into windows but must wait for the default boot into xubuntu. btew I am using xubuntu 12.04 installed from a flash drive. any suggestions?
[22:49] <Unit193> whtemple1959: You can set the res in /etc/default/grub and then sudo update-grub
[22:55] <whtemple1959> thank you Unit193. rebooting. it will work...cya soon
[22:57] <xubuntu393> @ David A I'm trying to figure it out, thanks for you help
[22:59] <David-A> xubuntu393: if its about boot or login times, we can look for other clues. look e.g. at settings>session and startup
[23:00] <xubuntu393> @ David A
[23:00] <xubuntu393> tell me more
[23:00] <xubuntu393> what should I look for
[23:01] <Unit193> Could install bootchart to look and see what's taking up time.  As you have booted into Xfce, they both look like the Xfce session, you'd have to remove (some of) ~/.config/ in order to get back to the default Xubuntu session.
[23:02] <David-A> xubuntu393: if something is started at login that you dont need. either it was "saved" when you logged out with "save session" or something was added to autostart when you installed something but you really are not using it.
[23:03] <xubuntu393> @ David Autostart: I have got all the botton checked a part from bluetooth
[23:05] <David-A> xubuntu393: I've unchecked "xfce4 tips and tricks" :)  (and some other things)
[23:05] <xubuntu393> will do
[23:05] <xubuntu393> about that...
[23:05] <xubuntu393> I installed a notepad
[23:06] <David-A> xubuntu393: if boot time is worse than login time, then look at bootchart that Unit193 mentioned above
[23:06] <xubuntu393> Notes...it is not in the autostart however it does start at log in
[23:07] <xubuntu393> (just noticed )
[23:07] <xubuntu393> log in time isn't bad at all
[23:08] <xubuntu393> will look into Unit193 suggestion, does it apply for xubuntu?
[23:10] <David-A> xubuntu393: i i r c it does, and don't see any reason why it would'n
[23:12] <xubuntu393> will try to run it and post result if I manage
[23:16] <xubuntu393> David A. , Unit193 thanks for your help. I'll have a go with bootchart
[23:17] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[23:28] <Unit193> whtemple1959: Good to go?
[23:30] <whtemple1959> thank you Unit 193 I do not understand why it did not like 620x480 but it is working with a higher resolution. us noobs must be very entertaining. again thank you
[23:31] <Unit193> Sure thing!  You can also modify how long it waits for you to select, or other options as well. :)
[23:31] <genii-around> whtemple1959: 640x480 is a more usual resolution than 620x480
[23:33] <whtemple1959> thank you genii. I am off to explore xubuntu and see what other trouble I can get into. I am sure I will be back again. again thank you all.
[23:58] <iwr> hello
[23:59] <knome> hullo
[23:59] <iwr> one quick question
[23:59] <iwr> will xubuntu run smoothly od 1.8ghz, 768ram and 64mb graphics laptop?