[00:16] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I need some info about where to find few config file of KDE environment , usually starting from ~/.kde folder I guess ....
[00:18] <AlexZion> like for example , config about plasma and plasmoids .....
[00:21] <apachelogger> AlexZion: hey, #kde might be able to help you there
[00:30] <AlexZion> ok apachelogger I will ask there, but you may can halp me with another info...., to get a 13.04 distro daily full upgraded , should I add some extra repo once installed a 13.04  available here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ? 
[00:31] <apachelogger> no
[00:34] <AlexZion> thanks apachelogger, I'll try to play around "default settings" to propose a different one for the new release .... :)
[00:37] <apachelogger> nice
[00:45] <AlexZion> yeah apachelogger, I think it should be much more "New User" oriented ...., but maybe you already read some my idea on the mailing list ....  
[00:51] <AlexZion> apachelogger:  what about QML , do you think could be even possible build an applications to manage config file !?!
[00:51] <AlexZion> because I could even try myself with it ... :)
[00:52] <apachelogger> AlexZion: an application to manage config files?
[00:53] <AlexZion> something like !! , just for me and to learn  both .... for now .....
[00:54] <AlexZion> I guess QML is very nice even to prototype an apps .... 
[00:55] <AlexZion> sayng maneging config file , I mean few key settings , and even manage it with some preset ....  
[00:55] <AlexZion> wouldn't be nice !?!
[00:57] <apachelogger> we have that, it's called systemsettings :P
[00:58] <AlexZion> really !?! :D 
[00:59] <AlexZion> let's say...., taking few settings , something about 20/30 settings, and manage it with a some preset , could be very usefull in my opinion...
[01:01] <AlexZion> for example I'm pretty sure would be a problem to manage the size icon of any application , just because there isn't a centralized config for that , at least until  12.10
[01:02] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/1cHSYZg.png
[01:05] <AlexZion> well , so it's perfect ....
[01:09] <AlexZion> apachelogger: do you think would be difficult to implement a "presets system" on systemsettings ? 
[01:10] <AlexZion> of course not the entire systemsettings ....
[01:10] <apachelogger> well, we kind of have that already
[01:10] <apachelogger> i.e. kubuntu-settings-low-fat, kubuntu-settings-desktop etc.
[01:11] <apachelogger> they are essentially presets 
[01:11] <apachelogger> so, no, it would generally not be hard, but it really depends on how you would want to do that
[01:11] <AlexZion> well, but they are more about tecnical settings ...., what about aspect or functionality , effects and so on ...
[01:12] <apachelogger> I am afraid I do not know what you mean by 'functionality' and 'effects'
[01:12] <AlexZion> and in any case , would be amazing having it with a simple switch button ....
[01:14] <AlexZion> ok , I mean windows behavior, plasma behavior, applications aspect, desktop effects, workspace aspect 
[01:15] <apachelogger> that is exactly what those packages are about
[01:16] <AlexZion> I know , but what about a centralized preset system for that !?! , I mean a custom mode , and as presets as we need .....
[01:17] <AlexZion> why not?, I mean , it should be all about config management .....
[01:18] <AlexZion> of course working on great and solid base already there ....
[01:21] <sakang> wow 4.10 stable is out!
[01:22] <sakang> looks like they are 5 days old by looking at the timestamp.
[01:24] <apachelogger> who's old?
[01:25] <sakang> 4.10 sources
[01:25] <apachelogger> ah
[01:25] <apachelogger> why yes, tagging was 5 days ago ;)
[01:26] <sakang> meaning there wasn't any bug(s) since then?
[01:27] <apachelogger> meaning there weren't any release blocking bug reports since then
[01:27] <AlexZion> anyway system settings is the same for 32, 64 and mac version right ?
[01:27] <apachelogger> yes
[01:29] <AlexZion> yeaah , so I think it can be something relatively simple to do , and it would give a good benefit, even thinking about activities could use it ..... 
[01:31] <apachelogger> activities have a preset system
[01:31] <AlexZion> even for those settings !?!
[01:33] <AlexZion> because if so , is already there what we are talking about ....
[01:34] <apachelogger> I do not know.
[04:09] <Mamarok> claydoh: giovanni_re is back, should we set him to moderation before he does all that crossposting stuff again?
[04:09] <Mamarok> his mail looks more like an add for Mac screens than a real question
[04:09] <Mamarok> ad*
[09:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you release package tomahawk yet?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> and no one has uploaded KDE 4.10 yet .. hmm
[09:30] <shadeslayer> I'll wait for Riddell to upload those
[09:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[09:42] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind uploading 4.10?
[09:42] <apachelogger> accordign to the notes it has not been tested
[09:42] <shadeslayer> Raring 4.10 hasn't been tested?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> O_O
[09:43] <shadeslayer> I don't think that's true
[09:43] <shadeslayer> but I'll test it
[09:46] <shadeslayer> it'll take some time though
[09:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: as for Quantal and Precise I know they've been tested
[09:48] <shadeslayer> but the etherpad is out of sync
[09:48]  * apachelogger has quite the neck pain
[09:48] <shadeslayer> with reality :P
[09:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should I copy quantal/precise to backports?
[09:48] <shadeslayer> or beta backports? or both
[09:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah I was wondering, cause I wanted to publish last night as I couldnt sleep anyway
[09:49] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do the testing :P
[09:49] <shadeslayer> heh
[09:49] <shadeslayer> I'm testing for raring
[09:49] <apachelogger> ohm
[09:49] <shadeslayer> no precise/quantal machines
[09:49] <shadeslayer> and even raring will take some time
[09:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I can't upload today anyway
[09:50] <apachelogger> earliest tonight
[09:50] <shadeslayer> oh?
[09:50] <Peace-> :) hi 
[09:50] <apachelogger> EBANDWITH
[09:50] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:50] <apachelogger> hi Peace-
[09:50] <shadeslayer> get an EC2 instance?
[09:50] <Peace-> i was able to compile plasmate finally 
[09:50] <shadeslayer> the micro ones are free for a year :P
[09:50] <apachelogger> dunno nothing about that :P
[09:51] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/IeJTm4V.png
[09:51] <apachelogger> hum
[09:51] <apachelogger> in a running session that seems a bit weird Oo
[09:53] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[09:57] <apachelogger> Usage: kopypackages [-h|-n|-q|-c <credfile>] (-a |-p <package> |-b <batchfile>) ppa:fromPPA (from_release|all) ppa:toPPA (to_release|all)
[09:57] <apachelogger> that's very readable
[10:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have kscreen in raring yet?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> idk
[10:02] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:02] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreen
[10:02] <apachelogger> I wonder if we should backport it
[10:08] <shadeslayer> tehehehe
[10:08] <shadeslayer> http://chocolatey.org/
[10:12] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[10:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll update tomahawk
[10:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good evening. Yesterday i had power failure in my home, the main meter got burned, thats why i got disconnected suddenly . sorry
[10:13] <shadeslayer> np :)
[10:13] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I need to SRU pgst
[10:14] <shadeslayer> mm yes
[10:14] <apachelogger> which reminds me that pvlc is completely and entirely out of date
[10:14] <apachelogger> 0.6.0 is in the archive
[10:14] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: i am working on the tomahawk debian/copyright
[10:14] <apachelogger> cool
[10:14] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: its the one in the blue-shell branch right?
[10:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:15] <apachelogger> I'd redo it from scratch though
[10:15] <apachelogger> i.e. I did not actually verify the copyright file myself
[10:15] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: is there a deadline for it?
[10:15] <apachelogger> feature freeze ^^
[10:15] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: ok. I am doing it from the scratch 
[10:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: copy initated for p and q
[10:17] <shadeslayer> awesome
[10:18] <apachelogger> meanwhile I got in a hackish mood :D
[10:18] <shadeslayer> dafuq, dpkg-source: error: add src/libtomahawk/playlist/._XspfUpdater.h in debian/source/include-binaries if you want to store the modified binary in the debian tarball
[10:19] <shadeslayer> dpkg-source: error: unrepresentable changes to source
[10:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh?
[10:20] <shadeslayer> what did you do
[10:20] <apachelogger> break phonon mostly
[10:20] <apachelogger> also that error looks like you did an in-source build?
[10:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:20] <apachelogger> or tomahawk's cmake is broken and it does soemthing in-source in an out-of-source build
[10:20] <shadeslayer> idk
[10:21] <shadeslayer> all I did was grab your beta package
[10:21] <shadeslayer> download the tar
[10:21] <shadeslayer> from here : http://download.tomahawk-player.org/tomahawk-0.6.0.tar.bz2
[10:21] <shadeslayer> copy packaging bits
[10:21] <apachelogger> >>> git diff master phonon5 | diffstat -s
[10:21] <apachelogger>  186 files changed, 345 insertions(+), 11987 deletions(-)
[10:21] <shadeslayer> :D
[10:22] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: "copy packaging bits" means?
[10:22] <shadeslayer>  cp -aR tomahawk-0.6.0~beta1/debian tomahawk-0.6.0/
[10:24] <apachelogger> AH
[10:24] <apachelogger> ololo
[10:25] <shadeslayer> ?
[10:26] <shadeslayer> this src is fscked
[10:29] <Riddell> ooh upstream release day
[10:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[10:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you QA raring packages?
[10:35] <Riddell> yep, all good for me
[10:35] <Riddell> shall I upload?
[10:36] <shadeslayer> ah, yes :)
[10:36] <shadeslayer> no one updated etherpad
[10:36] <shadeslayer> which is why apachelogger didn't upload
[10:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw, just a question, can I upload those new tars?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> the split kdegames and everything
[10:43] <shadeslayer> are those in the Kubuntu Dev packageset?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> because I wasn't sure if they were, which is why I didn't upload them
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm afraid I don't know
[10:44] <Riddell> there's a way to find out, but I forget that too
[10:44] <Riddell> me fail
[10:44] <Riddell> I'll ask cjwatson
[10:44] <Riddell> I'm running kubuntu-archive-upload now
[10:45] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:53] <Riddell> hi Mirv 
[10:54] <Mirv> hi Riddell 
[10:59] <jussi> ooh, its a Mirv! Hello Mirv!
[11:01] <Riddell> jussi: care to introduce us?
[11:01] <jussi> Riddell: you don't know Mirv? 
[11:03] <Riddell> I don't know, introduce us and maybe I will
[11:08] <jussi> Riddell: Mirv is a canonical employee that used to work where I currently work. Not sure of his area of interest at canonical just now, but Im sure he will tell you that.
[11:08] <jussi> Mirv: is otherwise known as Timo Jyrinki
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uploaded to staging
[11:15] <shadeslayer> also copying build deps
[11:21] <yofel> shadeslayer, Riddell: that's our current packagset: http://paste.kde.org/665912, if that has everything we should be fine (I don't think that's the case)
[11:22] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:28] <Riddell> yofel: how did you get that?
[11:29] <yofel> bzr co lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[11:29] <yofel> there run ./edit-acl -P kubuntu -S raring query
[11:30] <Riddell> that's the one
[11:30] <vassie> morning all
[11:30] <Riddell> hi vassie, not on holiday?
[11:30] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: morning
[11:31] <vassie> not yet, fly out tomorrow night
[11:31] <vassie> can't wait
[11:31] <vassie> loving 4.10 btw
[11:31] <Riddell> a colourful wallpaper makes all the difference
[11:32] <vassie> it really does :)
[11:32] <yofel> now get some beatiful color icons and it'll be great
[11:32] <yofel> not sure what everyone likes about these monochrome ones
[11:32] <phoenix_firebrd> i the monochromes
[11:32] <Riddell> which monochrome ones?
[11:32] <phoenix_firebrd> i like the monochromes
[11:33] <yofel> Riddell: the tray icons
[11:33] <yofel> ok, they're not too bad
[11:33] <phoenix_firebrd> its consistent with all the themes 
[11:33] <yofel> but I'm a pretty color focused person, so keeping those monochrome icons apart always takes a split second longer
[11:34] <Riddell> yes, it does make telepathy very easy to find but klipper takes longer
[11:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: +
[11:35] <phoenix_firebrd> there should be an option to highlight icons
[11:36] <Riddell> actually the main problem I have with the systray is that notification popups have no visual connection to a systray icon
[11:37] <Riddell> so you put in a usb drive and it pops up but you want it to go away, the user has no idea to click on the solid icon to make it go away
[11:37] <Riddell> agateau: that's my nomination for last mile ^^
[11:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: does kde has a user test program , something like the ubuntu's program?
[11:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: the usablity test
[11:39] <agateau> Riddell: good point
[11:39] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: usability not so much since celeste got busy elsewhere
[11:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: recently i read about a survey done by someone about  icon usage
[11:42] <Mirv> jussi: hi jussi :)
[11:43] <jussi> Mirv: Heya Timo, been a while :)
[11:43] <Mirv> I've been working with Debian recently on Qt5, and Qt5 is what brings also a migration of Qt4 to the new upstream tool qtchooser. so raising the topic a bit in case someone hasn't yet noticed it.
[11:44] <Riddell> hum, suddently I've a nasty feeling I said I'd look over something for fabo and didn't
[11:44] <Mirv> I e-mailed/pinged Riddell and Tim Gartner (latest uploaders), but for example ScottK may not have heard about it
[11:44] <Mirv> the Qt4 part of qtchooser migration is on offer at https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/kubuntu-packaging/qt4-qtchooser-migration-raring/+merge/146090 - approved by fabo so far
[11:45] <Mirv> and it's identical in changes to what I've done together with pkg-kde at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/experimental
[11:45] <Riddell> mm that was probably it :)
[11:45] <Mirv> some ideas like the default package thing adapted from Sune Vuorela even though he's not in the changelog
[11:45] <Mirv> Riddell: :)
[11:48] <Mirv> jussi: my area of interest right at the moment has been this, Qt 5 :)
[11:48] <Riddell> Mirv: where does the qtchooser package come from?
[11:48] <Riddell> is it a separate package to be packaged up?
[11:49] <Mirv> Riddell: the Thiago's release directory is linked in the merge request, but more precisely https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtchooser - yes, a separate package that has been packaged
[11:55] <Quintasan> \o
[11:55] <jussi> heya Quintasan
[11:55] <Riddell> Mirv: looks good browsing over it, what's the next steps?
[11:56] <Quintasan> mikhas: ping
[11:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you dont need to copy build deps
[11:58] <Mirv> Riddell: the next step would be to get qtchooser and qt4-x11 into raring, after which we could start with qtbase and continue from there regarding Qt5. didrocks will be helping with Qt5 uploads and we'll go over those packages once more. I'm just updating to 5.0.1.
[11:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I made staging dep on regular thingy
[11:58] <shadeslayer> err
[11:58] <Mirv> Riddell: the order of components is roughly http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1616169/ ...
[11:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[11:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/LmsVehs.png
[11:59]  * apachelogger blinks
[11:59] <apachelogger> wtf
[12:00] <apachelogger> I am 100% sure I added it
[12:00] <Riddell> Mirv: I think I'd rather not upload qt4-x11 for some hours, we have a KDE 4.10.0 release today and I'd like that to be up first
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I definitely did not copy crap
[12:00] <apachelogger> lunchpad :@
[12:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:01] <shadeslayer> anyway
[12:01] <shadeslayer> I've copied it now
[12:01] <mikhas> Quintasan, pong
[12:02] <Riddell> Mirv: but qtchooser can go straight up, where's the packaging?
[12:02] <Riddell> Mirv: just the one here? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta-proper/+packages
[12:03] <Quintasan> mikhas: so, with Iain's help I've got maliit into Debian and Ubuntu, this went better than expected
[12:03] <Quintasan> mikhas: I will just maintain maliit in Debian and we kill two birds with one stone
[12:04] <Mirv> Riddell: right, just thought about it and pushed https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/+junk/qtchooser
[12:04] <mikhas> I am about killing birds as efficiently as possible.
[12:04] <mikhas> *I am all about
[12:04] <Mirv> the only changes to Debian are version number, the Conflicts line and maintainer
[12:04] <Quintasan> mikhas: Will there ever come the day when I can use maliit on Android?
[12:04] <Riddell> Mirv: oh so just a sync?
[12:04] <Mirv> indeed what https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper is
[12:04] <mikhas> Quintasan, depends on where Wayland is heading, right now.
[12:05] <Riddell> Mirv: no can sync, it's not in debian
[12:05] <mikhas> Personally, I am not interested in Android.
[12:05] <Mirv> Riddell: it's not uploaded into Debian yet. with all the release process going on, there wouldn't be much happening with NEW queue anyway. but I've worked all of my "Ubuntu packagin" so far that it's all identical to Debian git aside from the version number and maintainer fields
[12:05] <mikhas> Quintasan, is there a e-mail message or such that confirms it has been accepted?
[12:05] <Riddell> Mirv: that's the way to do it :)
[12:06] <Mirv> but we need to have "-0ubuntu1" version numbers since they haven't been uploaded to Debian yet
[12:06] <Mirv> Riddell: yes it is.. we've tried to do this as directly in Debian as possible, especially since I've my Debian hat
[12:06] <Quintasan> mikhas: AFAIR it's in Debian NEW and in Ubuntu -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework
[12:06] <Mirv> so I joined pkg-kde earlier
[12:07] <Quintasan> mikhas: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/maliit-framework_0.94.1-1.html
[12:08] <Mirv> with Qt5, we have 3-4 patches lying around that should be upstreamed and that I've so far considered Ubuntu specific and not pushed into Debian git
[12:12] <mikhas> nice
[12:14] <mikhas> Quintasan, want to announce this on Maliit ML?
[12:15] <Quintasan> well
[12:15] <Riddell> Mirv: sounds like you're doing all good stuff, there's a question of where to keep the qt packaging in ubuntu in version control, we use ~kubuntu-packagers for qt4 which you'd be welcome to join or we could start a new team or try and not have anything ubuntu specific (but that never works alas)
[12:15] <Quintasan> mikhas: I think I can but I'm not really good at being all official and whatnot :D
[12:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: now's a good chance to learn :)
[12:16] <Mirv> Riddell: certainly I could join kubuntu-packagers, there are enouh teams already
[12:17] <mikhas> Quintasan, I just did a quick post: https://plus.google.com/111638192127727919330/posts/8x22gbAmtDZ
[12:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: Any idea how can I get coresspodning dsc file from http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/maliit-framework_0.94.1-1.html ?
[12:19] <Mirv> when KDE starts to use Qt5, there will be probably some changes again compared to Debian at some point in time
[12:19] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Do you have a minute, I wanted to run a query by you in regard to the Uscan script ?
[12:19] <Mirv> and also if we need some Ubuntu specific patches that are not upstreamable (hopefully not)
[12:20] <Riddell> ricktimmis: sure
[12:20] <Mirv> but for historical reasons I think Kubuntu is a good home for Qt packaging ;)
[12:21] <Mirv> even though Qt is now used a bit here and there
[12:22] <ricktimmis> Riddell: thanks, So I have a script that downloads Sources, but many of them are not returned by apt-get sources instead it references Git, Bzr, Svn repos for the latest source archives. Does the script need to then download them from those archive, because if it does that's strike me as being a very difficult programming problem ?
[12:23] <ricktimmis> Riddell: What happens also, is that it seems plenty of source don't appear to have Watch files, so uscan returns nothing, does that matter ?
[12:24] <Riddell> ricktimmis: many packages will have lines saying where the packaging is held in vcs, that's only interesting if you're working on the packaging, for this script it needs to care about what's in the archive because that's what will be out of date
[12:25] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I am working on the copyright file for tomahawk and i have come across a class file. this is the header of the class file http://paste.kde.org/665948/ should this file be ignored or else what should i take for copyright info
[12:25] <Riddell> ricktimmis: apt-get source will still do this even if it also says "please use bzr://foo"
[12:26] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: you can ignore that
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[12:26] <Riddell> ricktimmis: if they don't have a watch file then it should probably be added so your script should just say "missing watch file"
[12:26] <shadeslayer> it's an autogenerated file
[12:26] <claydoh> Mamarok: I think we should, numerous past incidents warrant it, methinks. Plus, he may get a better answer on hardware in one of his other crossposted lists. 
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[12:26] <Mamarok> claydoh: OK
[12:27] <claydoh> Mamarok: sorry  for being slow, worked another overnight. Sunrise feels like sunset right now lol
[12:27] <Mamarok> no problem, I will moderate him
[12:29] <Mamarok> done
[12:29] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Right, OK this has been very useful, thanks I shall carry on. I'm still a little confused by the output from apt-get sources, but the man pages will fix that, so leave it with me. Thanks again
[12:30] <Riddell> ricktimmis: when updating the package there's no reliable way to know if you should get the packaging from the archive or whatever version control someone keeps it in, but the point of this script is to keep the archive up to date so that's what it should do
[12:31] <Quintasan> mikhas: should I post to maliit-announce@lists.maliit.org ?
[12:32] <mikhas> just maliit-discuss@
[12:32] <mikhas> maliit-announce is under moderation ;-)
[12:35] <Quintasan> oh
[12:35] <mikhas> well, send it to both
[12:36] <mikhas> I'll probably allow your e-mail ;-)
[12:37] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Ah right a little confusion again. Sudden thought, is the script comparing a local sources.list of packages against a local sources.list of source code. What I mean it should the script be doing apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-cache redepends, apt-get source, test watch files, run uscan, output. Is my thinking of the overall program flow correct please ? 
[12:38] <Riddell> ricktimmis: yes I think that's correct
[12:38] <Riddell> it means it needs to be run on an up to date machine or chroot but that's ok
[12:38] <Riddell> 4.10.0 going up
[12:39] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Ah ha, OK that's reassured me that I'm approaching it in the correct way, thanks.
[12:39] <Riddell> ricktimmis: it's comparing what's in the archive against what uscan and watch files considers the newest upstream version
[12:46] <Quintasan> mikhas: sent :D
[12:46]  * Quintasan tried to be official and whatnot
[12:46] <mikhas> Quintasan, you might get a lot of bug reports early on.
[12:46] <mikhas> Perhaps I should have told you before =p
[12:47] <Quintasan> mikhas: Like I did get in this whole stuff without expecting this much :D
[12:47] <mikhas> Where will bugs be reported?
[12:47] <mikhas> I doubt all bugs would go to bugs.maliit.org, that wouldnt make much sense if it was distro-specific
[12:48] <Quintasan> mikhas: Hmm, I forgot to mention that, well, you can either email me or Iain if it's a problem with packaging
[12:48] <Quintasan> mikhas: if the code does not work good then it's not really my fault ;)
[12:48] <mikhas> I can live with that.
[12:48] <Quintasan> At this stage we don't really do anything about your code, ie. no patching
[12:49] <Quintasan> The general policy is trying to keep the code upstream as much as possible
[12:49] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework is where bugs go :P
[12:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: implying we have enough people to sort this...oh wait I'm the maintainer
[12:50]  * Quintasan hides
[12:50] <mikhas> Quintasan, thanks a lot for your effort.
[12:50] <mikhas> apachelogger, ok
[12:50]  * apachelogger wonders why phonon's player class includes qdatetime :O
[12:51] <Quintasan> mikhas: You have to thank Laney for uploading it to Debian though, he did some work on his own and the end result is a merge of our work.
[12:51] <Quintasan> I was about to push it into Ubuntu only but then Laney told me that he would be happy to work with me on this
[12:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: you know he took all the credit for it in the work items :)
[12:52] <mikhas> such is life
[12:52] <mikhas> Quintasan, I know the real story though ;-)
[12:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: Really? Well, whatever, not that I really mind it though.
[12:53] <Quintasan> Well, I don't mind it enough to get angry over that
[12:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh, there are two blueprints containing maliit, I guess that rewards both of us :P
[12:56] <Riddell> everyone's a winner
[12:56] <apachelogger> you'll both get promoted to senior blueprint implementer; more work and same pay.
[12:57] <mikhas> I would suggest less pay
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> going out, bbl
[12:57] <Quintasan> mikhas: I already get nothing :D
[12:57] <mikhas> hah
[12:57] <apachelogger> perfect
[12:57] <apachelogger> you'll have to pay us to work on kubuntu
[12:57]  * Quintasan shakes fist at apachelogger
[12:57] <apachelogger> everyone's happy
[12:58] <Quintasan> I'm going to take half of your earnings
[12:58] <apachelogger> Riddell gets some more tablets and you get work on more blueprints :P
[12:58] <Riddell> hey there's a blueprint for tablet things!
[12:59] <apachelogger> do we have a blueprint for multimedia?
[12:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: about PMC, it works but I'm not sure we want it into archive
[12:59] <Quintasan> I tested it quite a while ago but I don't think much changed
[13:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: mm it's still full of problems last I tried
[13:00] <apachelogger> put the qt media center thing in, it's very neat
[13:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: only if you package it :P
[13:00] <Riddell> yeah that should be packaged too
[13:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: so, we want a package for PMC?
[13:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no, I am fixing phonon by breaking phonon
[13:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: well only in a PPA probably
[13:00] <jussi> Quintasan: half of Riddell's earnings is like 10x what you should get anyway :P
[13:01] <Quintasan> jussi: gibe moneyz pls
[13:01] <Riddell> gosh, harsh
[13:01] <jussi> haha
[13:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >apachelogger
[13:01] <Quintasan> >fixing
[13:01] <Quintasan> pick one
[13:01] <Quintasan> :P
[13:02] <apachelogger> SIGSEV
[13:02] <Riddell> jussi: the helsinki city atmosphere is not improving your manners!
[13:02] <Quintasan> as expected
[13:02] <jussi> Riddell: haha, I like teasing Quintasan :P :P 
[13:02]  * jussi hugs Quintasan
[13:02]  * Quintasan pats jussi
[13:02] <apachelogger> yofel: u saw my msg on broken newpackage?
[13:03] <Quintasan> It seems like you have too much free time jussi, you could go back to working :P
[13:03]  * apachelogger tells jussi and Quintasan to stop flooding
[13:03] <jussi> apachelogger: w
[13:03] <yofel> I did, just no time to figure out a proper solution. (Other than making strings out of both values)
[13:03] <jussi> apachelogger: h
[13:03] <jussi> apachelogger: a
[13:03] <jussi> apachelogger: t
[13:03] <jussi> apachelogger: ?
[13:03] <apachelogger> that does it
[13:03]  * Quintasan tells apachelogger to either break or fix Phonon, not both at once
[13:03] <jussi> sorry, Ill be good :)
[13:03] <apachelogger> if (GSTREAMER_FOUND AND GSTREAMER_PLUGIN_VIDEO_FOUND AND GSTREAMER_PLUGIN_AUDIO_FOUND AND GSTREAMER_PLUGIN_PBUTILS_FOUND AND GLIB2_FOUND AND GOBJECT_FOUND AND LIBXML2_FOUND)
[13:03] <apachelogger> there
[13:03] <apachelogger> read that
[13:03] <apachelogger> then tell me what it says
[13:04] <Quintasan> well
[13:04] <yofel> breakage++
[13:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: to unbreak what is broken one needs to break it first, then throw it away and start from scratch
[13:04] <Quintasan> doesn't that look for all stuff mentioned here?
[13:04] <apachelogger> it's the circle of life^Wsoftware
[13:04] <Quintasan> and if one of those is not found then it will fail
[13:04] <Quintasan> what's wrong with that?
[13:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: say I add two dependencies, what will happen?
[13:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you will have to add them there?
[13:07] <Quintasan> to the if I mean
[13:08] <apachelogger> say I then add an alternate dependency, e.g. instead of libxml2 you can also build with libxml3, what will happen?
[13:08] <Quintasan> well
[13:08] <Quintasan> brekage?
[13:08] <Quintasan> or
[13:08] <Quintasan> LIBXML2_FOUND OR LIBXML3_FOUND?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> AND ( LIBXML2_FOUND OR LIBXML3_FOUND)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:09] <shadeslayer> assuming CMake can handle the braces and what not
[13:09] <apachelogger> your or caused breakage, we are getting there :P
[13:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: now say one variable changes name and we add another dependency, what happens? :P
[13:10] <Quintasan> more changes to the if
[13:10] <apachelogger> how long is the if now? :P
[13:10] <Quintasan> long long
[13:10] <apachelogger> more like unsigned long long actually :P
[13:10] <apachelogger> is that good
[13:10] <Quintasan> unsigned long long long even
[13:10] <apachelogger> ?
[13:10] <Quintasan> dunno, if that's what you need to get it working
[13:11] <apachelogger> is it?
[13:11] <Quintasan> is there a way around it?
[13:11] <apachelogger> sure there is
[13:11] <apachelogger> you could store all the vars in a list and loop evaluate that
[13:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is it just me or is seeking in tomahawk not working wiht pgst 463?
[13:13] <jussi> agateau: ping when youve a minute please PM me.
[13:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: local files
[13:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll do a quick pacakge of PMC and upload to Experimental okay?
[13:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: You can't.
[13:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh, I see. Well, I just wait for it to get accepted
[13:23] <ScottK> Is it important to get it quickly?
[13:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: Not really, I just wanted to have a local copy of what's in Debian
[13:24] <ScottK> OK.
[13:24] <ScottK> I'd just ask whoever uploaded it to publish it elsewhere for you to grab.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: isn't there one already somewhere?
[13:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is there? I don't remember doing anything
[13:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: dunno just search on launchpad, maybe not
[13:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I'm done
[13:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: that didn't take long :)
[13:43] <Quintasan> It's a simple package I think
[13:44] <Mirv> pushed qtchooser and Qt5's qtbase to under kubuntu-packaging as first steps
[13:50] <snele> kde 4.10 works great in precise. thank you guys for backporting it
[13:50] <Riddell> snele: tested from ninjas?
[13:50] <Riddell> Mirv: awooga
[13:51] <snele> Riddell: I beleive i got it from beta ppa
[13:51] <snele> where rc3 was
[13:52] <Riddell> snele: ah that's just rc3
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll have a looky loo
[13:52] <Riddell> snele: fancy being a tester for 4.10.0?
[13:53] <Riddell> oh looks like it's in backports already
[13:53] <snele> Riddell: It is 4.10.0
[13:53] <snele> :)
[13:54] <Riddell> snele: great thanks for testing
[13:54] <Riddell> snele: could you mark it on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas ?
[13:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: pmc packaged and uploaded to experimental, should be done shortly
[13:57] <Riddell> awooga
[13:57] <snele> Riddell: how to mark it? :) 
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ok good I'll have to switch to my 12.10 install and check it out 
[13:58] <Riddell> snele: under Precise remoave "needs-packaging" and add "tested from backports snele"
[13:59] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw, where had you got to with calligra?
[13:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's a snapshot from git so I can update it every now and then
[13:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wfm
[13:59] <smartboyhw> damn that is a whole lot .install files to fix...
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, trying to complete it.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you have a fast machine and run debuild off https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/calligra/2.6.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[14:01] <snele> Riddell: done
[14:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: want an ec2?
[14:02] <Riddell> snele: thanks
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, need to:)
[14:02] <smartboyhw> The build will fail but that's exactly what I need
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can I access the files of ec2 after build?
[14:03] <snele> Riddell: do you plan to backport kscreen to precise? 
[14:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you can do whatever you like, it's just a server
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good then I want one:)
[14:04] <Riddell> snele: I've no plans for that no, volunteers welcome as ever
[14:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ubuntu@ec2-23-22-18-255.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to connect? You know that I knew nothing about ec2s:P
[14:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's one of the expensive ones so make sure to tell me when you're done
[14:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ssh
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how do I use it?
[14:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: like any other computer
[14:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you know how to use a command line?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> I know
[14:09] <Riddell> e.g. you can use the command wall to send a message
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Damn I can't bzr branch that calligra one
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what are you trying?
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, getting the calligra thing built
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes but specifically what command
[14:10]  * smartboyhw is a idiot on servers
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bzr branch that specific branch
[14:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: so you're running  bzr branch lp:~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/calligra/2.6.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[14:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you'll need your .ssh key and .bazaar settings to make it work
[14:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you can just copy those to the server but you must never let me have access to your secret .ssh key so you need to kick me off first
[14:14] <Riddell> which you can do by killing my ssh connection or bash instance
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I give up then..... it's really difficult to do so
[14:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no it's not, it's just a few new things to learn!
[14:14] <Riddell> don't give up!
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I exited already
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I might try to put the source up into PPA though afterwards:)
[14:15] <Riddell> tsk, you'll never become an elite hacker if you give up that easy
[14:16] <Quintasan> 1337 m4d hax00r skills are acquired through constant effort!
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell,  don't try will try in another day
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Now I wanted calligra out a.s.a.p. especially since the translations are out I think
[14:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is that so?
[14:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/666050/
[14:19] <apachelogger> what's that if do? :P
[14:20] <vassie> Riddell: did my cantata package get fixed?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:20] <vassie> Riddell: if not i'll fix it when i'm back
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that is just screwed up code
[14:20] <Riddell> vassie: I don't think I saw phoenix doing that yet
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that just sample code?
[14:21] <apachelogger> no
[14:21] <apachelogger> that is production code :P
[14:21] <shadeslayer> or is that actual code used in .. OH MY GOD
[14:21] <vassie> Riddell: np, i assume it's an easy fix
[14:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >!!b_old_video != !!b_video
[14:21] <Quintasan> what the
[14:21] <Quintasan> !@%!#!@
[14:21] <Quintasan> holy mother of god
[14:21] <shadeslayer> haha
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why?!?!
[14:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what the hell are you doing in the multimedia lands?
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cause it is cool :P
[14:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no it's not :P
[14:22] <snele> pfff I already found regression in 4.10. Spacing in notification pop-up is wrong/bad  http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2P/9W/VBg08YJ/snapshot1.png
[14:22] <apachelogger> :(
[14:22] <Quintasan> couldnt you make
[14:22] <Quintasan> !!b_old_video != !!b_video
[14:22] <Quintasan> like
[14:23] <Quintasan> b_old_video != b_video?
[14:23] <Quintasan> double negation ususally yields the same thing
[14:23] <shadeslayer> usually? :D
[14:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I can imagine the double negation is used there for some reason
[14:24] <Quintasan> or they do it just to make their code horrible
[14:24] <shadeslayer> didn't apachelogger just say that it's used to make them cool :P
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I think they get drunk at Randa and write all of their code
[14:25] <Quintasan> I can QUITE imagine that
[14:25] <shadeslayer> then they release it in incremental bits so that no one suspects foul play
[14:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: We've discovered your evil plot!
[14:28] <apachelogger> hm
[14:28] <apachelogger> lolo
[14:29] <apachelogger> you are all crazy
[14:29] <apachelogger> making conspiracy theories like that
[14:30] <shadeslayer> they're not crazy, they're true
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: still there?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep. Now I'm putting the fixed package onto a PPA to build
[14:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ok, I have it on the ec2 server as well if you want to build it there
[14:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what if it had been C? :P
[14:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how that would be different?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait for a minute
[14:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ssh ubuntu@ec2-23-22-18-255.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: then run   byobu
[14:34] <soee> hi :) do we have already 4.10 packages for quantal ?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: asking you I am :P
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger copied them to kubuntu backports ppa
[14:35] <soee> nice, will upgrade tonight
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, update the branch in bzr please:)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> I will then build it
[14:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: voila
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, er!?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> I am playing with byobu now:P
[14:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I can spy on you
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx for spying:P
[14:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so? :P
[14:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just use debuild to compile
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL it is difficult I need to sudo apt-get build-dep that
[14:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think you broke Quintasan :P
[14:43] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:43] <shadeslayer> no you did
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: go ahead thne
[14:43] <apachelogger> did not
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: go ahead then
[14:43] <shadeslayer> by showing him weird code
[14:43] <apachelogger> it's not weird at all
[14:44] <apachelogger> in C it would be perfectly sane
[14:44] <shadeslayer> eh ...
[14:44] <smartboyhw> I like ec2s!!!!
[14:44] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: (int != 0) = !!int
[14:45] <shadeslayer> why the double '!'
[14:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:46] <shadeslayer> er
[14:46] <shadeslayer> whut
[14:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they have a local mirror so are pretty fast to download packages
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does not compute
[14:46] <shadeslayer> (int != 0) = !!int vs (int != 0) = int
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it's not fast, lt's light speed:P
[14:46] <shadeslayer> the former is just screwed up
[14:48] <apachelogger> int != 0 does not evaluate to int
[14:48] <apachelogger> int != 0 evalutes to 0/1
[14:48] <apachelogger> it's a truth statement
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hm, true, so what does !int evaluate to
[14:49] <apachelogger> 0/1
[14:49] <shadeslayer> oh ... okay
[14:49]  * shadeslayer facepalms
[14:49] <apachelogger> !int = (int == 0)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I finally understand
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in the code sample from ealier you could technically drop the second bool b_video and instead use i_vout (int) in the expression eliminating the second line completely
[14:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: see, now you're an elite hacker
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can't you compare booleans in an if?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:53] <shadeslayer> if ( true == true )
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: BUT then you coerce the int i_vout into a bool which some compilers like to warn about,
[14:53] <apachelogger> !! causes evaluationg not coercion so no warning
[14:54] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[14:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nothing I believe
[14:54] <Quintasan> I'm not sure but I think that's valid C
[14:55] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain msvc has that problem :)
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so my question is, why can't we just use if( b_old_video != b_video ) when both vars are boolean?
[14:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: now I'm not sure that built is using both CPUs
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh!?
[14:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can
[14:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it might be faster to do  control-C then cd obj-*; make -j2 && cd .. && debuild -nc
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ahh
[14:56] <apachelogger> the code was ported from C though and whoever ported it did not care about it not making any sense
 shadeslayer: BUT then you coerce the int i_vout into a bool which some compilers like to warn about,
[14:56] <apachelogger> as I said
[14:56] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got it
[14:56] <apachelogger> if you were to get rid of line 2 you'd have to compare int with bool
[14:58] <shadeslayer> righto
[14:58] <jackyalcine> hey guys
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, I think there even is at least one semi-popular compiler that likes to think of if (0/1 != 5) as coercion for some reason ;)
[14:58] <jackyalcine> 4.10 is in backports or updates? o_O?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> which one is that?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> jackyalcine: backports
[14:58] <apachelogger> can't remember
[14:58] <shadeslayer> well .. it should be
[14:59] <shadeslayer> why would it be in updates?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> jackyalcine: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[14:59] <jackyalcine> thanks
[14:59] <jackyalcine> shadeslayer: figured since it was released, it'd be available :(
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, I think it was a solaris thing
[14:59] <apachelogger> really not sure though
[15:00] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:00] <shadeslayer> jackyalcine: it is available :)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> just not publically announced
[15:00] <Riddell> backports is full, no space for l10n
[15:00] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: delete old l10n first?
[15:00] <jackyalcine> lol, that's possible?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ask for moar space?
[15:00]  * jackyalcine TIL
[15:02] <shadeslayer> jackyalcine: well .... usually the announcement on kubuntu.org and copying is simultaneous
[15:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's the 4.10 non-private PPA for raring?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> but we hadn't uploaded to raring yet, so no announcement yet
[15:02] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: there is none?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> the archive?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh that's why.
[15:05] <shadeslayer> that's why?
[15:14] <Riddell> Mirv: looks like qtchooser will break things unless uploaded with the qt4-x11 changes so I'll wait for kde 4.10.0 to get in before doing that
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: FYI, I passed http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.qt.devel/9759 on to the Ubuntu Security team.  I believe they are taking care of it.  As usual, I'm sure they'd love help.
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm I didn't notice that, thanks for the pointer
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I might not be able to stay till the build of calligra finishes. Can you send me an email via Launchpad if it failed? If it doesn't, then please help me to merge it through https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/calligra/2.6.0-0ubuntu1/+merge/146644
[15:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yep
[15:37] <Riddell> it's out! http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.10/
[15:38] <shadeslayer> errr?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[15:38] <shadeslayer> It was out this morning :P
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Yeah!!!
[15:38] <Riddell> shall I put a story on kubuntu.org ?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah!!!!!
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, tell the people in #kubuntu too:)
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah :)
[15:39] <yofel> let shadeslayer take care of google+. But then those folks are rather quick at noticing themselves
[15:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:40] <shadeslayer> once you put the story on kubuntu.org I'll share it on G+
[15:42] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nice:)
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no it's not, there's an error!
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[15:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Where?
[15:48] <Riddell> fixed
[15:48] <Riddell> there was still a referece to beta
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Ah
[15:50] <snele> guys anybody on kde 4.10 can confirm this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314520 
[15:51] <snele> it seems that only I see it and pisses me off :(
[15:52] <Riddell> snele: my notifications appear in the middle of my screen :(
[15:55] <snele> Riddell: ahhh I thought that kde 4.10.0 will be perfect kde release. but no, rc3 was!!! already found 2 visual glitches that wasn't there in rc3 :(
[15:55] <smartboyhw> Oh no
[16:24] <Riddell> hi phoenix_firebrd, how did you get on with ktp and/or cantanta?
[16:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ktp is no hold, i understood the concept thanks for our team's patience. I am working on the tomahawk and after finishing that i will do the cantanta, when i did dget i got some key error, i will consult with you when i am on it
[16:27] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: hello, thank you :)
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: you are not on holidays?
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: yw
[16:27] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: flying out tomorrow night
[16:28] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: can't wait
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: enjoy :)
[16:28] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: thanks
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: there is one thing you need to help me
[16:28] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: sure
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: the packages are not signed?
[16:32] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: here is the log http://paste.kde.org/666170/
[16:33] <vassie> phoenix_firebrd: what do i need to do?
[16:33] <Tm_T> so, is KDE sc 4.10 packages out for Quantal and Precise or not?
[16:33] <Tm_T> ooh they are, thanks
[16:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/666170/  ?
[16:34] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: did you sign the package?
[16:35] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: pretty sure i did, the ones in my ppa are signed, i'm 99% sure https://launchpad.net/~vassie/+archive/ppa
[16:35] <popey> greetings! 
[16:36] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: its not a issue
[16:36] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: it's fine just carry on anyone
[16:36] <Riddell> anyway
[16:36] <Riddell> good afternoon popey 
[16:36] <popey> a user is asking me if we can get kdenlive 0.9.4 into raring. it's in debian experimental. what's the best course to get it in?
[16:37] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: ok, i am around tomorrow for a few hours if needed, then off to the airport
[16:37] <popey> pip pip Riddell 
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok
[16:37] <Tm_T> hi popey
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: ok, but i am sure thats all i need
[16:37] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: cool
[16:37] <Riddell> popey: file a sync request bug and poke us here?
[16:38] <vassie> phoenix_firebird: thanks again
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> vassie: :)
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: what's your timezone?
[16:39] <popey> Riddell: super!
[16:39] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: bang on UTC
[16:40] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[16:48] <freinhard> hi! thx for backporting 4.10!
[16:51] <Riddell> freinhard: how's it working?
[16:56] <freinhard> Riddell: no drawbacks at first-sight with kmail, korganizer/kaddressbook (owncloud connection) and desktop this afternoon
[16:57] <freinhard> Riddell: noticed that my desktop gets locked after a while (which i didn't configure previously)
[16:58] <freinhard> Riddell: and the new background on the greeter is a relief.
[16:58] <Riddell> freinhard: it has a new screen locker so you might have to reconfigure it
[17:32] <xnox> Riddell: shadeslayer: ScottK: i saw remember that somebody was working on adding camera step in the ubiquity-kde?!
[17:32] <ScottK> Not me.
[17:32] <xnox> is that finished / done & targetted at 13.04?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> yes me
[17:33] <shadeslayer> I'm targetting it at 13.04, plan to finish it off at some point next week
[17:33] <xnox> right, on gtk side I am planning to drop it from gtk side. I will keep the generic bits upstream but not in the ubiquity package.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:33] <xnox> And when/if you are ready, I will add it back into -kde package.
[17:33] <xnox> If you still want to go with camera step.
[17:34] <shadeslayer> wait, so you're removing it because the KDE frontend doesn't have that step?
[17:34] <xnox> we did some usability testing, and it tested bad: people not looking pretty enough and feeling bad about themself.
[17:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:34] <xnox> as they were not ready to be photographed.
[17:35] <xnox> little added value and loads of confusion ("Will you sell my picture for advertisement?") came up.
[17:35]  * xnox blames instagram fiasco
[17:35] <shadeslayer> well .. I was just bringing the KDE frontend to be the same level of shinyness
[17:35] <shadeslayer> but if that's what user feedback says, I'll drop it too
[17:35] <xnox> I think it's a cool feature.
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:35] <shadeslayer> me too
[17:36] <xnox> But we were not shoing it much in gtk/unity default desktop/login manager.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> but I don't want to go against user feedback :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> I might actually implement the face chooser though
[17:36] <xnox> but kde installer is significantly different and can be nicer.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> the thing that sets ~/.face
[17:37] <shadeslayer> because that setting is fairly hidden IMHO
[17:38] <xnox> right. Just heads up for you to ponder about ;-)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> thanks! :D
[18:17] <ronnoc> Awesome job getting 4.10 out so fast! 
[18:24] <allee> shadeslayer, xnox: camera setup would be cool.  There should only be the alternative to choose from an icon set.  (grr why not ~/.local/face ?)
[18:24] <allee> looks like 'xdg'  .config .local is often ignored
[18:26] <shadeslayer> actually, the xdg spec was changed to ~/.face afaik
[18:26] <allee> shadeslayer: plx finish it  B|
[18:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:26] <shadeslayer> I'll try
[18:26] <allee> \o/
[18:27] <shadeslayer> allee: I actually have it working
[18:27] <shadeslayer> but apachelogger is bitching about doing stuff in an event loop
[18:27] <shadeslayer> so I need to fix that ;)
[18:28] <allee> shadeslayer: less blocking is welcome!  Take your time.  I'll test whenever ready.
[19:27] <freinhard> are there calligra 2.6 packages already?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:29] <shadeslayer> I see 2.6 packages for raring
[19:30] <shadeslayer> nothing for quantal/precise
[19:30] <shadeslayer> freinhard: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra
[19:45] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to sleep, night everyone
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good night
[20:02] <bolo> did you guys package plasmate for the 4.10 backports ppa? i can't find it...
[20:03] <shadeslayer> bolo: no
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Plasmate has no stable release
[20:04] <bolo> i am missing "plasmoidviewer"(was there in 4.9) was that moved into plasmate but not released ?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> bolo: yeah 
[20:07] <shadeslayer> it was moved from -workspace to plasmate, which does not have a proper release yet
[20:08] <bolo> thanks.
[20:09] <bolo> guess i have to learn how to package stuff now...  :)
[20:09] <bolo> couldn't find a ppa for it
[20:10] <shadeslayer> well .. you could just compile it for now
[20:12] <bolo> sure. do you know if there will be release soonish? or do i have to wait for 4.11
[20:25] <phoenix_firebrd> good night everyone
[20:27] <petersaints_> will Calligra 2.6 also be backported to Quantal?
[20:28] <ScottK> Probably in the backports PPA.
[20:28] <petersaints_> yeah. That's what I meant :P
[21:00] <freinhard> shadeslayer: k, so calligra needs someone to backport
[22:45] <afiestas> shadeslayer: will you have time to package accounts-manager this weekend? it should be working by then
[22:48] <apachelogger> afiestas: does it have a repo yet?
[22:48] <afiestas> apachelogger: scratch
[22:48] <afiestas> want to package it asap to be sure it gets in
[22:48] <afiestas> it is quite simple, so it shouldn't have too many bugs, also I want string freeze this week
[22:48] <afiestas> so i18n can happen
[22:49] <apachelogger> afiestas: user-manager?
[22:49] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes
[22:50] <apachelogger> missing COPYING file as usual :P
[23:03] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/LvMgZFK.png
[23:03] <apachelogger> it appears kubuntu teams got slightly out of hand...
[23:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: just shows how popular we are
[23:09] <apachelogger> I guess
[23:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[23:12] <apachelogger> oh well
[23:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lp:~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/scratch-master
[23:12] <apachelogger> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/user-manager-daily
[23:12] <apachelogger> feel free to move stuff around as you see fit in case that goes to blue-shell