[04:32] <cortexA9> hello
[04:32] <cortexA9> the daily of today have kde 4.10 ?
[04:33] <cortexA9> hello, the daily of today have kde 4.10 ?
[04:33] <cortexA9> hello all
[06:39] <Guest31124> hi
[06:46] <noaXess> morning.
[06:47] <noaXess> hey.. anybody also have strange System Tray Problems? i get plasma crashes and then in the System Tray some entries will be duplicated or added, look at this http://i.imgur.com/1Cbskja.png
[06:47] <noaXess> needed to remove system tray, cause the whole panel get suck
[07:38] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[07:39] <shadeslayer> noaXess: looks like a bug in KSNI
[07:39] <shadeslayer> or some other app
[07:46] <backjlack> Hello.
[07:46] <backjlack> What's wrong with Kubuntu? I've tried everything I possibly could find on the web to try to make Krunner actually start on every boot.
[07:47] <backjlack> Also, the log out / sleep / shutdown / restart options don't do anything at all every second boot.
[07:53] <shadeslayer> krunner does start on every boot 0.o
[07:53] <shadeslayer> what happens if you press alt+F2
[07:55] <backjlack>   shadeslayer: It doesn't show up...
[07:55] <shadeslayer> huh
[07:55] <backjlack> I have to start krunner manually.
[07:56] <backjlack> If I want to use krunner to launch apps, I have to start it manually.
[07:56] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[07:56] <shadeslayer> maybe #kde can help
[07:56] <shadeslayer> though I don't know why that would happen, and don't know what starts krunner in the first place
[07:57] <shadeslayer> backjlack: make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:57] <backjlack> Yes, I'm 100% sure.
[07:57] <backjlack> This install was done by using the 12.04 install kit.
[07:57] <backjlack> It's fully updated and I've been having this problem for some time.
[07:58] <backjlack> I've even reinstalled the kubuntu-desktop package to be 100% sure it's installed with all its deps.
[07:59] <shadeslayer> hmm, then I have no idea
[07:59] <backjlack> http://paste.kde.org/665768/
[07:59] <backjlack> This is what I get in kdm.log.
[07:59] <shadeslayer> errr
[08:00] <shadeslayer> that's not good
[08:00] <shadeslayer> and I was about to say it could be a dbus issue
[08:00] <backjlack> Yes, I have to get this dbus issue fixed.
[08:00] <shadeslayer> backjlack: check if dbus-x11 and dbus are installed?
[08:01] <backjlack> I've reinstalled them by hand, they were already at the latest versions.
[08:02] <shadeslayer> backjlack: can you check what happens if you launch kdeinit4 by hand ( in a terminal )
[08:02] <shadeslayer> once you've logged in
[08:02] <backjlack> I get the same error.
[08:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[08:03] <shadeslayer> backjlack: eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax`
[08:03] <shadeslayer> that will print out some vars
[08:03] <shadeslayer> please export them in bash, and then try launching kdeinit4
[08:05] <backjlack> shadeslayer: That worked, however, it couldn't start because it can't connect to the screen.
[08:05] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:05] <shadeslayer> export DISPLAY=:0
[08:05] <shadeslayer> then kdeinit4
[08:06] <backjlack> It threw an error saying it can't communicate with kded.
[08:07] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[08:07] <shadeslayer> backjlack: run kded4
[08:07] <shadeslayer> your install seems a bit screwed up
[08:08] <backjlack> shadeslayer: Thank you. I'll try to reinstall all the packages for kde.
[08:08] <shadeslayer> well ... did you edit startkde or any system files?
[08:09] <shadeslayer> and did running kded4 work?
[09:36] <duderino> booting SLES with init=/bin/bash, but no usb-keyboard available - any ideas?
[09:38] <backjlack> duderino: How
[09:38] <markit> kubuntu 13.04 live cd, I set "kubuntu" user a password, add it to a group, logout,  but at login I'm asked for the password and does not work (can't login again). Any clue?
[09:38] <backjlack> How's that related to kubuntu, duderino?
[09:41] <duderino> oh sorry backjlack - wrong forum ;) - but same problem surely for kubuntu, because kernel related?
[09:41] <mokush> when are the kubuntu packages for 4.10 showing up?
[09:47] <shadeslayer> almost there
[10:17] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[10:22] <Peace-> hi phoenix_firebrd
[10:23] <osinclair> seems packaging 4.10 is underway?
[10:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: hi
[10:23] <phoenix_firebrd> osinclair: ya
[10:24] <osinclair> goodie, I had a look on kubuntu_devel but the activities going are way above my levle
[10:24] <osinclair> level
[10:25] <FtMan__> hi,guys,while i'm using vim the state said: = s:siso_save,what does that meaning?
[10:26] <kbroulik> is anybody else experiencing frequent hickups on Kubuntu Raring? when I change to another directory in dolphin I often get the entire system freezing for a second or two, when interacting with plasmoids (ie. click the battery monitor or NM applet)
[10:41] <Peace-> kbroulik: mmm i have seen dolphin freeze on 4.9.98
[10:42] <kbroulik> Peace-: but it is not limited to dolphin, it's the entire system. sometimes when I close a tab in Chrome it freezes for a couple of seconds, sometimes when I start an application …
[10:42] <markit> anyone using apt-cacher-ng? I've a lot of troubles with "not found" or "Data integrity error when decompressing"
[10:43] <Peace-> kbroulik: on raring chrome gives me problem of cpu usage
[10:43] <Peace-> kbroulik: switched back to firefox
[10:43] <kbroulik> hmm
[10:43] <kbroulik> yeah since version 18 chromium's quality goes down with every release :(
[10:44] <Peace-> kbroulik: i use konqueror with webkit for fast and light browsing
[10:44] <Peace-> and firefox when it doesn't work good
[10:44] <kbroulik> I tried rekonq (which is basically the same rendering engine) but it doesn't fit my need
[10:47] <Peace-> kbroulik: try konqueror with webkit
[10:48] <kbroulik> has the same weird tab bar, so, no :)
[10:48] <Peace-> ok
[11:42] <mr0wl> So, we're getting the KDE 4.10 updating via Backports, am I right?
[11:43] <osinclair> mr0wl: I just did apt-get update and got 300+ packages to update and yes backport
[11:44] <osinclair> hm, that is an assumption actually... on 12.10 could be updates, not backports?
[11:48] <osinclair> mr0wl: should be kubuntu-updates for 12.10 and backports for 12.04
[11:48] <osinclair> if released for Precise, I don't kow
[11:48] <osinclair> know
[11:49] <mr0wl> osinclair: okay, thank you
[11:49] <mr0wl> do you also know if 4.10 will include the appmenu feature?
[11:49] <mr0wl> to hide the menu bar?
[11:49] <osinclair> mr0wl: am wrong, checked on 12.10 and it is backports here
[11:49] <osinclair> mr0wl: as it is part of 4.10 I assume
[11:52] <mr0wl> osinclair: oh okay
[11:52] <mr0wl> yeah,  i was looking at PPA it was all 4.10
[11:52] <mr0wl> pretty cool to get an update right after KDE.org anounces it
[11:53] <osinclair> mr0wl: will wait until announcement is made myself, have happened some packages come late
[11:54] <osinclair> and then you can get problems, take my word for it
[11:55] <mr0wl> osinclair: hah that's true
[11:55] <mr0wl> but it just finished updating
[11:55] <mr0wl> going brb and see what i've got
[12:09] <mr0wl> osinclair: works pretty well so far
[12:09] <osinclair> mr0wl: also taking the jump here :-)
[12:17] <mr0wl> osinclair: nice!
[12:34] <backjlack> shadeslayer: kded was already running.
[12:34] <backjlack> shadeslayer: I didn't edit any system files.
[12:35] <backjlack> This problem was temporarily fixed once or twice by completely erasing my .kde folder.
[12:35] <backjlack> However, I'm still unable to log out, sleep, restart or shutdown the system. It looks like it's broken all the time now.
[12:35] <backjlack> I can only reboot and shutdown via the console.
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, I'm trying to copy an event in kontact calendar. How do I do that?
[12:45] <osinclair_> mr0wl: how u get that appmenu setting?
[12:58] <mokie> hello
[12:58] <mokie> Will be available kde 4.10 for kubuntu 12.10?
[12:58] <mokie> I have enabled kubuntu ppa
[12:59] <Eversmann> Hey. Right now i have kde 4.10 rc3 from the kubuntu-ppa beta and the kubuntu-ppa, no packages yet
[12:59] <Eversmann> i guess those will be avaiable during the day
[12:59] <mokie> i have this repository
[12:59] <Eversmann> Arch and suse have it already
[13:00] <mokie> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[13:01] <Eversmann> yeah, that's it. The update should be there any moment
[13:01] <mokie> ok, thanks
[13:01] <Eversmann> I'm searching around the forums to see if there are any news about it
[13:01] <mokie> i've been receiving all the 4.9.x updates but i didnt know about that
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> I just got KDE 4.10 on kubuntu 14.04 with backports :D
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> rebooting to see the changes
[13:03] <mokie> 12.04 i guess
[13:04] <Eversmann> hehe, yeah
[13:08] <Eversmann> hey Mokie. Like ovidiu-florin said, i see the 4.10 packages are in the backports ppa
[13:08] <Eversmann> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[13:09] <Eversmann> nothing in kubuntu updates ppa
[13:09] <mokie> yeah, i know that there are on the backports
[13:09] <mokie> i hope it will be on the kubuntu updates
[13:10] <backjlack> It won't be in updates.
[13:10] <backjlack> It will only be in backports.
[13:11] <Eversmann> "Backports of new versions of KDE and major KDE apps for Kubuntu which are either too large a change or not yet tested enough to go to Ubuntu Backports."
[13:11] <Eversmann> i guess so ;-)
[13:11] <Eversmann> updating
[13:11] <backjlack> 12.04 didn't receive 4.9.x outside of the ppa.
[13:13] <mokie> so the only way to get kde 4.10 on kubuntu 12.10 will be the backports repository?
[13:13] <Tm_T> yes because it is a backport
[13:14] <Eversmann> don't know in the future, right now the packages are there (compiled 3 hours ago)
[13:14] <Eversmann> yeah, like Tm_T said
[13:14] <Tm_T> Eversmann: they're not really ready for consumption necessarily until it's announced I'd say
[13:14] <Eversmann> i hope they fix the blur delay in final
[13:15] <Eversmann> Ok ;-) in any case, i'm keeping both repositories
[13:15] <mokie> ok, it seems that we have to wait and see
[13:16] <clodblue> hi everybody
[13:16] <Eversmann> hey
[13:16] <backjlack> Time to reboot to find out if the issue with the missing krunner and log off / sleep / shutdown / reboot is fixed with 4.10.
[13:16] <clodblue> The splitted zip archive which is made with zip command can not be extracted with ark and can not be opened with 7zip on windows.
[13:17] <clodblue> could anyone help
[13:18] <clodblue> with normal whole zip archive there is no problem
[13:19] <Eversmann> did you try running unzip in command line using the first zip file of the collection?
[13:19] <clodblue> anyone wondering that sutiaton. Could try on their system
[13:19] <backjlack> KDE 4.10 is nice. It also fixed my problems.
[13:20] <Eversmann> cool backjlack
[13:21] <backjlack> Just so everyone knows and sees this: if anyone encounters problems with krunner not running or they're unable to log off / sleep / restart / shutdown, please tell them to install KDE 4.10 from the ppa. It fixes the problems.
[13:22] <backjlack> It's time for me to join KDE now: http://jointhegame.kde.org/
[13:22] <Eversmann> ok, i'm installing the update right now, let's see if they fix the blur delays
[13:26] <backjlack> Eversmann: If that was being caused by bad performance, it might be fixed.
 now i realise the unzip commnad not working also
[13:27] <JuJuBee> I have a couple of users who cannot logout.  When they click logout, nothing seems to happen.  Suggestions?  I know we can mv .kde .kde.old and this seems to correct the problem but then they need to reconfigure kde to their liking.
[13:27] <Eversmann> ok. I'll rebooting, i'll tell in a minute. With 4.9 i didn't have the problem, let's see.....
 i have this files books.z01  books.z02  books.zip
 unzip books.zip
[13:28] <clodblue> Archive:  books.zip
[13:28] <clodblue> warning [books.zip]:  zipfile claims to be last disk of a multi-part archive;
[13:28] <clodblue>   attempting to process anyway, assuming all parts have been concatenated
[13:28] <clodblue>   together in order.  Expect "errors" and warnings...true multi-part support
[13:28] <clodblue>   doesn't exist yet (coming soon).
[13:29] <clodblue> file #1:  bad zipfile offset (local header sig):  4
[13:29] <FloodBotK1> clodblue: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:31] <clodblue> what is my problem anyone could help
[13:33] <tsimpson> clodblue: you need to concatenate the parts into one zip file
[13:33] <tsimpson> "Multi-part  archives  are  not yet supported, except in conjunction with zip.  (All parts must be concatenated together in order, and then ``zip -F'' (for zip 2.x) or ``zip -FF'' (for zip 3.x) must be performed on the concatenated archive in order to ``fix'' it." -- from the man page for unzip
[13:34] <mr0wl> hi BluesKaj
[13:34] <BluesKaj> hi mr0wl
[13:35] <clodblue> tsimpson: thanks i will try
[13:38] <clodblue> tsimpson: Thank you very much it works
[13:39] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[13:41] <c2tarun> anyone here able to make KDE look like Mac?
[13:43] <lordievader> c2tarun: There is probably something on the following link that can do so: http://kde-look.org/
[13:43] <FlameReaper> Well, some Kwin / deKorator themes
[13:43] <c2tarun> lordievader: there is many in gnome-look but only one in kde-look, and that also not close to mac :(
[13:44] <c2tarun> FlameReaper: what is dekorator themes?
[13:44] <FlameReaper> mixed with some QtCurve customization
[13:44] <FlameReaper> c2tarun: honestly I have less idea about that myself :(
[13:44] <FlameReaper> I also can't remember how I installed it XD
[13:44] <c2tarun> FlameReaper: well QTCurve seems worth looking into :) thanks
[13:45] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, why not a 'windows" look :) , but what's wrong with kde ?
[13:45] <FlameReaper> that and look into the KFaenza icon themes too
[13:45] <FlameReaper> all installable from "get new themes" in settings :)
[13:45] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: well configuring it to look like others is a power in KDE not a weakness or wrong or like that.
[13:45] <FlameReaper> I usually go for a hybrid look with a custom touch
[13:46] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: also I am little bored with default look ;) so trying some tweaks
[13:46] <FlameReaper> and on multimonitor setups, I like the fact that I can have custom widgets/panel layouts
[13:47] <BluesKaj> there are other themes then default one can explore
[13:47] <BluesKaj> than
[13:48] <FlameReaper> I personally take inspiration from OS X and Windows while configuring mine
[13:48] <c2tarun> yeah, I'll look into them as well, its just Mac really really looks good ;) , I still feel its not worth the money they charge
[13:48] <FlameReaper> OS X for global menus as example
[13:48] <c2tarun> and what is point of having KDE and not able to experiment with its configuration
[13:50] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, none , but to make it look like a different OS is not the same thing
[13:51] <BluesKaj> to me that's disloyal :)
[13:51] <FlameReaper> I think maybe he means just the looks
[13:51] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: hmm.... its just looks. Its like Tom Cruise, who looks good but can't act. So if somebody wan't to look like Tom Cruise can't be disloyal :)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> do what you want , it just rubs me the wrong way
[13:52] <JuJuBee> The only think windows inspires me to do is vomit !
[13:53] <c2tarun> JuJuBee: don't blame them, they are trying. (They copied start screen from GNOME3) :P which acts funny.
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> I got my KDE 4.10 yeeeeee https://plus.google.com/107178397249608926118/posts/jDzhxACKfGF
[14:51] <skrite> hey all
[14:53] <MichaelP> When will kubuntu get final release of kde 4.10 ?
[14:54] <backjlack> MichaelP: I'm running it already.
[14:54] <backjlack> MichaelP: You need the PPA.
[14:55] <backjlack> ovidiu-florin: Cool, it's also faster.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> 12.10 should have it in the backports
[14:56] <MichaelP> backjlack: ok... im on rc3 right now...
[14:56] <backjlack> I've got 4.10.00 here.
[14:57] <MichaelP> BluesKaj: i don't see where to enable back ports
[14:59] <ovidiu-florin> MichaelP: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:59] <MichaelP> just got that off google
[15:00] <ovidiu-florin> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:03] <MichaelP> whats the difference in apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[15:04] <lordievader> MichaelP: Dist-upgrade is more agressive, it will install kernel-updates, for example, apt-get upgrade will not.
[15:06] <OerHeks> I thought the 'dist' part means distribution upgrade, from 12.10 to 13.04 for example
[15:06] <ovidiu-florin> me aswell
[15:07] <lordievader> OerHeks: Nope, apt-get will not do so. It is easy to understand the confusement though.
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> I usually use aptitude
[15:08] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[15:09] <backjlack> I really hate the slow window resizing animation.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, not any more, the command to upgrade a release is : sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:10] <MichaelP> lordievader: is there away to block stuff from being upgraded.. yesterday i used the sourse.list generator.. and X Updates Xorg Edgers and got the ati fglrx beta of catalyst  and want to block that
[15:11] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, to upgrade to a new release , rather
[15:12] <lordievader> MichaelP: You can pin package versions, however I do not know how to do so with apt-get.
[15:13] <MichaelP> ok
[15:16] <MichaelP> is there a gui to disable processes kstsgaurd shows a 155 running
[15:30] <raymears> quick question: how long till 4.10 is available in backports?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> raymears, it should be there now
[15:33] <BluesKaj> for 12.10
[15:33] <raymears> there is no mesage regarding this on kubuntu.org...
[15:34] <BluesKaj>  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[15:35] <raymears> ok. let's just hope it won't break my system :)
[15:38] <markit> BluesKaj: I've 4.10 in 12.04, don't remember what repo I activated though (kdebackport something)
[15:40] <BluesKaj> markit, the url above gives options for 12.04 to add to your sources.list
[15:41] <markit> ok, that's what I have then
[15:41] <snele> anyone on kde 4.10?
[15:41] <markit> btw, transparencies are really a bad thing for readability
[15:42] <snele> can anyone confirm this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314520
[15:42] <markit> we will end with a good looking DE that is almost unusable, lol
[15:42] <snele> ?
[15:42] <snele> it was ok in rc3
[15:44] <BluesKaj> or you do this to add the backports , it's somewhat easier , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[15:45] <OerHeks> snele you can confirm this bug yourself, dont you ?
[15:45] <snele> OerHeks: It is my bugreport :)
[15:45] <snele> everything was fine in rc3
[15:45] <BluesKaj> snele, yes , some are on 4.10 already ...13.04 here and it seems ok so far
[15:45] <OerHeks> ah,, then you cannot :-D
[15:46] <nikant> hey I want to devlop for KDE how do i start?
[15:46] <Riddell> 4.10 is out! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10
[15:46] <snele> BluesKaj: Can you confirm this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314520
[15:46] <wolftune> hey so how do I actually use the menu options (like hsowing at top or in title bar) in 4.10??
[15:47] <snele> wolftune: system settings>application appereance>fine tuning tab
[15:48] <wolftune> snele: I don't see it
[15:48] <BluesKaj> snele, no i can not confirm that bug ...haven't seen it here
[15:49] <snele> wolftune: menubar style
[15:49] <wolftune> snele: not there
[15:49] <snele> in fine tuning tab
[15:49] <wolftune> snele: Iyeah
[15:49] <wolftune> snele: not there. I'm in 4.10, I just updated, I see the maximize window animation…
[15:57] <scherenhaenden> hi ppl... i got some gtk apps that dont show me thier menubars.... ive reinstalled my pc... n now i got this problem
[15:57] <scherenhaenden> i dont know how to show the menubars
[15:58] <snele> wolftune: dont you look for this option: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/33/MW/214LISUL/snapshot3.png
[15:59] <wolftune> snele: that section is simply not there
[16:00] <snele> wolftune: try with new user. I created new user when I upgraded to kde 4.10 rc3. It is better to have new clean config files when you upgrade to newer kde :)
[16:01] <wolftune> snele: arg, I'm not going to lose all my config stuff, I have a lot of settings for different things. Any guess which config files I could try deleting?
[16:02] <snele> wolftune: i think it is part of kwin. so i gues ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc or systemsettingsrc :)
[16:02] <wolftune> thanks, will try
[16:03] <snele> wolftune: logout or reboot after deleting these config files :)
[16:03] <wolftune> k
[16:03] <snele> for kwinrc you can do alt+f2 and kwin --replace
[16:04] <wolftune> oh ok
[16:04] <snele> I mean after deleting kwinrc restart kwin with kwin --replace :)
[16:04] <wolftune> you mean instead of logging out?
[16:06] <n8w> hey
[16:07] <n8w> all my desktop icons,widgets etc have dissapered after i added an activity(by mistake)...how do i switch bak to my original dekstop?
[16:07] <n8w> it has never happened to me before...thx for any help
[16:10] <n8w> anyone?
[16:10] <Peace-> n8w:
[16:10] <Peace-> n8w: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/06/plasma-desktopEg2156.png
[16:11] <Peace-> n8w: then select the old activity
[16:11] <Peace-> n8w: right click on the desktop > activities > http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/06/plasma-desktopiO2156.png
[16:11] <n8w> Peace-: well there is nothin in the activity bar
[16:12] <Peace-> n8w: ok you need to restart plasma maybe
[16:12] <Peace-> n8w: ALT F2
[16:12] <Peace-> n8w: pkill plasma-desktop ; plasma-destop
[16:12] <Peace-> n8w: sorry
[16:12] <Peace-> n8w: pkill plasma-desktop ; plasma-desktop
[16:12] <genii-around> In an extreme case, logout, ctrl-alt-f1 , login by console, mkdir oldkde && mv .kde oldkde      then logout, alt-f7, login to desktop
[16:13] <n8w> Peace-: didnt help:/...all my settings r gone
[16:14] <n8w> genii-around: ye that the extreme case...
[16:14] <Peace-> n8w: can you give me a screnshot of activities list ?
[16:16] <scherenhaenden> snele: im gonna look for this
[16:16] <Ronalds_M> hello
[16:16] <Ronalds_M> I need kde 4.10
[16:16] <Ronalds_M> pls
[16:16] <Ronalds_M> this is ontopic btw
[16:16] <snele> scherenhaenden: for what? :)
[16:17] <n8w> Peace-: i just renewed the settings by mv .kde
[16:17] <scherenhaenden> snele: it look like i do not have this option
[16:17] <scherenhaenden> :S
[16:17] <Peace-> n8w: ok
[16:17] <snele> Ronalds_M: what version of kubuntu do you use?
[16:17] <Ronalds_M> unity lol
[16:17] <Ronalds_M> they sended me here
[16:17] <Peace-> ....
[16:17] <scherenhaenden> snele: menu bar option... im on that... but it does not appears this option to me
[16:17] <n8w> Peace-: thx for help anywai
[16:17] <Ronalds_M> precise btw
[16:18] <Ronalds_M> or 4.10 is not even stable
[16:18] <Ronalds_M> yet
[16:18] <snele> scherenhaenden: just create new user and see if you have that option with new user
[16:18] <scherenhaenden> im installing that option...  or i think... im gonna prove in 5 mins
[16:19] <Peace-> Ronalds_M: 4.10 has been released today .. do you think that packaging is an easy task ?
[16:19] <Ronalds_M> kde seemed fine on my ubuntu, but interesting thing was the firefox and other gtk themes
[16:19] <Ronalds_M> somethings wrong with them
[16:19] <Ronalds_M> so I decided to get newest copy
[16:19] <Peace-> Ronalds_M: for now there is 4.10 rc 3
[16:19] <Ronalds_M> oH
[16:19] <Ronalds_M> that's because I sawed it on slashdot
[16:20] <Ronalds_M> also
[16:20] <snele> Ronalds_M: it is stable :) i am using it on precise. 4.10 final
[16:20] <Ronalds_M> great snele
[16:20] <Ronalds_M> :>
[16:20] <snele> Ronalds_M: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10
[16:21] <Peace-> oh they released it ?
[16:21] <Peace-> i am on raring so ..
[16:21] <Ronalds_M> ppa is something I have been not caring about
[16:21] <Ronalds_M> long time
[16:21] <Ronalds_M> but it's there
[16:21] <Ronalds_M> nice
[16:22] <tobias__> hi does anyone of you know where i could find an web server like apache?? or how it is called under kubuntu??
[16:22]  * BluesKaj posts the url one more time , https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[16:22] <Ronalds_M> apache you can find on apache webpage
[16:22] <Ronalds_M> probably
[16:22] <BluesKaj> tobias__, it's called apache , or apache2
[16:22] <Ronalds_M> isn't there any market on kubuntu, should be also there
[16:23] <BluesKaj> BBL...
[16:23] <Peace-> tobias__: apache
[16:24] <tobias__> BluesKaj could it be that it is preinstalled??
[16:24] <lordievader> tobias__: Still called Apache, to install it run: sudo apt-get install apache
[16:25] <Ronalds_M> I should just install any showen version of kde
[16:25] <Ronalds_M> or which particial packaged?
[16:26] <genii-around> Ronalds_M: kubuntu-desktop, and then also lightdm-kde-greeter
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> hy guys, I'm trying to learn about deb packages so I'm building a simple deb package. I have one Binary file that just prints a message. I've tried something, but apparently it didn't work. Could someone please guide me through this?
[16:27] <tomdavidson> hi, can any one direct me to a QtWebKit-2.3 package or ppa?
[16:27] <snele> Ronalds_M: if you are using ubuntu you should install kubuntu-desktop and then in at login screen choose kde instad of unity
[16:27] <scherenhaenden> snele: im going out to prove the opther account
[16:27] <n8w> Peace-: ok i think what i did...i have switched to folder view
[16:28] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Perhpas this can assist you: http://www.nerdliness.com/article/2007/08/27/creating-simple-ubuntu-debian-packages
[16:28] <snele> Ronalds_M: if you are on precise you will have kde 4.8.5 installed. then you can upgrade to kde 4.10 :)
[16:29] <Ronalds_M> I added
[16:29] <Ronalds_M> ppa
[16:29] <Ronalds_M> doesn't it counts?
[16:30] <Peace-> n8w: hahahaha
[16:30] <snele> Ronalds_M: if you are on ubuntu you have to install kubuntu-desktop first
[16:30] <Ronalds_M> no upgrading to I know
[16:30] <Ronalds_M> :D
[16:30] <Ronalds_M> i'm installing it now
[16:31] <Ronalds_M> but I'm not upgrading to 12.10
[16:31] <Ronalds_M> seems not stable yet
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> thank you lordievader
[16:31] <snele> Ronalds_M: I am using kubuntu 12.04 with kde 4.10 and it rocks. no crashes yet :)
[16:32] <n8w> Peace-: heheh ye
[16:32] <Ronalds_M> have to wait 40 minutes now
[16:32] <Ronalds_M> nice
[16:32] <Ronalds_M> took every package
[16:32] <Ronalds_M> :D
[16:33] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: No problem, hope it helps. I have made packages with that guide, but that was only for config file, not sure if it works the same with binaries.
[16:33] <n8w> Peace-: so i have moved back to my previous config, but my note widget is gone...
[16:33] <scherenhaenden> snele:
[16:34] <scherenhaenden> it does not work in the new account
[16:34] <Peace-> n8w: good :D
[16:34] <snele> scherenhaenden: well I am out of ideas :(
[16:35] <scherenhaenden> ppl who knows this????  i dont have this option http://www.dodaj.rs/f/33/MW/214LISUL/snapshot3.png
[16:35] <scherenhaenden> n menubars from gtk are away on kde
[16:35] <snele> scherenhaenden: do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again. maybe you didn't upgrade all the packages
[16:35] <scherenhaenden> snele: ok.... i think u just dont know
[16:36] <scherenhaenden> snele: thanks for helping ;)
[16:38] <snele> scherenhaenden: glad to (try to) help :) do notifications look wierd in kde 4.10 for you? http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2P/9W/VBg08YJ/snapshot1.png
[16:39] <scherenhaenden> snele: not really :S
[16:44] <Ronalds_M> download is so slow
[16:44] <Ronalds_M> if it really is kde 4.10 maybe
[16:47] <n8w> guys do u know the location where the contect for desktop sticky notes is held?
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> why is this not valid: echo "#!/bin/bash" > p*
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to write that to all files starting with p'
[16:52] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: Because it can only send the output to one place and then it disappears. So you get "ambiguous output" error because it wants to know WHICH of those files starting with "p" it should put it in.
[16:52] <Peace-> ovidiu-florin: you should ask on #bash
[16:52] <Peace-> ovidiu-florin: btw  you can do a loop
[16:52] <ovidiu-florin> the probelm is with echo, not with p*
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> it tries to execute the text not print it
[16:53] <Peace-> while read line ; do  echo "stuff " > line  ; done < <(ls somefolder | grep filter )
[16:53] <Peace-> ovidiu-florin: use another quote
[16:53] <Peace-> '   '
[16:53] <Husar> Peace-: my problem with error about numerate usb resolve new usb cable :)
[16:54] <XiaYixuan> hi
[16:54] <XiaYixuan> how do I install the CPU driver?
[16:54] <Peace-> Husar: ah wth
[16:54] <Peace-> Husar: it was strange ah
[16:54] <Peace-> XiaYixuan: cpu driver ?
[16:54] <Peace-> XiaYixuan: you don't need a cpu driver man
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> Peace-: thank's
[16:55] <Husar> yea, but i tested 2 usb cables, so both suck... probably made in china
[16:55] <lordievader> XiaYixuan: Do you mean the GPU driver?
[16:55] <Peace-> Husar: lol
[16:55] <XiaYixuan> but it says it's over 70 ℃
[16:55] <Peace-> XiaYixuan: it seems your cpu is working too much
[16:56] <XiaYixuan> why
[16:56] <XiaYixuan> 10%
[16:56] <Peace-> XiaYixuan: just try to figure it out
[16:56] <lordievader> XiaYixuan: Time to fix the cooling of your CPU, if it reaches that temp being idle.
[16:56] <Peace-> XiaYixuan: if your cpu is not working maybe your computer is dirty inside
[16:56] <XiaYixuan> I see. thanks
[16:56] <Peace-> or the fan is not working properly
[16:56] <aspirantux> Hi, do you know a good emulator of windows (i'd like to run cortal consor's .exe on my laptop running on Kubuntu 12.10)
[16:56] <XiaYixuan> the fan is loud
[16:57] <XiaYixuan> (now)
[16:57] <Peace-> aspirantux: wine ?
[16:57] <Peace-> !wine
[16:57] <ovidiu-florin> does tee suport regex?
[16:57] <lordievader> XiaYixuan: Perhaps the cooling paste between the cpu and the heatsink is worn out.
[16:58] <james147> ^^ or your computer is full of dust :)
[16:59] <james147> ovidiu-florin: no, but bash does p* will be expanded by bash before being passed to tee
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> james147: I tried echo '#!/bin/bash' > tee p*
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> and it did nothing
[17:00] <aspirantux> well i'll try again with wine but it didn't work the first time i tried
[17:00] <james147> ovidiu-florin: | not >, > is for files | is for commands and tee is a command
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> oh.. now I realize..
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> thank's
[17:01] <james147> ovidiu-florin: also #!/bin/bash needs to be at the start of the file, not the end.
[17:01] <ovidiu-florin> james147: the files are empty
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> were*
[17:10] <cornfeedhobo> okay, who knows when this is going to be available? http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/plasma.php
[17:10] <bazhang> now
[17:11] <cornfeedhobo> apt-get upgrade no show kde/plasma anything
[17:11] <cornfeedhobo> n
[17:11] <bazhang> cornfeedhobo, see the /topic ?
[17:12] <john___> has anyone upgraded to kde 4.10 yet?
[17:14] <cornfeedhobo> ooo, but then i have to trust backports
[17:14] <cornfeedhobo> hmmm
[17:15] <john___> i'll just ask: whenever i try to upgrade kde to 4.10 (at 4.9.4 right now) I get a message tellin me "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:15] <john___>  kdepasswd : Depends: kde-baseapps-data (= 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1) but 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.1 is to be installed" is this cuz I have conflicting repositories? I was hoping to just add the backports and not have to comment out any repositories in the process
[17:16] <BluesKaj> john___, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[17:18] <john___> can't I just sudo add-apt-repository pa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[17:18] <DarthFrog> john___:  Then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[17:18] <BluesKaj> john___, make sure all your repos are correct for your kubuntu version
[17:19] <BluesKaj> john___, yes that command is fine
[17:19] <john___> thats where I'm at...upgrade sees a dependency conflict for some reason @_@ i broke something T_T
[17:19] <BluesKaj> do you have repos from from older kubuntu versions?
[17:20] <DarthFrog> john___:  Perhaps you should do a dist-upgrade before adding the backports PPA?
[17:20] <john___> ya--thats what I was thinking
[17:20] <john___> my prob is I don't know which repos to get rid of
[17:20] <john___> well not get rid of...just comment out for now
[17:25] <BluesKaj> john___, repos that don't show the same name as your install version
[17:25] <wolftune> so, in 4.10 I lost my folder view for my desktop, how do I get it back?
[17:26] <john___> thats it? thanks blues
other than the lost folder view, how you liking 4.10 so far? I'm in the process of upgrading XD
[17:29] <wolftune> john___: I'm pretty happy
[17:30] <wolftune> john___: but the developer of my KXStudio distro (not exactly Kubuntu, but Ubuntu + KDE, but for audio) says he is having crazy troubles
[17:30] <scherenhaenden> does someone know how to show the menubar on some gtk applicactions running kde?
[17:30] <john___> wolftune: that can't be good, I'm sure he'll figure it out though
[17:31] <wolftune> john___: yeah, but he's not happy
[17:31] <wolftune> john___: apparently he has crazy dysfunction
[17:31] <Ronalds_Mz> I'm back, how exactly happens upgrading kde when 4.8 version installed
[17:32] <Ronalds_Mz> like an update by itself or synaptic?
[17:32] <Ronalds_Mz>  I mean 4.10 update
[17:32] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, which app ?
[17:32] <scherenhaenden> rawtherapee
[17:33] <scherenhaenden> it used to work... but ive reinstall my system
[17:33] <scherenhaenden> i dont know what package do i gotta install to make it wokrs.....
[17:33] <john___> Ronalds, just add the backports, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; make sure to comment out any conflicting repos
[17:33] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: for anything... the option in system options appeareance... menubar in applicaation is gone
[17:34] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: I strongly prefer Darktable
[17:34] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: although I never really used Rawtherapee
[17:34] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: and note, Darktable is way out of date in Kubuntu and needs a PPA to be good
[17:34] <scherenhaenden> wolftune:  dude, dunno wot u meaning
[17:34] <scherenhaenden> :s
[17:35] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, there's no dropdown in fine tuning>menubar style?
[17:35] <scherenhaenden> nop
[17:36] <BluesKaj> what do have there
[17:36] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: you don't know about PPA's ?
[17:36] <scherenhaenden> wolftune: dunno why.... maybe i dont have a needed package
[17:36] <scherenhaenden> wolftune: personal package archive?
[17:37] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: i got the normal opntions over... but not this one
[17:37] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: right
[17:37] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj:  i donot have this one...http://www.dodaj.rs/f/33/MW/214LISUL/snapshot3.png
[17:37] <wolftune> scherenhaenden: I was just saying I recommend Darktable (via PPA) instead of Rawtherapee
[17:37] <scherenhaenden> wolftune: so what do u speaking about? sorry i didnt get it
[17:38] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, the url doesn't open here
[17:38] <scherenhaenden> try again
[17:38] <scherenhaenden> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/33/MW/214LISUL/snapshot3.png
[17:39] <scherenhaenden> theres circled that one option i dont have
[17:40] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, have you updated / upgraded lately or even dist-upgraded?
[17:41] <scherenhaenden> yep
[17:41] <scherenhaenden> everytime
[17:41] <scherenhaenden> i got this since ive reinstalled the machine
[17:42] <BluesKaj> everytime ? ..hmm I don't depend on the notifier , I just do it everyday as a matter of course
[17:44] <scherenhaenden> well im up to day
[17:44] <scherenhaenden> it is something else
[17:44] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, that has me stumped, never seen that before
[17:45] <scherenhaenden> well i got to go today is my birthday n s party at homw
[17:45] <scherenhaenden> so
[17:45] <scherenhaenden> thanks fellas
[17:45] <scherenhaenden> we see us
[17:45] <FloodBotK1> scherenhaenden: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:55] <wolftune> fixed folder-view, just needed to install the widget again for some reason
[17:57] <wolftune> I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I got the new appmenu settings by just installing appmenu-qt
[17:57] <wolftune> that's why it was missing, not because of any config
[17:59] <wolftune> is there a keyboard command to engage the new appmenu feature?
[17:59] <wolftune> I'm not going to use this if I have to do it with the cursor
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> the creash report wizzard got stuck on the last step. I filled all data, and it stuck at sending crash report... it stayed like that for the last 5 minutes. (Ark crash)
[18:07] <BluesKaj> wolftune, fwiw , I have appmenu-qt installed by default , never needed to install it manually
[18:08] <wolftune> BluesKaj: well, no big deal
[18:08] <wolftune> BluesKaj: not sure why it wasn't installed
[18:08] <Layke> I just did a upgrade of plasma desktop, now my system tray doesn't appear from a restart. Not sure how to repeair.
[18:08] <wolftune> BluesKaj: so do you know, a keyboard shortcut for the appmenu?
[18:08] <Layke> I also installed kde-full
[18:08] <BluesKaj> strange happenings with kde upgrades lately
[18:09] <Layke> I'm not actually sure how to log out? But couldn't I log out, and make sure the correct user profile is set. Maybe something got a bit messed up?
[18:09] <Layke> I'll even settle for using classical ubuntu for the time being.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> no idea wolftune , I'm not even sure it can be done
[18:10] <wolftune> BluesKaj: that's too bad, because the normal menu I just click alt and then whatever menu item letter. I thought that would still work, but nope
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Layke, install kubuntu-deskop ?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> err desktop
[18:12] <Layke> Um, yup. No use. I just logged out, then made sure my user session was using plasma desktop, but it doesn't load the system tray when I log in
[18:30] <Layke> I just upgraded to 4.10 and I can't get system tray to start. I think it's a plasma-desktop issue, but I have no idea. This is a dump of what I get if I run plasma-desktop from console.  http://pastie.org/private/7ntrslaazeimg4qyxu5ovq
[18:36] <nick07> i need to start and login kubuntu without monitor attached
[18:38] <lordievader> nick07: Setup an autologin, or if you don't need a DM use ssh.
[18:38] <nick07> DM shh? sorry i dont know what you mean
[18:39] <nick07> without monitor linux is hanging
[18:41] <lordievader> nick07: I'm sorry, DM means Display Manager, in 12.04 it was kdm, after 12.04 it became lightdm. This takes care of the login. Ssh stands for Secure Shell, this is a way you can remotely access the terminal as if you where physically infront of the tty.
[18:43] <nick07> so, let me understand.. If i start the OS now, it hangs because it had no monitor attached.. If i attach a monitor I see that it hangs.. If i reboot, with monitor the OS starts ok
[18:43] <nick07> I want to use the computer with remote desktop
[18:43] <nick07> but how can i make the os login without monitor
[18:44] <lordievader> nick07: Where does it hang? It shouldn't...
[18:44] <nick07> on the kubuntu letters
[18:45] <nick07> it commen problem.. i see alot of forums where they say that linux hangs because X wont start without monitor
[18:48] <skrite> Layke, did you restart your Xsession or reboot your computer after your upgrade, i had a number of problems when i did that also.
[18:51] <james147> nick07: if you want it to be headless, then you can not run a gui on it and then use vncserver to start xsessions when you connect to it.
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Peace-: quoting from the backlogs : <Peace-> n8w: pkill plasma-desktop ; plasma-desktop
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Peace-: it's better to use kquitapp plasma-desktop :)
[19:37] <shadeslayer> same goes for any other KDE application
[20:25] <phoenix_firebrd> good night everyone
[21:01] <munny> hi all
[21:03] <ilkmgf> Hi all. Does anyone know how I use 4.10's kio-mtp to access my nexus 4 through Dolphin?
[21:04] <ilkmgf> I've tried just typing mtp, mtp:, and mtp:// into the location bar, but I'm told it's an invalid protocol.
[21:05] <munny> In 12.04 with kde 4.10 does anyone knows about problems with nepomuk?
[21:16] <jeroen-> he I've updated to kdde 4.10 and now plasma is crashing while starting my user session. Help?!
[21:21] <jeroen-> no one? kde 4.10! plasma crash during startup?
[21:22] <lordievader> !patience