| hpuser4466 | No sound in Lubuntu 12.04. Audio chips: ALI M5451. Alsamixer volume is up/unmuted. How to fix? | 00:15 |
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| hpuser4466 | Laptop: IBM Thinkpad R40e | 00:15 |
| holstein | !audio | 00:16 |
| ubottu | If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 00:16 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: might want to try pulseaudio | 00:16 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i might load up an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD and test with pulse | 00:17 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: did sound ever work? | 00:17 |
| hpuser4466 | I don't know if sound works. I just bought this used laptop and testing the sound. | 00:18 |
| hpuser4466 | ok..will try a different distro. | 00:18 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: so, not only have you never had sound working in this install, you are not sure if the hardware is functional | 00:18 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: im not suggesting you try a different distro | 00:19 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: im suggesting you try pulse.. and you can do that with a live CD from a distro that is using pulse, if you dont want to install pulse | 00:19 |
| hpuser4466 | ok. | 00:19 |
| hpuser4466 | Also, what USB sound cards work with lubuntu 12.04? I'm looking at cheap ones on ebay. | 00:20 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: anything alsa supports | 00:20 |
| hpuser4466 | i see no-name brand cards for $3.88 but i'm unsure. | 00:20 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i dont think your internal card is not supported though | 00:20 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: open a terminal and type | 00:21 |
| holstein | aplay -l | 00:21 |
| holstein | if you see output, your card *should* work | 00:21 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: do you see output? | 00:22 |
| hpuser4466 | i see card 0: A5451 [ALI 5451] | 00:22 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: ok.. so, its likely you just are not used to the settings in lubuntu | 00:22 |
| hpuser4466 | i'm familiar with alsamixer and selected the card with f6. but no sound. | 00:23 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i would suggest reading the rest of that link above ^^ and consider trying live CD's til you get something that just works, so you know the hardware works | 00:23 |
| hpuser4466 | ok. I'll also check bios to make sure nothing is disabled. Thanks. | 00:23 |
| holstein | if it were disabled in the bios, it shouldnt show in lspci or aplay -l | 00:24 |
| holstein | check there though.. also, try keyboard shortcuts.. check the gui mixer | 00:24 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: toggle mute and unmute | 00:24 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: try with headphones | 00:24 |
| hpuser4466 | yes, i pressed the hardware volume buttons, unmute and tested headphones. Nothing works. | 00:25 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: trust no labels in alsa mixer | 00:25 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: nothing has worked *yet* | 00:26 |
| hpuser4466 | off to check bios and pulse... | 00:26 |
| holstein | good luck | 00:26 |
| hpuser4466 | OK I tested audio in the bios and sound works, so it's not a hardware fault. | 00:35 |
| hpuser4466 | Testing fedora 15 with pulse shortly. | 00:36 |
| hpuser4466 | From past experience F15 worked well with old audio chipsets. | 00:36 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: the linux kernel is the linux kernel.. but ubuntu supports what it can out of the box | 00:37 |
| holstein | i dont think its a hardware support issue... | 00:38 |
| hpuser4466 | i noticed that sudo alsa reload mentioned faulty modules | 00:38 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: you shouldnt have to do any of that | 00:38 |
| hpuser4466 | tried to reload the alsa daemon. | 00:39 |
| holstein | right,, but you shouldnt have to, is what im saying.. i dont.. | 00:39 |
| holstein | though, had a via chip that was challenging | 00:40 |
| hpuser4466 | can i install a different audio subsystem ? | 00:40 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: sure.. i would try pulse on top of alsa.. since its the big one that you have probably used before, and you can use pavucontrol | 00:40 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: whats going to make all the difference support-wise is the kernel version and the alsa version... doesnt really matter the distro | 00:42 |
| holstein | those are generally common to all the distros | 00:42 |
| hpuser4466 | are pulse and alsa the only audio systems available for linux? | 01:04 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: no | 01:04 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: but, i dont think that is the issue | 01:05 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: do you have *any* live CD laying around? | 01:05 |
| holstein | i would just start throwing them in.. i would get knoppix... knoppix is a nice diagnostic disc | 01:05 |
| hpuser4466 | i think the problem is the snd modules in lubuntu | 01:06 |
| hpuser4466 | because alsa told me they were faulty | 01:06 |
| hpuser4466 | OK distro hopping time. | 01:07 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i dont think so | 01:07 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: you were given some output in a terminal.. that doesnt mean there is an error | 01:07 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: you can find debug verbage.. doenst mean there is any problems | 01:07 |
| hpuser4466 | unless there's a driver conflict i need to blacklist something. | 01:07 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: more likely, the driver has been pulled.. or support dropped from alsa | 01:08 |
| hpuser4466 | What other audio systems are there? | 01:08 |
| hpuser4466 | oss still work? | 01:09 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: none as popular, or well supported as alsa/pulse | 01:09 |
| hpuser4466 | what about a soundblaster usb card? | 01:09 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i would literally open up whatever live CD you have. if you have an old ubuntu 8.04 | 01:09 |
| holstein | 10.04... | 01:09 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: when you say "i choose the device in f6" i wouldnt trust those labels | 01:10 |
| hpuser4466 | How long is 10.04 supported? | 01:11 |
| wxl | hpuser4466: which driver you using? | 01:11 |
| hpuser4466 | hang on, i'll reboot lubuntu. | 01:11 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: im not talking about using it... im just talking about hearing sound from your device | 01:11 |
| wxl | hpuser4466: furthermore what specific output do you get from lspci re: audio chip? | 01:11 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i dont think you should use 10.04 | 01:12 |
| holstein | if you follow that link i gave, you can see what chip you have, and let wxl know | 01:12 |
| holstein | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main is a nice list of what is available with alsa | 01:12 |
| holstein | wxl: aplay -l card 0: A5451 [ALI 5451] | 01:13 |
| wxl | well here's info about the supposed chip on that machine: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD1981B which may have relevance if and only if it is indeed the right chip. thinkwiki's been a good source for thinkpad info in my experience (i have one) | 01:13 |
| holstein | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491158 | 01:14 |
| holstein | ^^ "well i dont really know what i did, but it works now" | 01:14 |
| wxl | snd-atiixp is supposedly the right chip | 01:14 |
| holstein | thats what i think..i think its a UI issue.. i think the sound is fine, its just a matter of finding the right button. i would load up whatever live CD you are used to using and get audio just working.. | 01:14 |
| wxl | s/chip/driver/ | 01:14 |
| wxl | and note the buttons are independent of alsamixer | 01:14 |
| hpuser4466 | can't see ali 5451 on the alsa Matrix website | 01:15 |
| wxl | use lspci | 01:15 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: doesnt mean its "not" supported... aplay is more what alsa is using | 01:15 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: if you get output from aplay, then alsa is "seeing" the device | 01:15 |
| wxl | lspci -v will also tell you what kernel driver is being used | 01:16 |
| hpuser4466 | it says i'm using kernel modules: snd-ali5451 | 01:19 |
| hpuser4466 | aplay gave a segmentation fault | 01:19 |
| hpuser4466 | alsa corrupted? | 01:20 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: maybe... reinstall it if you want | 01:20 |
| hpuser4466 | ok | 01:21 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: dont run aplay though... | 01:21 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: aplay -l is the command i asked you to run | 01:21 |
| holstein | that lists what alsa *is* seeing | 01:21 |
| holstein | so, you should have sound | 01:21 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: lspci can list audio hardare that alsa is not using | 01:21 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: the way your system is reporting... the audio harware is present, the driver is loaded, and alsa is using it | 01:22 |
| wxl | what is the info on the chip in lspci? besides the driver.. | 01:22 |
| hpuser4466 | sorry i'm chatting in wiindows 7..I'll have to login with ubuntu to paste results. | 01:22 |
| hpuser4466 | lubuntu. | 01:22 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: when you are ready to solve the issue, let one of the volunteers know.. cheers! | 01:23 |
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| hpuser-II | Result of lspci -v | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad R40e | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | I/O ports at 8800 [size=256] | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Memory at e8012000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Capabilities: <access denied> | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Kernel driver in use: snd_ali5451 | 01:24 |
| hpuser-II | Kernel modules: snd-ali5451 | 01:24 |
| hpuser4466 | PS: I'm using the Lubuntu 12.04 live CD installer. I also installed all updates. | 01:25 |
| hpuser4466 | Never had this problem with ubuntu-mini.iso + ubuntu-lxde-desktop. | 01:26 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: then use that | 01:27 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: lubntu *is* ubuntu.. but if you are getting LXDE and ubuntu some other way that is working, use it | 01:27 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i thought this was a new machine? one that you hadnt used before? | 01:28 |
| hpuser4466 | Lubuntu and Ubuntu+ubuntu-lxde-desktop are not the same. | 01:28 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i didnt say they were | 01:28 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i said lubuntu *is* ubuntu | 01:28 |
| holstein | and if you are having better luck using LXDE with ubuntu another way, go for it | 01:29 |
| hpuser4466 | first, what packages to i remove and re-install alsa? | 01:29 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: i would open the package manager of your choice and search "alsa".. for me, i usually use synaptic for that | 01:30 |
| hpuser-II | Does Lubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu? | 01:32 |
| Unit193 | Yep, sure does. | 01:32 |
| holstein | hpuser4466: there are no lubuntu repos.. only ubuntu ones that all the official distros use | 01:32 |
| wxl | interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCardsAli | 01:34 |
| holstein | yeah, i usuallly just open alsamixer and tweak *everything* | 01:34 |
| holstein | you cant trust those labels either | 01:34 |
| hpuser-II | well aplay segfaults so i'm assuming alsa is corrupted. What's the alsa metapackage that removes everything alsa related? | 01:36 |
| wxl | there's almost no info about these chips anywhere | 01:36 |
| onto | Hi! How would I start jackd on boot? | 01:36 |
| holstein | hpuser-II: i would just search for alsa in a package manager and remove what you want, but that wont get you support | 01:39 |
| hpuser-II | oh no, i removed alsa-base and it wants to remove lubuntu desktop. | 01:39 |
| holstein | onto: i would check KXstudio.. its a distro with packages and ppa's that starts JACK on boot | 01:39 |
| holstein | hpuser-II: thats fine, if you have LXDE installed, and dont want lubuntu anyway | 01:39 |
| holstein | onto: i would just start it.. even with the pulse dbus situation we have now, i wouldnt bother | 01:40 |
| onto | holstein: I don't think I want to install a full distro just to configure jack :\ | 01:40 |
| Unit193 | lubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, doesn't matter if you remove it or not. | 01:40 |
| holstein | onto: jack doesnt need to run as root though | 01:40 |
| hpuser-II | ok, so lxde will still boot? | 01:40 |
| holstein | onto: i didnt imply you should.. what im suggesting is you "check into it" since it *is* a distro that starts jack | 01:40 |
| holstein | onto: you can emulate it | 01:41 |
| holstein | onto: or, add the ppa's if you need | 01:41 |
| onto | holstein: ah, I am sorry for the misunderstanding | 01:41 |
| holstein | onto: no worries | 01:41 |
| holstein | onto: try, #opensourcemusicians and keep in mind, JACK is not intended to run that way | 01:41 |
| holstein | hpuser-II: i dont know what you have.. if you have lxde installed, you can still use it.. if it gets removed you can reinstall it.. removeing alsa is *not* going to help you | 01:42 |
| onto | holstein: I have configured alsa to be routed through jack (with a loopback device) so I just need it as a convenience (so I don't have to remember to start it everytime) | 01:42 |
| holstein | onto: we just implemented that with pulse as well | 01:42 |
| onto | holstein: oh, I am not using pulse since it had caused me enough headaches some time back | 01:43 |
| holstein | onto: still, JACK is not intentended to be the main audio server | 01:44 |
| holstein | onto: sure.. i have headaches with computers and audio.. with pulse.. with alsa.. with whatever | 01:45 |
| holstein | onto: im not trying to say what you should do... just offering resources and facts | 01:45 |
| holstein | i use jack ... i make money using JACK | 01:45 |
| onto | holstein: of course :) | 01:45 |
| holstein | i dont use the pulse to jack bridge.. nor the alsa to jack bridge | 01:46 |
| holstein | but, kxstudio does... out of the box.. and folks in #opensourcemusicians do the alsa bridging | 01:46 |
| holstein | JACK is not running as root, so when you get a nice JACK startup script, you can just autostart that.. in theory | 01:46 |
| holstein | but, again... its not intended for that | 01:47 |
| holstein | i also use different jack profiles depending on the latency i need | 01:47 |
| onto | holstein: How have you set it up? | 01:49 |
| holstein | onto: i just use it | 01:51 |
| holstein | i set it up low and high latency | 01:52 |
| holstein | different presets | 01:52 |
| holstein | i dont need/want jack autostarting | 01:52 |
| holstein | i like to see it start and have my firewire device initialize | 01:52 |
| onto | oh | 01:53 |
| onto | holstein: Thank you for the information. I think I'll take your advise. :) | 01:57 |
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| prpl | how do I determine the 6 digit color code of 'the' lubuntu desktop ? | 04:23 |
| prpl | wallpaper | 04:23 |
| Sail | anyone on? | 04:27 |
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| faLUCE | hi, how can I adjust the keyboard sensitivity ? | 20:50 |
| phillw | faLUCE: Menu --> Preferences --> Keyboard and Mouse | 20:58 |
| phillw | Select the Keyboard tab to alter the settings (it includes an area to 'try the settings out on'). | 20:59 |
| faLUCE | phillw: in this way I can't set he sensistivity. I can only adjust the repetitions on the same key | 21:04 |
| phillw | I don't have a touch sensitive keyboard, mine is the old fashioned press a key version. Sorry. | 21:04 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, before i have to go to school, please try and make the lubuntu twitter more active. | 21:14 |
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| graydon | hey so im sure you guys have heard this question before because i thnk its a known bug, but i cant get empathy to work in LXDE. it tells me i need to add an account but in order to do it i have to manually enter gnome-control-center credentials | 21:57 |
| graydon | even when i do that it just tells me network error | 21:57 |
| graydon | so how do i fix it | 21:58 |
| phillw | graydon: the only details with any sort of proposed resolution are at http://askubuntu.com/questions/202514/how-can-i-manage-empathy-online-accounts-in-lubuntu-12-10 (The last comment details a need to edit the *desktop file to have it show in lxde / lubuntu). | 22:28 |
| graydon | have you gotten this to work? because even when i go to the proper gnome account control and add the accounts it still wont give me a connection | 22:30 |
| graydon | ill try it anyways | 22:30 |
| graydon | it would be even better if there was another messenger for linux that had windows live messenger and facebook chat | 22:31 |
| graydon | but i dont think there is | 22:31 |
| graydon | only windows has one | 22:31 |
| wxl | bitlbee works good :) | 22:32 |
| wxl | but frankly pidgin can do anything you want | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | Pidgin and finch support quite a bit, there's also that other one that used libpurple backend, mozilla based I think? | 22:33 |
| wxl | facebook is jabber as far as what i remember (xmpp) | 22:33 |
| wxl | but here: https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/ | 22:34 |
| graydon | ok ill go check the ubuntu software center | 22:34 |
| graydon | oh sweet | 22:34 |
| wxl | pidgin is part of lubuntu, btw. | 22:34 |
| graydon | so pidgin has facebook and msn messenger | 22:34 |
| graydon | actually im not really using lubuntu | 22:35 |
| wxl | natively uses msn | 22:35 |
| wxl | but there are alternatives, too | 22:35 |
| graydon | i installed ubuntu onto a netbook and then installed LXDE because the lag was so bad | 22:35 |
| wxl | you should look here https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins#AdditionalProtocols | 22:35 |
| wxl | then you should just do lubuntu or at least clear off the unnecessary ubuntu cruft | 22:36 |
| wxl | !purelxde | 22:36 |
| ubottu | If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | !info pidgin-facebookchat | 22:36 |
| ubottu | pidgin-facebookchat (source: pidgin-facebookchat): Facebook Chat plugin for Pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-2.1ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 39 kB, installed size 119 kB | 22:36 |
| wxl | oh ho | 22:36 |
| wxl | well played | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | Many plugins are in the repo, actually. | 22:36 |
| phillw | I use the inbuilt msn one okay, just not for video chat. | 22:37 |
| graydon | the only thing i dont like about lubuntu or lxde is that i cant search for apps like i can through the unity dash | 22:37 |
| graydon | that was a pretty convenient feature | 22:37 |
| wxl | graydon: there's a performance price you pay for that to a degree | 22:37 |
| wxl | i just alt-f2 and start typing the first few letters of whatever command i need | 22:38 |
| graydon | does that search app names as well | 22:38 |
| graydon | nothing happened | 22:38 |
| graydon | lol | 22:38 |
| Unit193 | graydon: You may be able to use xfce4-appfinder ? | 22:38 |
| graydon | sounds good ill check that out as well | 22:39 |
| graydon | thanks guys | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | As far as I know it isn't like dash, but I've never used dash. | 22:40 |
| graydon | uh sorry guys im kind of new to linux, but how can i iadd the resources and install these plugins from terminal | 22:44 |
| graydon | i dont see any code in the plugin info pages there for installation | 22:44 |
| wxl | graydon: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pidgin-facebookchat | 22:45 |
| graydon | thanks | 22:45 |
| flyback- | I guess the issue I am having is lubuntu is starting up the splash screen in a mod the lcd doesn't care for | 22:54 |
| flyback- | the desktop works ok but since I had a bad crash and it won't boot now I can't see why | 22:54 |
| flyback- | any way to change that | 22:54 |
| flyback- | i'm just going to reload it to fix but I want to be able to see bootup messages | 22:56 |
| graydon | this facebook chat plugin for pidgin doesnt seem to work, just tells me incorrect password. but its not. looks ilke theres another facebook "xmpp" plugin so ill try that | 23:07 |
| wxl | did you use your full email for the username? | 23:07 |
| graydon | yeah | 23:08 |
| wxl | strange | 23:08 |
| wxl | however facebook is constantly changing things so i'm somewhat not totally surprised | 23:08 |
| graydon | i was expecting a popup for me to give the app permision to my account but never saw one | 23:09 |
| phillw | flyback-: if you know the screen resolution of your machine, you can tell grub to use it. There is some background on the subject at http://askubuntu.com/questions/54067/how-do-i-safely-change-grub2-screen-resolution | 23:32 |
| flyback- | thx | 23:37 |
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