[00:15] No sound in Lubuntu 12.04. Audio chips: ALI M5451. Alsamixer volume is up/unmuted. How to fix? [00:15] Laptop: IBM Thinkpad R40e [00:16] !audio [00:16] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [00:16] hpuser4466: might want to try pulseaudio [00:17] hpuser4466: i might load up an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD and test with pulse [00:17] hpuser4466: did sound ever work? [00:18] I don't know if sound works. I just bought this used laptop and testing the sound. [00:18] ok..will try a different distro. [00:18] hpuser4466: so, not only have you never had sound working in this install, you are not sure if the hardware is functional [00:19] hpuser4466: im not suggesting you try a different distro [00:19] hpuser4466: im suggesting you try pulse.. and you can do that with a live CD from a distro that is using pulse, if you dont want to install pulse [00:19] ok. [00:20] Also, what USB sound cards work with lubuntu 12.04? I'm looking at cheap ones on ebay. [00:20] hpuser4466: anything alsa supports [00:20] i see no-name brand cards for $3.88 but i'm unsure. [00:20] hpuser4466: i dont think your internal card is not supported though [00:21] hpuser4466: open a terminal and type [00:21] aplay -l [00:21] if you see output, your card *should* work [00:22] hpuser4466: do you see output? [00:22] i see card 0: A5451 [ALI 5451] [00:22] hpuser4466: ok.. so, its likely you just are not used to the settings in lubuntu [00:23] i'm familiar with alsamixer and selected the card with f6. but no sound. [00:23] hpuser4466: i would suggest reading the rest of that link above ^^ and consider trying live CD's til you get something that just works, so you know the hardware works [00:23] ok. I'll also check bios to make sure nothing is disabled. Thanks. [00:24] if it were disabled in the bios, it shouldnt show in lspci or aplay -l [00:24] check there though.. also, try keyboard shortcuts.. check the gui mixer [00:24] hpuser4466: toggle mute and unmute [00:24] hpuser4466: try with headphones [00:25] yes, i pressed the hardware volume buttons, unmute and tested headphones. Nothing works. [00:25] hpuser4466: trust no labels in alsa mixer [00:26] hpuser4466: nothing has worked *yet* [00:26] off to check bios and pulse... [00:26] good luck [00:35] OK I tested audio in the bios and sound works, so it's not a hardware fault. [00:36] Testing fedora 15 with pulse shortly. [00:36] From past experience F15 worked well with old audio chipsets. [00:37] hpuser4466: the linux kernel is the linux kernel.. but ubuntu supports what it can out of the box [00:38] i dont think its a hardware support issue... [00:38] i noticed that sudo alsa reload mentioned faulty modules [00:38] hpuser4466: you shouldnt have to do any of that [00:39] tried to reload the alsa daemon. [00:39] right,, but you shouldnt have to, is what im saying.. i dont.. [00:40] though, had a via chip that was challenging [00:40] can i install a different audio subsystem ? [00:40] hpuser4466: sure.. i would try pulse on top of alsa.. since its the big one that you have probably used before, and you can use pavucontrol [00:42] hpuser4466: whats going to make all the difference support-wise is the kernel version and the alsa version... doesnt really matter the distro [00:42] those are generally common to all the distros [01:04] are pulse and alsa the only audio systems available for linux? [01:04] hpuser4466: no [01:05] hpuser4466: but, i dont think that is the issue [01:05] hpuser4466: do you have *any* live CD laying around? [01:05] i would just start throwing them in.. i would get knoppix... knoppix is a nice diagnostic disc [01:06] i think the problem is the snd modules in lubuntu [01:06] because alsa told me they were faulty [01:07] OK distro hopping time. [01:07] hpuser4466: i dont think so [01:07] hpuser4466: you were given some output in a terminal.. that doesnt mean there is an error [01:07] hpuser4466: you can find debug verbage.. doenst mean there is any problems [01:07] unless there's a driver conflict i need to blacklist something. [01:08] hpuser4466: more likely, the driver has been pulled.. or support dropped from alsa [01:08] What other audio systems are there? [01:09] oss still work? [01:09] hpuser4466: none as popular, or well supported as alsa/pulse [01:09] what about a soundblaster usb card? [01:09] hpuser4466: i would literally open up whatever live CD you have. if you have an old ubuntu 8.04 [01:09] 10.04... [01:10] hpuser4466: when you say "i choose the device in f6" i wouldnt trust those labels [01:11] How long is 10.04 supported? [01:11] hpuser4466: which driver you using? [01:11] hang on, i'll reboot lubuntu. [01:11] hpuser4466: im not talking about using it... im just talking about hearing sound from your device [01:11] hpuser4466: furthermore what specific output do you get from lspci re: audio chip? [01:12] hpuser4466: i dont think you should use 10.04 [01:12] if you follow that link i gave, you can see what chip you have, and let wxl know [01:12] http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main is a nice list of what is available with alsa [01:13] wxl: aplay -l card 0: A5451 [ALI 5451] [01:13] well here's info about the supposed chip on that machine: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD1981B which may have relevance if and only if it is indeed the right chip. thinkwiki's been a good source for thinkpad info in my experience (i have one) [01:14] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491158 [01:14] ^^ "well i dont really know what i did, but it works now" [01:14] snd-atiixp is supposedly the right chip [01:14] thats what i think..i think its a UI issue.. i think the sound is fine, its just a matter of finding the right button. i would load up whatever live CD you are used to using and get audio just working.. [01:14] s/chip/driver/ [01:14] and note the buttons are independent of alsamixer [01:15] can't see ali 5451 on the alsa Matrix website [01:15] use lspci [01:15] hpuser4466: doesnt mean its "not" supported... aplay is more what alsa is using [01:15] hpuser4466: if you get output from aplay, then alsa is "seeing" the device [01:16] lspci -v will also tell you what kernel driver is being used [01:19] it says i'm using kernel modules: snd-ali5451 [01:19] aplay gave a segmentation fault [01:20] alsa corrupted? [01:20] hpuser4466: maybe... reinstall it if you want [01:21] ok [01:21] hpuser4466: dont run aplay though... [01:21] hpuser4466: aplay -l is the command i asked you to run [01:21] that lists what alsa *is* seeing [01:21] so, you should have sound [01:21] hpuser4466: lspci can list audio hardare that alsa is not using [01:22] hpuser4466: the way your system is reporting... the audio harware is present, the driver is loaded, and alsa is using it [01:22] what is the info on the chip in lspci? besides the driver.. [01:22] sorry i'm chatting in wiindows 7..I'll have to login with ubuntu to paste results. [01:22] lubuntu. [01:23] hpuser4466: when you are ready to solve the issue, let one of the volunteers know.. cheers! === user9003 is now known as hpuser-II [01:24] Result of lspci -v [01:24] Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) [01:24] Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad R40e [01:24] Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 [01:24] I/O ports at 8800 [size=256] [01:24] Memory at e8012000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] [01:24] Capabilities: [01:24] Kernel driver in use: snd_ali5451 [01:24] Kernel modules: snd-ali5451 [01:25] PS: I'm using the Lubuntu 12.04 live CD installer. I also installed all updates. [01:26] Never had this problem with ubuntu-mini.iso + ubuntu-lxde-desktop. [01:27] hpuser4466: then use that [01:27] hpuser4466: lubntu *is* ubuntu.. but if you are getting LXDE and ubuntu some other way that is working, use it [01:28] hpuser4466: i thought this was a new machine? one that you hadnt used before? [01:28] Lubuntu and Ubuntu+ubuntu-lxde-desktop are not the same. [01:28] hpuser4466: i didnt say they were [01:28] hpuser4466: i said lubuntu *is* ubuntu [01:29] and if you are having better luck using LXDE with ubuntu another way, go for it [01:29] first, what packages to i remove and re-install alsa? [01:30] hpuser4466: i would open the package manager of your choice and search "alsa".. for me, i usually use synaptic for that [01:32] Does Lubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu? [01:32] Yep, sure does. [01:32] hpuser4466: there are no lubuntu repos.. only ubuntu ones that all the official distros use [01:34] interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCardsAli [01:34] yeah, i usuallly just open alsamixer and tweak *everything* [01:34] you cant trust those labels either [01:36] well aplay segfaults so i'm assuming alsa is corrupted. What's the alsa metapackage that removes everything alsa related? [01:36] there's almost no info about these chips anywhere [01:36] Hi! How would I start jackd on boot? [01:39] hpuser-II: i would just search for alsa in a package manager and remove what you want, but that wont get you support [01:39] oh no, i removed alsa-base and it wants to remove lubuntu desktop. [01:39] onto: i would check KXstudio.. its a distro with packages and ppa's that starts JACK on boot [01:39] hpuser-II: thats fine, if you have LXDE installed, and dont want lubuntu anyway [01:40] onto: i would just start it.. even with the pulse dbus situation we have now, i wouldnt bother [01:40] holstein: I don't think I want to install a full distro just to configure jack :\ [01:40] lubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, doesn't matter if you remove it or not. [01:40] onto: jack doesnt need to run as root though [01:40] ok, so lxde will still boot? [01:40] onto: i didnt imply you should.. what im suggesting is you "check into it" since it *is* a distro that starts jack [01:41] onto: you can emulate it [01:41] onto: or, add the ppa's if you need [01:41] holstein: ah, I am sorry for the misunderstanding [01:41] onto: no worries [01:41] onto: try, #opensourcemusicians and keep in mind, JACK is not intended to run that way [01:42] hpuser-II: i dont know what you have.. if you have lxde installed, you can still use it.. if it gets removed you can reinstall it.. removeing alsa is *not* going to help you [01:42] holstein: I have configured alsa to be routed through jack (with a loopback device) so I just need it as a convenience (so I don't have to remember to start it everytime) [01:42] onto: we just implemented that with pulse as well [01:43] holstein: oh, I am not using pulse since it had caused me enough headaches some time back [01:44] onto: still, JACK is not intentended to be the main audio server [01:45] onto: sure.. i have headaches with computers and audio.. with pulse.. with alsa.. with whatever [01:45] onto: im not trying to say what you should do... just offering resources and facts [01:45] i use jack ... i make money using JACK [01:45] holstein: of course :) [01:46] i dont use the pulse to jack bridge.. nor the alsa to jack bridge [01:46] but, kxstudio does... out of the box.. and folks in #opensourcemusicians do the alsa bridging [01:46] JACK is not running as root, so when you get a nice JACK startup script, you can just autostart that.. in theory [01:47] but, again... its not intended for that [01:47] i also use different jack profiles depending on the latency i need [01:49] holstein: How have you set it up? [01:51] onto: i just use it [01:52] i set it up low and high latency [01:52] different presets [01:52] i dont need/want jack autostarting [01:52] i like to see it start and have my firewire device initialize [01:53] oh [01:57] holstein: Thank you for the information. I think I'll take your advise. :) === fragalot is now known as Guest98514 [04:23] how do I determine the 6 digit color code of 'the' lubuntu desktop ? [04:23] wallpaper [04:27] anyone on? === ohcibi_ is now known as ohcibi === cdoublejj_ is now known as cdoublejj === IboS_ is now known as IboS === Guest98514 is now known as fragalot [20:50] hi, how can I adjust the keyboard sensitivity ? [20:58] faLUCE: Menu --> Preferences --> Keyboard and Mouse [20:59] Select the Keyboard tab to alter the settings (it includes an area to 'try the settings out on'). [21:04] phillw: in this way I can't set he sensistivity. I can only adjust the repetitions on the same key [21:04] I don't have a touch sensitive keyboard, mine is the old fashioned press a key version. Sorry. [21:14] phillw, before i have to go to school, please try and make the lubuntu twitter more active. === ubuntu is now known as Guest21149 [21:57] hey so im sure you guys have heard this question before because i thnk its a known bug, but i cant get empathy to work in LXDE. it tells me i need to add an account but in order to do it i have to manually enter gnome-control-center credentials [21:57] even when i do that it just tells me network error [21:58] so how do i fix it [22:28] graydon: the only details with any sort of proposed resolution are at http://askubuntu.com/questions/202514/how-can-i-manage-empathy-online-accounts-in-lubuntu-12-10 (The last comment details a need to edit the *desktop file to have it show in lxde / lubuntu). [22:30] have you gotten this to work? because even when i go to the proper gnome account control and add the accounts it still wont give me a connection [22:30] ill try it anyways [22:31] it would be even better if there was another messenger for linux that had windows live messenger and facebook chat [22:31] but i dont think there is [22:31] only windows has one [22:32] bitlbee works good :) [22:32] but frankly pidgin can do anything you want [22:33] Pidgin and finch support quite a bit, there's also that other one that used libpurple backend, mozilla based I think? [22:33] facebook is jabber as far as what i remember (xmpp) [22:34] but here: https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/ [22:34] ok ill go check the ubuntu software center [22:34] oh sweet [22:34] pidgin is part of lubuntu, btw. [22:34] so pidgin has facebook and msn messenger [22:35] actually im not really using lubuntu [22:35] natively uses msn [22:35] but there are alternatives, too [22:35] i installed ubuntu onto a netbook and then installed LXDE because the lag was so bad [22:35] you should look here https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins#AdditionalProtocols [22:36] then you should just do lubuntu or at least clear off the unnecessary ubuntu cruft [22:36] !purelxde [22:36] If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [22:36] !info pidgin-facebookchat [22:36] pidgin-facebookchat (source: pidgin-facebookchat): Facebook Chat plugin for Pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-2.1ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 39 kB, installed size 119 kB [22:36] oh ho [22:36] well played [22:36] Many plugins are in the repo, actually. [22:37] I use the inbuilt msn one okay, just not for video chat. [22:37] the only thing i dont like about lubuntu or lxde is that i cant search for apps like i can through the unity dash [22:37] that was a pretty convenient feature [22:37] graydon: there's a performance price you pay for that to a degree [22:38] i just alt-f2 and start typing the first few letters of whatever command i need [22:38] does that search app names as well [22:38] nothing happened [22:38] lol [22:38] graydon: You may be able to use xfce4-appfinder ? [22:39] sounds good ill check that out as well [22:39] thanks guys [22:40] As far as I know it isn't like dash, but I've never used dash. [22:44] uh sorry guys im kind of new to linux, but how can i iadd the resources and install these plugins from terminal [22:44] i dont see any code in the plugin info pages there for installation [22:45] graydon: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pidgin-facebookchat [22:45] thanks [22:54] I guess the issue I am having is lubuntu is starting up the splash screen in a mod the lcd doesn't care for [22:54] the desktop works ok but since I had a bad crash and it won't boot now I can't see why [22:54] any way to change that [22:56] i'm just going to reload it to fix but I want to be able to see bootup messages [23:07] this facebook chat plugin for pidgin doesnt seem to work, just tells me incorrect password. but its not. looks ilke theres another facebook "xmpp" plugin so ill try that [23:07] did you use your full email for the username? [23:08] yeah [23:08] strange [23:08] however facebook is constantly changing things so i'm somewhat not totally surprised [23:09] i was expecting a popup for me to give the app permision to my account but never saw one [23:32] flyback-: if you know the screen resolution of your machine, you can tell grub to use it. There is some background on the subject at http://askubuntu.com/questions/54067/how-do-i-safely-change-grub2-screen-resolution [23:37] thx