[00:15] <hpuser4466> No sound in Lubuntu 12.04.   Audio chips:  ALI M5451.  Alsamixer volume is up/unmuted.  How to fix?
[00:15] <hpuser4466> Laptop: IBM Thinkpad R40e
[00:16] <holstein> !audio
[00:16] <holstein> hpuser4466: might want to try pulseaudio
[00:17] <holstein> hpuser4466: i might load up an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD and test with pulse
[00:17] <holstein> hpuser4466: did sound ever work?
[00:18] <hpuser4466> I don't know if sound works. I just bought this used laptop and testing the sound.
[00:18] <hpuser4466> ok..will try a different distro.
[00:18] <holstein> hpuser4466: so, not only have you never had sound working in this install, you are not sure if the hardware is functional
[00:19] <holstein> hpuser4466: im not suggesting you try a different distro
[00:19] <holstein> hpuser4466: im suggesting you try pulse.. and you can do that with a live CD from a distro that is using pulse, if you dont want to install pulse
[00:19] <hpuser4466> ok.
[00:20] <hpuser4466> Also, what USB sound cards work with lubuntu 12.04?  I'm looking at cheap ones on ebay.
[00:20] <holstein> hpuser4466: anything alsa supports
[00:20] <hpuser4466> i see no-name brand cards for $3.88 but i'm unsure.
[00:20] <holstein> hpuser4466: i dont think your internal card is not supported though
[00:21] <holstein> hpuser4466: open a terminal and type
[00:21] <holstein> aplay -l
[00:21] <holstein> if you see output, your card *should* work
[00:22] <holstein> hpuser4466: do you see output?
[00:22] <hpuser4466> i see card 0:  A5451 [ALI 5451]
[00:22] <holstein> hpuser4466: ok.. so, its likely you just are not used to the settings in lubuntu
[00:23] <hpuser4466> i'm familiar with alsamixer and selected the card with f6.  but no sound.
[00:23] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would suggest reading the rest of that link above ^^ and consider trying live CD's til you get something that just works, so you know the hardware works
[00:23] <hpuser4466> ok. I'll also check bios to make sure nothing is disabled.  Thanks.
[00:24] <holstein> if it were disabled in the bios, it shouldnt show in lspci or aplay -l
[00:24] <holstein> check there though.. also, try keyboard shortcuts.. check the gui mixer
[00:24] <holstein> hpuser4466: toggle mute and unmute
[00:24] <holstein> hpuser4466: try with headphones
[00:25] <hpuser4466> yes, i pressed the hardware volume buttons, unmute and tested headphones. Nothing works.
[00:25] <holstein> hpuser4466: trust no labels in alsa mixer
[00:26] <holstein> hpuser4466: nothing has worked *yet*
[00:26] <hpuser4466> off to check bios and pulse...
[00:26] <holstein> good luck
[00:35] <hpuser4466> OK I tested audio in the bios and sound works, so it's not a hardware fault.
[00:36] <hpuser4466> Testing fedora 15 with pulse shortly.
[00:36] <hpuser4466> From past experience F15 worked well with old audio chipsets.
[00:37] <holstein> hpuser4466: the linux kernel is the linux kernel.. but ubuntu supports what it can out of the box
[00:38] <holstein> i dont think its a hardware support issue...
[00:38] <hpuser4466> i noticed that sudo alsa reload mentioned faulty modules
[00:38] <holstein> hpuser4466: you shouldnt have to do any of that
[00:39] <hpuser4466> tried to reload the alsa daemon.
[00:39] <holstein> right,, but you shouldnt have to, is what im saying.. i dont..
[00:40] <holstein> though, had a via chip that was challenging
[00:40] <hpuser4466> can i install a different audio subsystem ?
[00:40] <holstein> hpuser4466: sure.. i would try pulse on top of alsa.. since its the big one that you have probably used before, and you can use pavucontrol
[00:42] <holstein> hpuser4466: whats going to make all the difference support-wise is the kernel version and the alsa version... doesnt really matter the distro
[00:42] <holstein> those are generally common to all the distros
[01:04] <hpuser4466> are pulse and alsa the only audio systems available for linux?
[01:04] <holstein> hpuser4466: no
[01:05] <holstein> hpuser4466: but, i dont think that is the issue
[01:05] <holstein> hpuser4466: do you have *any* live CD laying around?
[01:05] <holstein> i would just start throwing them in.. i would get knoppix... knoppix is a nice diagnostic disc
[01:06] <hpuser4466> i think the problem is the snd modules in lubuntu
[01:06] <hpuser4466> because alsa told me they were faulty
[01:07] <hpuser4466> OK distro hopping time.
[01:07] <holstein> hpuser4466: i dont think so
[01:07] <holstein> hpuser4466: you were given some output in a terminal.. that doesnt mean there is an error
[01:07] <holstein> hpuser4466: you can find debug verbage.. doenst mean there is any problems
[01:07] <hpuser4466> unless there's a driver conflict i need to blacklist something.
[01:08] <holstein> hpuser4466: more likely, the driver has been pulled.. or support dropped from alsa
[01:08] <hpuser4466> What other audio systems are there?
[01:09] <hpuser4466> oss still work?
[01:09] <holstein> hpuser4466: none as popular, or well supported as alsa/pulse
[01:09] <hpuser4466> what about a soundblaster usb card?
[01:09] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would literally open up whatever live CD you have. if you have an old ubuntu 8.04
[01:09] <holstein> 10.04...
[01:10] <holstein> hpuser4466: when you say "i choose the device in f6" i wouldnt trust those labels
[01:11] <hpuser4466> How long is 10.04 supported?
[01:11] <wxl> hpuser4466: which driver you using?
[01:11] <hpuser4466> hang on, i'll reboot lubuntu.
[01:11] <holstein> hpuser4466: im not talking about using it... im just talking about hearing sound from your device
[01:11] <wxl> hpuser4466: furthermore what specific output do you get from lspci re: audio chip?
[01:12] <holstein> hpuser4466: i dont think you should use 10.04
[01:12] <holstein> if you follow that link i gave, you can see what chip you have, and let wxl know
[01:12] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main is a nice list of what is available with alsa
[01:13] <holstein> wxl: aplay -l card 0:  A5451 [ALI 5451]
[01:13] <wxl> well here's info about the supposed chip on that machine: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD1981B which may have relevance if and only if it is indeed the right chip. thinkwiki's been a good source for thinkpad info in my experience (i have one)
[01:14] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491158
[01:14] <holstein> ^^ "well i dont really know what i did, but it works now"
[01:14] <wxl> snd-atiixp is supposedly the right chip
[01:14] <holstein> thats what i think..i think its a UI issue.. i think the sound is fine, its just a matter of finding the right button. i would load up whatever live CD you are used to using and get audio just working..
[01:14] <wxl> s/chip/driver/
[01:14] <wxl> and note the buttons are independent of alsamixer
[01:15] <hpuser4466> can't see ali 5451 on the alsa Matrix website
[01:15] <wxl> use lspci
[01:15] <holstein> hpuser4466: doesnt mean its "not" supported... aplay is more what alsa is using
[01:15] <holstein> hpuser4466: if you get output from aplay, then alsa is "seeing" the device
[01:16] <wxl> lspci -v will also tell you what kernel driver is being used
[01:19] <hpuser4466> it says i'm using kernel modules:  snd-ali5451
[01:19] <hpuser4466> aplay gave a segmentation fault
[01:20] <hpuser4466> alsa corrupted?
[01:20] <holstein> hpuser4466: maybe... reinstall it if you want
[01:21] <hpuser4466> ok
[01:21] <holstein> hpuser4466: dont run aplay though...
[01:21] <holstein> hpuser4466: aplay -l is the command i asked you to run
[01:21] <holstein> that lists what alsa *is* seeing
[01:21] <holstein> so, you should have sound
[01:21] <holstein> hpuser4466: lspci can list audio hardare that alsa is not using
[01:22] <holstein> hpuser4466: the way your system is reporting... the audio harware is present, the driver is loaded, and alsa is using it
[01:22] <wxl> what is the info on the chip in lspci? besides the driver..
[01:22] <hpuser4466> sorry i'm chatting in wiindows 7..I'll have to login with ubuntu to paste results.
[01:22] <hpuser4466> lubuntu.
[01:23] <holstein> hpuser4466: when you are ready to solve the issue, let one of the volunteers know.. cheers!
[01:24] <hpuser-II> Result of lspci -v
[01:24] <hpuser-II>  Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02)
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad R40e
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	I/O ports at 8800 [size=256]
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Memory at e8012000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Kernel driver in use: snd_ali5451
[01:24] <hpuser-II> 	Kernel modules: snd-ali5451
[01:25] <hpuser4466> PS:  I'm using the Lubuntu 12.04 live CD installer. I also installed all updates.
[01:26] <hpuser4466> Never had this problem with ubuntu-mini.iso + ubuntu-lxde-desktop.
[01:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: then use that
[01:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: lubntu *is* ubuntu.. but if you are getting LXDE and ubuntu some other way that is working, use it
[01:28] <holstein> hpuser4466: i thought this was a new machine? one that you hadnt used before?
[01:28] <hpuser4466> Lubuntu and Ubuntu+ubuntu-lxde-desktop are not the same.
[01:28] <holstein> hpuser4466: i didnt say they were
[01:28] <holstein> hpuser4466: i said lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[01:29] <holstein> and if you are having better luck using LXDE with ubuntu another way, go for it
[01:29] <hpuser4466> first, what packages to i remove and re-install alsa?
[01:30] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would open the package manager of your choice and search "alsa".. for me, i usually use synaptic for that
[01:32] <hpuser-II> Does Lubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu?
[01:32] <Unit193> Yep, sure does.
[01:32] <holstein> hpuser4466: there are no lubuntu repos.. only ubuntu ones that all the official distros use
[01:34] <wxl> interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCardsAli
[01:34] <holstein> yeah, i usuallly just open alsamixer and tweak *everything*
[01:34] <holstein> you cant trust those labels either
[01:36] <hpuser-II> well aplay segfaults so i'm assuming alsa is corrupted. What's the alsa metapackage that removes everything alsa related?
[01:36] <wxl> there's almost no info about these chips anywhere
[01:36] <onto> Hi! How would I start jackd on boot?
[01:39] <holstein> hpuser-II: i would just search for alsa in a package manager and remove what you want, but that wont get you support
[01:39] <hpuser-II> oh no, i removed alsa-base and it wants to remove lubuntu desktop.
[01:39] <holstein> onto: i would check KXstudio.. its a distro with packages and ppa's that starts JACK on boot
[01:39] <holstein> hpuser-II: thats fine, if you have LXDE installed, and dont want lubuntu anyway
[01:40] <holstein> onto: i would just start it.. even with the pulse dbus situation we have now, i wouldnt bother
[01:40] <onto> holstein: I don't think I want to install a full distro just to configure jack :\
[01:40] <Unit193> lubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, doesn't matter if you remove it or not.
[01:40] <holstein> onto: jack doesnt need to run as root though
[01:40] <hpuser-II> ok, so lxde will still boot?
[01:40] <holstein> onto: i didnt imply you should.. what im suggesting is you "check into it" since it *is* a distro that starts jack
[01:41] <holstein> onto: you can emulate it
[01:41] <holstein> onto: or, add the ppa's if you need
[01:41] <onto> holstein: ah, I am sorry for the misunderstanding
[01:41] <holstein> onto: no worries
[01:41] <holstein> onto: try, #opensourcemusicians and keep in mind, JACK is not intended to run that way
[01:42] <holstein> hpuser-II: i dont know what you have.. if you have lxde installed, you can still use it.. if it gets removed you can reinstall it.. removeing alsa is *not* going to help you
[01:42] <onto> holstein: I have configured alsa to be routed through jack (with a loopback device) so I just need it as a convenience (so I don't have to remember to start it everytime)
[01:42] <holstein> onto: we just implemented that with pulse as well
[01:43] <onto> holstein: oh, I am not using pulse since it had caused me enough headaches some time back
[01:44] <holstein> onto: still, JACK is not intentended to be the main audio server
[01:45] <holstein> onto: sure.. i have headaches with computers and audio.. with pulse.. with alsa.. with whatever
[01:45] <holstein> onto: im not trying to say what you should do... just offering resources and facts
[01:45] <holstein> i use jack ... i make money using JACK
[01:45] <onto> holstein: of course :)
[01:46] <holstein> i dont use the pulse to jack bridge.. nor the alsa to jack bridge
[01:46] <holstein> but, kxstudio does... out of the box.. and folks in #opensourcemusicians do the alsa bridging
[01:46] <holstein> JACK is not running as root, so when you get a nice JACK startup script, you can just autostart that.. in theory
[01:47] <holstein> but, again... its not intended for that
[01:47] <holstein> i also use different jack profiles depending on the latency i need
[01:49] <onto> holstein: How have you set it up?
[01:51] <holstein> onto: i just use it
[01:52] <holstein> i set it up low and high latency
[01:52] <holstein> different presets
[01:52] <holstein> i dont need/want jack autostarting
[01:52] <holstein> i like to see it start and have my firewire device initialize
[01:53] <onto> oh
[01:57] <onto> holstein: Thank you for the information. I think I'll take your advise. :)
[04:23] <prpl> how do I determine the 6 digit color code of 'the' lubuntu desktop ?
[04:23] <prpl> wallpaper
[04:27] <Sail> anyone on?
[20:50] <faLUCE> hi, how can I adjust the keyboard sensitivity ?
[20:58] <phillw> faLUCE: Menu --> Preferences --> Keyboard and Mouse
[20:59] <phillw> Select the Keyboard tab to alter the settings (it includes an area to 'try the settings out on').
[21:04] <faLUCE> phillw: in this way I can't set he sensistivity. I can only adjust the repetitions on the same key
[21:04] <phillw> I don't have a touch sensitive keyboard, mine is the old fashioned press a key version. Sorry.
[21:14] <Noskcaj> phillw, before i have to go to school, please try and make the lubuntu twitter more active.
[21:57] <graydon> hey so im sure you guys have heard this question before because i thnk its a known bug, but i cant get empathy to work in LXDE. it tells me i need to add an account but in order to do it i have to manually enter gnome-control-center credentials
[21:57] <graydon> even when i do that it just tells me network error
[21:58] <graydon> so how do i fix it
[22:28] <phillw> graydon: the only details with any sort of proposed resolution are at http://askubuntu.com/questions/202514/how-can-i-manage-empathy-online-accounts-in-lubuntu-12-10 (The last comment details a need to edit the *desktop file to have it show in lxde / lubuntu).
[22:30] <graydon> have you gotten this to work? because even when i go to the proper gnome account control and add the accounts it still wont give me a connection
[22:30] <graydon> ill try it anyways
[22:31] <graydon> it would be even better if there was another messenger for linux that had windows live messenger and facebook chat
[22:31] <graydon> but i dont think there is
[22:31] <graydon> only windows has one
[22:32] <wxl> bitlbee works good :)
[22:32] <wxl> but frankly pidgin can do anything you want
[22:33] <Unit193> Pidgin and finch support quite a bit, there's also that other one that used libpurple backend, mozilla based I think?
[22:33] <wxl> facebook is jabber as far as what i remember (xmpp)
[22:34] <wxl> but here: https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/
[22:34] <graydon> ok ill go check the ubuntu software center
[22:34] <graydon> oh sweet
[22:34] <wxl> pidgin is part of lubuntu, btw.
[22:34] <graydon> so pidgin has facebook and msn messenger
[22:35] <graydon> actually im not really using lubuntu
[22:35] <wxl> natively uses msn
[22:35] <wxl> but there are alternatives, too
[22:35] <graydon> i installed ubuntu onto a netbook and then installed LXDE because the lag was so bad
[22:35] <wxl> you should look here https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins#AdditionalProtocols
[22:36] <wxl> then you should just do lubuntu or at least clear off the unnecessary ubuntu cruft
[22:36] <wxl> !purelxde
[22:36] <Unit193> !info pidgin-facebookchat
[22:36] <wxl> oh ho
[22:36] <wxl> well played
[22:36] <Unit193> Many plugins are in the repo, actually.
[22:37] <phillw> I use the inbuilt msn one okay, just not for video chat.
[22:37] <graydon> the only thing i dont like about lubuntu or lxde is that i cant search for apps like i can through the unity dash
[22:37] <graydon> that was a pretty convenient feature
[22:37] <wxl> graydon: there's a performance price you pay for that to a degree
[22:38] <wxl> i just alt-f2 and start typing the first few letters of whatever command i need
[22:38] <graydon> does that search app names as well
[22:38] <graydon> nothing happened
[22:38] <graydon> lol
[22:38] <Unit193> graydon: You may be able to use xfce4-appfinder ?
[22:39] <graydon> sounds good ill check that out as well
[22:39] <graydon> thanks guys
[22:40] <Unit193> As far as I know it isn't like dash, but I've never used dash.
[22:44] <graydon> uh sorry guys im kind of new to linux, but how can i iadd the resources and install these plugins from terminal
[22:44] <graydon> i dont see any code in the plugin info pages there for installation
[22:45] <wxl> graydon: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pidgin-facebookchat
[22:45] <graydon> thanks
[22:54] <flyback-> I guess the issue I am having is lubuntu is starting up the splash screen in a mod the lcd doesn't care for
[22:54] <flyback-> the desktop works ok but since I had a bad crash and it won't boot now I can't see why
[22:54] <flyback-> any way to change that
[22:56] <flyback-> i'm just going to reload it to fix but I want to be able to see bootup messages
[23:07] <graydon> this facebook chat plugin for pidgin doesnt seem to work, just tells me incorrect password. but its not. looks ilke theres another facebook "xmpp" plugin so ill try that
[23:07] <wxl> did you use your full email for the username?
[23:08] <graydon> yeah
[23:08] <wxl> strange
[23:08] <wxl> however facebook is constantly changing things so i'm somewhat not totally surprised
[23:09] <graydon> i was expecting a popup for me to give the app permision to my account but never saw one
[23:32] <phillw> flyback-: if you know the screen resolution of your machine, you can tell grub to use it. There is some background on the subject at http://askubuntu.com/questions/54067/how-do-i-safely-change-grub2-screen-resolution
[23:37] <flyback-> thx