| IDWMaster | Hi. I'd like to vote to have Unity not send search data to Amazon by default. | 03:31 |
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| IDWMaster | A number of my friends have been complaining about that being the default setting and are concerned about Ubuntu's direction because of it. | 03:31 |
| IDWMaster | The addition of: | 03:34 |
| IDWMaster | Amazon | 03:34 |
| IDWMaster | and Commercial apps in the Software Center | 03:34 |
| IDWMaster | has caused concern amongst a lot of people regarding Ubuntu's direction | 03:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | uh... | 04:30 |
| TheLordOfTime | isn't that only for the shopping lens? | 04:30 |
| TheLordOfTime | and I thought that was able to be disabled by hand? | 04:30 |
| AlanBell | gosh, voting has opened on that issue, I must have missed the memo | 12:38 |
| IdleOne | I vote we close the vote until am election has been announced. | 12:39 |
| IdleOne | welcome | 12:50 |
| AlanBell | PrincessLuna: hi | 12:50 |
| PrincessLuna | Hi | 12:50 |
| IdleOne | PrincessLuna: like you mentioned a banner on the home page would be IMHO a legal problem for Ubuntu/Canonical. | 12:50 |
| AlanBell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1040557 | 12:51 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1040557 in linux (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot live-usb bricks SAMSUNG 530U3C,np700z5c laptop" [Critical,Fix committed] | 12:51 |
| PrincessLuna | IdleOne: Why? | 12:51 |
| PrincessLuna | AlanBell: I've seen that now | 12:51 |
| IdleOne | Samsung could turn around and say Ubuntu is damaging their reputation | 12:51 |
| AlanBell | I don't think it would be a legal problem really | 12:51 |
| AlanBell | nah, they did the damage themselves | 12:51 |
| IdleOne | right, but anyone looking to buy a Samsung laptop may google and land on the Ubuntu website and see "Samsung Sucks" paraphrasing of course | 12:52 |
| PrincessLuna | IdleOne: Not a banner saying "Samsung is bad, boycott Samsung" but rather a notice saying "do not install on Samsung XXX because of bug XXX that may brick the laptop" | 12:52 |
| AlanBell | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22028.html | 12:52 |
| IdleOne | They added that info in the release notes which I think is sufficient if someone does a little research | 12:52 |
| IdleOne | PrincessLuna: unfortunately you got bit by the bug and found out to late :/ | 12:53 |
| PrincessLuna | I'm pretty sure people will be bricking laptops for years to come because 12.04 is an LTS | 12:53 |
| PrincessLuna | IdleOne: I knew that Ubuntu worked on other ultrabooks with identical specs so I thought it would be safe | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | if they do it'll be because they didn't do a little research | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | doesn't seem to be a hardware bug though | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | other machines with the exact same hardware may not have the same firmware | 12:54 |
| AlanBell | to be fair I would completely have fallen into that too and bricked my laptop | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | I never check the release notes either | 12:55 |
| IdleOne | gotta run out for milk :/ | 12:56 |
| PrincessLuna | I checked the release notes, I think I read that issue but it didn't strike me that it affected that laptop as I was about to install. Wasn't even thinking about it. | 13:00 |
| AlanBell | :( | 13:02 |
| AlanBell | I think if you send the laptop back they should replace it | 13:02 |
| PrincessLuna | The problem is that he purchased this computer overseas. No warranty on it where I live. | 13:05 |
| AlanBell | hmm | 13:06 |
| AlanBell | blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss | 13:06 |
| PrincessLuna | lol | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | samsung should do a recall for this | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | not particularly because it is brickable via installing ubuntu or fedora | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | but this means that it is brickable by any software that wants to poke at that bit of memory | 13:08 |
| ubuntubhoy | they wont, same as with their phone bugs | 13:08 |
| jussi | PrincessLuna: seriously though, AlanBell is correct. | 13:08 |
| jussi | [15:06:47] <AlanBell> blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss | 13:08 |
| PrincessLuna | jussi: Haha don't have time for that. I have two options 1) Refund him 2) Give him my thinkpad twist (which is still shipping) when it arrives and use my netbook a bit longer as main computer :(. | 13:13 |
| AlanBell | maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do | 13:19 |
| AlanBell | but blogging it would really be a good idea | 13:19 |
| PrincessLuna | And how would blogging it help? | 13:21 |
| IdleOne | unhappy customers making a fuss == possible loss of profits. They would rather give you a free laptop and show the potential customers "what a nice" company they are | 13:22 |
| PrincessLuna | IdleOne: Only problem is that it isn't my laptop! | 13:23 |
| IdleOne | I guess you're out of options. | 13:23 |
| IdleOne | wait. | 13:23 |
| IdleOne | <AlanBell> maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do | 13:23 |
| AlanBell | if it is written up somewhere we can direct a ton of attention on it, from canonical and more importantly samsung | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | they really don't like negative publicity | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | PrincessLuna: doesn't matter that it isn't your laptop | 13:26 |
| AlanBell | in fact that makes it a more interesting story | 13:26 |
| IdleOne | you're the voice of the "oppressed " Speak loud so you can be heard! | 13:26 |
| IdleOne | or be herded | 13:27 |
| PrincessLuna | Ok got it booting Windows 7. Removed battery and Cmos battery then put them back and its working. That's a relief! | 13:27 |
| AlanBell | wasn't that problem at all then | 13:28 |
| PrincessLuna | Now I just have to give it back tomorrow. | 13:28 |
| AlanBell | when the samsungs are bricked they are dead | 13:28 |
| PrincessLuna | AlanBell: Really? I read this http://www.anandtech.com/show/6713/samsung-laptops-bricked-by-booting-linux-using-uefi and the last part encouraged me to try this | 13:29 |
| AlanBell | ooh, interesting | 13:29 |
| AlanBell | that would be a good thing to add to bug 1040557 then | 13:29 |
| ubot5 | bug 1040557 in linux (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot live-usb bricks SAMSUNG 530U3C,np700z5c laptop" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040557 | 13:29 |
| PrincessLuna | Anyway, problem solved. I'm not installing Ubuntu on this. | 13:31 |
| AlanBell | fedora too | 13:31 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | or don't use uefi mode | 13:32 |
| PrincessLuna | Linux kernels with the samsung driver enabled in general. I'll tell him to use virtualbox if he wants | 13:32 |
| PrincessLuna | AlanBell: Not worth the risk, also if he rests bios/EFI settings to defaults it might re-brick | 13:33 |
| PrincessLuna | resets | 13:33 |
| AlanBell | true | 13:33 |
| PrincessLuna | Hopefully my ultrabook won't have these problems. But its a thinkpad so I think it should be safe. | 13:37 |
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