[03:31] <IDWMaster> Hi. I'd like to vote to have Unity not send search data to Amazon by default.
[03:31] <IDWMaster> A number of my friends have been complaining about that being the default setting and are concerned about Ubuntu's direction because of it.
[03:34] <IDWMaster> The addition of:
[03:34] <IDWMaster> Amazon
[03:34] <IDWMaster> and Commercial apps in the Software Center
[03:34] <IDWMaster> has caused concern amongst a lot of people regarding Ubuntu's direction
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> uh...
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> isn't that only for the shopping lens?
[04:30] <TheLordOfTime> and I thought that was able to be disabled by hand?
[12:38] <AlanBell> gosh, voting has opened on that issue, I must have missed the memo
[12:39] <IdleOne> I vote we close the vote until am election has been announced.
[12:50] <IdleOne> welcome
[12:50] <AlanBell> PrincessLuna: hi
[12:50] <PrincessLuna> Hi
[12:50] <IdleOne> PrincessLuna: like you mentioned a banner on the home page would be IMHO a legal problem for Ubuntu/Canonical.
[12:51] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1040557
[12:51] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Why?
[12:51] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: I've seen that now
[12:51] <IdleOne> Samsung could turn around and say Ubuntu is damaging their reputation
[12:51] <AlanBell> I don't think it would be a legal problem really
[12:51] <AlanBell> nah, they did the damage themselves
[12:52] <IdleOne> right, but anyone looking to buy a Samsung laptop may google and land on the Ubuntu website and see "Samsung Sucks" paraphrasing of course
[12:52] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Not a banner saying "Samsung is bad, boycott Samsung" but rather a notice saying "do not install on Samsung XXX because of bug XXX that may brick the laptop"
[12:52] <AlanBell> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22028.html
[12:52] <IdleOne> They added that info in the release notes which I think is sufficient if someone does a little research
[12:53] <IdleOne> PrincessLuna: unfortunately you got bit by the bug and found out to late :/
[12:53] <PrincessLuna> I'm pretty sure people will be bricking laptops for years to come because 12.04 is an LTS
[12:54] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: I knew that Ubuntu worked on other ultrabooks with identical specs so I thought it would be safe
[12:54] <IdleOne> if they do it'll be because they didn't do a little research
[12:54] <IdleOne> doesn't seem to be a hardware bug though
[12:54] <IdleOne> other machines with the exact same hardware may not have the same firmware
[12:54] <AlanBell> to be fair I would completely have fallen into that too and bricked my laptop
[12:55] <IdleOne> I never check the release notes either
[12:56] <IdleOne> gotta run out for milk :/
[13:00] <PrincessLuna> I checked the release notes, I think I read that issue but it didn't strike me that it affected that laptop as I was about to install. Wasn't even thinking about it.
[13:02] <AlanBell> :(
[13:02] <AlanBell> I think if you send the laptop back they should replace it
[13:05] <PrincessLuna> The problem is that he purchased this computer overseas. No warranty on it where I live.
[13:06] <AlanBell> hmm
[13:06] <AlanBell> blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss
[13:07] <PrincessLuna> lol
[13:07] <AlanBell> samsung should do a recall for this
[13:07] <AlanBell> not particularly because it is brickable via installing ubuntu or fedora
[13:08] <AlanBell> but this means that it is brickable by any software that wants to poke at that bit of memory
[13:08] <ubuntubhoy> they wont, same as with their phone bugs
[13:08] <jussi> PrincessLuna: seriously though, AlanBell is correct.
[13:08] <jussi> [15:06:47] <AlanBell> blog it and tweet about it and make a fuss
[13:13] <PrincessLuna> jussi: Haha don't have time for that. I have two options 1) Refund him 2) Give him my thinkpad twist (which is still shipping) when it arrives and use my netbook a bit longer as main computer :(.
[13:19] <AlanBell> maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do
[13:19] <AlanBell> but blogging it would really be a good idea
[13:21] <PrincessLuna> And how would blogging it help?
[13:22] <IdleOne> unhappy customers making a fuss == possible loss of profits. They would rather give you a free laptop and show the potential customers "what a nice" company they are
[13:23] <PrincessLuna> IdleOne: Only problem is that it isn't my laptop!
[13:23] <IdleOne> I guess you're out of options.
[13:23] <IdleOne> wait.
 maybe contact a local samsung dealer and ask them what to do
[13:25] <AlanBell> if it is written up somewhere we can direct a ton of attention on it, from canonical and more importantly samsung
[13:25] <AlanBell> they really don't like negative publicity
[13:26] <AlanBell> PrincessLuna: doesn't matter that it isn't your laptop
[13:26] <AlanBell> in fact that makes it a more interesting story
[13:26] <IdleOne> you're the voice of the "oppressed " Speak loud so you can be heard!
[13:27] <IdleOne> or be herded
[13:27] <PrincessLuna> Ok got it booting Windows 7. Removed battery and Cmos battery then put them back and its working. That's a relief!
[13:28] <AlanBell> wasn't that problem at all then
[13:28] <PrincessLuna> Now I just have to give it back tomorrow.
[13:28] <AlanBell> when the samsungs are bricked they are dead
[13:29] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: Really? I read this http://www.anandtech.com/show/6713/samsung-laptops-bricked-by-booting-linux-using-uefi and the last part encouraged me to try this
[13:29] <AlanBell> ooh, interesting
[13:29] <AlanBell> that would be a good thing to add to bug 1040557 then
[13:31] <PrincessLuna> Anyway, problem solved. I'm not installing Ubuntu on this.
[13:31] <AlanBell> fedora too
[13:32] <Tm_T> hmm
[13:32] <AlanBell> or don't use uefi mode
[13:32] <PrincessLuna> Linux kernels with the samsung driver enabled in general. I'll tell him to use virtualbox if he wants
[13:33] <PrincessLuna> AlanBell: Not worth the risk, also if he rests bios/EFI settings to defaults it might re-brick
[13:33] <PrincessLuna> resets
[13:33] <AlanBell> true
[13:37] <PrincessLuna> Hopefully my ultrabook won't have these problems. But its a thinkpad so I think it should be safe.