| micahg | kirkland: Laney: that's bug 594916 | 00:01 |
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| ubottu | bug 594916 in launchpad-buildd "buildd does not install alternate dependency for versioned ORed build-dependencies" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594916 | 00:01 |
| kirkland | micahg: k, thanks | 00:02 |
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| Niraj_ | Hi can anybody tell me, as a beginner to ubuntu dev, where can I find issues to fix? | 04:30 |
| astraljava | Niraj_: Good starting points: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment and http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/, the former about development of Ubuntu, the latter development on Ubuntu. :) | 04:35 |
| Niraj_ | Thanks astraljava | 04:39 |
| astraljava | Niraj_: Also, lots of good questions being answered on Launchpad's answers section. | 04:40 |
| Niraj_ | I was hoping to start by actually dirtying my hands in some bug. So, if there is any list of 'paper-cut' bugs, I can get started immediately. | 04:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | the advice we tend to give new bug people is to pick a package you're passionate about and look there | 04:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | since there's literally hundreds of packages in the repositories (?) | 04:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | and by 'we' i mean the bugsquad | 04:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | s/look there/start there/ | 04:48 |
| Niraj_ | Only problem I find is that most of the packages are so matured that bugs are quite involving. | 04:51 |
| Niraj_ | which may be a bit difficult in begining | 04:51 |
| TheLordOfTime | and now you know why i don't like teaching new bug people about bugs :P | 04:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | except in passing :p | 04:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | most of the bugs I see're segfault bugs | 04:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | which are intense ones | 04:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | 'course, being on bug control, i see the private bugs too, so... :P | 04:52 |
| Niraj_ | hmm. how about packaging problems? or packaging new tools which not yet in ubuntu? | 04:53 |
| TheLordOfTime | i wonder if we still have the 'bitesize' bug things... | 04:54 |
| Niraj_ | I searched in launchpad, didn't find any | 04:56 |
| ESphynx | if all else fails, I have some bugs to fix in my project :P | 04:57 |
| Niraj_ | tell me | 04:58 |
| Niraj_ | I'll give it a shot | 04:58 |
| ESphynx | Niraj_: http://ecere.com/mantis/ --> that's our tracker :P | 04:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | Niraj_: yeah, i think we got rid of 'bitesize', but idk | 05:04 |
| TheLordOfTime | Niraj_: for the record, my specialty is with certain packages, i work with a couple of the server packages, and a bit of universe... | 05:04 |
| TheLordOfTime | and i dabble when its necessary in other bugs :P | 05:05 |
| TheLordOfTime | (just saying) | 05:05 |
| Niraj_ | TheLordOfTime: which packages you are working right now? | 05:07 |
| TheLordOfTime | none, at the moment, i'm rebuilding my ubuntu system :p | 05:07 |
| * TheLordOfTime had critical HDD failure :P | 05:07 | |
| ESphynx | =( HD failures suck | 05:07 |
| TheLordOfTime | yep | 05:07 |
| TheLordOfTime | of course, i do my packaging/bug-debdiffing in the cloud, so... | 05:08 |
| Niraj_ | thanks guys. I can start in ecere for now | 05:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | Niraj_: the packages i keep my eye on are: nginx (universe), znc (universe), php5 (main), and a few others, but my primary focus is bugs triage, not "fixing" the bugs all the time :p | 05:12 |
| TheLordOfTime | i.e. getting bugs from new/confirmed -> where it needs to be to be fixed. | 05:15 |
| TheLordOfTime | so i'm less of a dev, more of just a bugs triager :) | 05:15 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... speaking of which i need to check one of the nginx bugs i am on... | 05:15 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:53 |
| ESphynx | good morning dholbach :) | 07:59 |
| ESphynx | My acupuncturist gave me what I think of a good advice today... | 07:59 |
| ESphynx | I was complaining how 24 hours in a day wasn't enough for me, she said to think of it as 48 half-hours :P | 08:00 |
| dholbach | hi ESphynx | 08:00 |
| dholbach | :-) | 08:00 |
| ESphynx | so from now on I live on a different planet with 48 shorter hours. | 08:00 |
| ESphynx | dholbach what are you up to? | 08:01 |
| ESphynx | are you hired by Canonical? | 08:01 |
| dholbach | yes, I work for Canonical | 08:01 |
| ESphynx | in a local office or at home? | 08:01 |
| dholbach | at home | 08:02 |
| ESphynx | cool | 08:02 |
| ESphynx | I should get a watch that beeps every 30 minutes | 08:04 |
| ESphynx | or at least set up a sound on my computer | 08:04 |
| geser | ESphynx: do you know work twice as fast or does a task which took 1 hour earlier now take 2 half-hours? :) | 08:33 |
| ESphynx | geser: I'm hoping thinking of it that way will get me working twice as fast :) | 08:35 |
| ESphynx | my theory is the following... | 08:36 |
| ESphynx | Say a task takes me about 10 minutes of intense neural activity to do... and then the next 50 minutes I waste slacking away seeing the hour pass... Now I'm going to be doing these 10 neuron rushes every 30 minutes instead of every hour :P | 08:37 |
| ESphynx | but generally the problem is that I have a bulldozer approach to coding... I just sit and code till I drop or the problem is solved... and if I drop I'm back at it as soon as I'm functional again | 08:38 |
| ESphynx | now this has a tenedncy to throw my sleep and other life patterns completely out of wack, and it's having a serious toll on my body... also doesn't leave time for me to exercise as I should :( | 08:38 |
| ESphynx | and maybe I can allocate time more efficiently and make everything fit in 48 half-hours easier than in 24 hours =) | 08:39 |
| dholbach | sometimes it's hard to see the value and positive effect of breaks | 08:59 |
| ESphynx | is there a 'but' coming? lol | 09:00 |
| dholbach | but once you do do them, you're harming your body less | 09:00 |
| ESphynx | ah :) | 09:00 |
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| Quintasan | \o | 11:55 |
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| rikketik | \join ubuntu-dev | 16:06 |
| rikketik | \join #ubuntu-dev | 16:07 |
| Niraj_ | hi, can somebody tell me how can I make 32bit and 64bit packages coexist in my system? | 16:16 |
| sladen | Niraj_: in theory, just apt-get install anything you want | 16:25 |
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| sladen | Niraj_: however, are you saying this is /not/ the case, or that you have a bug? | 16:25 |
| sladen | Niraj_: what is it that you've tried... or which is not working; can you describe it | 16:26 |
| Niraj_ | synaptic removes original package when trying to install i386 version. I guess two conflict with each other | 16:26 |
| sladen | Niraj_: which package are you trying to install? | 16:27 |
| Niraj_ | zlib perticularly | 16:27 |
| Niraj_ | but i guess many other conflict | 16:27 |
| sladen | on my install I have zlib1g and zlib1g:i386 installed | 16:28 |
| sladen | what command(s) are you typing exactly? | 16:28 |
| Niraj_ | I am using synaptic | 16:28 |
| sladen | in Synaptic what /exactly/ are you clicking/selecting (and what are you doing to choose/request the :i386 version? | 16:29 |
| Niraj_ | just a correction, it is zlib-i386-dev | 16:29 |
| Niraj_ | which probably conflicts with zlib-dev | 16:29 |
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| Niraj_ | and zlib-386-dev does say that it conflicts with 64 counterpart | 16:31 |
| Niraj_ | so rephrasing original question, is it possible for dev pkgs to coexist? | 16:31 |
| sladen | that makes sense, as they'd both want to install /usr/include/zlib.h | 16:31 |
| Niraj_ | hmm | 16:32 |
| Niraj_ | do these headers differ? | 16:32 |
| sladen | no | 16:32 |
| Niraj_ | so installing 386-dev shouldnt be a prob overall, even if it removes few 64bit pkgs | 16:33 |
| Niraj_ | is it correct? | 16:33 |
| ESphynx | Niraj_: should not be :) | 16:34 |
| sladen | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation#Why_update_your_library_package_for_multiarch_support.3F | 16:34 |
| Niraj_ | ESphynx: glad you are still here | 16:34 |
| Niraj_ | setting ecere dev env is tricky | 16:34 |
| ESphynx | still here :P | 16:34 |
| Niraj_ | :) | 16:34 |
| ESphynx | oh don't hesitate to ping me Niraj_ :) | 16:35 |
| sladen | Niraj_: if I understand correctly, you're wanting to crossbuild i386 packages on an amd64 install? | 16:35 |
| Niraj_ | thanks. and thanks sladen | 16:35 |
| Niraj_ | kind of. ecere only supports i386 as of now | 16:36 |
| sladen | Niraj_: I can't find reference to "zlib-i386-dev". what happens if you simply do sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev:i386 ? | 16:39 |
| Niraj_ | it uninstalls lot of libraries including zlib-dev | 16:39 |
| ESphynx | There's lib32z1-dev too :P | 16:39 |
| ESphynx | seriously. what a mess the multilib :P | 16:39 |
| sladen | AFAICT lib32z1-dev is legacy mess from before multiarch fixed it all | 16:40 |
| sladen | Niraj_: could you stick the result of sudo apt-get install sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev:i386 into a pastebin | 16:41 |
| ESphynx | right. but somehow either it's required or I carried it on from that mess :P | 16:41 |
| sladen | ESphynx: I think it's a leftover. However it would be good to check with Broonie | 16:42 |
| ESphynx | I'm working on native 64 bit support in Ecere now :P Should be there in time for the Raring feature freeze :P | 16:42 |
| Niraj_ | I've already installed zlib-386-dev | 16:43 |
| Niraj_ | will see if can get anything which removes large no of other pkgs | 16:43 |
| Niraj_ | I had one which even removed gcc | 16:43 |
| Niraj_ | :D | 16:43 |
| sladen | Niraj_: so, did we get anywhere with a pastebin? | 16:44 |
| Niraj_ | its actually installed and done the damage | 16:45 |
| Niraj_ | is it possible to revert the actions? | 16:45 |
| ESphynx | Niraj_: I think it's fine... when you install the 64bit version of zlib, it's going to fix everything | 16:46 |
| ESphynx | it's just you can only have either the 32 or 64 bit version of some libraries symlinks at one time | 16:46 |
| ESphynx | but that's only for dev purposes... the real runtime library is still there | 16:46 |
| ESphynx | (again I don't understand the logic behind this... I thoguht you could have /usr/lib/i386-gnu-linux/libz.so and /usr/lib/x86_64-gnu-linux/libz.so JUST FINE | 16:47 |
| sladen | yes, and then a crossplatform header | 16:48 |
| sladen | and documentation | 16:48 |
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| Niraj_ | still it leaves a doubt why gcc was removed | 16:49 |
| * sladen too | 16:49 | |
| sladen | so, what's a pastebin of sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev:am64 ? | 16:49 |
| Niraj_ | and gcc symlink also did not exist | 16:49 |
| ESphynx | Niraj_: I don't think gcc was removed? | 16:49 |
| ESphynx | gcc --version ? | 16:50 |
| Niraj_ | 4.6 | 16:50 |
| Niraj_ | it was | 16:50 |
| ESphynx | no longer there? | 16:50 |
| Niraj_ | pretty sure | 16:50 |
| Niraj_ | reinstalled | 16:50 |
| Niraj_ | didn't give any conflict though | 16:50 |
| sladen | so likely something else | 16:50 |
| sladen | ESphynx: anyway, so out of interest, why is it currently 32-bit? | 16:51 |
| sladen | ESphynx: is it a check that is being made | 16:51 |
| sladen | ESphynx: or is there some reason it won't compile on amd64? | 16:51 |
| ESphynx | sladen: because I'm not finished with my work on 64 bit support | 16:51 |
| ESphynx | it's mainly about the compiler support for 64 bit | 16:52 |
| sladen | ah, so ecere contains a compliler, and it is that compiler that was the lacking support | 16:56 |
| Niraj_ | sladen: this is a bit interesting | 16:56 |
| Niraj_ | installing libpng-386-dev | 16:56 |
| Niraj_ | removes libfontconfig-dev | 16:56 |
| Niraj_ | libfreetype6-dev | 16:56 |
| Niraj_ | and libpng-dev | 16:57 |
| ESphynx | sladen yes, well the compiler and the runtime library as well... but since it's written in eC, I have to fix the eC compiler first :P | 16:57 |
| ESphynx | making good progress btw, I got Hello world running :P | 16:57 |
| sladen | libpng-dev:i386 ? or libpng-386-dev (I can't find any references to the latter) | 16:57 |
| Niraj_ | :i386 | 16:58 |
| Niraj_ | sry for wrong names | 16:58 |
| sladen | riiight | 16:58 |
| sladen | okay, so installing libpng-dev of one arch is causing something much lower of the other arch to be uninstalled | 17:00 |
| ESphynx | yes it does. it's quite annoying. | 17:01 |
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| Niraj_ | sometimes upto gcc | 17:02 |
| Niraj_ | :) | 17:02 |
| Niraj_ | I guess it was libjpeg for 386 | 17:02 |
| * sladen tries sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends libjpeg-dev:i386 but doesn't see any removals offered | 17:04 | |
| Niraj_ | maybe a stupid question, but does it somehow differ distrowise? I am on oneiric | 17:06 |
| * sladen on 12.04.1 LTS (precise) | 17:07 | |
| ESphynx | Niraj_ it surely does | 17:08 |
| sladen | IIRC, 12.04 is when the Multiarch stuff got to the point of working | 17:08 |
| sladen | so multiarch/crossbuilding before then is likely to be painful | 17:08 |
| ESphynx | sladen: I actually found it more painful after it was 'fixed' :P | 17:09 |
| sladen | ESphynx: I think this applies to alot of stuff; ACPI, UEFI, ... but there are two choices, make it work, or ignore it. After a while it becomes hard to eg. boot a new machine without ACPI; or soon-to-be, UEFI | 17:11 |
| ESphynx | hehe yes :P | 17:12 |
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| Niraj_ | one unrelated question, but has anyone filed a bug relating to playing song on movie player leads to improper shutdown? | 17:13 |
| Niraj_ | thanks sladen and ESphynx, all 386 working fine now | 17:25 |
| Niraj_ | ecere building for me | 17:26 |
| kyleN | Hi folks. I just noticed that the fossology package stopped being available in universe as of quantal. | 18:22 |
| kyleN | I use the fossology package so this is a loss. is there a way to get this picked up again? | 18:23 |
| micahg | Deleted in quantal-release (Reason: (From Debian) RoQA; unmaintained, RC buggy; Debian bug #6...) | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Error: Debian bug 6 could not be found | 18:25 |
| micahg | kyleN: You can certainly pick it up, I see there's a new upstream release, it needs someone to maintain it though | 18:27 |
| micahg | kyleN: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#Packaging | 18:27 |
| kyleN | micahg, short of my becoming a motu and etc, is there a more standard/quicker way? this package was always present in the past and now is not. | 18:32 |
| micahg | kyleN: no need to become a MOTU, there's Debian mentors to sponsor stuff for people who can't upload, but there needs to be someone who's interested in maintaining the package going forward, ideally through Debian | 18:33 |
| kyleN | micahg, so asking innocently, who used to handle this pkg and what happened to that person? :) | 18:34 |
| micahg | kyleN: they became inactive in Debian, and the package was subsequently orphaned and removed since no one cared to maintain it | 18:35 |
| kyleN | ah :) | 18:35 |
| micahg | it looks interesting | 18:36 |
| * micahg wonders why we don't use it for something like lintian checks | 18:36 | |
| kyleN | i use it to scan debian/copyright files to find asserted licenses, and fall back to a dep5 parser for dep5 formatted copyright files | 18:37 |
| kyleN | my getlicenses package is a front end for all that: https://launchpad.net/~getlicenses-team/+archive/ppa | 18:38 |
| kyleN | micahg, thx for the info. I'll consider next steps. | 18:39 |
| micahg | kyleN: we're happy to help with questions here as well | 18:41 |
| kyleN | ack | 18:41 |
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