[00:07] <third> i tried #ubuntu but no one would help. hello anyone else have any ideas on no audio with ubuntu 12.04.1 on a gateway 3522gz
[00:13] <third> hello
[03:27] <solarcloud> One of those; Can't sleep. Won't sleep: thingy-ma-bobs.
[03:49] <solarcloud> Funny thing just happened, my desktop just froze up after hibernating and wouldn't restart. Ahhh Ubuntu you're a fiesty minx tonite.
[04:04] <solarcloud> Just bought probably the cheapest 17 inch laptop I'll ever get these days .. Anyone see any problems with it ??
[04:04] <solarcloud> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160968205895
[06:08] <tix> lawl hi england
[06:08] <tix> i heard you guys don't like guns
[08:44] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:45] <brobostigon> good morning eveeyone.
[08:46] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[08:56] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[09:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:04] <popey> bah!
[09:09] <czajkowski> good day to you too mr popey
[09:13] <popey> stupid tweetdeck no longer works in chromium
[09:14] <popey> only supports chrome
[09:20] <mungbean> oh :-|
[09:20] <mungbean> wonder why that is
[09:21] <czajkowski> popey: oh am running it today
[09:21] <czajkowski> what version
[09:21] <czajkowski> so I don't upgrade
[09:21] <czajkowski> Version 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.10 (24.0.1312.56-0ubuntu0.12.10.3)
[09:23] <popey> thats what I'm running
[09:23] <czajkowski> hmm odd
[09:23] <czajkowski> have tweetdeck open and running and it's updating with tweets
[09:37] <Laney> dear pandaboard. you suck: http://home.orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/
[09:37] <czajkowski> Dear laney, leave sad pandaboard alove ,no love panda
[09:38] <DJones> Morning all
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[09:44] <popey> Laney: what's up with that?
[09:44] <popey> oh, big gap
[09:44] <Laney> it just crashes
[09:45] <popey> erk
[09:45] <Laney> anyone got nagios that they want to set up to text me when that url stops working? :D
[09:45] <popey> you could repurpose the script I used for seeing if nexus 4 was in stock ☺
[09:46] <popey> https://github.com/bilalakhtar/NexusNotifier
[09:46] <Laney> heh
[09:46] <popey> (which worked perfectly)
[09:50] <BigRedS> common way to get free SMSs with *some* lag is to use the google calendar API
[09:51] <Laney> your appointment to power cycle your pandaboard is now
[09:56] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[10:17] <BigRedS> Can I get ~250GB of SSD for ~£100?
[10:18] <BigRedS> if so, anyone got any suggests of where I can get one?
[10:18] <popey> is 240GB okay?
[10:18] <popey> thats the round number they do
[10:18] <popey> and no, about 125 is going rate for low end 240GB SSD
[10:19] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/396877-ocz-240gb-vertex-plus-r2-ssd-vtxplr2-25sat2-240g
[10:19] <popey> still better than spinning rust
[10:19] <BigRedS> yeah, that'll do. I've got used to all this space on my laptopm but I'm also really bored of dropping it and killing disks
[10:19] <popey> what laptop out of interest?
[10:19] <BigRedS> my Thinkpad X201
[10:19] <popey> i have two SSDs in my x220
[10:20] <popey> you may be able to fit one in yours
[10:20] <BigRedS> Oooh, where's the second one?
[10:20] <popey> in the slot where the 3g modem goes
[10:20] <popey> dunno if thats an option on the 201
[10:20] <BigRedS> hmm, I've got to take it apart to reglue the case together, so I'll see if there's a suitable-looking space :)
[10:21] <BigRedS> what have you plugged it into?
[10:21] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT256M4SSD3-256GB-mSATA-Internal/dp/B0085J17UA
[10:21] <popey> its one of them
[10:21] <popey> mSATA
[10:21] <popey> smaller capacities at lower prices are available
[10:22] <BigRedS> ahhh
[10:23] <BigRedS> apparently x220 was the first to get msata :(
[10:24] <popey> bummer ☹
[10:24] <BigRedS> yeah. 240GB's okay though, just need to explain to work why buying one SSD now makes more sense than repeatedly RMAing my disks...
[10:25] <AlanBell> buying an SSD always makes sense
[10:25]  * popey touches copious amounts of wood before saying...
[10:25] <popey> "I've never had an SSD fail yet"
[10:26] <dwatkins> I wonder what the sweet spot is at the moment for price vs capacity with SSDs versus spinning rust
[10:26] <BigRedS> yeah, but we've huge stoock of spinning rust disks so they like using those
[10:26] <popey> and I have 6 of them
[10:26] <dwatkins> I know someone who says he's never had a disk fail, he's been lucky, and migrates to a new disk within a couple years for all his data.
[10:28] <BigRedS> Ah, I tend to do it the other way around. I finally get round to upgrading to a bigger disk when the current one fails
[10:29] <dwatkins> I'm just about to buy a NAS, probably a DS-413j
[10:29] <dwatkins> I'll populate it with two mirrored 3 TB disks at first, then buy another couple later on to make a 16 TB filesystem.
[10:29] <dwatkins> correction, 9 TB (RAID 5)
[10:30] <dwatkins> 16 TB is the absolute (unprotected) maximum capacity of the device with incredibly expensive 4 TB disks.
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: can you join #wolveslug for a bit save repeating everything
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: done, bit quiet though
[11:07] <davmor2> always is
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: was there a reason you wanted me to join?
[11:12] <davmor2> now you know sorry wifey got back from the docs and was just filling me in :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> :)
[11:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: popey: so Virginmedia has been bought for 23.3 billion by us based liberty global
[11:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: is this a good or bad thing?
[11:32] <davmor2> seems like mr Branson is selling lots at the minute,  49% of virgin atlantic, virgin media, I think it is all to fund virgin galatic
[11:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: pass by it'll be worth keeping an eye on once it goes through
[11:34] <dwatkins> interesting stuff, davmor2 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/06/virgin-media-takeover-john-malone-liberty-global
[11:35] <davmor2> s/by/but
[11:38] <mungbean> branson didn't own virgin media did he? i thought it was a branding exercise by ntl/telewest
[11:40] <davmor2> mungbean: no ntl and telewest started to merge then got bought by the virgin group once it had merged
[11:40] <mungbean> they bought the whole thing?
[11:41] <mungbean> they are in my top 3 companies not to deal with
[11:41] <mungbean> scummers
[11:41] <davmor2> mungbean: Yeap, that's why all the telewest owned channels had to be renamed
[11:41] <mungbean> (terrible customer service, stealing money from me and threatening bailiffs etc, poor service that they never fixed, refusal to support linux, refusal to allow me to record calls)
[11:41] <davmor2> as their licence to broadcast moved over to virgin
[11:43] <daubers> mungbean: I had that same experience with VM
[11:44] <daubers> Got the ever immmortal line of, after asking for them to return a couple of hundred quid they took from my account they weren't due, thatthey couldn't refund it "because we're not a bank"
[11:44] <davmor2> mungbean: you must of been really unlucky, I've had great service once I figured out how to bypass the indian call center
[11:45] <mungbean> i had an old cable london connection and the engineer said i could never have digital on it since the qualty was so poor, and my broadband only worked during school hours, dropped 30% ping in weekend and evenings
[11:46] <mungbean> they refused to do anything about it
[11:46] <dwatkins> davmor2: how did you bypass them?
[11:46] <mungbean> so i had to cancel the service
[11:46] <mungbean> then i sold the house to my sister and she had VM due to existing contract and soon got rid of it
[11:46] <Lunix> Hi all :) I have a little problem with a software that doesn't work anymore since 12.10, anyone to help ? :$
[11:46] <dwatkins> mungbean: I live in a 120 year old building and use my telephone line for 12 MBit internets, I'd be switching providers if anyone told me that
[11:47] <mungbean> they kept saying the box outside was overloaded and they would switch me to a less loaded box, but in reality they oversold the service
[11:48] <mungbean> and was popular in my area which was densely populated
[11:48] <davmor2> dwatkins: ring the disconnect line and say are you the english call center.  Oh great I've been messed around by the indian call center too many times to deal with them now, then tell them your issue
[11:48] <mungbean> so nobody got a decent service
[11:48] <dwatkins> davmor2: cunning, personally I think that having call centres in other countries is a false economy
[11:48] <dwatkins> you end up with annoyed customers which costs more in terms of reputation etc.
[11:50] <davmor2> dwatkins: I agree, plus they get proper training in the uk and just follow the script in india
[11:50] <mungbean> i have a recorded phone call with them when they told me to disable antivirus, i said, "no i've enabled ping on my router, there is no machine attached and i still get 30% packet loss =56k modem speed". they said, "sir please disable your AV.". i got annoyed and said this is nothing to do with antivirus, i don't even run windows anyway, i run linux. then they said , sir we cannot support that, goodbye
[11:51] <Lunix> Am I the only one for who Logkeys doesn't log anymore since Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[11:51] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, I suspect some of the issues are cultural, both in terms of the differences between language use and the different ways people approach a problem, having someone in the same country or one close by makes it more likely you will be understood in many ways.
[11:52] <dwatkins> mungbean: yeah, I've heard worse - PC World refusing to replace a laptop with a broken hinge because Linux was installed
[11:53] <davmor2> dwatkins: it also helps if you point out that you are a hardware technician and well as a QA software engineer so you know it is an issue there end as your home network is working fine :)
[11:54] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, although they sometimes carry on with their script because the assumption is that anyone could say they know what they are doing and may or may not be right, sadly.
[11:54] <shauno> far too often, it's an accurate assumption
[11:55] <directhex> coo, steam's now showing 50 of my games as linux games
[11:55] <dwatkins> I tend to complain to companies via twitter, e.g. @BTCare - they tend to get someone in the callcentre in Ireland to call me back
[11:55] <dwatkins> directhex: yeah, I've noticed a huge improvement in the last couple days in that :D
[11:55]  * dwatkins was very happy to play half-life on Linux recently
[11:55] <davmor2> dwatkins: see that's another one, I go into pc world and tell them straight what I want an what I am going to do with it, they say you know you can't return it if there is a problem, to which I say yes I can but to be honest the 1 year warranty is with the manufacturer and not you any how so I don't really care
[11:56] <Azelphur> I've been playing uplink for the first time recently
[11:56] <directhex> dwatkins, Counter-Strike: Source was uploaded last night
[11:56] <directhex> also Psychonauts and Closure
[11:56] <dwatkins> davmor2: your mistake there was going in to PC World ;)
[11:56] <dwatkins> directhex: ooh, the source one too, excellent
[11:57] <davmor2> dwatkins: sometimes in the sale it is the best place to go, everyone was selling my new work laptop at £900-1000 pc world sale £850
[11:58] <dwatkins> yeah, I sometimes go to PC World for things which are cheap enough that I can take the hit if it breaks and they refuse to replace it.
[11:58] <dwatkins> I tend to buy certain things form John Lewis as they're much better at warranties.
[11:58] <shauno> I noticed a side effect of getting old and boring, is that I'd rather pay 900 instead of 850 if I trust the vendor isn't going to treat me like a leper
[11:59] <mungbean> can't remember my steam login :(
[11:59] <mungbean> dwatkins: still waiting for my price match reply ...
[12:00] <daubers> oooooh psychonauts
[12:00] <ali1234> directhex: did that bug in psychonauts ever get fixed? i've been holding off playing it cos of that
[12:00] <daubers> wonder if my new pc can run that
[12:01] <directhex> ali1234, haven't checked
[12:05] <ali1234> looks like no
[12:11] <mungbean> anyone tried amazon glacier storage?
[12:11] <mungbean> for backups
[12:15] <mungbean> what does steam client install do? it's taken over 10 mins so far
[12:15] <mungbean> "applying changes"
[12:26] <marsilainen> hi all, I've just upgraded a 10.04 server to 12.04 and I'm having a few issues with postfix - I'm getting mail delivered coming from local services, but mail coming in from remote servers are getting 'deferred'
[12:28] <marsilainen> in the mail.log I get messages like this when an incoming mail arrives: status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:11124: Connection refused)
[12:29] <marsilainen> I think this might be related to an 'lmtp' line in my postfix master.cf - if I disable that line then I get a different message but I'm not sure
[12:29] <zleap> normally when you upgrade stuff it asks if you want to keep previous configurtion
[12:29] <marsilainen> any ideas how to debug this?
[12:29] <zleap> configuration
[12:30] <zleap> maybe just try it,k and see what happens
[12:30] <zleap> you then rule things out one by one
[12:30] <marsilainen> zleap: yes, I got a bunch of those during the install - generally I kept the old configuration, but I can't remember specifically for this
[12:30] <marsilainen> try what?
[12:30] <zleap> oj you tried disablling a line in the master.cf sorry
[12:31] <directhex> sounds like a master.cf issue to me
[12:32] <marsilainen> if I disable lmtp in master.cf then the message changes to: status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
[12:32] <marsilainen> not sure where to go from here really
[12:32] <marsilainen> agree it sounds like a master.cf issue of some sort, I'm just not too familiar with postfix config to know what to try next...
[12:33] <marsilainen> here is my master.cf: http://pastebin.com/0fCL0GR2
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, I fancy something different for lunch today. Any good suggestions?
[12:34] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, lebanese!
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice idea, but I don't think there is one in Farnham.
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> And Beirut (albeit a totally awesome place) is rather far to nip out for a snack.
[12:36] <directhex> FISH AND CHIPS THEN >8\/
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> yawn. having that for dinner :-(
[12:38] <marsilainen> ok, I've fixed it
[12:38] <marsilainen> I'm not sure exactly what I did yet
[12:38] <marsilainen> but it's receiving mail again now
[12:38] <marsilainen> will have to try re-enabling things
[12:48] <directhex> http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/02/motorhead-releases-bag-in-box-shiraz/
[12:53] <ali1234> hahaha i know what i'm getting my brother next christmas
[12:57] <bigcalm> Any recommendations for an opensource alternative to DropBox that will: 1. hosted by our company, 2. have Windows and Linux clients, 3. integrate with the client OS
[12:58] <czajkowski> ubuntuone :)
[12:58] <directhex> ubuntuone is hosted by canonical
[12:58] <BigRedS> bigcalm: sparkleshare
[12:58] <directhex> so fails 1
[12:58] <bigcalm> czajkowski: and that's using our own storage?
[12:58] <BigRedS> It's git based
[12:58] <czajkowski> could buy storage
[12:59] <BigRedS> which I still think is an odd choice but I can't argue with the fact that it works
[12:59] <directhex> sparkleshare is okay, although not great for binary files, due to git bloating on binary files
[12:59] <BigRedS> yeah, I was just typing a long caveat to that effect :)
[12:59] <bigcalm> :)
[13:00] <BigRedS> I'm using it with a bunch of images (photos, not filesystems) and general documents and it seems fine, though
[13:00] <BigRedS> Also it's less good with huge numbers of files and lots of changes. But the person who told me that hasn't found anything else that he reckons is good, too
[13:00] <bigcalm> BigRedS: how about xls, doc, sqlite3 dbs?
[13:00] <directhex> it's actually much better with that scenario than others
[13:01] <directhex> e.g. owncloud doesn't scale at all with files, whereas sparkleshare does if you run an announce server
[13:01] <bigcalm> PDFs as well
[13:01] <directhex> there are essentially two problems with the whole idea
[13:02] <directhex> 1) detecting changed files locally, quickly
[13:02] <BigRedS> bigcalm: my ~/Documents is sparkleshared and I've not noticed any problems. Bunch of PDFs, od* etc. but only a few tens
[13:02] <directhex> 2) detecting changed files remotely, quickly
[13:02] <directhex> owncloud fails miserably at both
[13:03] <directhex> sparkleshare does well at both
[13:03] <bigcalm> directhex: looks like I'll be recommending sparkleshare as a possibility then
[13:04] <directhex> bigcalm, other than the previously mentioned git-related caveats
[13:04] <directhex> sparkleshare does *not* do any kind of fine-grained access control, as it's just git. and standard git bloats up with binary formats, as it stores a copy of every version of a file ever locally, for binaries, not just changes
[13:05] <directhex> sparkleshare has no solution to the latter (yet). the former, you might get away with if you manage your git server with gitano
[13:05] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep meaning to cron a job to clean out the history from my Documents repo
[13:06] <bigcalm> I knew that would be a problem generally with bins. Showing my ignorance, are pdf xls doc etc treated as binary?
[13:06] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:06] <bigcalm> Ok
[13:07] <bigcalm> Well, locally hosted on a RAID1 of a couple of 1 TB drives might be able to cope with that
[13:07] <directhex> xlsx, docx, odt, etc, are zip
[13:08]  * awilkins thinks diabolical thoughts about bypassing the email attachment stripping system which doesn't like ZIP much
[13:08]  * awilkins notes that it passes MS Office documents JUST FINE
[13:09] <bigcalm> awilkins: rename .zip files to .docx?
[13:10] <awilkins> Yeah, that would probably work
[13:10] <awilkins> It looks through the innards for executable files on ZIP
[13:10] <bigcalm> I assume that that it does more than just look at the extension. Reading the head of the file usually is more relyable
[13:10] <awilkins> And refuses to pass encrypted ones because of that thing the trojan writers did for a while
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, Assuming that a corporate email system and the decisions of those running it makes any sense is interesting
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, For a long while you could get past the filter on .exe by renaming it .sexy
[13:11] <awilkins> Not sure if that still works
[13:12] <awilkins> Our instant messaging client blocks file sends
[13:12] <awilkins> And by the client, I mean the client.
[13:12] <BigRedS> haha#
[13:12] <awilkins> You connect a Linux client to the server and either end can send files with no trouble at all
[13:13] <dwatkins> we have a mail filter that holds messages with certain attachments in a separate mailbox
[13:13] <awilkins> And all linked to the bone-headed design of Windows to base file executable flag on filename
[13:13] <dwatkins> you get a mail telling you to log in and decide if you want a particular mail delivered, whitelist users etc.
[13:13] <dwatkins> I think it's provided by Postini.
[13:13] <awilkins> dwatkins, I wish ours was that sensible, it just removes the attachment and says NOOOOOO
[13:14] <dwatkins> awilkins: yeah, sounds troublesome if no-one's notified at either end
[13:14] <dwatkins> just use DCC ;)
[13:14] <awilkins> Hah, they have a real problem with "non-auditable communication"
[13:14] <dwatkins> in my last job we used IRC internally within support and engineering to great effect
[13:14] <dwatkins> IRC can be logged on the server, can't it?
[13:14] <awilkins> To which I say " am I now banned from making phone calls and having conversations at desks"
[13:15] <dwatkins> phone calls can be recorded
[13:15] <awilkins> Not my private phone
[13:15] <dwatkins> many years ago the CEO of an online commerce company which I worked for made the IT manager have every incoming e-mail copied to one gigantic inbox.
[13:15] <awilkins> But the Cisco IP phones we use, very definitely
[13:15] <awilkins> Would love to use IRC
[13:16] <dwatkins> they couldn't do this for outgoing mail, but it's easily set for incoming mail on MS Exchange
[13:16]  * dwatkins puts the space in carefully
[13:16] <awilkins> The IM server drops connection every so often
[13:16] <awilkins> And unsent messages are not queued awaiting ACKs
[13:16] <awilkins> The client just goes "DERP didn't send message because (obscure error code)"
[13:16] <dwatkins> can you just start using IRC until it becomes the defacto standard? ;)
[13:16] <awilkins> Alas, no
[13:17] <awilkins> Microsoft Office Communication Server (renamed to something cooler now I think)
[13:17] <dwatkins> shame; I had much success with it in my previous existence
[13:17] <dwatkins> oh that, yeah
[13:17] <dwatkins> we use Jabber internally here
[13:17] <awilkins> Not enough techies in this enterprise
[13:17] <awilkins> Yeah, I set up a Jabber server once
[13:17] <awilkins> I think it took me 20 mins and most of that was reading man pages
[13:18] <jussi> jeah, jabber here also
[13:18] <dwatkins> iirc Jabber is the same protocol which gtalk uses
[13:18] <BigRedS> jabber here
[13:18] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:18] <BigRedS> I've realised in the past few weeks that all my IM is Jabber
[13:18] <BigRedS> Facebook chat is Jabber, too
[13:18] <awilkins> Still have an MSN account but rarely chat across it
[13:18] <awilkins> Or read the email box
[13:18] <dwatkins> I set bitlbee up to connect to facebook, gtalk and MSN, then realised I only use IRC ;)
[13:19] <BigRedS> yeah, I've still got it, and I've found that I don't care enough to stop using Gajim so I can use MSN again
[13:19] <awilkins> I use XChat because Empathy doesn't do IRC well
[13:20] <BigRedS> dwatkins: I keep meaning to use bitlbee, but it's harder to get notifications when the chats are turning up in irssi on a remote ssh host :)
[13:21] <dwatkins> BigRedS: if you have a linux box you can probably setup fnotify for that
[13:22] <dwatkins> ...or growl
[13:23] <BigRedS> yeah, it's all linux
[13:24] <BigRedS> I looked into it briefly, but notifications are iffy enough with desktop apps that I'm not sure I'd trust something of my own concoction
[13:25] <dwatkins> I used fnotify, this page describes the kind of thing you can do, but I agree it's fraught with dangers: http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Irssi_gui_notify
[13:26] <dwatkins> sorry, wrong link, this was what I setup, BigRedS - http://thorstenl.blogspot.ie/2007/01/thls-irssi-notification-script.html
[13:26] <BigRedS> oooh, ta
[13:26] <BigRedS> might revisit that :)
[13:26] <dwatkins> if you have ssh access to the machine running irssi (which I guess you will if you're connecting to a screen session) it should work reasonably well, assuming you don't need to watch the bandwidth.
[13:27] <BigRedS> nah, I work in the same DC as the server's in
[13:27] <dwatkins> nice
[13:27] <BigRedS> bandwidth is pretty good :)
[13:27] <dwatkins> just be aware any hilighted text setup in /hilight will create a pop-up
[13:28] <Daviey> dwatkins: that was good in 2007... but 2013?  tailing a log file over ssh?
[13:28]  * BigRedS wonders what has changed in the meantime to stop that working
[13:28] <dwatkins> Daviey: I think I'm still using the same linux version as I was in 2007 ;)
[13:29] <Daviey> BigRedS: Nothing. carry on.
[13:29] <Daviey> Just that you should be able to do this stuff with more grace now.
[13:29] <dwatkins> it should only send a single line of text via ssh if there's a hilight, I get far more activity on many IRC channels
[13:30] <BigRedS> Daviey: that's a nice thought, but rarely true :)
[13:30] <dwatkins> you could probably code some kind of socket-based application to do this, but the functionality is all there in the shell with ssh
[13:32] <Daviey> I experimented with using XMPP
[13:36]  * xnox no longer can use the excuse "i run linux" to escape the gamers *sigh*
[13:37] <awilkins> The downside to Steam on Linux is not I don't have to reboot to Windows to play a game. Another threat to productivity *sigh*
[13:37] <Daviey> Yeah, linux is far too mainstream now.  I'm switching to the Hurd.
[13:37] <awilkins> I think the only thing that runs on Hurd is CoreWar
[13:44] <xnox> Well, kfreebsd is sort of non-mainstream
[13:48] <BigRedS> yeah, but surely that wrecks productivity by requiring fixing?
[13:48] <brobostigon> suggestion, eeepc 900 plugged in, has power, press power button nothing, no power lights, shutdown fine a few hours ago.
[13:54] <kvarley> brobostigon: Can you hard reset it?
[13:54] <brobostigon> kvarley: how?
[13:54] <kvarley> brobostigon: Some laptops have a mode that resets the bios and other stuff on boot. I think some of them just make you hold the power button down for ages, others use key combos
[13:55] <brobostigon> kvarley: i see.
[14:04] <brobostigon> kvarley: i am getting no results for a hard reset, all presume a running systems that gets to the bios.
[14:04] <kvarley> brobostigon: hmhm sounds like hardware failure then
[14:04] <kvarley> brobostigon: Can you take the battery out and boot it just from the charger?
[14:05] <brobostigon> kvarley: that was the next thing on my list.
[14:10] <brobostigon> kvarley: i just pulled the bettery and the charger, hit the bios reset, on the bottom, put the battery and charger back in, no mouse, and it booted. very weird.
[14:11] <kvarley> heh
[14:11] <kvarley> brobostigon: at least it works :)
[14:11]  * kvarley just bought CS:Source ... yey for steam releases :)
[14:11] <brobostigon> kvarley: yes, but why that helped, is strange.
[14:18] <czajkowski> /c/c
[14:23] <kvarley> Just realised something, if Valve's Steambox will be running Linux I wonder how much pressure Valve will put on publishers of big AAA titles to release Linux ports?
[14:25] <AlanBell> wonder what display server it will use
[14:25] <AlanBell> X or Weyland or something else
[14:26] <kvarley> AlanBell: Hehe
[14:26] <kvarley> AlanBell: Do you need X or Wayland to run opengl?
[14:26] <AlanBell> dunno really
[14:27] <kvarley> Well, the answer may be neither then :P
[14:27] <kvarley> Could just boot Steam fullscreen rendering via opengl
[14:31] <amayer_> kvarley: is CSS avaliable on linux?
[14:31] <amayer_> I already own it. i wonder if i can play on linux
[14:31] <kvarley> amayer_: Yes & yes you can
[14:32] <amayer_> Thats awesome!
[14:34] <SuperMatt> huh, don't know why I didn't think of this before: ln -s ~/.config/google-chrome ~/.config/chromium
[14:42] <awilkins> AFAIK a lot of the performance increase in the new nvidia drivers is getting Compiz out of the way of fullscreen OpenGL
[14:43] <awilkins> Whatever display server gets used, I think fullscreen OpenGL will just be "special local magic"
[14:43] <popey> nah
[14:43] <popey> thats separate
[14:43] <popey> we implemented unredirected windows for compiz a little while ago]
[14:44] <awilkins> I liked the look of those little computers they had as Steamboxes
[14:44] <awilkins> Shame they're so expensive
[14:44] <awilkins> But I'm really keen to root a Steambox and make it into an HTPC now :-)
[14:44] <awilkins> Console subsidy 4tw
[16:07] <mungbean> steam seems a bit buggy on my machine,. and thats just logging in
[16:13] <brobostigon> are there any purely terminal clients, to connect to a l2tp/ipsec server ?
[16:15] <mungbean> freeswan/openswan brobostigon
[16:15] <brobostigon> mungbean: ah, thank you, i have heard of openswan, freeswan is new to me,
[16:17] <mungbean> one is a fork of the other
[16:17] <mungbean> never remember which one
[16:17] <mungbean> use the correct one only :)
[16:17] <brobostigon> :)
[16:18] <mungbean> i've redeemed my humble bundles on steam , but certain linux games don't appear (super meat boy etc) - anyone know why?
[16:29] <BigRedS> is there an amd64 deb for steam?
[16:29] <BigRedS> mungbean: I had that with TF2 for a while. One day it just appeared, so I can't really be that useful...
[16:30] <popey> BigRedS: no
[16:30] <popey> its 32-bit only
[16:30] <mungbean> i tried going to all games and choosing the game to install
[16:31] <mungbean> says not available for your system
[16:31] <popey> mungbean: ask directhex he knows and has a post all about it
[16:31] <mungbean> popey: so only 17 of my 42 games work :S
[16:31] <mungbean> i have certianly run them on 64bit
[16:31] <mungbean> i will look for directhex
[16:31] <mungbean> post
 i've redeemed my humble bundles on steam , but certain linux games don't appear (super meat boy etc) - anyone know why? <-- because a build needs to be uploaded to steam by the developer. many haven't.
[16:32] <BigRedS> popey: Oh. How very 1990s
[16:33] <mungbean> thanks chaps
[16:33] <mungbean> doesn't sound like it will happen?
[16:57] <Azelphur> popey: do you know of any tool that allows me to live stream my desktop?
[16:58] <mungbean> to many users ?
[16:59] <Azelphur> yea, via a service like ustream.tv, twitch.tv, whatever
[16:59] <mungbean> vlc does it i think?
[16:59] <Azelphur> (inb4 jtvlc, it doesn't work and has been unmaintained since 2009)
[16:59] <Azelphur> vlc can do the capture, but i need to send it somewhere.
[17:00] <popey> no
[17:00] <Azelphur> what was that tool you always rant about for screen recording? perhaps that does it
[17:01] <popey> it doesnt
[17:01] <popey> kazam
[17:01] <Azelphur> aww
[17:01] <popey> is this for many viewers or one?
[17:01] <popey> or for recording
[17:01] <Azelphur> for a few viewers
[17:01] <popey> google hangout?
[17:01] <AlanBell> VLC could do it
[17:01] <Azelphur> can google hangout grab screen:// ?
[17:01] <popey> yes
[17:02] <Azelphur> oO
[17:02] <Azelphur> I'll try it
[17:02] <popey> well, your desktop
[17:02] <popey> dunno about that specific name
[17:03]  * AlanBell did not know hangouts did screensharing
[17:04] <popey> we use them at work for demoing stuff
[17:04] <popey> also skype
[17:04] <popey> and chrome
[17:04] <AlanBell> so it does
[17:04] <popey> they can all do this
[17:04] <Azelphur> yep, this is cool
[17:07] <ali1234> meeanwhile in open source land we still can't get glitch free audio to work properly
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Oh?
[17:08] <solarcloud> daftykins: I tried to buy a laptop last night, & I've just got back home, and they ell me they don't post to any dependencies because they have to pay customs money .. Does that sound ridiculous to you. ??
[17:08] <solarcloud> **they tell me ....
[17:09] <popey> "they" being?
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> the people who own the black helicopters
[17:09] <solarcloud> hangon .. it's just an ebay dealer , but what would you know popey ?
[17:10] <popey> ok, forget it, I'll go talk to my children.
[17:10] <solarcloud> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160968205895?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[17:11] <ali1234> popey: no need to have a huff, he just missed a word out
[17:11] <solarcloud> true.
[17:11]  * solarcloud gives popey the peace sign .. :)
[17:12] <daubers> Azelphur: Best to test if they support File:// from osx too.....
[17:15]  * solarcloud thnks popey is really 'hobes' the tiger without his fur on :D
[17:19] <solarcloud> AlanBell: must therefore be Calvin ....
[17:20] <solarcloud> but I'll stop being Silly now :)
[17:37] <marsilainen> anyone here good at apache rewrite rules?
[17:38] <marsilainen> struggling to do this... should be simple enough... I want any request such as http://myserver/dev/foo/bar to be rewritten to http://myserver/app_dev.php/foo/bar
[17:39] <Myrtti> oh man, your nickname throws me off guard :-D
[17:39]  * Myrtti hides underneath a table
[17:41] <marsilainen> :)
[17:49] <awilkins> marsilainen, Presume you are trying mod_rewrite
[17:51] <marsilainen> awilkins: yeah, been trying for the last half an hour :)
[17:51] <marsilainen> I always find this stuff frustrating for some reason
[17:51] <marsilainen> probably because I don't have to touch it that often
[17:53] <awilkins> Try
[17:55] <awilkins> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/dev
[17:56] <awilkins> RewriteRule ^/dev/(.*) /app_dev.php/$1
[17:57]  * awilkins goes out to get some dinner for his long suffering wifelet
[17:59] <marsilainen> no, that doesn't work I'm afraid
[17:59] <marsilainen> thanks anyway
[18:17] <solarcloud> What channel do I ask about hooking up printer drivers ?
[18:24] <Nick07> I need to know howto make my ubuntu 10.10 start and login without monitor
[19:06] <solarcloud> Come on guys, there's at least two queries in the last hour !!
[19:08] <popey> solarcloud: #ubuntu is the official support channel
[19:09] <popey> nick07 didn't stay longer than 90 seconds.
[19:09] <Azelphur> the old ask n run
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ha ha! Made you answer!
[19:10] <Azelphur> :p
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> +""
[19:10] <popey> hah
[19:11] <solarcloud> OK sorry peeps. solarcloud slaps his wrists  .. sorry Hobbes :)
[19:19] <tix> HELLO ENGLAND
[19:19] <tix> GREETINGS FROM AMERICA
[19:19] <tix> i heard you're afraid of gunz
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> tix: I heard you're afraid of healthcare
[19:19] <tix> i have healthcare
[19:19] <tix> as do the vast majority of americans
[19:19] <tix> the US has the best hospitals in the world, as well
[19:19] <tix> we just don't give people healthcare for free
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> !troll
[19:20] <tix> how am i a troll?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> you come into an Ubuntu-related channel shouting about "'MURRICA"
[19:21] <ali1234> lulz
[19:25] <ali1234> how do i get git-svn installed?
[19:27] <popey> git-svn - fast, scalable, distributed revision control system (svn interoperability)
[19:27] <popey> ?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: other than the obvious apt-get install git-svn? :)
[20:40] <ali1234> everyone complaining that a portal movie is a stupid idea because portal has no story, when half-life has no story either
[20:42] <ali1234> "freeman, go shoot loads of aliens and then press a button"
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: other way around
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> "Freeman, go press a button and then accidentally unleash an alien/inter-dimensional invasion"
[20:45]  * MartijnVdS just played that bit again :P
[21:44] <Azelphur> Are there any good USB fingerprint readers that work with Ubuntu?
[21:44] <Azelphur> for those of us who are too lazy to type a password ;)
[21:45] <popey> I've only ever used integrated ones
[21:45] <popey> check out the thinkfinger pages, they may say
[21:45] <Azelphur> yea most of the docs are about integrated ones, I'll check out thinkfinger
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: mine works with some binary magic
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in my Vaio
[21:47] <Azelphur> xD
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/fingerprint-gui
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> it's a "proprietary" plugin to libfprint
[21:48] <Azelphur> I noticed that too, bunch of USB:IDs won't be too useful to me ;)
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: why? lsusb will tell you the id
[21:49] <Azelphur> Because going out and buying a reader on the offchance that it's in that list seems like a bad idea? ;)
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> ah, yes.. you don't have the reader yet
[21:51] <Azelphur> don't think the thinkfinger site has a compatibility list
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: which one are you considering?
[21:51] <Azelphur> I'm not considering any specific reader
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TrueMe-Secure-Fingerprint-Reader-Software/dp/B006YG9MU8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360187516&sr=8-1
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> UPEK = should be in that list
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> (the fingerprint-gui list)
[21:53] <Azelphur> cool
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> but that means it requires the blobby plugin
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> some other readers don't
[21:53] <Azelphur> just to be ridiculously picky, I want a black one P
[21:53] <Azelphur> :P
[21:53] <popey> "Compatible with: Windows XP/Vista/7/CE, Linux, Mac OS, Snow, Lion
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fprint/libfprint/Supported%20devices
[21:54] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: aha, that will be useful
[21:55]  * MartijnVdS Zzz
[22:36] <daftykins> solarcloud: 'customs money' sounds like a bit of a joke yeah
[23:19] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: I'm going through a bit of an identity change atmo. as I've changed fro,m solarcloud (which is abit presumptuous) to redtape-renegade as this basically tells people what as opposed to who I am .. hope you like it.
[23:19] <daftykins> i see, i see
[23:20] <redtape-renegade> I think I'll wordpress it too .. hangon ...
[23:22] <redtape-renegade> yep it's available .. yippee !
[23:24] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: Sorry about that .. had to change the damn batteries for my chillout channel ... How's life in the channel ?
[23:25] <daftykins> i dunno i've been away for a day or two ^_^
[23:25] <daftykins> been doing some things at my new place
[23:25] <redtape-renegade> Really, sounds nice :)
[23:28] <redtape-renegade> I've had a b4tch of a 48 hours as my main desktop went down .. left using the netbook on the spare 19" monitor ..  oh dear me :(
[23:28] <daftykins> >_<
[23:28] <daftykins> what was up with it?
[23:28] <redtape-renegade> Still I've had more insights into setting up a workstation for my python coding workspace ...
[23:29] <redtape-renegade> Oh the main one , dunno .. computer says No after BIOS ?/
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> in fact it doesn't get past the motherboard screen at start  .. Ahhhrgh
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> Oh well back to the 1990's way on computing :)
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> **of
[23:31] <daftykins> 'No' ? :)
[23:31] <redtape-renegade> It says nothing .. just freezes .. at BIOS screen.
[23:32] <redtape-renegade> it is 4 years old though ..
[23:33]  * redtape-renegade shamefully admits to it being 'another' ebay bargain .. :-[
[23:34] <daftykins> O_O
[23:34] <daftykins> interesting
[23:34] <daftykins> a CMOS reset is always worth a go in those situations
[23:34] <daftykins> either locate the motherboard jumper, or just remove the mains cable from the PSU and remove the little CR2032 battery from the motherboard overnight
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> Anyway, I can't saved those that have been killed in action as they say .. so on with the somewhat minor GHz desktop to displayPort Dell monitor .. just need to find an 'adapter' of some sort .. [must resist ebaying this time :) ]
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. will do that tomorrow .. thanx.
[23:36] <redtape-renegade> the adapter will be from old type monitor dispay to display Port .. wait I'll google that one ... hangon ...
[23:38] <daftykins> to go from netbook -> displayport?
[23:38] <daftykins> what does the netbook have, VGA out only?
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> Yeah meant VGA . sorry . So infrequent I use the term , I forgot, sorry .. Anyway .. it's from desktop...
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-Mini-DisplayPort-VGA-Adapter/dp/B007WPKFVA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360194034&sr=8-4
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> Good 'ol' PNY .. do they ever fail to produce the goods ?
[23:43] <daftykins> that's going the wrong way around
[23:43] <redtape-renegade> oh yeah , your right .. what do i do now then ?
[23:43] <daftykins> well converting VGA to DP is likely gonna be a no go, or expensive
[23:44] <redtape-renegade> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-DisplayPort/dp/B005RISB3S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360194240&sr=8-4
[23:44] <redtape-renegade> do it ?
[23:44] <daftykins> again, that's going the wrong way :)
[23:45] <redtape-renegade> is it ?
[23:45] <daftykins> yeah read the bulletpoints
[23:46] <daftykins> i think you're out of luck on that one
[23:47] <redtape-renegade> no I think I am ok .. it goes like this ..
[23:50] <daftykins> you're going from analog to digital so there'd be some active conversion in there to do it
[23:58] <redtape-renegade> female VGA to VGA Male to Male DisplayPort Cable in Black - 2m (last link ) .. > Male Display port Cable to 'Female to Female' Diplay port adapter (that I already have [ http://goo.gl/4gG4Z ]) ...> Female display port adapter to male displayPort cable that is 'fixed' into Dell monitor .. And that's part of a series of conundrums I've solved under the 'redtape-renegade the soon-to-be-blog'. So you are unfortunately wrong. But good try :)
[23:59] <redtape-renegade> basically two lead and a Female to Female Coupler . but that's too easy to say it like that !!