[02:32] <etienne> Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
[02:33] <etienne> can't seem to find a way to do it...
[02:33] <etienne> Can somebody help me please
[02:36] <etienne> I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
[02:37] <etienne> Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:46] <bookpage> If a process has a user max stack size set, does it immediately get allocated the total amount of memory for its stack?
[02:47] <bookpage> i.e. if it had 10MB max stack size, then created 3 children, would they all have 10MB stacks too, and it would use 40MB of memory?
[02:48] <etienne> @bookpage I'm waiting for an answer for 10 minutes... Doesn't seem to have activity here at all...
[02:48] <etienne> maybe you can help me!
[02:48] <etienne> Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
 can't seem to find a way to do it...
 Can somebody help me please
 I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
 Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:52] <etienne> REPOST...PLEASE HELP!    Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
[02:52] <etienne> can't seem to find a way to do it...
[02:52] <etienne> Can somebody help me please
 I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
[02:52] <etienne>  Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:55] <etienne> So is there another channel or way to get help?
[02:56] <Unit193> etienne: It's generally not recommended to isntall stuff outside of the repo, but you can try #ubuntu
[02:57] <etienne> Thanks!
[03:12] <WeThePeople> anybody know how to fix a .ICEauthority file
[16:58] <albert_> I have an arch question but the arch room isn't working for me
[16:58] <albert_> and they just hate on me for being a nube when I ask questions anyway, so maybe here is better, if someone knows Arch
[17:00] <Unit193> Arch isn't supported here, no.
[17:01] <raub> Phryq: is it arch-specific or Linux in general?
[17:01] <Phryq> I don't know. I edited visudo the other day, and it broke my ability to run sudo
[17:01] <Phryq> or to 'su'
[17:02] <raub> That could be bad
[17:02] <Phryq> well, not exactly, only seems my ability to run the pacage manager as su - root is broken.
[17:02] <raub> But su should not be affected by sudo IMHO
[17:02] <Phryq> if I could edit visudo in the gui, then I think I can fix it
[17:03] <raub> Do it command line
[17:03] <Phryq> but being ultra nube, I only know how to type 'visudo' into a terminal, and don't really know how to edit it after doing that
[17:03] <raub> visudo is either running pico/nao or vi
[17:03] <raub> er nano
[17:03] <Phryq> (which is why I plan to switch to lubuntu after I fix this problem. I don't have time to learn Arch anymore).
[17:04] <Phryq> can I find visudo in a directory? like in Dolphin?
[17:04] <raub> the file visudo edit is called sudoers
[17:05] <raub> As in /etc/sudoers in both ubuntu and centos
[17:05] <Phryq> thanks
[17:05] <raub> But, root should not be affected by it AFAIK
[17:05] <Unit193> export EDITOR=nano   then do it, otherwise I'd recommend you looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo or maybe try ##linux ?
[17:06] <Phryq> I got into the Arch channel, but as usual they simply call me stupid for not knowing how to work linux. Don't know why Arch users are like that.
[17:06] <raub> Arch community expects people to know Linux well before using it
[17:07] <raub> Ubuntu likes to say it is Linux for the people
[17:07] <raub> so its community is more positive towards beginners
[17:08] <Phryq> ah. Ya, I think I should've started with Ubuntu in order to learn without being hated on. I think that Lubuntu is also relatively fast
[17:08] <raub> Also, ubuntu tends to work on whatever intel/amd-based box you are running out of the box
[17:09] <raub> Case in point: a girl I know has a X61 laptop. She spent like months trying to get it running properly on Windows 7 (tablet pressure stuff). Pen worked right from the get goin on ubuntu
[17:11] <Phryq> 12.10 is the newest, right?
[17:11] <raub> AFAIK, yeah
[17:12] <Phryq> ok, so I can't open sudoers without being root
[17:12] <raub> You will get it installed and up and running much faster than arch
[17:12] <Phryq> but when I open it in terminal I get errors
[17:12] <raub> That is to be expected. You need to be able to do su - and know the root pw
[17:13] <Phryq> well my arch is installed and running mostly, but I want to be able to run virtual machines, and instal some other things, and many things are a huge pain to do
[17:13] <raub> FYI, even on ubuntu you need to be nice to the sudoers file
[17:14] <Phryq> ya, I thought I was being careful but appreantly not. . .
[17:14] <Phryq> haha
[17:14] <raub> Happens with everyone
[17:15] <Phryq> ok, so from terminal, if I want to run sudoers file, I can't simply CD to the directory and type 'sudoers' right?
[17:15] <Phryq> I have to open a program? I tried opening Kwrite, but it gives me an error
[17:16] <raub> FYI, if you want to run virtual machines I would probably pick kvm(libvirt+qemu) or virtualbox. There is agood info on setting them up int he ubuntu wiki
[17:16] <raub> sudoers is a file. You would need an editor to look into it, like vi, nano, or whatever.
[17:17] <raub> But, if you do not have permissions you can't open it
[17:17] <Phryq> ok. I tried both KVM and virtualbox in Arch; each had different problems. I was about to instal VMware but gave up as I had to compile it from the AUR
[17:18] <Phryq> actually, I can open it using visudo, so maybe I should simply use that route
[17:18] <raub> I have run both in ubuntu; it is too easy to set them up
[17:18] <Phryq> but I can't make a '#' sign in visudo
[17:18] <Phryq> awesome
[17:18] <Phryq> which is faster? KVM?
[17:18] <raub> In the virtualbox site there are specific docs just to make it work in ubuntu
[17:19] <raub> Hmmm, probably. But in real life I think virtualbox is more convenient
[17:20] <raub> Specially if you want to create a vm and send to a friend running something else (windows, osx etc)
[17:21] <raub> Phryq: I do not know what editor arch is using for visudo. Maybe vi?
[17:21] <Phryq> I think
[17:21] <Phryq> it's an editor inside the terminal
[17:22] <raub> I know very little of arch; I use ubuntu at work and for my personal laptop. And centos for my home server.
[17:24] <holstein> Phryq: there is a root recovery terminal in the recovery kernel at boot
[17:25] <raub> holstein: I do think he would be happier running ubuntu as the host OS and then playing with arch in a vm.
[17:26] <holstein> happy is a matter of opinion
[17:26] <holstein> the tools are pretty much the same.. i would go with which one fits needs best
[17:26] <Phryq> I just want to fix my sudoers file, so I can instal unetbootin, so I can put ubuntu onto a flash drive, rawr!
[17:26] <Phryq> maybe there's an easier way to run unetbootin
[17:26] <holstein> Phryq: you can use the root recovery console
[17:26] <Phryq> how do I do that?
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you choose the recovery kernel i mentioned.. at boot..
[17:27] <Phryq> Ah, my computer doesn't boot like that
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you boot the recovery kernel instead of the normal kernel.. choose "root shell" or whatever it is
[17:27] <Phryq> I start with a terminal, log into root
[17:27] <Phryq> then I run lxdm
[17:27] <raub> If oyu log into root,
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you have grub and ubuntu.. so you have a recovery kernel
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: this is pre-x... pre login
[17:28] <Phryq> I'm running arch, not ubuntu
[17:28] <raub> But, if he can login as root, he can edit the file
[17:28] <raub> pre-x
[17:28] <holstein> Phryq: im sure there is something similar.. a recovery console.. you can always edit what you broke from a live CD as well
[17:28] <holstein> KVM and virtualbox are really quite different
[17:29] <holstein> KVM is a bare metal hypervisor.. virtualbox is for virtualizing a "machine"
[17:30] <holstein> again, one might fit your needs better than the other.. or be faster for some certain tasks
[17:31] <Phryq> I could edit sudoers with kwrite, right??
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: you edit a text file with a text editor
[17:31] <Phryq> I need it for 2 things. 1 to run a music notation program, which requires lots of audio/midi
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: kwrite is one of those.. so is nano.. gedit..
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: it?
[17:31] <Phryq> and 2 to run Tails, so that I can look up things from my highly censored country
[17:31] <holstein> ubuntustudio runs great live.. so does AVLinux
[17:32]  * holstein is a music professional
[17:32] <holstein> again, the applications are mostly the same,, if not exactly the same.. really depends on if you need/want arch or ubuntu
[17:33] <Phryq> Ah. I used to run Ubuntu studio, back in version 9
[17:33] <Phryq> 9.04
[17:33] <holstein> 1 music notation program does *not* require lots of audio/midi
[17:33] <Phryq> I tried all the notation programs. None met my needs. Musescore was closest, but I couldn't make it work
[17:33] <holstein> heres one that runs in the browser http://www.noteflight.com/login requiring only a browser on the local machine
[17:33] <holstein> Phryq: you chose not to use it
[17:34] <holstein> Phryq: again, musescore works great, *if* it meets your needs
[17:34] <holstein> still, no notation editors require much... most dont even pull in JACK
[17:35] <holstein> we dont need to debate any of that though... nor what is "better".. you just say what you need, and a volunteer can help you get there
[17:37] <Phryq> ya, I don't think I need a lot of what studio offers atm. I don't need a real time kernel
[17:37] <Phryq> though having jack etc. settup is convinient
[17:38] <Phryq> but I've already downloaded Lubuntu, and my connection is too slow to download another right now
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: i dont think you need it either
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: i dont agree that the music notation editor requires a lot of audio/midi
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: what im saying is, *if* it does, or you think it does, you can always use a live CD
[17:41] <holstein> thus, taking advantage of the ubuntustudio ecosystem while maintaining the above stance "i dont need a lot of what studio offers"
[17:41] <holstein> you wont have anything installed locally
[17:41] <holstein> Phryq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_Debugging#Repairing_with_Arch_live-cd
[17:43] <Phryq> I use Sibelius as my notation on windows. When I use it, there is a ridiculous amount of overhead.
[17:43] <Phryq> I go poweruser to the extreme with that program
[17:44] <holstein> Phryq: as far as i know, its windows only
[17:44] <holstein> Phryq: there is nothing about linux/ubuntu that is preventing sibelius from being written for linux
[17:47] <holstein> sibelius is "self contained" though, and doesnt "require" any more midi/audio applications
[17:48] <Phryq> ya, I wish Sibelius were written for liiinux
[17:48] <Phryq> appearently version 5 works ok through Wine, but not 7
[17:48] <Phryq> 5 would be ok if it were 64 bit
[17:53] <holstein> i find it easier when folks dont use any software, rather than coming to linux with a work flow they are used to
[17:53] <holstein> i *know* musescore can do what you want.. but you are used to sibelius
[17:54] <holstein> and thats fine, but if you had no experience with sibelius, you would just use musescore, and figure it out
[17:54] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1124
[18:02] <Phryq> can musescore use vsts?
[18:03] <holstein> Phryq: the creator of *any* of those vst's you are asking about can make them compatible/useable in linux/ubuntu
[18:04] <holstein> Phryq: musescore can connect with anything JACK can... which is most all native applications
[18:04] <holstein> i assume you are trying to route musecore to instruments
[18:05] <holstein> KXstudio has done lots of work to get windows vst support in a nice ubuntu based distro
[18:05] <holstein> i personally dont bother with windows software in linux
[18:05] <holstein> you can always export the project and import the midi data into windows
[18:06] <holstein> Phryq: the short answer is.. musescore can use any vst's it is allowed to use
[18:06] <Phryq> ok
[18:07] <Phryq> I know reaper in linux  through wine can use many windows vsts
[18:07] <Phryq> I wonder if musescore could do the same
[18:07] <holstein> Phryq: again.. any vst's its allowed to use
[18:07] <holstein> you also dont have to "wonder".. you can fire up a live CD and know
[18:07] <holstein> i personally dont bother
[18:07] <holstein> you can also ask in #kxstudio
[18:08] <holstein> i think those guys know what from the windows vst's can work
[18:08] <holstein> i know 32bit is easier, if not manditory
[23:45] <Atlantic777> Hi guys! It seems that the link "join now" ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) on this page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) doesn't work.
[23:46] <Atlantic777> I'm logged in on launchpad and I keep getting this message: Invalid OpenID transaction
[23:46] <Atlantic777> Is it only me or the link is wrong/broken somehow?
[23:48] <holstein> Atlantic777: "join us" ?
[23:49] <Atlantic777> holstein: sorry, I pasted the wrong link https://login.launchpad.net/pWfXlTTFK1CH4DRb/+decide
[23:49] <Atlantic777> it's actually "join now"
[23:49] <Atlantic777> in getting started section
[23:50] <holstein> Atlantic777: ok.. i see the error. where is the link?
[23:51] <Unit193> Launchpad can be known to be cranky, but I'd try either another browser, or clearing the cache/cookies.
[23:51] <Atlantic777> holstein: in the getting started section of the Beginners Team main wiki page.
[23:53] <holstein> Unit193: are you looking at it?
[23:53] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam#Getting_Started
[23:53] <holstein> i dont want to lock anyone out...
[23:55] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners I think he's talking about the join button there?
[23:58] <holstein> Atlantic777: that should do it... thanks for the heads up!
[23:59] <Atlantic777> Oook. Thanks. :)