=== Jacky_ is now known as zz_Jacky_ === zz_Jacky_ is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as Jacky_ [02:32] Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/ [02:33] can't seem to find a way to do it... [02:33] Can somebody help me please [02:36] I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract.... [02:37] Then I don't know what to do next..... [02:46] If a process has a user max stack size set, does it immediately get allocated the total amount of memory for its stack? [02:47] i.e. if it had 10MB max stack size, then created 3 children, would they all have 10MB stacks too, and it would use 40MB of memory? [02:48] @bookpage I'm waiting for an answer for 10 minutes... Doesn't seem to have activity here at all... [02:48] maybe you can help me! [02:48] Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/ [02:48] can't seem to find a way to do it... [02:48] Can somebody help me please [02:48] I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract.... [02:48] Then I don't know what to do next..... [02:52] REPOST...PLEASE HELP! Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/ [02:52] can't seem to find a way to do it... [02:52] Can somebody help me please [02:52] I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract.... [02:52] Then I don't know what to do next..... [02:55] So is there another channel or way to get help? [02:56] etienne: It's generally not recommended to isntall stuff outside of the repo, but you can try #ubuntu [02:57] Thanks! [03:12] anybody know how to fix a .ICEauthority file === Jacky_ is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as Jacky_ === Jacky_ is now known as jackyalcine === yofel_ is now known as yofel === jackyalcine is now known as Jacky_ === Jacky_ is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as Jacky_ [16:58] I have an arch question but the arch room isn't working for me [16:58] and they just hate on me for being a nube when I ask questions anyway, so maybe here is better, if someone knows Arch === albert_ is now known as Phryq [17:00] Arch isn't supported here, no. [17:01] Phryq: is it arch-specific or Linux in general? [17:01] I don't know. I edited visudo the other day, and it broke my ability to run sudo [17:01] or to 'su' [17:02] That could be bad [17:02] well, not exactly, only seems my ability to run the pacage manager as su - root is broken. [17:02] But su should not be affected by sudo IMHO [17:02] if I could edit visudo in the gui, then I think I can fix it [17:03] Do it command line [17:03] but being ultra nube, I only know how to type 'visudo' into a terminal, and don't really know how to edit it after doing that [17:03] visudo is either running pico/nao or vi [17:03] er nano [17:03] (which is why I plan to switch to lubuntu after I fix this problem. I don't have time to learn Arch anymore). [17:04] can I find visudo in a directory? like in Dolphin? [17:04] the file visudo edit is called sudoers [17:05] As in /etc/sudoers in both ubuntu and centos [17:05] thanks [17:05] But, root should not be affected by it AFAIK [17:05] export EDITOR=nano then do it, otherwise I'd recommend you looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo or maybe try ##linux ? [17:06] I got into the Arch channel, but as usual they simply call me stupid for not knowing how to work linux. Don't know why Arch users are like that. [17:06] Arch community expects people to know Linux well before using it [17:07] Ubuntu likes to say it is Linux for the people [17:07] so its community is more positive towards beginners [17:08] ah. Ya, I think I should've started with Ubuntu in order to learn without being hated on. I think that Lubuntu is also relatively fast [17:08] Also, ubuntu tends to work on whatever intel/amd-based box you are running out of the box [17:09] Case in point: a girl I know has a X61 laptop. She spent like months trying to get it running properly on Windows 7 (tablet pressure stuff). Pen worked right from the get goin on ubuntu [17:11] 12.10 is the newest, right? [17:11] AFAIK, yeah [17:12] ok, so I can't open sudoers without being root [17:12] You will get it installed and up and running much faster than arch [17:12] but when I open it in terminal I get errors [17:12] That is to be expected. You need to be able to do su - and know the root pw [17:13] well my arch is installed and running mostly, but I want to be able to run virtual machines, and instal some other things, and many things are a huge pain to do [17:13] FYI, even on ubuntu you need to be nice to the sudoers file [17:14] ya, I thought I was being careful but appreantly not. . . [17:14] haha [17:14] Happens with everyone [17:15] ok, so from terminal, if I want to run sudoers file, I can't simply CD to the directory and type 'sudoers' right? [17:15] I have to open a program? I tried opening Kwrite, but it gives me an error [17:16] FYI, if you want to run virtual machines I would probably pick kvm(libvirt+qemu) or virtualbox. There is agood info on setting them up int he ubuntu wiki [17:16] sudoers is a file. You would need an editor to look into it, like vi, nano, or whatever. [17:17] But, if you do not have permissions you can't open it [17:17] ok. I tried both KVM and virtualbox in Arch; each had different problems. I was about to instal VMware but gave up as I had to compile it from the AUR [17:18] actually, I can open it using visudo, so maybe I should simply use that route [17:18] I have run both in ubuntu; it is too easy to set them up [17:18] but I can't make a '#' sign in visudo [17:18] awesome [17:18] which is faster? KVM? [17:18] In the virtualbox site there are specific docs just to make it work in ubuntu [17:19] Hmmm, probably. But in real life I think virtualbox is more convenient [17:20] Specially if you want to create a vm and send to a friend running something else (windows, osx etc) [17:21] Phryq: I do not know what editor arch is using for visudo. Maybe vi? [17:21] I think [17:21] it's an editor inside the terminal [17:22] I know very little of arch; I use ubuntu at work and for my personal laptop. And centos for my home server. [17:24] Phryq: there is a root recovery terminal in the recovery kernel at boot [17:25] holstein: I do think he would be happier running ubuntu as the host OS and then playing with arch in a vm. [17:26] happy is a matter of opinion [17:26] the tools are pretty much the same.. i would go with which one fits needs best [17:26] I just want to fix my sudoers file, so I can instal unetbootin, so I can put ubuntu onto a flash drive, rawr! [17:26] maybe there's an easier way to run unetbootin [17:26] Phryq: you can use the root recovery console [17:26] how do I do that? [17:27] Phryq: you choose the recovery kernel i mentioned.. at boot.. [17:27] Ah, my computer doesn't boot like that [17:27] Phryq: you boot the recovery kernel instead of the normal kernel.. choose "root shell" or whatever it is [17:27] I start with a terminal, log into root [17:27] then I run lxdm [17:27] If oyu log into root, [17:27] Phryq: you have grub and ubuntu.. so you have a recovery kernel [17:27] Phryq: this is pre-x... pre login [17:28] I'm running arch, not ubuntu [17:28] But, if he can login as root, he can edit the file [17:28] pre-x [17:28] Phryq: im sure there is something similar.. a recovery console.. you can always edit what you broke from a live CD as well [17:28] KVM and virtualbox are really quite different [17:29] KVM is a bare metal hypervisor.. virtualbox is for virtualizing a "machine" [17:30] again, one might fit your needs better than the other.. or be faster for some certain tasks [17:31] I could edit sudoers with kwrite, right?? [17:31] Phryq: you edit a text file with a text editor [17:31] I need it for 2 things. 1 to run a music notation program, which requires lots of audio/midi [17:31] Phryq: kwrite is one of those.. so is nano.. gedit.. [17:31] Phryq: it? [17:31] and 2 to run Tails, so that I can look up things from my highly censored country [17:31] ubuntustudio runs great live.. so does AVLinux [17:32] * holstein is a music professional [17:32] again, the applications are mostly the same,, if not exactly the same.. really depends on if you need/want arch or ubuntu [17:33] Ah. I used to run Ubuntu studio, back in version 9 [17:33] 9.04 [17:33] 1 music notation program does *not* require lots of audio/midi [17:33] I tried all the notation programs. None met my needs. Musescore was closest, but I couldn't make it work [17:33] heres one that runs in the browser http://www.noteflight.com/login requiring only a browser on the local machine [17:33] Phryq: you chose not to use it [17:34] Phryq: again, musescore works great, *if* it meets your needs [17:34] still, no notation editors require much... most dont even pull in JACK [17:35] we dont need to debate any of that though... nor what is "better".. you just say what you need, and a volunteer can help you get there [17:37] ya, I don't think I need a lot of what studio offers atm. I don't need a real time kernel [17:37] though having jack etc. settup is convinient [17:38] but I've already downloaded Lubuntu, and my connection is too slow to download another right now [17:40] Phryq: i dont think you need it either [17:40] Phryq: i dont agree that the music notation editor requires a lot of audio/midi [17:40] Phryq: what im saying is, *if* it does, or you think it does, you can always use a live CD [17:41] thus, taking advantage of the ubuntustudio ecosystem while maintaining the above stance "i dont need a lot of what studio offers" [17:41] you wont have anything installed locally [17:41] Phryq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_Debugging#Repairing_with_Arch_live-cd [17:43] I use Sibelius as my notation on windows. When I use it, there is a ridiculous amount of overhead. [17:43] I go poweruser to the extreme with that program [17:44] Phryq: as far as i know, its windows only [17:44] Phryq: there is nothing about linux/ubuntu that is preventing sibelius from being written for linux [17:47] sibelius is "self contained" though, and doesnt "require" any more midi/audio applications [17:48] ya, I wish Sibelius were written for liiinux [17:48] appearently version 5 works ok through Wine, but not 7 [17:48] 5 would be ok if it were 64 bit [17:53] i find it easier when folks dont use any software, rather than coming to linux with a work flow they are used to [17:53] i *know* musescore can do what you want.. but you are used to sibelius [17:54] and thats fine, but if you had no experience with sibelius, you would just use musescore, and figure it out [17:54] http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1124 [18:02] can musescore use vsts? [18:03] Phryq: the creator of *any* of those vst's you are asking about can make them compatible/useable in linux/ubuntu [18:04] Phryq: musescore can connect with anything JACK can... which is most all native applications [18:04] i assume you are trying to route musecore to instruments [18:05] KXstudio has done lots of work to get windows vst support in a nice ubuntu based distro [18:05] i personally dont bother with windows software in linux [18:05] you can always export the project and import the midi data into windows [18:06] Phryq: the short answer is.. musescore can use any vst's it is allowed to use [18:06] ok [18:07] I know reaper in linux through wine can use many windows vsts [18:07] I wonder if musescore could do the same [18:07] Phryq: again.. any vst's its allowed to use [18:07] you also dont have to "wonder".. you can fire up a live CD and know [18:07] i personally dont bother [18:07] you can also ask in #kxstudio [18:08] i think those guys know what from the windows vst's can work [18:08] i know 32bit is easier, if not manditory === dniMretsaM is now known as dniMretsaM_away === bgs101 is now known as bgs100 === Jacky_ is now known as zz_Jacky_ === dniMretsaM_away is now known as dniMretsaM [23:45] Hi guys! It seems that the link "join now" ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) on this page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) doesn't work. [23:46] I'm logged in on launchpad and I keep getting this message: Invalid OpenID transaction [23:46] Is it only me or the link is wrong/broken somehow? [23:48] Atlantic777: "join us" ? [23:49] holstein: sorry, I pasted the wrong link https://login.launchpad.net/pWfXlTTFK1CH4DRb/+decide [23:49] it's actually "join now" [23:49] in getting started section [23:50] Atlantic777: ok.. i see the error. where is the link? [23:51] Launchpad can be known to be cranky, but I'd try either another browser, or clearing the cache/cookies. [23:51] holstein: in the getting started section of the Beginners Team main wiki page. [23:53] Unit193: are you looking at it? [23:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam#Getting_Started [23:53] i dont want to lock anyone out... [23:55] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners I think he's talking about the join button there? [23:58] Atlantic777: that should do it... thanks for the heads up! [23:59] Oook. Thanks. :)