[17:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:00] <YokoZar> Ahoy
[17:00] <czajkowski> dholbach: pleia2 cprofitt YokoZar ping :)
[17:01] <dholbach> hello hello
[17:01] <dholbach> so today it's the DMB and the Docs team? :)
[17:02] <czajkowski> indeed
[17:02] <dholbach> do we have anyone here from either of the two?
[17:02] <czajkowski> Laney: ping
[17:02] <czajkowski> they were both mailed.
[17:03] <dholbach> barry, bdrung, cody-somerville, micahg, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping too
[17:04] <dholbach> and the Docs team would be https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/+members#active
[17:04] <dholbach> (I guess)
[17:04] <dholbach> I'll ask in #ubuntu-doc
[17:05] <YokoZar> Good idea
[17:05] <czajkowski> will be disapointing if nobody shows up again
[17:05] <czajkowski> :(
[17:08] <czajkowski> nobody? that's a bit disapointing for us , guess we'll have to reschedule and re add to the agenda so
[17:15] <dholbach> ok, we've waited for 15m now
[17:15] <dholbach> I suggest we reschedule.
[17:15] <dholbach> if nobody beats me to it, I can send out mails tomorrow
[17:16] <czajkowski> I'll send ou the mails tomorrow dholbach
[17:16] <czajkowski> once we find a slot in our timetable
[17:16]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[17:16] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[17:16] <czajkowski> it's rather unfortunate as we're running out of space, we may need to meet during one of our hangouts to make space tbh
[17:17] <Laney> OH HI!
[17:17] <dholbach> or maybe there's another month with 5 Thursdays :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> Laney: ah there you are!
[17:17] <czajkowski> where are the others!
[17:17] <dholbach> hey Laney :)
[17:17] <Laney> dunno
[17:17] <Laney> do this:
[17:17] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[17:18] <stgraber> already in two meetings, can't attend this one, sorry
[17:18] <cody-somerville> I have a doctor's appointment to head to. Sorry.
[17:20] <czajkowski> it would have been helpful if someone had told us this when I mailed we could have rescheduled and added another board in this time.
[17:20] <czajkowski> will mail tomorow
[17:21] <dholbach> ok, so we reschedule both?
[17:21] <czajkowski> nods
[17:21] <czajkowski> guess so
[17:21] <dholbach> all right
[17:21] <bdrung> hi
[17:21]  * dholbach goes shopping
[17:21]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[17:21] <Laney> hey you got two of us!
[17:21] <dholbach> all right, let's talk to the two of them - in that case we just reschedule the docs team
[17:22] <dholbach> and we can maybe get some more opinions via mail ... or something
[17:22] <dholbach> Gwaihir, czajkowski: ^ what do you think?
[17:22] <czajkowski> sure
[17:22] <pleia2> I think this is ok for now
[17:22] <pleia2> (we already rescheduled once :))
[17:22] <dholbach> perfect
[17:22] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[17:22] <dholbach> thanks bdrung, Laney
[17:22] <czajkowski> #topic DMB catch up
[17:23] <czajkowski> bdrung: Laney how are things in the life of the DMB these days?
[17:23] <dholbach> Are you both up for reelection right now?
[17:24] <bdrung> dholbach: yes
[17:24] <dholbach> Looking back at your last term, how did you feel did the DMB generally cope with their tasks?
[17:24] <bdrung> czajkowski: the team is working nicely together, but our decisions are controversial (see discussions on ubuntu-devel mailing list)
[17:25] <dholbach> bdrung, is the general workload all right?
[17:25] <Laney> i think we achieved some good things on process
[17:25] <Laney> but work is ongoing
[17:26] <dholbach> Laney, can you give us a few bullet points? (for those not watching the DMB closely)
[17:26] <czajkowski> bdrung: aye we'll come back to that
[17:26] <bdrung> dholbach: the workload is all right, but we could be more proactive (in case of expected deferrals)
[17:26] <Laney> we made it easier to modify packagesets
[17:27] <Laney> made their definitions more precise (to facilitate this)
[17:27] <bdrung> * making it easier for DD to get PPU rights
[17:28] <Laney> we'll be voting at our next meeting on granting the kernel team the right to manage their packageset
[17:28] <dholbach> ah, nice
[17:28] <Laney> as a result of being proactive on that at UDS
[17:28] <Laney> we tightened up on our meetings as we were overrunning a lot every time previously
[17:29] <Laney> now it's not so much of a problem
[17:29] <dholbach> so you don't have to ask applicants to attend another meeting too often?
[17:29] <Laney> correct
[17:29] <dholbach> do you still handle (some of the) applications via mail?
[17:29] <Laney> applicants know in advance which meeting they will be heard at
[17:29] <Laney> in exceptional cases we can do that
[17:30] <bdrung> the last exception was quite some time ago
[17:30] <dholbach> YokoZar, welcome back
[17:30] <czajkowski> so coming back to what bdrung mentioned above
[17:31] <czajkowski> controversial decisions
[17:31] <dholbach> I liked the discussion on ubuntu-devel@ - there were a couple of good ideas. Are you still discussing future changes to the DMB process internally? Or do you wait until a new DMB is formed?
[17:31] <czajkowski> care to elaborate and tell us about that
[17:31] <Laney> it's felt that our criteria should be clearer
[17:32] <bdrung> some developers dislike that we deferred some applications.
[17:32] <Laney> so that people know with more certainty when they should be applying
[17:33] <czajkowski> defered as in ran out of time, or defered their applications as not suitable?
[17:33] <Laney> the latter
[17:33] <bdrung> defered their applications as not suitable _yet_
[17:34] <czajkowski> nods
[17:34] <dholbach> I liked Laney's suggestion of the DAT and the DMB working a bit more closely together. Do you feel there were other promising proposals?
[17:34] <bdrung> dholbach: yes
[17:35] <Laney> being proactive when there are clear issues visible a priori
[17:35] <dholbach> (Or in general: applicants reaching out to the DMB beforehand.)
[17:35] <czajkowski> so I guess I found this interesting given other boards when applications are asked to defer till more experience either come back at a later date, or appeal to the CC, I'd never seen a situation like the above take place on the mailing list,
[17:35] <Laney> we have to avoid collusion and groupthink though
[17:35] <czajkowski> is this normal?
[17:35] <dholbach> Laney, can you elaborate?
[17:35] <Laney> on which point?
[17:36] <dholbach> avoiding collusion and groupthink
[17:36] <Laney> it might be tempting to discuss concerns in advance internally
[17:36] <dholbach> maybe my day has been too long already, but I'm not quite sure what it means :)
[17:36] <Laney> and thereby come to a consensus in private
[17:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: tis ok am confused also
[17:38] <dholbach> ah ok, I guess that makes sense - I would have hoped, that everybody would just speak their mind in a prior exchange, but I guess it can't be avoided that somebody influences somebody else who hasn't made up their mind yet
[17:38] <Laney> if you want to redirect an applicant away in advance of a meeting you might want to discuss with your fellow members before going to the applicant
[17:39] <Laney> this isn't a bad thing per se, but it's not a formal vote so it should be handled properly
[17:39] <Laney> as it would be difficult for someone to press on when advised against by one of the people that will be considering them
[17:40] <dholbach> I'd hope that over time you'd find a good protocol for this, just by trying it out. :)
[17:41] <Laney> actually i think perhaps a consensus would be a good thing to achieve here
[17:41] <Laney> otherwise one person who doesn't necessarily represent the rest would be able to dissuade people too easily
[17:41] <Laney> something that would have to be worked out in practice i suppose
[17:42] <Laney> bdrung: perhaps you have another idea to add
[17:43] <Laney> ok, i will outline my other idea
[17:43] <dholbach> yeah, I can easily imagine having two people on a board, one more trusting or lenient, the other more demanding - in a discussion I'd hope they'd find a spectrum with everything between "absolute no-go" and "rubber-stamping the application"
[17:44] <bdrung> hm, i think we should try it out and see how it works. if someone of us has doubt about one applicant, he can raise that doubt on the dmb channel and see if someone agrees. if two people of the dmb has doubts, asking the application makes sense
[17:44] <Laney> it's quite simple: giving better feedback for both these soft deferrals and hard ones at a meeting
[17:44] <Laney> currently if we do anything it's just by email which isn't very easy for people to find
[17:44] <Laney> i think we could look at being more organised on this
[17:44] <Laney> so that, over time, the expectations become more clear
[17:44] <dholbach> and if one of them choses to vote -1 and the other one +1 afterwards, I guess that can't be avoided - or if you phrase your reply to the applicant before the meeting in a way which says "some of us felt you might want to look at doing a few more merges / writing a bit more about yourself in your application / come back in a month or two"
[17:45] <dholbach> yeah, that sounds great
[17:45] <Laney> i would be interested in us talking a bit about czajkowski's earlier point if you don't mind
[17:45] <dholbach> sure
[17:45] <Laney> namely why the dmb is (seen as being?) quite different from other membership boards
[17:46] <Laney> i don't really have much insight into the other ones but i understand that it's quite common for people to be declined membership there?
[17:46] <czajkowski> it happens from time to time yes
[17:47] <bdrung> dholbach: we require +4 for an application to succeed. so voting +0 shows doubts and -1 shows a stronger no
[17:47] <czajkowski> people are asked to come back again, usually with some areas to improve upon
[17:47] <czajkowski> and that's fine
[17:47] <czajkowski> more often than not they do then get approved.
[17:47] <dholbach> I don't know, but from my time when I did this as part of the CC, it didn't happen very often - probably some one-digit percentage
[17:47] <Laney> doesn't seem to me that there are any clearer standards for membership than there are for uploader applications?
[17:47] <dholbach> but this might have changed with the membership boards
[17:48] <pleia2> yeah, I wouldn't say "quite common" but it can be harder to understand what's required for approval since the scope of Membership is much broader and less concrete
[17:48] <pleia2> so sometimes people don't get approved because they completely lack documentation and testimonials
[17:49] <pleia2> presumably someone applying to DMB actually does always have a body of work they can show in some way
[17:49] <Laney> right
[17:49] <Laney> are dmb votes seen more as judgements on a person's work?
[17:49] <Laney> so deferrals are some kind of implicit criticism there
[17:50] <pleia2> as gentle as a deferral is for any of these boards, it will feel like rejection and be painful
[17:50] <bdrung> or does gaining upload right is more attractive than being able to call oneself ubuntu member?
[17:51] <dholbach> I could imagine that the review of the DMB is much more extensive than that of a membership approving board. With good testimonials, consistent and substantial work of a cycle you can get membership.
[17:51] <pleia2> bdrung: I think that's highly dependent upon the person, motivations for both can vary wildly
[17:51] <czajkowski> pleia2: +1
[17:52] <Laney> people are often peturbed that the dmb goes against endorsements
[17:53] <pleia2> and with membership, you don't actually need it to "get your work done" (ie - upload packages directly yourself), where as upload rights I'm sure many people apply for that reason
[17:53] <dholbach> In the case of the DMB on the other hand you could have individual uploads inspected(?) and be asked about them. Or be asked why you didn't take part in some developers' activity. So it seems that the expectations are more concrete, even if still vague.
[17:53] <Laney> right - it has the blocking factor
[17:53] <Laney> blocking/enabling
[17:56] <Laney> let's leave the introspection aside
[17:57] <Laney> we'll see what we manage to achieve (hopefully i'll be on the board to help implement some changes)
[17:57]  * pleia2 nods
[17:57] <dholbach> thanks a lot for looking into this
[17:57] <czajkowski> thank you
[17:57] <dholbach> the ideas which were brought up might take us a long way already
[17:58] <dholbach> and generate some further discussion and ideas :)
[17:58] <dholbach> is there anything you feel the CC could help you with?
[17:59] <bdrung> one thing come to my mind: decoupling PPU from Ubuntu membership. Would that be a good idea?
[17:59] <pleia2> bdrung: yes
[17:59] <dholbach> I think we discussed it in some mailing list discussion already
[17:59] <pleia2> we've discussed this a few times in the past, that tended to be the consensus
[18:00]  * dholbach nods
[18:00] <Laney> we just need to implement it afaik
[18:00] <bdrung> so it's just a matter of implementing it
[18:00] <Laney> put it on the agenda
[18:01] <bdrung> Laney: do you or should i?
[18:01] <Laney> you please
[18:01] <Laney> oh, I just remembered something: the post meeting tasks seem quite arduous which means that people often put them off
[18:01] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda "After the meeting"
[18:02] <Laney> lots of tedious wiki fiddling
[18:02] <Laney> I wonder what fat we can trim there
[18:02] <czajkowski> rotating the chair
[18:02] <czajkowski> sharing tasks
[18:02] <czajkowski> cant really not add them to the LP team :)
[18:03] <dholbach> might be a good discussion on ubuntu-council-teams@lists.launchpad.net  :)
[18:03] <pleia2> Laney: as long as the minutes include approval details, the same mail can be sent to -news team as to -devel and -devel-announce
[18:03] <dholbach> other teams certainly have the same problem
[18:03] <bdrung> i find it tedious to write the meeting minutes and and team report
[18:04] <pleia2> bdrung: are the meeting minutes different than the team report?
[18:04] <dholbach> maybe using the bot more (using AGREED, using ACTION, etc) might help with that?
[18:04] <pleia2> for the CC they're the same, helps a lot (though still tedious)
[18:04] <dholbach> sorry, I have got to run - thanks a lot everyone - and bdrung, Laney: if you feel the CC or I can help with anything we discussed earlier, please let me know
[18:04] <dholbach> hugs!
[18:04] <Laney> sure
[18:05] <Laney> thanks a lot
[18:05] <bdrung> maybe the formatting is different
[18:05] <czajkowski> using the bot has helped a lot
[18:05] <czajkowski> as it does a lot of thw work for you
[18:05] <czajkowski> anyway moving on as we've gone over the time
[18:05] <czajkowski> any other comments?
[18:06] <pleia2> it requires a constant nagging to get people to use #action and #info (we do it for Xubuntu)
[18:06] <pleia2> and even I forget :)
[18:07] <czajkowski> do we have any actions from this meeting /
[18:07] <pleia2> we should figure out how to get the doc team to respond
[18:07] <bdrung> having one recording clerk would be nice. :)
[18:07] <pleia2> it's a bit worrying that no one from the core doc team even acked our email
[18:07] <pleia2> just a couple who work on the wiki, and said they'd come but didn't :\
[18:08] <czajkowski> bdrung: sharing is much better trust me
[18:08] <czajkowski> #action czajkowski mail the docs team again and reschedule meeting
[18:08] <meetingology> ACTION: czajkowski mail the docs team again and reschedule meeting
[18:09] <bdrung> czajkowski: but then i have to ask myself every time how to write the minutes and how to format them
[18:09] <czajkowski> bdrung: well, roating chair and perso doing the mins has worked for the Loco council
[18:09] <czajkowski> I really do have to head tbh
[18:10] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[18:10] <cprofitt> very good conversation about the issue everyone
[18:10] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[18:10] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  7 18:10:42 2013 UTC.
[18:10] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-07-17.22.moin.txt
[18:10] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-07-17.22.html
[18:11] <cprofitt> thanks czajkowski for chairing
[20:58] <hallino1> Evenng
[20:58] <hallino1> Evening*
[20:58] <newlife> hallino1: :D
[20:58] <hallino1> newlife: ;)
[22:01] <hallino1> s-fox: Hey my friend :)
[22:01] <mapreri> hi hallino1 :)
[22:01] <hallino1> Hey mapreri :)
[22:02] <mapreri> how are you todey, hallino1? :)
[22:02] <hallino1> mapreri: fine thanks, and you? :)
[22:02] <hallino1> jderose: o/
[22:02] <IdleOne> Give us a few minutes here folks and we will get this meeting started
[22:02] <m4n1sh> jderose: hey
[22:03] <newlife> jderose:  :D
[22:03] <jderose> hi hallino1, hi m4n1sh :)
[22:03] <jderose> and newlife :)
[22:03] <mapreri> hallino1: better than yesterday...
[22:03] <mapreri> jderose: hi!
[22:03] <m4n1sh> jderose: applying for membership renewal. You too?
[22:03] <IdleOne> #startmeeting
[22:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  7 22:03:41 2013 UTC.  The chair is IdleOne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:03] <IdleOne> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for Feb 7, 2013. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:04] <IdleOne> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:04] <IdleOne> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:04] <jderose> m4n1sh: no, here to cheer on newlife :)
[22:04] <IdleOne> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:04] <IdleOne> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:04] <newlife> thx jderose :)
[22:04] <IdleOne> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:04] <IdleOne> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:05] <IdleOne> #Membership application for newlife
[22:05] <IdleOne> newlife: Please introduce yourself
[22:05] <newlife> hello
[22:05] <IdleOne> #voters IdleOne hggdh PabloRubianes s-fox
[22:05] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes hggdh s-fox
[22:05] <newlife> I'm Marco, 41 years old, from Italy, the first time I tried Ubuntu was in 2007, even though I had tried other linux distributions only out of curiosity.
[22:06] <newlife> My primary job is not just inherent computer but since I was a guy and I had the PC  I use it daily and my curiosity about it has allowed me to explore a huge world that is ...
[22:06] <newlife> the freedom to decide, act and use software that can be modified, for improvement and implemented by all and sundry.
[22:06] <newlife> Continuously I participate in the work of the Italian community of Ubuntu and I'm part of the Newsletter Team, Marketing Team, Test Team and I'm the coordinator of the Full Circle Magazine Italy Team.
[22:07] <newlife> From january also in thenew Social Media Team.
[22:07] <newlife> I have some small experience in programming with C + + but I'm trying to learn python.
[22:07] <newlife> Yes, true, you could say ... you would to study? You think you can program?
[22:07] <newlife> I have a modest opinion.
[22:07] <newlife> Never think you can not do better.
[22:07] <newlife> Life is a series of tests and challenges, never say never and do not say 'I can not! "
[22:07] <newlife> I've never facing new challenges with the idea 'not be able to overcome it!'
[22:07] <newlife> Instead, I always took the challenges head on trying to find the best and right for me to overcome them.
[22:07] <newlife> This is my way of being that I try to reflect on the people who are close to me.
[22:07] <IdleOne> Very impressive testimonials :)
[22:08] <s-fox> +1 IdleOne
[22:08] <newlife> I think: "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel Threatened That Able and others are good, based from a proper self-assurance That comes from knowing he or she That Belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed
[22:08]  * s-fox is still reading all of them
[22:08] <PabloRubianes> +1 IdleOne
[22:08] <newlife> I totally recognize myself in these words.
[22:08] <newlife> In my wiki page Italian as my motto can be read:
[22:08] <newlife> "The Good, only the Good, to the Good!"
[22:08] <newlife> that's all!
[22:09] <IdleOne> #voters IdleOne hggdh PabloRubianes s-fox iulian
[22:09] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes hggdh iulian s-fox
[22:09] <IdleOne> Give us a minute to look/talk about this privately, if anyone is here to cheer on newlife NOW is the time folks :)
[22:10] <newlife> :)
[22:10] <PabloRubianes> newlife, have any italian loco friends here?
[22:10] <IdleOne> jderose: Did you want to add anything?
[22:10] <newlife> sure
[22:10] <PabloRubianes> or anyone who wants to talk?
[22:10] <newlife> hallino1:
[22:10] <newlife> warp10:
[22:10] <jderose> newlife is the sort of positive dream-big sort of person that is exactly what ubuntu (always) needs more of
[22:10] <newlife> :)
[22:10] <hallino1> So.. newlife it's a really good and special guy.. I know him when we was at Ubuntu-it meeting and no other words to say.. He do the best :)
[22:11] <warp10> PabloRubianes: I want, and I am pleased to support Marco's application. He definitely deserves this memebership, both for his commitment and enthusiasm
[22:11] <newlife> mapreri:
[22:11] <newlife> hattory:
[22:11] <IdleOne> Thank you. Ok I think we are ready to vote
[22:11] <warp10> (PabloRubianes and I am part of that LocoTeam, BTW)
[22:11] <PabloRubianes> thanks warp10
[22:11] <IdleOne> #vote For membership approval of newlife
[22:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: For membership approval of newlife
[22:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:11] <IdleOne> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:11] <iulian> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:11] <PabloRubianes> +1 keep the good work
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 keep the good work received from PabloRubianes
[22:11] <s-fox> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:12] <s-fox> i am very impressed :D
[22:12] <hggdh> +1 bienvenuto :-)
[22:12] <meetingology> +1 bienvenuto :-) received from hggdh
[22:12] <IdleOne> So am I
[22:12] <IdleOne> #endvote
[22:12] <meetingology> Voting ended on: For membership approval of newlife
[22:12] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:12] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:12] <iulian> newlife: Well done and keep up the good work. Welcome aboard.
[22:12] <s-fox> congrats!!!1
[22:12] <warp10> newlife: bella socio! ;)
[22:12] <IdleOne> Congrats newlife and welcome :)
[22:12] <PabloRubianes> congrats newlife
[22:12] <newlife> Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:12] <newlife> :D
[22:12] <newlife> thx all
[22:12] <PabloRubianes> :D
[22:12] <hallino1> Bella amico newlife :D
[22:12] <hggdh> :-)
[22:12] <mapreri> newlife: congrats!
[22:12] <IdleOne> ok moving on to m4n1sh ..
[22:12] <jderose> newlife: hooray, well deserved! :D
[22:12] <iulian> Indeed.
[22:12] <IdleOne> m4n1sh: Please introduce yourself
[22:12] <m4n1sh> Hello everyone.
[22:13] <m4n1sh> I am Manish, 26 living in US
[22:13] <newlife> I want to thak warp10, jderose, hallino1, mapreri, hattory, and all of them next to me!
[22:13] <newlife> :D
[22:13] <m4n1sh> I have been an Ubuntu Member before and I am reapplying
[22:13] <m4n1sh> after 2 years
[22:13] <m4n1sh> I work at Arizona State University's SuperComputing Center
[22:13] <IdleOne> m4n1sh: Did your membership lapse?
[22:13] <m4n1sh> IdleOne: yes
[22:14] <m4n1sh> I have been using Ubuntu since 2006 and I had founded a Linux Users Group during my Undergrads
[22:14] <s-fox> we can renew it without need for re-application
[22:14] <m4n1sh> oh cool :)
[22:14] <m4n1sh> as far as I know, Membership is for current work
[22:14] <m4n1sh> so I thought I have to reapply
[22:14] <IdleOne> I applaud your commitment to reapply though :)
[22:14] <m4n1sh> :)
[22:14] <PabloRubianes> +1 IdleOne
[22:14] <s-fox> +1 IdleOne
[22:14] <IdleOne> once a member always a member
[22:14] <m4n1sh> :)
[22:14] <s-fox> very simple
[22:15] <m4n1sh> oh thanks.
[22:15]  * s-fox thinks we can wrap this meeting up in record time (14 minutes for 2 candidates!)
[22:15] <IdleOne> ok, so we are going to take care of your status in the back channel. Welcome back :)
[22:15] <s-fox> Welcome back m4n1sh !
[22:15] <PabloRubianes> s-fox, yes!!
[22:15] <m4n1sh> Thanks a lot
[22:15] <m4n1sh> Thanks s-fox
[22:15] <jderose> i didn't know m4n1sh was up for renewal today, but i've had the pleasure of interacting with him a lot the past 2 years... he's always professional and positive, and has helped me many a time on technical issues :D
[22:16] <IdleOne> jderose: it is nice to see that he is still doing good work, thank you for your support :)
[22:16] <hggdh> m4n1sh: you really do not need to really -- and your membership expired end of 2012 -- :-)
[22:16] <m4n1sh> hggdh: yes
[22:16] <hggdh> s/to really/to reapply/
[22:17] <IdleOne> Alright, that was quick and simple. Thank you all for coming and congrats to old and new members again.
[22:17] <IdleOne> #endmetting
[22:17] <IdleOne> #endmeeting
[22:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  7 22:17:36 2013 UTC.
[22:17] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-07-22.03.moin.txt
[22:17] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-07-22.03.html
[22:17] <hallino1> Congrats to all
[22:18] <PabloRubianes> congrats m4n1sh and newlife keep the great work
[22:18] <hggdh> anyway: welcome back, m4n1sh!
[22:18] <m4n1sh> Thanks everyone
[22:19] <jderose> newlife: m4n1sh: congrats again! i've gotta run :)
[22:19] <IdleOne> m4n1sh: you still have your member cloak
[22:19] <IdleOne> hehe
[22:19] <newlife> thx jderose :D thx so much, my friend!
[22:19] <IdleOne> you were defrauding the irc community :P
[22:23] <m4n1sh> IdleOne: yeah, but not my email id, which was infact most important to me
[22:24] <IdleOne> ah true, well that should be sorted now, you have been re-added to the LP group.
[22:24] <newlife> thx everyone
[22:24] <newlife> thx PabloRubianes :)
[22:24] <IdleOne> email can take a few days to come back up
[22:24] <newlife> no prob IdleOne :D
[22:25] <newlife> i have to offer some beers tonight... so.. take the time u need! :D
[22:27] <hattory> newlife: congrats dude!!!
[22:27] <newlife> wow
[22:27] <newlife> thx hattory :D
[22:50] <IdleOne> hm
[23:30] <nigelb> IdleOne: lol