[00:01] * redtape-renegade has earned a rollie break .. BRBack .. [00:02] honestly i really don't think you can do that [00:03] the description even says: "But it is not a bi-directional adapter. It won't pass signal from VGA to DisplayPort. " [00:04] oh Ok then .. I'm disappointed that my lego skills have failed me .. [00:04] ^_^ [00:04] * redtape-renegade smokes on ... [00:05] because VGA is analog you need something to actively process the video and spit out digital y'see [00:06] Yeah, I did get carried away abit .. [00:07] The reason is .. [00:11] While I was using Ubuntu on my main computer with 4 displayport adapters, At start-up when I first Logged on all the screen flashed with Ubuntu for 2 seconds (even showing the cursor moving on other/any screens) .. Then it just goes to the middle one .. as if to say .. Yes , we can do it , but your not a 'developer' so well just give you the 'basic' option and leave you with one as opposed to 3 or four. For a second or two was in 'Ubuntu -ALL OF THE [00:13] .. I blame the fanta I'm on tonight .. [00:13] ;) [00:17] Anyway .. it's getting late .. & I'm errano-ly off topic, So I best quit whilst I have dignity ... [00:17] bye for now daftykins. [00:17] later o/ [08:24] morning [08:31] morning [08:33] morning [08:46] Morning [08:46] First Ubuntu phones by October! \0/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/first-ubuntu-phone-available-october-says-shuttleworth [08:46] daubers: \0 [08:47] ☺ [08:59] I've just staged some files using git cola, is there a way I can unstage them? [08:59] I haven't pushed yet but realised I made a mistake on the commit message [09:02] Ah, I can reset it via command line but it'll wipe my changes [09:03] hi folks [09:07] popey: AlanBell: czajkowski: ping [09:08] Hey biggie! [09:08] Hi hoover. Are you keeping well? [09:08] Yep, of sorts I guess. Yourself? [09:08] Over worked but keeping it together I think :) [09:09] ello.... [09:11] hi bigcalm [09:12] Good morning all! :-D [09:14] bigcalm: hmm? [09:16] Where's christel? Haven't seen her about for a while [09:18] not on irc as busy [09:22] libreoffice 4 out :D [09:22] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 [09:25] Hey JamesTait [09:25] hoover, o/ [09:25] I'm currently fighting a 200gb myisam Mariadb database [09:25] not fun 8( [09:27] I'm making sure Facebook didn't break anything for us with their monthly breaking changes (looks like it's all fine) before resuming work on simplifying part of our test suite. [09:28] The sucker punch is that after being up late last night working on it, I discover this morning that we have no coffee in the house. :( [09:35] sounds like you need a coffee subscription ^o) [09:37] * popey hugs Laney [09:39] el popey [09:39] * Laney plays some flamenco [09:39] dear god what is happening to my laptop? [09:40] load average: 19.10, 14.43, 9.63 [09:41] * popey puts bets on syncdaemon [09:41] nothing is chewing cpu [09:42] it's something to do with io [09:42] oh god ... [09:42] \o/ dots [09:42] REBOOT TIME [09:43] * Laney watches sudo reboot fail to do anything [09:44] well this is disturbing [09:44] Azelphur: seen CS:Source is now working on Linux ;) === emma is now known as em === hamish_ is now known as hamishd [10:08] what's the shortest way to licence my program as GPL? [10:09] i don't want a comment block in my code with the full disclaimer [10:09] any reason why ubuntu encrypted install crashes on kvm during install? [10:09] had to use 9.10 and upgrade all the way [10:10] there's no way to upgrade all the way in one step, is there? [10:11] mungbean: not enough information [10:11] jacobw: there's a small block http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html [10:12] installing ubuntu 12.04 server as a VM on kvm , choose encryped disk during the alternate cli installer, install crashes [10:12] at what point? [10:12] there's an install log which can be extracted [10:14] good morning everyone, [10:14] Hi [10:15] morning popey'ness [10:16] pey'ness /me sniggers [10:18] get back in your slanket, Lane. [10:20] had the heating on this morning :( :( :( [10:21] popey: thanks [10:24] popey: turns out its not an installer issue as i've been told that sometimes the install completes and the machine randomly crashes after that [10:24] delightful [10:24] i'm going to let them fanny around exploring that one [10:26] cool, just got the latest k9-mail build, and it finally has a threaded view, of a kind. [10:39] I'm looking at filling in one of those ubuntu wiki profile home page things - is there a template for one somewhere? [10:40] At this point, I have two images of a 750G hard drive on one 1T drive. [10:45] einonm: just use someone elses page ☺ [10:46] popey: thanks. Well volunteered :) I was hoping to avoid having to delete someone else's waffling before adding my own [10:47] hah [10:47] make sure you copy my amazon wishlist onto your page ;) [10:48] is the "featured linux games" pane on the front of steampowered.com new? [10:49] directhex: FSVO "new", certainly (I have no idea *what* V, of course). [10:49] yes, not seen that before [10:50] i'm not sure about steamdb's "confirmed working" list - supposedly defcon works, but not for me [10:55] hi. i have an nvidia geforce 7300 gs which i can't seem to get working with the nvidia drivers. i've googled loads but nothing helped. i have nvidia-current installed and my display is fixed at 800x600 or lower. when i load nvidia-settings i get "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." - which i do, bu [10:55] t it doesn't stop the error message. anyone know anything i can try? [10:56] Adriannom: 7300 is a bit "old" by modern standards, I suspect the "unified" (hah) driver doesn't support it [10:56] maybe one of the older ones does [10:56] and we've installed the wrong one [10:57] 173 starts me up in safe mode, rather than just giving me 800x600 [10:57] though why current doesn't put me into safe mode if i'm not using the driver i don't know? [10:57] Adriannom: does "lsmod | grep nvidia" show the driver loaded? [10:57] nope [10:58] ok, good, so the driver isn't being loaded, thats a good start [10:59] can you pastebin the output from "dpkg -l nvidia* | grep ^ii" ? [10:59] sure [11:00] http://pastebin.com/Ai9FYkTm [11:00] you have a ppa enabled? [11:00] Ubuntu-x-swat [11:00] yup, tried default repos first though [11:01] ok, lets revert back... [11:01] i can remove that [11:01] sure [11:01] you know how to purge it? [11:01] How can I change the screen resolution to a specific size in virtual box ubuntu? [11:02] * czajkowski hugs popey you're well smart! [11:02] Guest additions works but I need the resolution to be a certain size for screencasting [11:03] kvarley: in a terminal inside the vm run "watch -d -n 0.1 xrandr" [11:03] then manually resize the virtualbox window until it's the right size ☺ [11:03] i just removed from software sources and uninstalled nvidia* [11:03] Adriannom: ppa-purge is handy [11:03] popey: Any way via xrandr to change it to a size automatically? [11:04] yes [11:04] but it's easier to do it manually tbh [11:04] ok [11:04] popey: thanks [11:04] it will constantly report the screen res [11:04] thats how i do it anyway [11:05] morning all [11:06] afternoon [11:06] [11:09] Nope. Definitely morning. I haven't eaten yet. [11:09] popey: it's 11 am it is still MORNING! ;) [11:09] popey, ok ppa-purge done :) [11:16] Adriannom: sorry, interrupted by mother in law on facebook ☺ [11:16] Adriannom: so, can you pastebin... "sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current" ? [11:16] no prob :) [11:30] Popey, catastophy... I thought my system was up to date, realised it wasn't and installed updates before we continue. Now on boot, it seemingly freckle eezes on "disabling saned", and I can't seem to get into low graphics mode... ;| [11:31] Freckle eezes? FREEZES [11:31] stupid predictive text [11:32] heh [11:32] Adriannom|droid: can you get to a recovery mode? [11:32] i.e. a root console [11:33] i prefer freckle eezes [11:33] aha ;) [11:33] was probably the x config [11:34] ok, so you have a desktop now? [11:34] yup [11:34] ok running the install now [11:34] might be worth doing this to see if anything is missing... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" [11:34] ok [11:35] couple of things [11:35] i trusted i was up to date because i clicked "update while you install" [11:35] guess that was a mistake :P [11:35] hah [11:35] we lie [11:36] lol [11:36] blame Laney [11:36] or xnox [11:36] or both! [11:36] ok another restart, talk to you about freckle eezes when it goes belly up ;) [11:37] hmm? [11:37] back in your box! [11:37] Lol [11:40] popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1619764/ [11:40] ok [11:40] and then you rebooted/ [11:40] ? [11:41] nope, will do [11:41] or.. [11:41] or [11:41] sudo service lightdm restart [11:41] which will restart your session [11:41] like that [11:41] If ubuntu switches to wayland or something similar does that mean compiz will no longer be needed and no additional drivers will be needed to display the unity environment? [11:42] you'll always need drivers ☺ [11:42] kvarley, yes and no [11:42] compiz will probably go away [11:42] so that's moot [11:42] compiz will go away [11:42] popey: Adriannom: that just updates the installer not the entire desktop [11:43] davmor2: yeah, thats misleading [11:43] Stuck in console, no errors, reboot? [11:43] but the question is whether ubuntu ships with a compositor called unity, instead of the reference compositor weston [11:43] Adriannom|droid: yeah, thats easiest [11:43] in the wayland model you have a wayland server and a compositor, instead of an x11 server and a window manager [11:43] that is indeed a question [11:44] weston is extensible, but i don't know if it's more work to make unity as an extension to weston, or just fork it off & make something standalne [11:44] popey: yeah I think there was a bug for that though [11:44] the "ubuntu to use its own windowing system!" nonsense in the tech press suggests wayland without weston [11:45] popey, all working... so i guess it was the software update [11:45] ? [11:48] all working okay? [11:48] yeah [11:48] \o/ [11:48] huzzah [11:48] :s \o/ [11:48] thanks a lot [11:48] * popey celebrates with coffee [11:48] np [11:53] I don't know how but guest additions works without me installing it manually on an ubuntu livecd [12:04] anyone know if the global menu is here to stay? === Esther is now known as esther [12:06] all i can find on google is stuff saying it'll become optional in 12.04 [12:07] i dunno tbh [12:08] global menu? [12:08] the appleism, where the file etc menu are at the top of the screen, not on the window that owns it [12:08] makes focus-follows-mouse impossible [12:10] I hope it stays, makes sense with unity [12:10] yeah, i miss focus follows mouse, a bit [12:10] I tend to just full screen everything these days [12:12] alt-middle click is handy [12:12] (on the title bar) [12:12] pushes to the back of the stack [12:14] cautiously avoiding a debate about it... it's about time it was optional... [12:14] ;o [12:15] but i guess we must resort to hacks [12:15] global menu as opposed to each window having its own menus [12:17] I could never get on with focus follows mouse [12:17] because I would often bat my mouse away and type [12:17] nor i [12:17] only to find my password was being typed in to my irc session [12:17] that's an extreme example [12:18] it happened though right? ;) [12:18] I like that I can scroll without focus though [12:18] nah, not really, but it could [12:18] did to me :o [12:25] popey: is maliit really a big issue?does it do something wonderful that isn't done by the accessibility keyboard? [12:32] + [12:38] davmor2: "the accessibility keyboard"? [12:38] onboard? [12:39] popey: yeah sorry I keep forgetting it's not the a11y keyboard [12:39] popey: does maliit bring better [12:40] popey: as far as I can tell on the n7 onboard is a little sluggish but fairly usable [12:47] dunno about performance, not compared them [12:47] but maliit has some features onboard doesn't (and likely never will have) [12:49] maliit's mallet http://www.cutebitz.com/images/products/mallets_mallet2.png [12:52] popey: ah okay [13:04] maliit is a keyboard like you would get n a real smartphone [13:04] ☺ [13:05] onboard is like what you get on windows 95 on screen keyboard [13:05] swipe was based on maliit [13:05] and i _think_ maliit is the keyboard which shipped on the N9 [13:06] hmm, when i paste an image from t'internet into a libreoffice impress, it goes from transparent to black background [13:06] annoying [13:07] can you override that? [13:08] popey: This isn't for Impress specifically but it may work? http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1035/paste-unformatted-text-default-option/ [13:12] thats for text [13:12] this is an image === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad [13:18] popey: libreoffice still java based if so then it might be that the default install is missing a java plugin that makes it work, I could be way off though. [13:22] I thought they'd stopped using Java, but I might be wrong. [13:23] help.libreoffice.org seems down [13:25] It's not just you! http://help.libreoffice.org looks down from here. [13:26] popey: [13:26] looks like a bug [13:26] just convert transparent image to fixed bg in gimp, and then paste that [13:26] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-bugs/2012-January/034028.html [13:27] yeah, thats what I'm doing now ☹ [13:27] if transparent worked properly, why would they make default do something completely pointless and then force you to override it? except for the obvious "because that's how open source software works" [13:28] ooh libre office 4 has unity integration \o/ [13:29] so does it work if you open transparent bg from a file instead of pasting it? [13:29] or does libreoffice just not support transparent images at all? [13:30] no [13:30] tried both [13:48] Dave2, OOo Base uses Java stuff. I don't think the rest of it does [13:48] i.e. the standard DB connectivity in OOo Base is via a JDBC layer [13:54] does anyone know if there's a way to save and restore a set of tabbed terminals in the same window, including their labels and PWDs? On 12.04 or 12.10 Unity. [13:54] I'm getting fed up of having to set them up every time [14:12] einonm: you can do this with GNU Screen, but using windows inside a single terminal. [14:12] 'windows' in the sense Screen switches between them [14:15] * einonm searches for gnu screen [14:16] dwatkins: thanks, I'll give it a go [14:17] einonm: it's incredibly powerful, I use it all the time (although some say I should switch to tmux by now), you can setup status lines and populate the windows with specific apps at startup. [14:18] Cool. Not to bothered about apps, just the PWD being set [14:19] how so, einonm? [14:20] you mean you want to start a shell but cd to a particular directory before doing anything else, automatically? [14:20] I use cmdln things like vim/git/make, not really one app per window [14:21] dwatkins: yes, exactly [14:21] should be easy enough to setup in the .screenrc [14:21] screen -t git cd /my/git/directory [14:21] screen -t vi cd /my/vi/directory [14:21] -t for the title of that windw [14:22] I'm sure there are plenty of tutorials on switching between screen windows by now. [14:24] sure, I'll have a go. I had hoped it would be easy with the default gnome-terminal, but it looks to be vastly underpowered compared to the old gnome-terminal, where you could set the title and geometry up [14:27] I stopped using GUI functionality like this when I realised I much prefer fullscreening the terminal - probably something to do with the fact I just started using a BBC Micro again as a toy ;) [14:28] einonm: gnome-terminal --tab --working-directory /tmp --tab --working-directory /home [14:30] also -t "tab title" and -e "command to run in tab" [14:30] with that you can do everything you want [14:31] I've managed to start a session with the right number of tabs and correct PWD's, using the --save-config option, but the titles still aren't set [14:32] getting loads of different crazy random bugs with chromium unity webapps, stuff like clicking the launcher icon brings up a bogus chromium icon so there are two icons pointing to the same app, chromium proper stops being able to visit new pages when the webapp is open, sometimes the webapp is open, but the launcher says it isn't, and another click will reopen it. [14:33] einonm: you need to go into profile prefs, and make a profile that doesn't allow commands to change the title [14:33] then select that profile for the tab [14:33] is this normal? i hate that i feel like i have to ask that, but it seems "stable" is more like beta with ubuntu these days :( [14:34] Adriannom: mismatch between icons and windows is normal for any dock, whether webapps are involved or not [14:34] ... but... it seems pretty fundamental to my usage of the computer... [14:35] yeah [14:35] this is why docks are fundamentally broken [14:35] is there a fix? [14:35] stop using unity [14:36] and don't switch to any of the following: OS X, gnome-shell, docky (plank) [14:37] which would you rate? [14:37] i dunno [14:38] if you want a simple install xubuntu is the best option at the moment [14:38] even though sound is broken ootb [14:38] i didn't get on with xfce as much as gnome 2. mate looks good [14:39] MATE isn't available on ubuntu unless you go to a PPA [14:39] been using xubuntu for ages before i just gave unity another shot [14:39] and it isn't compatible with indicators [14:39] so it doesn't operate like gnome 2 used to in say, 10.04 [14:39] indicators? notification tray stuff or? [14:39] yes [14:39] ugh... [14:40] and i suppose i can't have gnome 2? [14:40] basically you will get the panel, and you'll have to rely on tray applets from 4 years ago that don't work properly [14:40] MATE is the same as having gnome 2 [14:40] right [14:40] that's the problem: all indicators were ported to gnome 3 [14:40] MATE is still gnome 2 (gtk2) [14:40] XFCE has same problem actually [14:41] for now you can actually install gnome fallback and it is mostly like gnome 2 except using gtk3 [14:41] however gnome developers have decided to stop maintaining it [14:41] gnome fallback seemed a but primitive interface-wise [14:41] it does everything gnome 2 did [14:41] it's the same code base in fact [14:42] oh, when i tried i couldn't get the toolbars to be sensible. maybe my error [14:42] you have to press windows+alt+right click on toolbars [14:42] instead jus right clicking [14:42] right, thanks :) [14:42] this is better, it means no more accidents [14:43] although not maintained isn't good, i will just have to go through this again when everything breaks [14:43] yes [14:43] i'm sure someone will pick it up [14:43] but as of today linux desktop is a mess of half finished new stuff and unmaintained old stuff [14:43] so basically business as usual [14:44] so my choices are the same as they were several releases ago for ubuntu... if you want an os that works, fo. [14:44] ;o [14:44] hmm... it's more like your choices are the same as they were before ubuntu existed [14:44] you can choose gnome which is so simplified that it is non-functional [14:45] return to windows you mean? ;) [14:45] or KDE that has so much crap you can't find anything [14:45] it's actually tempting ;) [14:45] or some weird "other" that doesn't really work and has strange design goals that few people understand [14:45] yeah [14:45] everything was flakey [14:46] and you're right... we're back to flakey [14:46] popey: woo \o/ [14:46] maybe consort desktop will save us [14:46] but i think they'll struggle to get enough backing/support/userbase to really keep the project going [14:47] http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html wow, someone talks alot. [14:47] maybe another distro [14:48] consort basically is another distro [14:48] ohh [14:48] being as it is, created for solusOS (yeah i never heard of it either) [14:49] heh [14:49] other interesting numbers on that page, is also interesting. [14:50] but i guess consort is young yet [14:50] what other distros aren't rubbish? arch? fedora? [14:50] they all have significant problems [14:51] fedora is overrun with lennart rubbish [14:51] arch users are annoying [14:51] debian developers are annoying [14:51] slackware is stuck in 1998 [14:51] take your pick [14:51] lol [14:51] everything sucks, pick the one that sucks the least for you [14:51] :) [14:52] indeed [14:52] when good ui becomes nostalgia... a sad time [14:53] why are arch users annoying? [14:54] well go to #arch and idle for a while [14:54] if you don't get annoyed, arch may be for you [14:54] good plan [14:54] i could probably handle annoying users [14:55] maybe it was a bad day [14:55] as long as i could actually do shit on my pc [14:55] *stuff [14:55] Adriannom: so let me get this right, you're looking at different distros because webapps are broken? [14:55] but last time i visited it was wall to wall toilet humour and 12 year olds showing off [14:56] popey: why is that unreasonable? [14:56] i didnt say it's unreasonable, just a leap [14:56] and one you seem to always encourage in here [14:56] given that feature can be uninstalled / disabled [14:56] if the distro i'm using has a stated goal of putting disproportionate amounts of work into software that i don't use, and also *still* can't make it work, why would i want to continue to use it? [14:56] popey, that's not right no, it's one of many things i don't like about unity that can't be fixed [14:56] also, the problem as stated doesn't just affect web apps [14:57] ok, fair enough Adriannom [14:57] i only saw you state webapps issues.. carry on [14:57] it affects everything under unity [14:57] and xcfe was annoying me, and there are no other options [14:57] popey, ya, partial context :P [14:57] just depressing that's all [14:57] anyway nothing wrong with looking at different distros. i concluded all the others were even worse though, that's why i'm still here [14:58] no, nothing wrong with shopping around, of course [14:58] just wanted to make sure there wasn't some fixable thing [14:58] e.g. the nvidia issue earlier might have led some to switch distro [14:58] what issue was that? [14:58] if you can fix ubuntu to only release stable things that would be what is needed ;o [14:58] this morning Adriannom had a problem with the wrong nvidia driver being loaded [14:58] ah ok [14:59] nah that stuff is basic linux troubles [14:59] yeah, but some people go "ooh, black screen, switch distro time" [14:59] yeah, design flaws are much worse problem [14:59] but anyway, this is not that ☺ [14:59] clearly not even the most insane UX team would design a system to intentionally show nothing but a black screen forever [15:00] you'll never see me suggesting distro switch for a legit bug like that :) [15:00] just all the other cases ;) [15:00] i kid [15:00] i'm actually really fond of ubuntu, but i think it's more that kind of fondness you have for someone you don't love anymore after they started drinking and beating the kids... [15:00] first you have to fully understand the problem [15:01] i.e. just a memory [15:01] if you found the bug cause and then the distro refused to fix it, i would advocate changing distro [15:01] but that's a different problem [15:01] Adriannom: LOL [15:03]