| Squirm | fp | 04:52 |
|---|---|---|
| barrydk | Good morning all | 05:28 |
| magespawn | good morning | 05:55 |
| magespawn | inetpro is jy ook n "Oom"? | 06:37 |
| Tonberry | tegnies is ek al 'n oom so ek dink nie rerig dit beteken veel nie | 06:47 |
| magespawn | <inetpro> magespawn: well you are still young anyway | 06:55 |
| magespawn | just looking for context | 06:55 |
| Kilos | morning all | 07:01 |
| Kilos | stupid unity lost nm-applet and i forgot the command to put in startup apps | 07:02 |
| Kilos | grrr | 07:02 |
| Kilos | so im quasselled here | 07:02 |
| Kilos | Maaz: google how to add nm-applet to startup apps in 12.04 | 07:15 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "12.04 - Why does the network icon disappear on every reboot? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/184657/why-does-the-network-icon-disappear-on-every-reboot :: "12.04 - Network manager indicator missing - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/159812/network-manager-indicator-missing :: "[other] LXDE Ubuntu wireless - Ubuntu Forums" | 07:15 |
| Maaz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144398 :: "Bug #1006141 “nm-applet system tray drop-down men… | 07:15 |
| magespawn | morning Kilos | 07:20 |
| Kilos | hi there magespawn | 07:20 |
| Kilos | all good there lad? | 07:21 |
| deegee_1 | hi oom Kilos | 07:22 |
| Kilos | hi deegee_1 | 07:22 |
| deegee_1 | & good morning all | 07:23 |
| magespawn | yup all good Kilos. apart from nm, all good there? | 07:29 |
| magespawn | hi deegee_1 | 07:29 |
| Kilos | ya it did it when 12.04 first came out and now again suddenly | 07:30 |
| Kilos | methinks crackers caught me | 07:30 |
| Kilos | why else will it do that if it worked last night | 07:30 |
| Kilos | anyway ian scores. his 500g kde is updated/upgraded | 07:31 |
| deegee_1 | can one do " sudo aptitude groupinstall <packagegroup>"? | 07:38 |
| Kilos | deegee_1: what kinda group? | 07:59 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 08:00 |
| Kilos | not dependancies kinda group? | 08:00 |
| Kilos | lo inetpro | 08:00 |
| deegee_1 | Kilos: e.g "virtualization" group | 08:00 |
| Kilos | forgot why i pinged you | 08:00 |
| inetpro | magespawn: haha, I'm still a youngster man | 08:00 |
| inetpro | and always a newbie | 08:00 |
| deegee_1 | instead of installing "lib-virt", "virt-manager" separately.... | 08:02 |
| Kilos | you can do the aptitude and leave a space between them and it will do all | 08:04 |
| Kilos | hi jr | 08:05 |
| Kilos | grr | 08:06 |
| Kilos | aw my tab dont work with jrgns | 08:06 |
| tonberryE352 | ok so new kde release hit the backports | 08:06 |
| Kilos | hi tonberryE352 | 08:07 |
| tonberryE352 | anyone else using icon only task manger with the air style? | 08:07 |
| tonberryE352 | hi Kilos | 08:07 |
| Kilos | works with you | 08:07 |
| Kilos | weird | 08:07 |
| inetpro | Kilos: he left | 08:07 |
| tonberryE352 | except for the air sillyness | 08:07 |
| inetpro | lol | 08:07 |
| tonberryE352 | no longer draws borders around running programs | 08:08 |
| tonberryE352 | so if you use unity line shortcuts in your taskmanger | 08:08 |
| tonberryE352 | you have no way of telling if a program is running or a shortcut | 08:08 |
| Kilos | isnt anyone gonna help deegee_1 ? | 08:23 |
| Kilos | hi jrgns | 08:27 |
| Kilos | wb | 08:27 |
| deegee_1 | no stress oom, i noticed it's not possible to that type of a command exceptt on rhel systems | 08:33 |
| deegee_1 | Kilos: tnx | 08:33 |
| Kilos | oh my deegee_1 is that good enough? | 08:33 |
| Kilos | i thought maybe someone had a better way | 08:33 |
| deegee_1 | :-) | 08:34 |
| * deegee_1 will use the ordinary way with spaces | 08:34 | |
| deegee_1 | s/exceptt/except | 08:35 |
| jrgns | Hi Kilos, all | 08:38 |
| inetpro | uh, what is deegee_1's problem? | 08:51 |
| Kilos | he wants to install a group of packages at a time with aptitude | 08:52 |
| inetpro | hmm.... | 08:53 |
| inetpro | typically in dpkg you will find packages that are grouped together as virtual packages | 08:54 |
| deegee_1 | inetpro: you mean like "dpkg groupinstall <package>" or "dpkg groupsearch <package>"? | 08:55 |
| inetpro | like aptitude show kubuntu-desktop | 08:55 |
| inetpro | you just install kubuntu-desktop and it will take xcare of the rest of the dependancies | 08:56 |
| inetpro | dependencies as well | 08:56 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: dpkg-query -p | 08:56 |
| inetpro | s/xcare/care/ | 08:56 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: FWIW, those aren't virtual packages, they are meta-packages | 08:58 |
| tumbleweed | virtual packages are packages like mail-transport-agent, that don't actually exist | 08:58 |
| tumbleweed | but are provided by a bunch of MTAs | 08:58 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: true | 08:58 |
| * inetpro took a bad example | 08:58 | |
| inetpro | deegee_1: are you comparing with Redhat groupinstall? | 08:58 |
| deegee_1 | nope. | 08:59 |
| tumbleweed | is tasksel maybe closer to what you want? | 08:59 |
| inetpro | deegee_1: where do you get the idea? | 08:59 |
| inetpro | or perhaps I even gave the wrong impression that virtual packages are the same as groupinstall as found on RedHat | 09:00 |
| * inetpro is not even sure what groupinstall is supposed to do | 09:01 | |
| deegee_1 | tumbleweed: i think that is very close, will give it try | 09:01 |
| inetpro | I just find debian package management to be years ahead of rpm based packaging | 09:01 |
| tumbleweed | deegee_1: in practice, we have meta-packages in the archive, for each task | 09:01 |
| inetpro | some years ago rpm was a dependency nightmare | 09:02 |
| inetpro | but with yum I'm sure a lot of that has been addressed | 09:03 |
| tumbleweed | before there were high level RPM tools, yeah | 09:03 |
| inetpro | or rather since yum | 09:03 |
| * tumbleweed jumped ship to Debian when urpmi (is that rigth?) was still horrible, nad pre-yum | 09:03 | |
| inetpro | deegee_1: anyway, what group of packages would you like to see or install? | 09:05 |
| deegee_1 | inetpro: "Virtualization" specifically | 09:06 |
| deegee_1 | to install as a group with 1 command | 09:07 |
| inetpro | btw, tumbleweed is our resident package management guru | 09:07 |
| tumbleweed | there aren't any meta-packages for that, I'm afraid | 09:07 |
| tumbleweed | I mean, there are multiple competing virtualization solutions in Ubuntu | 09:08 |
| tumbleweed | so, there's nothing to install them all | 09:08 |
| inetpro | deegee_1: what is it that you would typically see as being part of a virtualisation meta-package? | 09:08 |
| deegee_1 | tumbleweed: ok. will try "virtualization machine host" as listed on tasksel | 09:08 |
| tumbleweed | I think that'll get yuo libvirt stuff | 09:09 |
| deegee_1 | ok. will that include virt-manager? | 09:10 |
| inetpro | deegee_1: where do you find "virtualization machine host" ? | 09:10 |
| tumbleweed | that's the virt-mgmt set | 09:11 |
| tumbleweed | ubuntu-virt-mgmt | 09:11 |
| deegee_1 | inetpro: on tasksel | 09:11 |
| inetpro | ai! | 09:11 |
| * inetpro has never used tasksel | 09:11 | |
| inetpro | is that a gui package manager? | 09:12 |
| tumbleweed | no | 09:12 |
| tumbleweed | you'll see it at the end of an install | 09:12 |
| tumbleweed | you'll also see tasks in aptitude | 09:13 |
| inetpro | interesting | 09:13 |
| * inetpro simply sticking with aptitude | 09:14 | |
| inetpro | don't fix what ain't broke | 09:14 |
| tumbleweed | aptitude went through a bad broken patch with multiarch, but... :) | 09:15 |
| deegee_1 | so, ubuntu uses KVM or qemu-kvm for virtualization? | 09:15 |
| tumbleweed | sure, but you have other choices too | 09:15 |
| tumbleweed | LXC | 09:15 |
| tumbleweed | Xen | 09:15 |
| tumbleweed | VirtualBox | 09:16 |
| inetpro | and you typically just install one of those in Ubuntu and it will take care of dependencies | 09:17 |
| inetpro | no need for groupinstall | 09:17 |
| inetpro | or am I jumping the gun? | 09:17 |
| inetpro | so tumbleweed you use tasksel in stead of aptitude? | 09:18 |
| Kilos | http://go2linux.garron.me/using-tasksel-on-ubuntu-LAMP-switch-to-Kubuntu-Xubuntu | 09:22 |
| * Kilos looks too | 09:22 | |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: no, I never use tasksel :) | 09:24 |
| tumbleweed | there are only a handful of tasks, and so they aren't very useful when you know which packages you want | 09:24 |
| inetpro | ahh | 09:25 |
| deegee_1 | tumbleweed: thanks | 09:31 |
| * deegee_1 sees the light ... | 09:32 | |
| magespawn | https://twitter.com/Earth_Pics/status/299442664653332482/photo/1 | 09:37 |
| magespawn | awesome | 09:37 |
| Kilos | aw | 09:39 |
| Kilos | where maaz | 09:39 |
| Kilos | hope the crashkid is upgrading him | 09:39 |
| tumbleweed | naah, the that runs it server died | 09:40 |
| Kilos | aw | 09:41 |
| Kilos | we gotta influence him some tumbleweed . QA is so much better | 09:41 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: huh? | 09:41 |
| inetpro | ahh... | 09:41 |
| * inetpro is slow today | 09:41 | |
| Kilos | smoother | 09:42 |
| Kilos | today?? | 09:42 |
| inetpro | Kilos: oops, sorry Kilos | 09:42 |
| * inetpro is always slow | 09:42 | |
| inetpro | Kilos: waar's daai nickname van jou? | 09:42 |
| Kilos | lol watter ene | 09:43 |
| inetpro | lmga | 09:43 |
| inetpro | maa[tab]: coffee on | 09:44 |
| inetpro | now I can't even have coffee to give me a boost | 09:44 |
| Kilos | yeah | 09:46 |
| * Kilos cries cause im on kde and not QA here | 09:46 | |
| Kilos | s/not/no | 09:47 |
| Kilos | i go try get nm-applet in unity back | 09:48 |
| Kilos | grrr at times i get so angry with 12.04 | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | heh | 12:43 |
| Kilos | cant see modem after 4 installs | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | I just ordered 6 5 meter fiber cables | 12:43 |
| Kilos | hi Symmetria | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | and after I saw the price | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | I feel like I got buttraped :( | 12:43 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | and that was picking from the cheapest price I could find anywhere | 12:43 |
| Kilos | nothing is cheap | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | *27 THOUSAND RAND* for 6 5 meter cables | 12:44 |
| Kilos | ouch | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | kilos they are 500 DOLLARS EACH | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | ;p screw blown fiber, that should be called blowme fiber | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | and should gimme a free bj when I order it | 12:44 |
| Kilos | arent there local suppliers | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | heh no, no one in country has the equipment to make those | 12:44 |
| Kilos | why not start a sideline business making them then | 12:45 |
| Symmetria | lol the fiber polishing machine to make those leads costs multi-million | 12:45 |
| Kilos | where does telkom get their optic fibre cables | 12:45 |
| Symmetria | heh those are normal fiber | 12:45 |
| Kilos | ah | 12:46 |
| Symmetria | those are like, 200 bux for a 10 meter (rand) | 12:46 |
| Kilos | well if lotsa peeps gonna be using those you need it might pay in the long run to start making them | 12:47 |
| Kilos | at those prices you can get your multi millions back inna few years | 12:48 |
| Kilos | tumbleweed, are iso's the same for 12.04 now as when it was released? or have fixes been added | 12:59 |
| Kilos | the downloadable ones i mean | 13:00 |
| tumbleweed | no, 12.04.1 is out | 13:00 |
| tumbleweed | and 12.04.2 is coming soon | 13:00 |
| Kilos | soon? | 13:01 |
| tumbleweed | Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 13:01 |
| Kilos | im tired of battling with this 3g modem prob | 13:01 |
| Kilos | ty tumbleweed | 13:01 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what makes you assume that a 2nd, a 3rd and a fourth install will be different to the first? | 13:06 |
| Kilos | thats been the prob every time inetpro i have to plug and unplug and connect modem at different times to get it working | 13:07 |
| inetpro | ai! | 13:07 |
| Kilos | had to unplug before rebooting before | 13:07 |
| Kilos | thewn plug after boot and it sees it | 13:08 |
| Kilos | but not this time | 13:08 |
| Kilos | yeah sounds weird i know but thats how i got it working before | 13:08 |
| inetpro | as far as my memory goes when I had trouble with something like this, many years ago, you had to have the device plugged in during installation for it to be detected | 13:09 |
| inetpro | but that was with older distros | 13:10 |
| Kilos | yes thats right. but here sometimes it must be plugged in when install says reboot now to complete upgrade | 13:10 |
| Kilos | then connect it and unplug and boot then plug | 13:10 |
| Kilos | only way i got it working before | 13:11 |
| Kilos | maverick sees and connects with no probs at all and auto connects | 13:11 |
| inetpro | but anyway, you should be able to resolve the problem without a re-install | 13:11 |
| Kilos | i searched the net but tired now | 13:11 |
| Kilos | gonna use fone to get sakis3g for now | 13:12 |
| Kilos | i have run lsusb and usb-devices and its there | 13:13 |
| Kilos | i dont think modeswitch is working properly even though i have completely update/upgraded | 13:15 |
| Kilos | grrr | 13:15 |
| * inetpro would get a decent modem/phone | 13:16 | |
| Kilos | man it works perfect on maverick so where is the prob | 13:17 |
| Kilos | installed new maverick this week | 13:17 |
| Kilos | lotsa peeps sukkeled with 120.04 | 13:18 |
| Kilos | 12.04 too | 13:18 |
| Kilos | i wont live that long | 13:18 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yes but you have a particular finicky phone/modem | 13:23 |
| Kilos | yes i know inetpro but the price of a new modem can rather get better pc hardware not so | 13:24 |
| Kilos | 3g modem | 13:24 |
| Kilos | arab one | 13:24 |
| inetpro | you still need a decent modem even if you have a decent PC | 13:25 |
| Kilos | maybe i must setup maverick to let this pc share 3g | 13:25 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:25 |
| Kilos | no man its 12.04 thats finicky not the modem | 13:25 |
| Kilos | ek sukkel met my volk partykeer jong | 13:27 |
| Kilos | ha feb 14th is 12.04.2 time | 13:29 |
| Kilos | hopefully they fixed it by then or more data wasted | 13:30 |
| Kilos | Trix[a]r_za, ping | 14:24 |
| Kilos | sakis3g is down. do you know wassup | 14:25 |
| Squirm | he uses a bnc | 14:25 |
| Squirm | so he isn't notified when you do that cause he isn't just idle | 14:25 |
| Squirm | but he should get it later :P | 14:25 |
| Kilos | ah ty Squirm | 14:26 |
| Kilos | hehe ubuntu-mexico is following us on twitter | 14:34 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ^^ | 14:34 |
| inetpro | uh? | 14:34 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:38 |
| Kilos | go home man you too tired to think even | 14:39 |
| Kilos | was your idea the twitter thing | 14:40 |
| Kilos | yo henkj | 14:52 |
| henkj | hi kilos | 14:52 |
| Squirm | hello henkj | 15:01 |
| henkj | hey Squirm | 15:01 |
| Squirm | long time | 15:01 |
| magespawn | later all | 16:21 |
| Vince-0 | sup ubuntu-za peeps | 17:07 |
| inetpro | Vince-0: nothing | 18:34 |
| smile | hi :) | 18:40 |
| Squirm | hi | 18:40 |
| deegee_1 | konbanwa o/ | 18:43 |
| Vince-0 | darned PC froze | 18:45 |
| Squirm | windows does that | 18:46 |
| Vince-0 | yes! especially when playing Battlefield3 | 18:49 |
| Vince-0 | otherwise I'd be in some KDE type environment | 18:50 |
| Kilos | grrrr | 18:57 |
| Kilos | time to get a decent modem inetpro ???? | 18:57 |
| inetpro | welcome back Kilos | 18:58 |
| Kilos | its 12.04 thats faulty | 18:58 |
| Kilos | ty sir | 18:58 |
| Kilos | 12.10 running here now but not upgraded | 18:58 |
| Kilos | np with modem | 18:58 |
| Kilos | julle stry met die engelsman ne | 18:59 |
| Kilos | i may be stupid but im not a fool | 18:59 |
| Kilos | hi drussell | 19:04 |
| Kilos | i dont like the windows shading fading whatever they do here | 19:05 |
| Kilos | inetpro, se tog iets man sodat ek kan hoor bloep die ding of nie | 19:06 |
| Kilos | oh ya | 19:06 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ai! | 19:06 |
| Kilos | Maaz, hi | 19:06 |
| Maaz | Howzit Kilos | 19:06 |
| Kilos | ai! niks | 19:06 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:06 |
| Kilos | maybe an upgrade will sort it. but thats night surfer data | 19:07 |
| inetpro | Kilos: so you gonna stay awake? | 19:09 |
| Kilos | i dont have a choice if i want to update sir | 19:09 |
| Kilos | this thing is slow | 19:09 |
| Kilos | lol and keeps saying cant mount floppy | 19:11 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:11 |
| inetpro | Kilos: sorry but I won't make it tonight | 19:29 |
| Kilos | what ?? | 19:29 |
| inetpro | battery absolutely flat after this mornings happenings | 19:29 |
| Kilos | np inetpro go sleep oompie | 19:30 |
| Kilos | i dont need help i think | 19:30 |
| Kilos | not yet anyway | 19:30 |
| inetpro | lol | 19:30 |
| inetpro | at least you can be around here when others need help | 19:30 |
| Kilos | but apologise for saying my modem scrap | 19:30 |
| inetpro | ai! Sorry Oom. | 19:30 |
| Kilos | lol im more lost than they are | 19:30 |
| smile | bye :) | 19:30 |
| inetpro | but I would still get a better modem/phone | 19:31 |
| Kilos | ok vergewe is jy | 19:31 |
| Kilos | sonder gif | 19:31 |
| smile | Kilos: good night | 19:31 |
| smile | inetpro: good night ;) | 19:31 |
| Kilos | toods smile | 19:31 |
| inetpro | goeie nag smile | 19:31 |
| Kilos | inetpro, you too cheeky | 19:31 |
| smile | dankie inetpro | 19:32 |
| inetpro | sorry oom | 19:32 |
| Kilos | better pc ya but modem works | 19:32 |
| Kilos | can do 7.2 m/s | 19:32 |
| Kilos | faster than 8ta | 19:32 |
| Kilos | evening superfly | 19:33 |
| Kilos | hi cocooncrash | 19:33 |
| Squirm | weekend! | 19:34 |
| Squirm | is not here yet | 19:34 |
| Kilos | no man one more day | 19:34 |
| Squirm | I can't believe I'm still doing the Mile on Sunday :/ | 19:35 |
| Kilos | midmar? | 19:35 |
| Kilos | ill look for you on the idiot box | 19:35 |
| Squirm | yeah | 19:35 |
| Kilos | wave hey Squirm | 19:36 |
| Squirm | I don't move fast enough to make a wave | 19:36 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:36 |
| Kilos | swim freestyle then backstroke every now and again and ill watch | 19:37 |
| Squirm | I'll pass on the backstroke | 19:37 |
| Kilos | butterfly? | 19:38 |
| Squirm | :O | 19:38 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:38 |
| Squirm | I don't know if I'll make it, let alone swimming butterfly | 19:38 |
| Kilos | i thought you can swim | 19:38 |
| Squirm | most people can swim | 19:38 |
| Squirm | :P | 19:38 |
| Kilos | yes man you can breaststroke when tired or even doggy paddle | 19:38 |
| Squirm | and I used to be a swimmer. but I haven't done any training what-so-ever and the last swim I did was 3 years ago | 19:38 |
| Squirm | and they go and seed me in the SECOND group! | 19:39 |
| Kilos | ouch | 19:39 |
| Squirm | I'm going to be left behind | 19:39 |
| Kilos | np finishing is all that counts when you old and unfit | 19:39 |
| Squirm | lol | 19:39 |
| Squirm | I'm hoping for a 35 | 19:40 |
| Kilos | shouldnt be a prob you play lotsa squash so should still be fit | 19:41 |
| Kilos | as long as the breath lasts you fine | 19:41 |
| Kilos | breathe | 19:41 |
| Kilos | breath | 19:41 |
| Squirm | lol | 19:42 |
| Squirm | I swam 1km about 3 weeks ago | 19:42 |
| Squirm | I died | 19:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:42 |
| Squirm | now this is 1.6km, without any walls, with like 500+ people pushing water against you | 19:42 |
| Kilos | paddle | 19:42 |
| Kilos | and hit the outside | 19:43 |
| Kilos | at least there are no sharks | 19:43 |
| Squirm | however I do it, I'm going to die | 19:43 |
| Squirm | but are you sure there are no crocs? | 19:43 |
| Kilos | ya they all eaten | 19:43 |
| Squirm | the people that discovered the crocs or the crocs? | 19:44 |
| Kilos | lol the crocs | 19:44 |
| Kilos | anything thats free gets eaten | 19:44 |
| Kilos | there used to be some further downstream | 19:45 |
| Squirm | they're everywhere | 19:47 |
| Kilos | yo simeon | 19:48 |
| superfly | *yawn* | 20:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:01 |
| Kilos | go sleep superfly | 20:06 |
| superfly | I need to relax first | 20:06 |
| Kilos | ow | 20:07 |
| Kilos | wbb at 11pm to get update/upgrade | 20:13 |
| superfly | 'night | 20:50 |
| zeref | yawn | 22:14 |
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