[04:52] fp [05:28] Good morning all [05:55] good morning [06:37] inetpro is jy ook n "Oom"? [06:47] tegnies is ek al 'n oom so ek dink nie rerig dit beteken veel nie [06:55] magespawn: well you are still young anyway [06:55] just looking for context [07:01] morning all [07:02] stupid unity lost nm-applet and i forgot the command to put in startup apps [07:02] grrr [07:02] so im quasselled here [07:15] Maaz: google how to add nm-applet to startup apps in 12.04 [07:15] Kilos: "12.04 - Why does the network icon disappear on every reboot? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/184657/why-does-the-network-icon-disappear-on-every-reboot :: "12.04 - Network manager indicator missing - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/159812/network-manager-indicator-missing :: "[other] LXDE Ubuntu wireless - Ubuntu Forums" [07:15] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144398 :: "Bug #1006141 “nm-applet system tray drop-down men… [07:20] morning Kilos [07:20] hi there magespawn [07:21] all good there lad? [07:22] hi oom Kilos [07:22] hi deegee_1 [07:23] & good morning all [07:29] yup all good Kilos. apart from nm, all good there? [07:29] hi deegee_1 [07:30] ya it did it when 12.04 first came out and now again suddenly [07:30] methinks crackers caught me [07:30] why else will it do that if it worked last night [07:31] anyway ian scores. his 500g kde is updated/upgraded [07:38] can one do " sudo aptitude groupinstall "? [07:59] deegee_1: what kinda group? [08:00] good mornings [08:00] not dependancies kinda group? [08:00] lo inetpro [08:00] Kilos: e.g "virtualization" group [08:00] forgot why i pinged you [08:00] magespawn: haha, I'm still a youngster man [08:00] and always a newbie [08:02] instead of installing "lib-virt", "virt-manager" separately.... [08:04] you can do the aptitude and leave a space between them and it will do all [08:05] hi jr [08:06] grr [08:06] aw my tab dont work with jrgns [08:06] ok so new kde release hit the backports [08:07] hi tonberryE352 [08:07] anyone else using icon only task manger with the air style? [08:07] hi Kilos [08:07] works with you [08:07] weird [08:07] Kilos: he left [08:07] except for the air sillyness [08:07] lol [08:08] no longer draws borders around running programs [08:08] so if you use unity line shortcuts in your taskmanger [08:08] you have no way of telling if a program is running or a shortcut [08:23] isnt anyone gonna help deegee_1 ? [08:27] hi jrgns [08:27] wb [08:33] no stress oom, i noticed it's not possible to that type of a command exceptt on rhel systems [08:33] Kilos: tnx [08:33] oh my deegee_1 is that good enough? [08:33] i thought maybe someone had a better way [08:34] :-) [08:34] * deegee_1 will use the ordinary way with spaces [08:35] s/exceptt/except [08:38] Hi Kilos, all [08:51] uh, what is deegee_1's problem? [08:52] he wants to install a group of packages at a time with aptitude [08:53] hmm.... [08:54] typically in dpkg you will find packages that are grouped together as virtual packages [08:55] inetpro: you mean like "dpkg groupinstall " or "dpkg groupsearch "? [08:55] like aptitude show kubuntu-desktop [08:56] you just install kubuntu-desktop and it will take xcare of the rest of the dependancies [08:56] dependencies as well [08:56] inetpro: dpkg-query -p [08:56] s/xcare/care/ [08:58] inetpro: FWIW, those aren't virtual packages, they are meta-packages [08:58] virtual packages are packages like mail-transport-agent, that don't actually exist [08:58] but are provided by a bunch of MTAs [08:58] tumbleweed: true [08:58] * inetpro took a bad example [08:58] deegee_1: are you comparing with Redhat groupinstall? [08:59] nope. [08:59] is tasksel maybe closer to what you want? [08:59] deegee_1: where do you get the idea? [09:00] or perhaps I even gave the wrong impression that virtual packages are the same as groupinstall as found on RedHat [09:01] * inetpro is not even sure what groupinstall is supposed to do [09:01] tumbleweed: i think that is very close, will give it try [09:01] I just find debian package management to be years ahead of rpm based packaging [09:01] deegee_1: in practice, we have meta-packages in the archive, for each task [09:02] some years ago rpm was a dependency nightmare [09:03] but with yum I'm sure a lot of that has been addressed [09:03] before there were high level RPM tools, yeah [09:03] or rather since yum [09:03] * tumbleweed jumped ship to Debian when urpmi (is that rigth?) was still horrible, nad pre-yum [09:05] deegee_1: anyway, what group of packages would you like to see or install? [09:06] inetpro: "Virtualization" specifically [09:07] to install as a group with 1 command [09:07] btw, tumbleweed is our resident package management guru [09:07] there aren't any meta-packages for that, I'm afraid [09:08] I mean, there are multiple competing virtualization solutions in Ubuntu [09:08] so, there's nothing to install them all [09:08] deegee_1: what is it that you would typically see as being part of a virtualisation meta-package? [09:08] tumbleweed: ok. will try "virtualization machine host" as listed on tasksel [09:09] I think that'll get yuo libvirt stuff [09:10] ok. will that include virt-manager? [09:10] deegee_1: where do you find "virtualization machine host" ? [09:11] that's the virt-mgmt set [09:11] ubuntu-virt-mgmt [09:11] inetpro: on tasksel [09:11] ai! [09:11] * inetpro has never used tasksel [09:12] is that a gui package manager? [09:12] no [09:12] you'll see it at the end of an install [09:13] you'll also see tasks in aptitude [09:13] interesting [09:14] * inetpro simply sticking with aptitude [09:14] don't fix what ain't broke [09:15] aptitude went through a bad broken patch with multiarch, but... :) [09:15] so, ubuntu uses KVM or qemu-kvm for virtualization? [09:15] sure, but you have other choices too [09:15] LXC [09:15] Xen [09:16] VirtualBox [09:17] and you typically just install one of those in Ubuntu and it will take care of dependencies [09:17] no need for groupinstall [09:17] or am I jumping the gun? [09:18] so tumbleweed you use tasksel in stead of aptitude? [09:22] http://go2linux.garron.me/using-tasksel-on-ubuntu-LAMP-switch-to-Kubuntu-Xubuntu [09:22] * Kilos looks too [09:24] inetpro: no, I never use tasksel :) [09:24] there are only a handful of tasks, and so they aren't very useful when you know which packages you want [09:25] ahh [09:31] tumbleweed: thanks [09:32] * deegee_1 sees the light ... [09:37] https://twitter.com/Earth_Pics/status/299442664653332482/photo/1 [09:37] awesome [09:39] aw [09:39] where maaz [09:39] hope the crashkid is upgrading him [09:40] naah, the that runs it server died [09:41] aw [09:41] we gotta influence him some tumbleweed . QA is so much better [09:41] tumbleweed: huh? [09:41] ahh... [09:41] * inetpro is slow today [09:42] smoother [09:42] today?? [09:42] Kilos: oops, sorry Kilos [09:42] * inetpro is always slow [09:42] Kilos: waar's daai nickname van jou? [09:43] lol watter ene [09:43] lmga [09:44] maa[tab]: coffee on [09:44] now I can't even have coffee to give me a boost [09:46] yeah [09:46] * Kilos cries cause im on kde and not QA here [09:47] s/not/no [09:48] i go try get nm-applet in unity back [12:43] grrr at times i get so angry with 12.04 [12:43] heh [12:43] cant see modem after 4 installs [12:43] I just ordered 6 5 meter fiber cables [12:43] hi Symmetria [12:43] and after I saw the price [12:43] I feel like I got buttraped :( [12:43] lol [12:43] and that was picking from the cheapest price I could find anywhere [12:44] nothing is cheap [12:44] *27 THOUSAND RAND* for 6 5 meter cables [12:44] ouch [12:44] kilos they are 500 DOLLARS EACH [12:44] ;p screw blown fiber, that should be called blowme fiber [12:44] and should gimme a free bj when I order it [12:44] arent there local suppliers [12:44] heh no, no one in country has the equipment to make those [12:45] why not start a sideline business making them then [12:45] lol the fiber polishing machine to make those leads costs multi-million [12:45] where does telkom get their optic fibre cables [12:45] heh those are normal fiber [12:46] ah [12:46] those are like, 200 bux for a 10 meter (rand) [12:47] well if lotsa peeps gonna be using those you need it might pay in the long run to start making them [12:48] at those prices you can get your multi millions back inna few years [12:59] tumbleweed, are iso's the same for 12.04 now as when it was released? or have fixes been added [13:00] the downloadable ones i mean [13:00] no, 12.04.1 is out [13:00] and 12.04.2 is coming soon [13:01] soon? [13:01] Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [13:01] im tired of battling with this 3g modem prob [13:01] ty tumbleweed [13:06] Kilos: what makes you assume that a 2nd, a 3rd and a fourth install will be different to the first? [13:07] thats been the prob every time inetpro i have to plug and unplug and connect modem at different times to get it working [13:07] ai! [13:07] had to unplug before rebooting before [13:08] thewn plug after boot and it sees it [13:08] but not this time [13:08] yeah sounds weird i know but thats how i got it working before [13:09] as far as my memory goes when I had trouble with something like this, many years ago, you had to have the device plugged in during installation for it to be detected [13:10] but that was with older distros [13:10] yes thats right. but here sometimes it must be plugged in when install says reboot now to complete upgrade [13:10] then connect it and unplug and boot then plug [13:11] only way i got it working before [13:11] maverick sees and connects with no probs at all and auto connects [13:11] but anyway, you should be able to resolve the problem without a re-install [13:11] i searched the net but tired now [13:12] gonna use fone to get sakis3g for now [13:13] i have run lsusb and usb-devices and its there [13:15] i dont think modeswitch is working properly even though i have completely update/upgraded [13:15] grrr [13:16] * inetpro would get a decent modem/phone [13:17] man it works perfect on maverick so where is the prob [13:17] installed new maverick this week [13:18] lotsa peeps sukkeled with 120.04 [13:18] 12.04 too [13:18] i wont live that long [13:23] Kilos: yes but you have a particular finicky phone/modem [13:24] yes i know inetpro but the price of a new modem can rather get better pc hardware not so [13:24] 3g modem [13:24] arab one [13:25] you still need a decent modem even if you have a decent PC [13:25] maybe i must setup maverick to let this pc share 3g [13:25] lol [13:25] no man its 12.04 thats finicky not the modem [13:27] ek sukkel met my volk partykeer jong [13:29] ha feb 14th is 12.04.2 time [13:30] hopefully they fixed it by then or more data wasted [14:24] Trix[a]r_za, ping [14:25] sakis3g is down. do you know wassup [14:25] he uses a bnc [14:25] so he isn't notified when you do that cause he isn't just idle [14:25] but he should get it later :P [14:26] ah ty Squirm [14:34] hehe ubuntu-mexico is following us on twitter [14:34] inetpro, ^^ [14:34] uh? [14:38] lol [14:39] go home man you too tired to think even [14:40] was your idea the twitter thing [14:52] yo henkj [14:52] hi kilos [15:01] hello henkj [15:01] hey Squirm [15:01] long time [16:21] later all [17:07] sup ubuntu-za peeps [18:34] Vince-0: nothing [18:40] hi :) [18:40] hi [18:43] konbanwa o/ [18:45] darned PC froze [18:46] windows does that [18:49] yes! especially when playing Battlefield3 [18:50] otherwise I'd be in some KDE type environment [18:57] grrrr [18:57] time to get a decent modem inetpro ???? [18:58] welcome back Kilos [18:58] its 12.04 thats faulty [18:58] ty sir [18:58] 12.10 running here now but not upgraded [18:58] np with modem [18:59] julle stry met die engelsman ne [18:59] i may be stupid but im not a fool [19:04] hi drussell [19:05] i dont like the windows shading fading whatever they do here [19:06] inetpro, se tog iets man sodat ek kan hoor bloep die ding of nie [19:06] oh ya [19:06] Kilos: ai! [19:06] Maaz, hi [19:06] Howzit Kilos [19:06] ai! niks [19:06] oh my [19:07] maybe an upgrade will sort it. but thats night surfer data [19:09] Kilos: so you gonna stay awake? [19:09] i dont have a choice if i want to update sir [19:09] this thing is slow [19:11] lol and keeps saying cant mount floppy [19:11] hehe [19:29] Kilos: sorry but I won't make it tonight [19:29] what ?? [19:29] battery absolutely flat after this mornings happenings [19:30] np inetpro go sleep oompie [19:30] i dont need help i think [19:30] not yet anyway [19:30] lol [19:30] at least you can be around here when others need help [19:30] but apologise for saying my modem scrap [19:30] ai! Sorry Oom. [19:30] lol im more lost than they are [19:30] bye :) [19:31] but I would still get a better modem/phone [19:31] ok vergewe is jy [19:31] sonder gif [19:31] Kilos: good night [19:31] inetpro: good night ;) [19:31] toods smile [19:31] goeie nag smile [19:31] inetpro, you too cheeky [19:32] dankie inetpro [19:32] sorry oom [19:32] better pc ya but modem works [19:32] can do 7.2 m/s [19:32] faster than 8ta [19:33] evening superfly [19:33] hi cocooncrash [19:34] weekend! [19:34] is not here yet [19:34] no man one more day [19:35] I can't believe I'm still doing the Mile on Sunday :/ [19:35] midmar? [19:35] ill look for you on the idiot box [19:35] yeah [19:36] wave hey Squirm [19:36] I don't move fast enough to make a wave [19:36] lol [19:37] swim freestyle then backstroke every now and again and ill watch [19:37] I'll pass on the backstroke [19:38] butterfly? [19:38] :O [19:38] hehe [19:38] I don't know if I'll make it, let alone swimming butterfly [19:38] i thought you can swim [19:38] most people can swim [19:38] :P [19:38] yes man you can breaststroke when tired or even doggy paddle [19:38] and I used to be a swimmer. but I haven't done any training what-so-ever and the last swim I did was 3 years ago [19:39] and they go and seed me in the SECOND group! [19:39] ouch [19:39] I'm going to be left behind [19:39] np finishing is all that counts when you old and unfit [19:39] lol [19:40] I'm hoping for a 35 [19:41] shouldnt be a prob you play lotsa squash so should still be fit [19:41] as long as the breath lasts you fine [19:41] breathe [19:41] breath [19:42] lol [19:42] I swam 1km about 3 weeks ago [19:42] I died [19:42] lol [19:42] now this is 1.6km, without any walls, with like 500+ people pushing water against you [19:42] paddle [19:43] and hit the outside [19:43] at least there are no sharks [19:43] however I do it, I'm going to die [19:43] but are you sure there are no crocs? [19:43] ya they all eaten [19:44] the people that discovered the crocs or the crocs? [19:44] lol the crocs [19:44] anything thats free gets eaten [19:45] there used to be some further downstream [19:47] they're everywhere [19:48] yo simeon [20:01] *yawn* [20:01] lol [20:06] go sleep superfly [20:06] I need to relax first [20:07] ow [20:13] wbb at 11pm to get update/upgrade [20:50] 'night [22:14] yawn