[04:52] <Squirm> fp
[05:28] <barrydk> Good morning all
[05:55] <magespawn> good morning
[06:37] <magespawn> inetpro is jy ook n "Oom"?
[06:47] <Tonberry> tegnies is ek al 'n oom so ek dink nie rerig dit beteken veel nie
 magespawn: well you are still young anyway
[06:55] <magespawn> just looking for context
[07:01] <Kilos> morning all
[07:02] <Kilos> stupid unity lost nm-applet and i forgot the command to put in startup apps
[07:02] <Kilos> grrr
[07:02] <Kilos> so im quasselled here
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz: google how to add nm-applet to startup apps in 12.04
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: "12.04 - Why does the network icon disappear on every reboot? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/184657/why-does-the-network-icon-disappear-on-every-reboot :: "12.04 - Network manager indicator missing - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/159812/network-manager-indicator-missing :: "[other] LXDE Ubuntu wireless - Ubuntu Forums"
[07:15] <Maaz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144398 :: "Bug #1006141 “nm-applet system tray drop-down men…
[07:20] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> hi there magespawn 
[07:21] <Kilos> all good there lad?
[07:22] <deegee_1> hi oom Kilos 
[07:22] <Kilos> hi deegee_1 
[07:23] <deegee_1> & good morning all
[07:29] <magespawn> yup all good Kilos. apart from nm, all good there?
[07:29] <magespawn> hi deegee_1
[07:30] <Kilos> ya it did it when 12.04 first came out and now again suddenly
[07:30] <Kilos> methinks crackers caught me
[07:30] <Kilos> why else will it do that if it worked last night 
[07:31] <Kilos> anyway ian scores. his 500g kde is updated/upgraded
[07:38] <deegee_1> can one do " sudo aptitude groupinstall <packagegroup>"?
[07:59] <Kilos> deegee_1: what kinda group?
[08:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:00] <Kilos> not dependancies kinda group?
[08:00] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[08:00] <deegee_1> Kilos: e.g "virtualization" group
[08:00] <Kilos> forgot why i pinged you
[08:00] <inetpro> magespawn: haha, I'm still a youngster man
[08:00] <inetpro> and always a newbie
[08:02] <deegee_1> instead of installing "lib-virt", "virt-manager" separately....
[08:04] <Kilos> you can do the aptitude and leave a space between them and it will do all
[08:05] <Kilos> hi jr
[08:06] <Kilos> grr
[08:06] <Kilos> aw my tab dont work with jrgns
[08:06] <tonberryE352> ok so new kde release hit the backports
[08:07] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352 
[08:07] <tonberryE352> anyone else using icon only task manger with the air style?
[08:07] <tonberryE352> hi Kilos
[08:07] <Kilos> works with you
[08:07] <Kilos> weird
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: he left
[08:07] <tonberryE352> except for the air sillyness
[08:07] <inetpro> lol
[08:08] <tonberryE352> no longer draws borders around running programs
[08:08] <tonberryE352> so if you use unity line shortcuts in your taskmanger
[08:08] <tonberryE352> you have no way of telling if a program is running or a shortcut
[08:23] <Kilos> isnt anyone gonna help deegee_1 ?
[08:27] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[08:27] <Kilos> wb
[08:33] <deegee_1> no stress oom, i noticed it's not possible to that type of a command exceptt on rhel systems 
[08:33] <deegee_1> Kilos: tnx
[08:33] <Kilos> oh my deegee_1 is that good enough?
[08:33] <Kilos> i thought maybe someone had a better way
[08:34] <deegee_1> :-)
[08:34]  * deegee_1 will use the ordinary way with spaces
[08:35] <deegee_1> s/exceptt/except
[08:38] <jrgns> Hi Kilos, all
[08:51] <inetpro> uh, what is deegee_1's problem?
[08:52] <Kilos> he wants to install a group of packages at a time with aptitude
[08:53] <inetpro> hmm....
[08:54] <inetpro> typically in dpkg you will find packages that are grouped together as virtual packages
[08:55] <deegee_1> inetpro: you mean like "dpkg groupinstall <package>" or "dpkg groupsearch <package>"?
[08:55] <inetpro> like aptitude show kubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <inetpro> you just install kubuntu-desktop and it will take xcare of the rest of the dependancies
[08:56] <inetpro> dependencies as well 
[08:56] <tumbleweed> inetpro: dpkg-query -p
[08:56] <inetpro> s/xcare/care/
[08:58] <tumbleweed> inetpro: FWIW, those aren't virtual packages, they are meta-packages
[08:58] <tumbleweed> virtual packages are packages like mail-transport-agent, that don't actually exist
[08:58] <tumbleweed> but are provided by a bunch of MTAs
[08:58] <inetpro> tumbleweed: true
[08:58]  * inetpro took a bad example
[08:58] <inetpro> deegee_1: are you comparing with Redhat groupinstall?
[08:59] <deegee_1> nope.
[08:59] <tumbleweed> is tasksel maybe closer to what you want?
[08:59] <inetpro> deegee_1: where do you get the idea?
[09:00] <inetpro> or perhaps I even gave the wrong impression that virtual packages are the same as groupinstall as found on RedHat
[09:01]  * inetpro is not even sure what groupinstall is supposed to do
[09:01] <deegee_1> tumbleweed: i think that is very close, will give it try
[09:01] <inetpro> I just find debian package management to be years ahead of rpm based packaging
[09:01] <tumbleweed> deegee_1: in practice, we have meta-packages in the archive, for each task
[09:02] <inetpro> some years ago rpm was a dependency nightmare 
[09:03] <inetpro> but with yum I'm sure a lot of that has been addressed
[09:03] <tumbleweed> before there were high level RPM tools, yeah
[09:03] <inetpro> or rather since yum
[09:03]  * tumbleweed jumped ship to Debian when urpmi (is that rigth?) was still horrible, nad pre-yum
[09:05] <inetpro> deegee_1: anyway, what group of packages would you like to see or install?
[09:06] <deegee_1> inetpro: "Virtualization" specifically
[09:07] <deegee_1> to install as a group with 1 command
[09:07] <inetpro> btw, tumbleweed is our resident package management guru
[09:07] <tumbleweed> there aren't any meta-packages for that, I'm afraid
[09:08] <tumbleweed> I mean, there are multiple competing virtualization solutions in Ubuntu
[09:08] <tumbleweed> so, there's nothing to install them all
[09:08] <inetpro> deegee_1: what is it that you would typically see as being part of a virtualisation meta-package?
[09:08] <deegee_1> tumbleweed: ok. will try "virtualization machine host" as listed on tasksel
[09:09] <tumbleweed> I think that'll get yuo libvirt stuff
[09:10] <deegee_1> ok. will that include virt-manager?
[09:10] <inetpro> deegee_1: where do you find "virtualization machine host" ?
[09:11] <tumbleweed> that's the virt-mgmt set
[09:11] <tumbleweed> ubuntu-virt-mgmt
[09:11] <deegee_1> inetpro: on tasksel
[09:11] <inetpro> ai!
[09:11]  * inetpro has never used tasksel
[09:12] <inetpro> is that a gui package manager?
[09:12] <tumbleweed> no
[09:12] <tumbleweed> you'll see it at the end of an install
[09:13] <tumbleweed> you'll also see tasks in aptitude
[09:13] <inetpro> interesting
[09:14]  * inetpro simply sticking with aptitude
[09:14] <inetpro> don't fix what ain't broke
[09:15] <tumbleweed> aptitude went through a bad broken patch with multiarch, but... :)
[09:15] <deegee_1> so, ubuntu uses KVM or qemu-kvm for virtualization?
[09:15] <tumbleweed> sure, but you have other choices too
[09:15] <tumbleweed> LXC
[09:15] <tumbleweed> Xen
[09:16] <tumbleweed> VirtualBox
[09:17] <inetpro> and you typically just install one of those in Ubuntu and it will take care of dependencies
[09:17] <inetpro> no need for groupinstall
[09:17] <inetpro> or am I jumping the gun?
[09:18] <inetpro> so tumbleweed you use tasksel in stead of aptitude?
[09:22] <Kilos> http://go2linux.garron.me/using-tasksel-on-ubuntu-LAMP-switch-to-Kubuntu-Xubuntu
[09:22]  * Kilos looks too
[09:24] <tumbleweed> inetpro: no, I never use tasksel :)
[09:24] <tumbleweed> there are only a handful of tasks, and so they aren't very useful when you know which packages you want
[09:25] <inetpro> ahh
[09:31] <deegee_1> tumbleweed: thanks
[09:32]  * deegee_1 sees the light ...
[09:37] <magespawn> https://twitter.com/Earth_Pics/status/299442664653332482/photo/1
[09:37] <magespawn> awesome
[09:39] <Kilos> aw
[09:39] <Kilos> where maaz
[09:39] <Kilos> hope the crashkid is upgrading him
[09:40] <tumbleweed> naah, the that runs it server died
[09:41] <Kilos> aw
[09:41] <Kilos> we gotta influence him some tumbleweed . QA is so much better
[09:41] <inetpro> tumbleweed: huh?
[09:41] <inetpro> ahh...
[09:41]  * inetpro is slow today
[09:42] <Kilos> smoother
[09:42] <Kilos> today??
[09:42] <inetpro> Kilos: oops, sorry Kilos
[09:42]  * inetpro is always slow
[09:42] <inetpro> Kilos: waar's daai nickname van jou?
[09:43] <Kilos> lol watter ene
[09:43] <inetpro> lmga
[09:44] <inetpro> maa[tab]: coffee on
[09:44] <inetpro> now I can't even have coffee to give me a boost
[09:46] <Kilos> yeah
[09:46]  * Kilos cries cause im on kde and not QA here
[09:47] <Kilos> s/not/no
[09:48] <Kilos> i go try get nm-applet in unity back
[12:43] <Kilos> grrr at times i get so angry with 12.04
[12:43] <Symmetria> heh
[12:43] <Kilos> cant see modem after 4 installs
[12:43] <Symmetria> I just ordered 6 5 meter fiber cables
[12:43] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[12:43] <Symmetria> and after I saw the price
[12:43] <Symmetria> I feel like I got buttraped :(
[12:43] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Symmetria> and that was picking from the cheapest price I could find anywhere
[12:44] <Kilos> nothing is cheap
[12:44] <Symmetria> *27 THOUSAND RAND* for 6 5 meter cables 
[12:44] <Kilos> ouch
[12:44] <Symmetria> kilos they are 500 DOLLARS EACH
[12:44] <Symmetria> ;p screw blown fiber, that should be called blowme fiber
[12:44] <Symmetria> and should gimme a free bj when I order it
[12:44] <Kilos> arent there local suppliers
[12:44] <Symmetria> heh no, no one in country has the equipment to make those
[12:45] <Kilos> why not start a sideline business making them then
[12:45] <Symmetria> lol the fiber polishing machine to make those leads costs multi-million
[12:45] <Kilos> where does telkom get their optic fibre cables
[12:45] <Symmetria> heh those are normal fiber 
[12:46] <Kilos> ah
[12:46] <Symmetria> those are like, 200 bux for a 10 meter (rand)
[12:47] <Kilos> well if lotsa peeps gonna be using those you need it might pay in the long run to start making them
[12:48] <Kilos> at those prices you can get your multi millions back inna few years
[12:59] <Kilos> tumbleweed, are iso's the same for 12.04 now as when it was released? or have fixes been added
[13:00] <Kilos> the downloadable ones i mean
[13:00] <tumbleweed> no, 12.04.1 is out
[13:00] <tumbleweed> and 12.04.2 is coming soon
[13:01] <Kilos> soon?
[13:01] <tumbleweed> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[13:01] <Kilos> im tired of battling with this 3g modem prob
[13:01] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[13:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what makes you assume that a 2nd, a 3rd and a fourth install will be different to the first?
[13:07] <Kilos> thats been the prob every time inetpro i have to plug and unplug and connect modem at different times to get it working
[13:07] <inetpro> ai!
[13:07] <Kilos> had to unplug before rebooting before 
[13:08] <Kilos> thewn plug after boot and it sees it
[13:08] <Kilos> but not this time
[13:08] <Kilos> yeah sounds weird i know but thats how i got it working before
[13:09] <inetpro> as far as my memory goes when I had trouble with something like this, many years ago, you had to have the device plugged in during installation for it to be detected
[13:10] <inetpro> but that was with older distros
[13:10] <Kilos> yes thats right. but here sometimes it must be plugged in when install says reboot now to complete upgrade
[13:10] <Kilos> then connect it and unplug and boot then plug
[13:11] <Kilos> only way i got it working before
[13:11] <Kilos> maverick sees and connects with no probs at all and auto connects
[13:11] <inetpro> but anyway, you should be able to resolve the problem without a re-install
[13:11] <Kilos> i searched the net but tired now
[13:12] <Kilos> gonna use fone to get sakis3g for now
[13:13] <Kilos> i have run lsusb and usb-devices and its there
[13:15] <Kilos> i dont think modeswitch is working properly even though i have completely update/upgraded
[13:15] <Kilos> grrr
[13:16]  * inetpro would get a decent modem/phone
[13:17] <Kilos> man it works perfect on maverick so where is the prob
[13:17] <Kilos> installed new maverick this week
[13:18] <Kilos> lotsa peeps sukkeled with 120.04
[13:18] <Kilos> 12.04 too
[13:18] <Kilos> i wont live that long
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos: yes but you have a particular finicky phone/modem
[13:24] <Kilos> yes i know inetpro but the price of a new modem can rather get better pc hardware not so
[13:24] <Kilos> 3g modem
[13:24] <Kilos> arab one
[13:25] <inetpro> you still need a decent modem even if you have a decent PC
[13:25] <Kilos> maybe i must setup maverick to let this pc share 3g
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Kilos> no man its 12.04 thats finicky not the modem
[13:27] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk partykeer jong
[13:29] <Kilos> ha feb 14th is 12.04.2 time
[13:30] <Kilos> hopefully they fixed it by then or more data wasted
[14:24] <Kilos> Trix[a]r_za, ping
[14:25] <Kilos> sakis3g is down. do you know wassup
[14:25] <Squirm> he uses a bnc
[14:25] <Squirm> so he isn't notified when you do that cause he isn't just idle
[14:25] <Squirm> but he should get it later :P
[14:26] <Kilos> ah ty Squirm 
[14:34] <Kilos> hehe ubuntu-mexico is following us on twitter
[14:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[14:34] <inetpro> uh?
[14:38] <Kilos> lol
[14:39] <Kilos> go home man you too tired to think even
[14:40] <Kilos> was your idea the twitter thing
[14:52] <Kilos> yo henkj 
[14:52] <henkj> hi kilos
[15:01] <Squirm> hello henkj 
[15:01] <henkj> hey Squirm 
[15:01] <Squirm> long time
[16:21] <magespawn> later all
[17:07] <Vince-0> sup ubuntu-za peeps
[18:34] <inetpro> Vince-0: nothing
[18:40] <smile> hi :)
[18:40] <Squirm> hi
[18:43] <deegee_1> konbanwa o/
[18:45] <Vince-0> darned PC froze
[18:46] <Squirm> windows does that
[18:49] <Vince-0> yes! especially when playing Battlefield3
[18:50] <Vince-0> otherwise I'd be in some KDE type environment
[18:57] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:57] <Kilos> time to get a decent modem inetpro ????
[18:58] <inetpro> welcome back Kilos
[18:58] <Kilos> its 12.04 thats faulty
[18:58] <Kilos> ty sir
[18:58] <Kilos> 12.10 running here now but not upgraded
[18:58] <Kilos> np with modem
[18:59] <Kilos> julle stry met die engelsman ne
[18:59] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[19:04] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[19:05] <Kilos> i dont like the windows shading fading whatever they do here
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro, se tog iets man sodat ek kan hoor bloep die ding of nie
[19:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:06] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[19:06] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[19:06] <Kilos> ai! niks
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe an upgrade will sort it. but thats night surfer data
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: so you gonna stay awake?
[19:09] <Kilos> i dont have a choice if i want to update sir
[19:09] <Kilos> this thing is slow 
[19:11] <Kilos> lol and keeps saying cant mount floppy
[19:11] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry but I won't make it tonight
[19:29] <Kilos> what ??
[19:29] <inetpro> battery absolutely flat after this mornings happenings
[19:30] <Kilos> np inetpro go sleep oompie
[19:30] <Kilos> i dont need help i think
[19:30] <Kilos> not yet anyway
[19:30] <inetpro> lol
[19:30] <inetpro> at least you can be around here when others need help
[19:30] <Kilos> but apologise for saying my modem scrap
[19:30] <inetpro> ai! Sorry Oom.
[19:30] <Kilos> lol im more lost than they are
[19:30] <smile> bye :)
[19:31] <inetpro> but I would still get a better modem/phone
[19:31] <Kilos> ok vergewe is jy
[19:31] <Kilos> sonder gif
[19:31] <smile> Kilos: good night
[19:31] <smile> inetpro: good night ;)
[19:31] <Kilos> toods smile 
[19:31] <inetpro> goeie nag smile
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro, you too cheeky
[19:32] <smile> dankie inetpro
[19:32] <inetpro> sorry oom
[19:32] <Kilos> better pc ya but modem works
[19:32] <Kilos> can do 7.2 m/s
[19:32] <Kilos> faster than 8ta
[19:33] <Kilos> evening superfly 
[19:33] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash 
[19:34] <Squirm> weekend!
[19:34] <Squirm> is not here yet
[19:34] <Kilos> no man one more day
[19:35] <Squirm> I can't believe I'm still doing the Mile on Sunday :/
[19:35] <Kilos> midmar?
[19:35] <Kilos> ill look for you on the idiot box
[19:35] <Squirm> yeah
[19:36] <Kilos> wave hey Squirm 
[19:36] <Squirm> I don't move fast enough to make a wave
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <Kilos> swim freestyle then backstroke every now and again and ill watch
[19:37] <Squirm> I'll pass on the backstroke
[19:38] <Kilos> butterfly?
[19:38] <Squirm> :O
[19:38] <Kilos> hehe
[19:38] <Squirm> I don't know if I'll make it, let alone swimming butterfly
[19:38] <Kilos> i thought you can swim
[19:38] <Squirm> most people can swim
[19:38] <Squirm> :P
[19:38] <Kilos> yes man you can breaststroke when tired or even doggy paddle
[19:38] <Squirm> and I used to be a swimmer. but I haven't done any training what-so-ever and the last swim I did was 3 years ago
[19:39] <Squirm> and they go and seed me in the SECOND group!
[19:39] <Kilos> ouch
[19:39] <Squirm> I'm going to be left behind
[19:39] <Kilos> np finishing is all that counts when you old and unfit
[19:39] <Squirm> lol
[19:40] <Squirm> I'm hoping for a 35
[19:41] <Kilos> shouldnt be a prob you play lotsa squash so should still be fit
[19:41] <Kilos> as long as the breath lasts you fine
[19:41] <Kilos> breathe
[19:41] <Kilos> breath
[19:42] <Squirm> lol
[19:42] <Squirm> I swam 1km about 3 weeks ago
[19:42] <Squirm> I died
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <Squirm> now this is 1.6km, without any walls, with like 500+ people pushing water against you
[19:42] <Kilos> paddle
[19:43] <Kilos> and hit the outside
[19:43] <Kilos> at least there are no sharks
[19:43] <Squirm> however I do it, I'm going to die
[19:43] <Squirm> but are you sure there are no crocs?
[19:43] <Kilos> ya they all eaten
[19:44] <Squirm> the people that discovered the crocs or the crocs?
[19:44] <Kilos> lol the crocs
[19:44] <Kilos> anything thats free gets eaten
[19:45] <Kilos> there used to be some further downstream
[19:47] <Squirm> they're everywhere
[19:48] <Kilos> yo simeon 
[20:01] <superfly> *yawn*
[20:01] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <Kilos> go sleep superfly 
[20:06] <superfly> I need to relax first
[20:07] <Kilos> ow
[20:13] <Kilos> wbb at 11pm to get update/upgrade
[20:50] <superfly> 'night
[22:14] <zeref> yawn