[02:56] <_helios_> Hey is Raring Ringtail going to be better than 12.10?
[02:56] <skp1> yes.
[02:56] <_helios_> I'm sitting with 12.1064bit and it's pretty stable.
[02:57] <_helios_> I'm downloading the daily build now gonna take a look at it in Virtual Box.
[03:00] <IdleOne> it will be 1.94 times better
[03:01] <_helios_> Cool I'll switch to it once I make sure it's gonna be as stable as 12.10 lol
[07:12] <magn3ts> So, say I just installed raring on a Macbook Air... How do I ensure I don't melt my laptop?
[07:12] <magn3ts> 12.10 required manual fan control and the ppa isnt available...
[07:14] <bazhang> wait for the release, and contact the PPA maintainer about getting a raring version, I suppose
[07:15] <magn3ts> Can I test if it will work automatically without just revving it up?
[07:21] <spyzer> hey everyone, i am being affected by this bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pvr-omap4/+bug/1102045
[07:22] <spyzer> so may anyone please help me as in if there is some quick way for me to revert back to a more stable ubuntu version
[07:22] <spyzer> ?
[07:22] <spyzer> as in what is the quickest path for me to use the driver
[07:22] <spyzer> for its capabilities
[07:23] <bazhang> spyzer, revert back to 12.10 you mean?
[07:28] <spyzer> bazhang, so this bug occurss in 12.10 basically so if i revert to 12.04 that can solve my problem i believe. But are there some huge performance gains between 12.04 and 12.10
[07:28] <spyzer> for OMAP?
[07:29] <bazhang> no idea on OMAP performance gains
[07:29] <bazhang> ONe way to revert spyzer :: full reinstall
[07:33] <spyzer> hmm
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:01] <SuperMatt> hullo hullo
[12:04] <SuperMatt> I've just had an issue with byobu in raring... /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 59: /usr/bin/byobu-launch: Syntax error: "fi" unexpected (expecting "then")
[12:04] <SuperMatt> that was stopping me from logging in to unity/gnome-shell etc
[14:05] <Fuzzles> what do you guys think to ubuntu 13.04?
[14:25] <Christos> I have a strange issue. Grub2 is not showed at all on boot with ubuntu 13.04. To tell the truth i see nothing other than a pink screen before my desktop. (no splash screen at all).
[14:28] <jpds> Christos: Tried holding down shift after the BIOS?
[14:28] <Christos> Let me give that a try ;)
[14:28] <Christos> I will report back in a sec
[14:39] <christos> Thank you for the tip with Shift it works. Now i have an other issue. I get this error while trying to install latest drivers
[14:39] <christos> fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers.  /lib/modules/3.8.0-5-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
[14:39] <christos> Latest kernel headers are installed. But version.h is missing
[16:14] <kroson> Hello, is raring ringtail going to come with a new version of xserver?
[16:48] <smallfoot-> I have a broken dependency on python3-pyatspi2, anyone else have that too?
[16:48] <smallfoot-> nvm, i think synaptic fixed that
[17:05] <christos> Hello i would like some help with the installation of radeon proprietary drivers (fglrx) 13.2. The installer complains about missing kernel headers (which i have installed) and also for missing version.h (which is missing and i have no idea why.)
[17:06] <ironhalik> did you instell the propr package for your kernel?
[17:06] <christos> i believe that everything is correct
[17:07] <ironhalik> linux-headers-3.8.0-5-generic?
[17:07] <christos> linux-headers-3.8.0-5-generic Yes
[17:07] <christos> i am using kernel 3.8.0-5-generic (of course).
[17:08] <ironhalik> I had similiar problem with virtualbox-dkms, and installed the wrong package
[17:08] <christos> :) Well thats why it seems strange to me and this problem exists on every linux distro
[17:09] <christos> i previously had 3.8.0-4-generic. (When i update my kernel the installer almost always complains about missing kernel headers.
[17:10] <ironhalik> are you sure you're using the latest kernel? As it turns out, I'm booting into rc5, according to uname -a
[17:10] <ironhalik> :>
[17:11] <christos> that is the output of uname -a                          Linux chris-GA-VM900M 3.8.0-5-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 18:00:50 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:11] <christos> i am searching google for alot of time with no results
[17:12] <christos> My main problems are gaming and that ubuntu fails to boot many times with pre-installed drivers.
[17:19] <christos> ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-5-generic/include/generated/uapi/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-5-generic/include/linux/version.h
[17:20] <christos> shouldn't that work :O)?
[17:33] <magn3ts> Any tips on getting UEFI booting working on a Macbook Air?
[17:33] <magn3ts> It boots off the NON +mac.iso fine  but the installer doesn't seem to setup grub properly.
[17:34] <magn3ts> I'm hopeful that this can be done without using BootCamp/BIOS boot but I'm a bit out of my depth.
[17:37] <christos> I know that this is offtopic... But why would you like to install ubuntu on a mac XD?
[17:41] <magn3ts> Because I don't like OS X.
[17:41] <magn3ts> Ubuntu 13.04 works spectacularly on it. Aside from the non EFI boot.
[17:42] <magn3ts> And the 3.8 latest RC kernel broke Thunderbolt hotplugging but I seem to be the only person on the whole internet that even noticed that thunderbolt pci support was added.... so ;P
[17:42] <magn3ts> The MBA is just fantastic hardware. If the Carbon X1 from Thinkpad adds a better screen I'll consider switching, but until then it's better than almost anything else I've seen or used.
[17:43] <christos> Well as i have heard mac has more games and is more user-friendly. Also arent apple's laptops and phones WAY TOO EXPENSIVE because of Ios and for many things with i infront of their name :)?
[17:43] <magn3ts> The MBA has a bit of a premium yes, but honestly, it's worth it when I don't ruin my computer every year and a half from tripping on the power cable and pulling it off the table.
[17:44] <magn3ts> I personally don't think OS X is that much more user friendly. As a developer it pisses me off constantly--- not respecting my env vars, having an outdated, signed version of GDB, no proper package manager, no Wayland, etc
[17:44] <magn3ts> anyway, I gotta run. I hope to debug EFI and Thunderbolt hotplug when I get back if anyone is interested in throwing me any debug pointers!
[17:44] <christos> Well if you are a dev then you can probably should use linux..
[17:49] <christos> Well i know that this isnt the right place to ask but :)... You said you are a developer. So that means you went at college (or whatever) and studied this thing? Is it what you do for living?
[17:49] <christos> Because i really have a dilemma  If i should choose that as a carrier :P
[17:55] <ironhalik> if you like IT stuff, then sure, there's cash in it
[17:55] <christos> IT?
[17:56] <ironhalik> iformation technology
[17:56] <ironhalik> just don't go into it, if you _don't_ like it - there were a lot of people who went into CS because they heard money is good
[17:57] <ironhalik> then there was 80% failure rate at programming 101
[17:58] <ironhalik> but if you're running unstable ubuntu by choice, then you're probably ahead of those 80% ;>
[17:58] <christos> :) Lol thanks ;)
[17:58] <ironhalik> also, calculus
[17:59] <christos> Well thanks for the info.
[17:59] <christos> Computers are what i like the most.(and english included.)
[18:00] <christos> So i believe on of these is what i am going to do in future,
[18:00] <christos> one*
[18:01] <ironhalik> remember about the math. There's ton of math, calculus, algebra, probability etc
[18:02] <christos> Well if i understood correctly probability and calculus (log?) is what i am studing this year at school
[18:02] <christos> (Calculus is log and ln and such?)
[18:02] <ironhalik> yup
[18:02] <ironhalik> and more, much more ;>
[18:02] <christos> These are easy i did them the year before :P
[18:03] <christos> In greece you study at 16 years old :P
[18:03] <christos> you study these*
[18:05] <ironhalik> well then, good luck :>
[18:05] <christos> Thank you ;)...
[19:06] <blaamann> I tried split view in Nautilus. Does not work :-(
[19:17] <magn3ts> Also, yeah, I went to school for programming but I taught myself most of it. Ironically I'm going to be working for MS in a few months time.
[19:21] <AlecTaylor> hi
[19:23] <AlecTaylor> Should we expect many changes between the kernel freeze tomorrow and the second alpha on the 14th?
[19:24]  * AlecTaylor wants to upgrade from 12.04
[19:27] <hggdh> AlecTaylor: they are cummulative -- if you have Raring installed and are doing dist-upgrades, there is no difference. If you download today's image and dist-upgrade, you will have whatever packages there will be next week
[19:28] <AlecTaylor> hggdh: But are we talking (estimate if you will) a large download for the alpha 2?
[19:29] <AlecTaylor> (doing the upgrade between now and one week from now)
[19:30] <hggdh> AlecTaylor: there *might* be some updates, volume unknown (I dist-upgrade every day; the last few days we have had a lot of updates)
[19:31] <hggdh> AlecTaylor: remember this is in flux... but, by now, *most* of the updates for next week should already be in. At least as far as KDE is concerned, we just moved to 4.10.
[19:32] <hggdh> of course, barring a major bug in some basic dependency, requiring an ABI bump & rebuild of all dependencies...
[20:06] <AlecTaylor> hggdh: kk, will wait 3-4 days then upgrade
[20:06] <AlecTaylor> Thanks
[20:07] <hggdh> welcome
[21:06] <magn3ts__> Looks like cinnamon-settings is broken.
[21:06] <magn3ts__> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gobject/constants.py:24: Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed
[21:06] <magn3ts__>   import gobject._gobject
[21:06] <magn3ts__> No module named Image
[21:08] <magn3ts__> cinnamon needs to have a dependency on python-imagining
[21:08] <magn3ts__> Is that a known issue?
[21:08] <magn3ts__> Hm, appears it already does...
[21:10] <magn3ts__> never mind, looks like PIL is broke, found the bug report.
[22:50] <magn3ts> bleck, 3.8 rc7 breaks graphics on my  MBA (intel hd4000)