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| pitti | tkamppeter_: "Only long keyids (v4, 160bit) are supported", ah, that indeed explains it | 05:28 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 05:28 |
| larsu | pitti, good morning :) | 05:29 |
| pitti | larsu: oh right -- crazy times for you now :) | 05:29 |
| larsu | pitti, ya, at least I see you get up now! | 05:29 |
| attente | larsu_: ping | 05:30 |
| larsu_ | attente: pong | 05:31 |
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| BigWhale | Good Morning | 06:15 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:23 |
| BigWhale | good morning didrocks :) | 06:38 |
| didrocks | hey BigWhale, how are you? | 06:39 |
| BigWhale | I'm up from 6am ... that's how I am :)) | 06:39 |
| BigWhale | Right now contemplating what is the acceptable number of bugs for a 'stable' release. :) | 06:40 |
| didrocks | heh ;) | 06:42 |
| BigWhale | That's not funny! :P | 06:46 |
| BigWhale | :)) | 06:46 |
| didrocks | it is, before coffee and you start to realize what this really means ;) | 06:49 |
| BigWhale | I don't drink coffe. :/ | 06:53 |
| didrocks | tea works for caffein ;) | 06:54 |
| jibel | good morning | 07:34 |
| robru | hmmmmmmm... what is the Vala equivalent of python's unittest.assertRaises? | 07:34 |
| didrocks | hey jibel, morning/evening robru! | 07:39 |
| robru | hey didrocks ! | 07:40 |
| jibel | bonjour didrocks | 07:40 |
| BigWhale | Which window manager is used in gnome-session-fallback? | 07:44 |
| didrocks | metacity | 07:49 |
| BigWhale | is there a way to turn on compositing in metacity? | 07:50 |
| BigWhale | or make a window transparent in non-compositing WM's? | 07:51 |
| mitya57 | BigWhale: gsettings set org.gnome.metacity compositing-manager true | 07:52 |
| mitya57 | btw there is also gnome-fallback-comits session | 07:52 |
| mitya57 | *gnome-fallback-compiz | 07:52 |
| BigWhale | mitya57, thanks. | 07:53 |
| BigWhale | Why is it off anyway? | 07:54 |
| BigWhale | performance wise? | 07:54 |
| didrocks | BigWhale: doesn't work well if you don't have accelerated drivers | 07:55 |
| didrocks | still work, but can be slower and have artefacts | 07:55 |
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| Laney | friiiiiday | 09:04 |
| didrocks | yeeeeep ;) | 09:09 |
| didrocks | qtdays! | 09:10 |
| Laney | O RLY | 09:11 |
| BigWhale | I abandoned Qt when KDE4 was released for the first time. :) | 09:24 |
| Riddell | didrocks: what what? | 09:45 |
| popey | mpt: got another potentially not helpful update-manager dialog today... http://popey.com/~alan/untrusted.png "This requires installing packages from unauthenticated sources" (I know the reason, I have a PPA which I didn't add the key for) | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning | 09:46 |
| didrocks | hey Riddell, sorry, was disconnected, didn't receive your first message :) | 09:46 |
| popey | mpt: if you run "apt-get upgrade" then the similar warning is presented as just that, a warning, with the option of pressing "yes" to allow it. update manager offers no option to ignore the warning. | 09:46 |
| didrocks | (sharing screen in hangout made xorg crashing) | 09:46 |
| Riddell | didrocks: I only got "qtdays" does this mean you have some plans for qt today? | 09:46 |
| didrocks | Riddell: the plan than Mirv talk to you about with Qt 5 | 09:47 |
| didrocks | Riddell: so qtchooser + qt4 compatible with qt5 paths | 09:47 |
| didrocks | and we start to upload an initial version qt5, reviewing under way | 09:47 |
| Riddell | didrocks: I'm wanting to wait until KDE 4.10 is in before that gets uploaded | 09:47 |
| didrocks | (the version that was acked with debian as well) | 09:47 |
| Riddell | cos I suspect they'll clash somewhat | 09:47 |
| didrocks | Riddell: you mean, the qt5 part? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | didrocks: well qtchooser and qt4-x11 changes, but I think qt5 will depend on that | 09:48 |
| didrocks | Riddell: the qt4 with qtchooser it uploaded (qt4 in binary NEW I guess for the -default package) and qtchooser in source NEW | 09:48 |
| didrocks | is* | 09:49 |
| Riddell | didrocks: ah good old New queue :) | 09:49 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 09:49 |
| Riddell | didrocks: KDE SC 4.10 is all done except for smelly old powerpc being slow | 09:49 |
| didrocks | Riddell: ah ok, no new package? I doubt qt4-x11 will be built on powerpc before the kde pieces on powerpc are built? | 09:50 |
| Riddell | no new in 4.10 | 09:50 |
| didrocks | ok, I thought that's what you meant once you wanted KDE 4.10 first ;) so we're all good | 09:51 |
| didrocks | Riddell: qt4-x11 won't be publish anyway before the new -default package is NEWed | 09:51 |
| didrocks | and I guess powerpc will finish before qt4-x11 powerpc starts even | 09:51 |
| didrocks | finished* | 09:51 |
| didrocks | let's keep qtchooser in source NEW as well until the powerpc builds ends | 09:51 |
| didrocks | Riddell: works for you? | 09:52 |
| Riddell | didrocks: qt4 seems to have started on powerpc, how did it skip the queue?! | 09:52 |
| didrocks | Riddell: hum, you're right, crap :/ is it a priority main/universe? | 09:53 |
| didrocks | Riddell: I didn't request anything FYI, no score bump | 09:53 |
| Riddell | didrocks: oh that's probably it | 09:53 |
| didrocks | Riddell: normally, headers are not impacted, it's just binaries that are moving | 09:53 |
| didrocks | Riddell: so, hopefully, you can still publish kde, even on powerpc if built against the new qt4-x11 | 09:53 |
| Laney | you could have someone kill the build | 09:54 |
| Riddell | didrocks: since powerpc is not something we should care about I wonder if it's sensible to just tell the proposed migration to ignore the kde packages | 09:54 |
| mpt | popey, bug report please | 09:54 |
| didrocks | Riddell: I would +1 on that TBH, but I guess that the tool won't be able to copy powerpc after the fact and will rebuilt it | 09:54 |
| didrocks | or just do what Laney is proposing, killing the build | 09:55 |
| Riddell | the qt build? | 09:55 |
| didrocks | for powerpc | 09:55 |
| Riddell | ok I'll ask for that | 09:55 |
| Laney | why is it a problem? | 09:55 |
| Laney | surely any problem you'll hit at the next upload anyway | 09:56 |
| didrocks | Laney: it's not really, we are just moving some binaries and renaming them for being compatible with the incoming qt5 | 09:56 |
| didrocks | so no header change | 09:56 |
| didrocks | Laney: but Riddell wants to publish KDE 4.10 first to have a separate change tests, I guess | 09:56 |
| popey | mpt: ok | 09:56 |
| didrocks | (understandbly, don't mix potential issues ;)) | 09:56 |
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| didrocks | Riddell: which package should I look at to tell "yeah, everything is built on powerpc"? | 10:02 |
| didrocks | everything == KDE 4.10 | 10:02 |
| Riddell | didrocks: everything beginning with a k? :) | 10:03 |
| didrocks | Riddell: well, do you have a control tower for that? ;-) | 10:03 |
| Riddell | didrocks: what's one of those? | 10:04 |
| popey | mpt done, bug 1119247 | 10:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1119247 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""This requires installing packages from unauthenticated sources" warning not useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119247 | 10:04 |
| didrocks | Riddell: I meant, do you have a one single page to check that powerpc on everything starting with a k ended? | 10:04 |
| * didrocks wonders why again he can't access to https://launchpad.net/builders | 10:04 | |
| Riddell | didrocks: I'm watching http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | 10:04 |
| Riddell | although haskall is getting in the way of making it quick to read | 10:05 |
| didrocks | Riddell: oh, good hint! | 10:05 |
| didrocks | Riddell: thanks, will look at that :) | 10:05 |
| didrocks | so many haskell* package, I blame Laney! | 10:05 |
| Laney | muhahah | 10:06 |
| didrocks | :p | 10:07 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: private receipe build going on so untul thats gone you wont be able to see it | 10:08 |
| didrocks | czajkowski: isn't it written normally just "private build" for those? | 10:08 |
| didrocks | I saw that sometimes, without details, just "private build" | 10:09 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: sometimes but wgrants says this is normal | 10:09 |
| Laney | that's private package builds | 10:09 |
| Laney | slightly different | 10:09 |
| didrocks | hum, interested in more details now ;) | 10:09 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: poke wgrant :) | 10:10 |
| Laney | there's probably a bug on it | 10:10 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/760303 | 10:10 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 760303 in Launchpad itself "builders page inaccessible if a private recipe build is building" [High,Triaged] | 10:10 |
| didrocks | heh, will do thanks czajkowski, Laney ;) | 10:11 |
| czajkowski | really need to remove launchpad as a highlight | 10:11 |
| Laney | lies, your interventions are helpful | 10:12 |
| didrocks | indeed, they are :) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey | 10:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128, how are you? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, how are you? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | happy friday ;-) | 10:25 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks | 10:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you see my libdbusmenu ping yesterday afternoon? | 10:25 |
| chrisccoulson | bah, friday, i could do with an extra day in the week ;) | 10:25 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, what sort of testcase are you after? | 10:26 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, something that could do a SRU testcase :p | 10:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, ah, i did wonder :) | 10:26 |
| seb128 | I want to SRU the fixes, I'm just unsure that the SRU team will like "run firefox under valgrind" | 10:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, i'll see if i can get a testcase that doesn't involve firefox | 10:26 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 10:27 |
| chrisccoulson | you need a special build to run that under valgrind in any case | 10:27 |
| seb128 | don't spend too much work on it anyway | 10:27 |
| seb128 | if we don't have a testcase I will go the "just make sure nothing behave wrongly, watch $program memory usage" | 10:27 |
| seb128 | way | 10:27 |
| Laney | gruh | 11:04 |
| Laney | didrocks: so this does introduce failures | 11:04 |
| Laney | the unversioned qmake seems to have gone/moved | 11:05 |
| * didrocks looks for the merge request | 11:07 | |
| didrocks | Laney: do you have a link for the failure? | 11:07 |
| Laney | seems from the changelog that I have to BD on qt4-default now? | 11:07 |
| Laney | it was a local build | 11:07 |
| Laney | qmake [long list of options] fa | 11:08 |
| Laney | iled to to execute: No such file or directory | 11:08 |
| didrocks | Laney: ah right, you need qt4-default or qtchooser to chose one | 11:08 |
| didrocks | the -dev package dep on qt4-default IIRC | 11:09 |
| didrocks | let me check | 11:09 |
| Laney | so qt5 will start installing just `qmake' I guess? is that expected to work for most packages? | 11:10 |
| Laney | I think I'll pass --buildsystem=qmake_qt4 | 11:12 |
| didrocks | sorry, was another chat :) | 11:14 |
| Laney | heh | 11:15 |
| didrocks | one sec, checking something | 11:15 |
| didrocks | indeed, this is an issue in a builder | 11:15 |
| didrocks | I think libqt4-dev should dep on libqt4-default | 11:15 |
| didrocks | or | 11:16 |
| didrocks | hum, not that easy :) | 11:16 |
| didrocks | because qt4-default and qt5-default conflicts | 11:16 |
| didrocks | qtchooser is the tool to tell "I'm using those dev tools" | 11:16 |
| Laney | alternatives? | 11:16 |
| didrocks | being make_qt4 | 11:16 |
| didrocks | or qmake_qt5 | 11:16 |
| didrocks | Laney: debian didn't want alternatives | 11:16 |
| Laney | hmm | 11:17 |
| didrocks | Laney: they prefered this tool, which is what upstream is supportive for | 11:17 |
| didrocks | maybe Mirv can give us an hint, he work with them more than I | 11:17 |
| Mirv | yes, upstream recommended and Debian wanted qtchooser, making it unnecessary to continuing patching the sources adding suffixes everywhere and handling alternatives | 11:22 |
| Laney | do you expect continued build failures due to this? | 11:23 |
| didrocks | Mirv: the question I guess is for a simple app, they will build-dep on libqt4-dev and not qt4-default | 11:23 |
| Mirv | it has the new requirement that everything that builds against Qt4 needs to build-dep on qt4-default | 11:23 |
| Laney | I think this ought to be communicated | 11:24 |
| didrocks | shouldn't rather we have libqt4-dev dep on qt4-default | qt-default | 11:24 |
| didrocks | and qt4-default provides: qt-default? | 11:24 |
| didrocks | (and something similar for qt5) | 11:24 |
| Mirv | that could be an option. I tried to initiate ideas with pkg-kde but didn't get the topic going. | 11:25 |
| didrocks | Laney: am I crazy or this proposal makes sense to you? ^ | 11:25 |
| didrocks | (if so, I would propose we fix that right away) | 11:25 |
| Laney | I think so, but I don't know the area well enough to be aware of any gotchas | 11:27 |
| Mirv | I'm starting a parallel discussion at #debian-qt-kde (oftc) | 11:27 |
| didrocks | Mirv: if I have qt4-default installed | 11:27 |
| didrocks | and I run qtchooser | 11:27 |
| didrocks | I can set qt5 as default, right? | 11:27 |
| didrocks | which screwing up the packages? | 11:27 |
| didrocks | without* | 11:28 |
| Mirv | didrocks: yes, you can use any of the methods like export QT_SELECT=qt5 | 11:28 |
| Mirv | but only one can be the real default without any parameters or env vars | 11:28 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ok, tell me how it goes on #debian-qt-kde, I think we should do those for qt4 before the week-end | 11:28 |
| Mirv | let's see if anyone is around | 11:28 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 11:28 |
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| Laney | unblocking glib; I don't see any new failures from it | 11:31 |
| Phryq | heya guys. Is this a room where Ubuntu desktop-users can ask for help? | 11:32 |
| mpt | Phryq, no, this channel is for Ubuntu developers. You can find IRC support and other forums at <http://www.ubuntu.com/support>. | 11:38 |
| mpt | And a channel list at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList>. | 11:39 |
| czajkowski | Phryq: if you're looking for irc support head to #ubuntu | 11:42 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Hi Martin; thanks for sponsoring bug 1103547. | 11:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1103547 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "drag and drop does not work language support not complete" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103547 | 11:47 |
| Mirv | didrocks: some talk now how most packages should be using qmake-qt4 which is still available.. | 11:48 |
| Mirv | was there some package that already failed to build? | 11:48 |
| Laney | Mirv: that's not what debhelper calls | 11:48 |
| Laney | see /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/qmake.pm | 11:48 |
| pitti | hey GunnarHj, you're welcome! thanks for the fisx | 11:48 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Just curious about why you use set() instead of 'the good old' []. Is it about efficiency? | 11:48 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: no, but because missing() was previously returning a set | 11:50 |
| Mirv | Laney: thanks, using that information | 11:50 |
| pitti | and the new function turned a set into a list | 11:50 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ^ which broke API; my new test case complained about taht | 11:50 |
| Laney | Mirv: I don't know whether debhelper could in theory be improved to detect which qmake to call | 11:50 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Aha, then I understand. Thanks for explaining. | 11:50 |
| Laney | you might want to use codesearch.debian.net to see how many packages explicitly call unversioned qmake too | 11:51 |
| Mirv | < pinotree> use qmake_qt4, not that | 11:51 |
| Laney | that's fine to say, but reality might be different | 11:51 |
| Laney | the fact is debhelper uses that by default so I expect packages do rely on it | 11:51 |
| pitti | hey Laney | 11:52 |
| pitti | Laney: I don't see any autopkgtest failures which are due to glib, did you? | 11:52 |
| Laney | pitti: no - I already unblocked it | 11:53 |
| pitti | yay | 11:54 |
| Laney | and: trying: glib2.0 | 11:55 |
| Laney | accepted: glib2.0 | 11:55 |
| Laney | \o/ | 11:55 |
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| Mirv | I'm also mentioning that rcc tool didn't have the suffix in Qt4 | 11:59 |
| SuperMatt | I'm having a bit of a problem... I can't log in to my account on my PC | 12:00 |
| Mirv | which means any package using rcc would break without qt4-default | 12:00 |
| SuperMatt | it accepts my password, but then goes back to lightdm | 12:00 |
| SuperMatt | I'm running raring | 12:00 |
| seb128 | SuperMatt, hey, try #ubuntu+1 for user support | 12:00 |
| SuperMatt | righto | 12:00 |
| Mirv | didrocks: discussion stopped for a moment, but since all in Qt5 is NEW qt5-default requirement would be fine (and we also use it already). I'm trying to get agreement first if qt4-default dependency in libqt4-dev is acceptable. for rcc and debhelper use it seems obvious to me. | 12:09 |
| Laney | Mirv: thanks for following it up | 12:10 |
| Laney | Riddell: ^ you might want to be aware of this discussion | 12:10 |
| Mirv | there is also the option of we just doing it for libqt4-dev, since if Debian decides not to follow that route and fixes all Qt4 apps not to require qt4-default, we can sync | 12:11 |
| Mirv | we're not seeing uploads in Debian any time soon probably anyway because of the upcoming release and NEW queue being deprioritized there | 12:11 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ok, thanks :) | 12:12 |
| didrocks | Mirv: so we won't change qt5-default | 12:12 |
| didrocks | just keep compatibility for qt4, right? | 12:12 |
| Mirv | didrocks: actually for the time being I don't see any downsides of we doing the libqt4-dev dep on qt4-default thing, since it's transparent to drop if everything actually works without? | 12:12 |
| didrocks | Mirv: right, want to do it? | 12:13 |
| Mirv | didrocks: sounds like that currently | 12:13 |
| didrocks | or I can | 12:13 |
| didrocks | actually | 12:13 |
| Mirv | didrocks: well, feel free, I still haven't had my lunch :( | 12:13 |
| didrocks | Mirv: sure, enjoy your lunch then :) | 12:13 |
| Mirv | the hangout that was supposed to be later started an hour ago | 12:13 |
| Mirv | I really try now :) | 12:13 |
| didrocks | urgh, good luck! :) | 12:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: thanks for spotting it! I'm sure there are still some cases in qtchooser that is still not covered, but at least, that shouldn't break the build of qt4 apps | 12:14 |
| Laney | hmm | 12:14 |
| didrocks | I'm adding as well a recommends from qt4-default on libqt4-dev | 12:14 |
| Laney | so then you won't be able to develop for qt4 without having it as default | 12:14 |
| didrocks | so that if the way in the future is to use qt5-default, people don't mix it | 12:15 |
| Laney | i.e. installing qt5-default will actually uninstall libqt4-dev | 12:15 |
| Laney | is that ok? | 12:15 |
| didrocks | ah, good point | 12:15 |
| didrocks | hum… | 12:15 |
| didrocks | Laney: ok, I didn't follow this story from the beginning, we can workaround with a recommends for now | 12:16 |
| Laney | buildds don't install those | 12:16 |
| didrocks | really? I never knew that | 12:16 |
| didrocks | hemf | 12:16 |
| Laney | Perhaps Depends: qt4-default | qt-default and qt5-default Provides: qt-default is the way to go | 12:17 |
| Mirv | so only the qt5-default providing qt-default as well would allow full conistallability | 12:17 |
| didrocks | Laney: that was my proposal | 12:17 |
| didrocks | 12:24:14 didrocks | shouldn't rather we have libqt4-dev dep on qt4-default | qt-default | 12:17 |
| Laney | yeah | 12:17 |
| didrocks | yeah, let's do that | 12:17 |
| Laney | but we were coming around to not changing qt5 | 12:18 |
| didrocks | let's makes it provide qt-default | 12:18 |
| Laney | I can't currently think of a solution where that's possible though | 12:18 |
| Mirv | one person doesn't like that because qt5-default shouldn't be able to fulfill libqt4-dev dependency, but even though that's a cosmetic issue we don't yet even have the consensus of accepting qt4-default dependency in libqt4-dev, so that's only the next debate | 12:18 |
| Mirv | sorry, I go now, I shouldn't be here.. | 12:18 |
| didrocks | Laney: yep, I think that the qtchooser thing was half-thought, I don't even know how if it handles well manually changing the default when one default package is installed | 12:19 |
| Laney | well, you can think of that dependency as saying that you get qt4 as default by default but if you know what you're doing you can override that | 12:19 |
| didrocks | should really have been an alternative, not sure why it was rejected | 12:19 |
| didrocks | anyway, let's avoid breaking for now :) | 12:19 |
| Laney | if Debian decides to reject it it wouldn't be too hard to fix up the packages | 12:20 |
| didrocks | yep :) | 12:20 |
| didrocks | ok, it's ready here, waiting for the powerpc build for k* to finish first | 12:23 |
| didrocks | Laney: mind having a look? lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt/, rev 349 | 12:24 |
| Laney | getting | 12:25 |
| Laney | looks right | 12:26 |
| didrocks | Laney: thanks ;) | 12:26 |
| didrocks | reuploading qt5 in NEW | 12:26 |
| Mirv | didrocks: it seems that for now, the Debian qt4 packaging will not be changed, ie. "see what breaks" and even that is only at some point when those start to be uploaded | 12:32 |
| Mirv | then if it needs to be added, the "qt4-default | qt-default" libqt4-dev dep is more likely than "qt4-default" (where qt5-default would force uninstallation of libqt4-dev) since only one opposes it | 12:33 |
| didrocks | Mirv: yeah, I've prepared that for qt4 (waiting for the k* to be built on powerpc) and uploaded the new qt5 with the provides | 12:34 |
| Mirv | sounds good | 12:35 |
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| ogra_ | ah, nice, amliit is in the archive ... | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | *maliit | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | but it doesnt buy us any ram :( | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | Laney, is there any config file or so for it ? | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | its pretty small | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | seb128, did you set up a meeting agenda for today ? (i was pondering to send an announcement and link to it) | 13:30 |
| seb128 | ogra_, no, do you have anything you would like to get on an agenda? should we start creating a wiki page for that? | 13:31 |
| seb128 | ogra_, I can send the reminder if you want | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | that would be fine, no, nothing for the agenda, you said you wanted one this week, so i thought i'd ask | 13:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, and I though about it this morning and I've nothing to put on it :p | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | heh, same here | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ogra_, I can create a wiki page anyway so we have one and maybe we manage to put stuff on it next time | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ogra_, should I send the reminder to ubuntu-devel@ then? | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | so lets ignore the agenda (and a wiki for it) until we have something for it | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i'll post it to G+ then | 13:33 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:33 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi :) | 13:34 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey | 13:35 |
| ricotz | seb128, i am looking into a vala patch http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/pkg/vala-0.18_0.18.1-0ubuntu4.debdiff which is needed with the next gobject-introspection release | 13:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ do you know about that? g-i is your domain ;-) | 13:39 |
| ricotz | seb128, weirdly i am running into build issues currently, will check this out first | 13:39 |
| ricotz | vapigen will fail/error-out on this new parameter otherwise | 13:40 |
| ricotz | seb128, ah, since the vala builds directly from the c source it isnt that easy to patch | 13:42 |
| seb128 | ricotz, you probably want to include the diff to the .c as well | 13:43 |
| ricotz | seb128, yes, or depend on valac again | 13:43 |
| seb128 | no, please no circular depends | 13:43 |
| ricotz | i know, it was annoying in the past | 13:43 |
| pitti | seb128: hey; reading (back from lunch) | 13:45 |
| pitti | ricotz, seb128: ah, that's from Colin Walters, so seems fine; thanks for the heads-up, I wasn't aware that .girs are going to get the self argument | 13:46 |
| ricotz | seb128, pitti, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/pkg/vala-0.18_0.18.1-0ubuntu4.debdiff | 14:01 |
| pitti | eek | 14:02 |
| pitti | ricotz: our vala package doesn't build-dep on vala to rebuild itself? | 14:02 |
| ricotz | pitti, no, not anymore | 14:02 |
| pitti | but *shrug*, it's ACN upstream, so will hopefully disappear soon | 14:03 |
| ricotz | pitti, yeah, hopefully | 14:04 |
| ricotz | although there isnt even a 0.19.x release yet | 14:04 |
| ricotz | i hope someone likes to sponsor it ;) | 14:07 |
| seb128 | ricotz, it doesn't seem to be in the sponsoring queue? | 14:08 |
| seb128 | not going to be sponsored if it's not in there... | 14:08 |
| pitti | ricotz: ah, sure, I'll upload it | 14:08 |
| ricotz | seb128, ah, i meant upload it | 14:08 |
| ricotz | pitti, thanks! | 14:09 |
| seb128 | ricotz, not likely to happen either (vala 0.19) if somebody doesn't put an update up for sponsoring | 14:09 |
| seb128 | ricotz, currently desktop team has other priorities than packaging unstable series | 14:09 |
| seb128 | ogra_, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036448.html | 14:09 |
| pitti | seb128: c'est d'accord, j'ai le telecharge | 14:09 |
| pitti | ..chargé | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, vala 0.19 ? | 14:10 |
| pitti | (^ je crois?) | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: no, ricotz's 0.18 patch | 14:10 |
| ricotz | seb128, yes, i was speaking of upstream, jbuergi seems busy | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, ok | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, "télécharge" ;-) | 14:10 |
| SuperMatt | is canonical still tracking one version behind gnome? | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: "j'ai le téléchargé"? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | SuperMatt, canonical->ubuntu and define "one version behind" and "still" | 14:11 |
| seb128 | SuperMatt, since this cycle we decided to stay on stable GNOME series rather than track unstable ones | 14:11 |
| pitti | SuperMatt: yeah, blocked by not having logind and also we decided to stay at 3.6 feature-wise for this cycle | 14:11 |
| SuperMatt | gotcha | 14:11 |
| ricotz | seb128, just to clarify this patch is only present in vala master which hasnt seen a release this cycle yet | 14:11 |
| SuperMatt | so essentially no gnome 3.8 in raring | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, "je l'ai téléchargé" if it's done, "je le télécharge" if you are doing it | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, french is hard? ;-) | 14:12 |
| seb128 | SuperMatt, right, and no gnome 3.10 next cycle | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, the "le" goes before the "have" even, merci | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, de rien! | 14:13 |
| ricotz | seb128, was there a conclusion about gtk+ 3.7.x? | 14:13 |
| pitti | seb128: I was applying German word order | 14:13 |
| seb128 | ricotz, it might happen if somebody file the MIR for harfbuzz and figure the graphite2 depends and work then on the updates | 14:13 |
| seb128 | ricotz, not likely to happen without somebody out of canonical-desktop-team helping though | 14:14 |
| ricotz | seb128, the packages are in gnome3-staging | 14:14 |
| seb128 | so up to you and the other gnome3 ppa guys to see if you prefer to maintain it in a ppa or try to get it in the archvie | 14:14 |
| seb128 | ricotz, that doesn't solve the MIR issue :p | 14:14 |
| ricotz | yeah, just the harfbuzz mir then | 14:15 |
| seb128 | and the graphite2 thing | 14:15 |
| ricotz | this dep can be dropped | 14:15 |
| seb128 | and somebody to submit merge requests to review for those updates | 14:15 |
| seb128 | I don't plan to go try to figure out what is happening in ppas | 14:15 |
| Laney | ogra_: config file? what for? Not that I'm aware of | 14:15 |
| ricotz | seb128, i see | 14:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, I agree with you, german words order is weird, I always though so :p | 14:15 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 14:16 | |
| * pitti tu donne une accolade aussi | 14:16 | |
| pitti | "te" | 14:16 |
| pitti | argh! | 14:16 |
| seb128 | shrug, it's another of those days were nothing is moving out of proposed thanks to powerpc | 14:16 |
| seb128 | hate powerpc | 14:16 |
| pitti | FTBFS or slow? | 14:17 |
| seb128 | 6 hours backlog | 14:17 |
| seb128 | well it's getting better, but the source I was looking to has been uploaded 6 hours ago and is set to build in 15 min | 14:17 |
| Laney | the new buildd is pretty decent I've found | 14:21 |
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| ogra_ | Laney, well, to define that it is at a usable size | 14:34 |
| ogra_ | Laney, in landsacep it only occupies about 1/3 of the screen widht ... in portrait it is so small that i cant really use it | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | *landscape | 14:35 |
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| xnox | seb128: mostly due to private jobs still building on powerpc.... | 14:39 |
| Laney | ogra_: I'm sure things will improve wrt the tablet usecase over time | 14:41 |
| Laney | we'll be able to have the nemo keyboard once Qt5 exists | 14:41 |
| ogra_ | Laney, sure, i was just wondering if we could replace onboard ... | 14:41 |
| Laney | not that I know if it's better or worse | 14:42 |
| Laney | I wouldn't recommend that just now | 14:42 |
| ogra_ | but the RAM usage seems to be the same and the actual kbd isnt really usable that way yet | 14:42 |
| Laney | laney@bisquicks:~$ htop | 14:42 |
| Laney | No command 'htop' found, did you mean: Command 'hatop' from package 'hatop' (universe) | 14:42 |
| Laney | err | 14:42 |
| ogra_ | its doesnt seem to buy us anything over onboard atm | 14:42 |
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| ogra_ | uh, what ? | 14:43 |
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| Laney | I didn't suggest switching it just yet | 14:43 |
| Laney | we should wait and see what happens, but now it's in the archive so people can play with it | 14:43 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 14:46 |
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| GunnarHj | seb128: still there? | 16:56 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey, sort of | 16:56 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Hi Sebastien! Do you have time to sponsor the latest MP at bug 1103547? It's a regression fix, and we may be spared a few bug reports if it makes it into the archive fast. | 16:57 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1103547 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "drag and drop does not work language support not complete" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103547 | 16:57 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, still there for 1.5 hours but with a backlog of work worth 3 hours :p | 16:57 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: sorry ... | 16:57 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, sure, that seems easy enough | 16:57 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Great! | 16:57 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, no worry, usually end of week rush, nothing to stress about, some stuff will wait monday ;-) | 16:57 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Sounds familiar, somehow... ;-) | 16:58 |
| seb128 | :-) | 16:59 |
| jbicha | why doesn't /org/freedesktop/hostname1 work right? | 17:05 |
| seb128 | you mean? | 17:06 |
| jbicha | 2 issues, 1 is that it looks like I have to run System Settings as root to be able to change the hostname in Details (so maybe that's GNOME) | 17:07 |
| jbicha | and apparently 'Computer' in the Nautilus 3.7.5 sidebar is supposed to be named as whatever the hostname is | 17:08 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hostnamed is a systemd feature, do you run systemd? | 17:09 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-system-service doesn't provide that interface I think | 17:09 |
| seb128 | that's nothing new | 17:09 |
| jbicha | no u-s-s does, it looks like the culprit is http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/common/gnome-control-center.rules | 17:10 |
| seb128 | "org.freedesktop.hostname1.set-hostname" | 17:10 |
| seb128 | that method is provided by systemd | 17:10 |
| seb128 | no? | 17:11 |
| seb128 | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed | 17:11 |
| jbicha | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InterfacePortabilityAndStabilityChart | 17:11 |
| seb128 | well the reason why changing hostname doesn't work on Ubuntu is because we don't have hostnamed | 17:11 |
| seb128 | dunno about the ppa | 17:11 |
| jbicha | those methods are listed in d-feet too | 17:12 |
| Laney | AA | 17:12 |
| Laney | AFAICS those methods are provided by uss | 17:12 |
| seb128 | org.freedesktop.hostname1.set-hostname org.freedesktop.hostname1.set-static-hostname are indeed | 17:13 |
| seb128 | so maybe a but in u-s-s | 17:14 |
| Laney | jbicha: that rules file would affect getting the hostname but not setting it? | 17:14 |
| Laney | err the other way around | 17:14 |
| Laney | so the gcc problem but not the nautilus one | 17:14 |
| jbicha | ok I filed bug 1119596 in case someone wants to look into that | 17:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1119596 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus sidebar 'Computer' doesn't set itself to hostname correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119596 | 17:28 |
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| GunnarHj | seb128: Remember the l-s MP before you leave? ;-) | 18:22 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, merged/uploaded | 18:26 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thanks. Have a nice weekend! | 18:28 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, thanks, you as well ;-) | 18:28 |
| seb128 | jbicha, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-service/+bug/1119596/comments/1 | 18:33 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1119596 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu) "Nautilus sidebar 'Computer' doesn't set itself to hostname correctly" [Undecided,New] | 18:33 |
| seb128 | just fyi... | 18:33 |
| jbicha | seb128: thanks, that could be the problem with g-c-c too since it still didn't work after changing the group from "wheel" to "sudo" | 18:35 |
| seb128 | jbicha, could be, I need to look at what g-c-c is trying to do | 18:36 |
| seb128 | jbicha, we still plan to replace u-s-s by systemd helper (python -> C) this cycle so I think I will wait for that land to spend time on those issues | 18:36 |
| seb128 | hopefully that should fix it | 18:37 |
| seb128 | but I still need to check the comment about lack of files to start this prettyhostname and if systemd will work or if we need the file added | 18:37 |
| jbicha | ah I was wondering whether that would land this cycle, it would be nice to get autosuspend back on my computer | 18:38 |
| seb128 | jbicha, systemd helpers != logind | 18:43 |
| seb128 | we will get the tools to set date, time, hostname, etc | 18:43 |
| seb128 | not sure about logind, it's based on the systemd cgroup use | 18:44 |
| seb128 | slangasek is looking into getting that to work on Ubuntu but we are not sure it's doable | 18:44 |
| seb128 | if not we will need to implement compatible interfaces another way | 18:44 |
| seb128 | but that would probably not be this cycle... | 18:44 |
| jbicha | ok well, better date, time, and hostname would still be good | 18:46 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 18:54 | |
| ogra_ | hmm, have we lost the startup applications UI in raring ? | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | or did it just move to a new hidden place | 18:55 |
| Laney | gnome-sesion-properties (from gnome-session-bin) - still exists here | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | yeah, but only through the dash | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | there is no way to find it through g-c-c or any menu anymore | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | but well, i found it ... | 18:58 |
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| desrt | xnox: any word on those fixes to the installer image? | 21:12 |
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| ozcanesen | hey overlayscollbars disabling transparency of object, example: http://i.imgur.com/URBRRXt.png , is anybody can help me to solve this? i can't understand why? | 23:24 |
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