[00:28] IdleOne: He stopped ^ === phillw is now known as Guest92936 === jono is now known as Guest51 === emma is now known as em [04:58] * shuduo is away: auto-away [05:05] * shuduo is back (gone 00:07:21) [05:38] * shuduo is away: auto-away [05:56] * shuduo is back (gone 00:17:53) [05:57] shuduo: think you could disable that for this channel? :) [05:59] pleia2, already disabled. sorry [05:59] thank you! === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === henrix is now known as henrix_ === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [15:56] hey [15:57] yo [15:58] \o [15:59] hi [15:59] heya everybody [15:59] I hope you all had a good week [15:59] ogra_, want to lead the meeting as usual? [15:59] sure [16:00] danke ;-) [16:00] \o/ [16:00] sooo [16:00] we have sound on boot working !!!! [16:01] ogra_: nice! [16:01] i think there were also some additional RAM cutoffs (i didnt fiollow to close this week, but it should be another few MB that we got rid of) [16:01] my current desktop runs using ~390M ... but ... [16:02] right after starting up the device it etas about 600M, it goes down over time to these 390 M later ... we need to find out what causes this spike [16:03] once thats done i think we are good to tick off the thirs marker in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets [16:03] ogra_, I think still some daemons are started by default even if they should be ondemand, right seb128 ? [16:03] beyond that i think we should actually go over that table eveyr meeting (or every second one... or at least once a month) [16:03] janimo, yeah, upstart just grew session support [16:03] yeah [16:03] we should see some siginificant changes due to that soon [16:04] we daily some stuff on login [16:04] but they mostly don't exit [16:04] so I'm not sure what's creating the spike either [16:04] yeah, any delaying wont fix our ram footprint [16:04] * janimo seems to have seen signond started although he never used U1 [16:04] i suspect some whoopsie or apport run [16:04] janimo, yeah, there is a bug open for that, i thinnk ken looks into it [16:05] the images were broken for a few days btw ... [16:05] i just uploaded a roolback for a fix that seemingly caused this ... and will manually roll an image once the normal daily cronjob is done [16:06] the 08.1 images should be functional again [16:06] * ptl wished he could have that annoying click loss bug fixed and also have the latest kde plasma so he could test other tablet interfaces on his nexus7 [16:06] so pepole wanting to play with it on the weekend will have images [16:06] ptl, we all do :( [16:06] janimo, signond is fixed, signon-ui is fixed in trunk but that didn't land on raring yet [16:06] fixed = exit when not needed [16:06] ptl, (not plasma, but the click issue) [16:07] right, so ptl pointed out our worst bug still ... [16:07] do we have anyone from the X team around ? [16:07] seb128, but does it start by default in a session? [16:07] do we know if there is any progress being made ? [16:07] that seems a bit orthogonal to quitting on idle [16:07] janimo, not by default, only if an app query it [16:07] ok [16:07] * ogra_ sees neither bryce nor timo [16:07] which might be the case for e.g the files lens looking for google drive documents [16:08] janimo, how are the luxd and acceld replacement bits going ? [16:08] not much code progress this week [16:09] with lux we seem to have pushback because it needs to be yet another poll/wakeup [16:09] the 'fix' would be to piggyback on the existing poll in accel code or somewhere else but that is a gross hack [16:09] well, yeah, and the fact that you cant manually adjust the brightness if it runs isnt great either [16:09] upstream said they would not mind a dedicated lights plugin in gsd [16:09] but I don't know what our short term plans are [16:09] how do they deal with that on i.e. macbooks ? [16:10] I would not want to work on gsd if we decide in a few months we make a dedicated daemon [16:10] they ahve an ambient light sensor [16:10] and other laptops too [16:10] ogra_, probably a special daemon. I think some VAIO models have that too [16:10] so custom tools nothing in gsd [16:10] it is a function i would actually expect to live in the default brightness code of g-s-d [16:11] upstream had concerns about those light sensors and power usage I think [16:11] *sniff* [16:11] from what I read on IRC [16:11] ogra_, me too. We need to touch control center too. I guess if we don't mind the extra ubuntu patch it should be done [16:11] better than a separate shell daemon [16:11] they said they are not easy to deal with, or you need to keep the dev ice open and pull [16:11] janimo, ++ [16:11] especially since we need control center hooks [16:12] seb128, right, thats our prob too [16:12] we currently need to poll for orientation and ambient [16:12] seb128, yes that is hadess' reluctance too [16:12] janimo, i think we should have a general backend that does both püolls [16:12] but if that is how the hardware works there's no way around it [16:12] and i dont think its as gross to do it that way as you claim [16:13] ogra_, I proposed that to lukewarm reception to upstream [16:13] but yes, we may want to do that [16:13] it will save us one additional process that polls [16:13] right [16:13] ideally we would indeed have the right firmware that gives us devices with events [16:13] pitti suggested hooking it into unity even as that wakes up 60/s [16:14] urg [16:14] oh ? [16:14] putting more code in the wm [16:14] what could go wrong... [16:14] ogra_, sometimes the hw is cheap/dump so no events can come off it [16:14] right [16:14] seb128, we would have even more "unification" :) [16:15] we should move the kernel into it too or just make unity a loadable module ;) [16:15] unity in the kernel [16:15] * ppisati seconds the idea of moving kernel into unity [16:15] going to love it :p [16:15] no more inter-process communication issues :) [16:16] ppisati, are you eager to work under seb128 ? :) [16:16] ok, joke aside, let's move to the next topic ;-) [16:16] o/ [16:16] what is the next topic then ? [16:16] if there is one [16:16] vibhav, shoot [16:16] seb128, actually I am prepared to do this work as desktop team/Ubuntu gsd maintainers feel is less intrusive [16:17] if you are fine with a hacky patch for the time being that can be quickly done [16:17] janimo, yay [16:17] Is there any page listing tasks fpr new contributors? [16:17] janimo, I'm fine with a hacky patch for this cycle [16:17] I wish to join the fun too :) [16:17] \o/ [16:17] dholbach, ^^^ do we have such a page ? [16:17] vibhav, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram [16:17] any item marked as TODO welcome contributions [16:17] right, you could just pick up workitems [16:18] ogra_, for what? specifically for the nexus7 work? [16:18] or talk to the QA guys and help gathering test data [16:18] dholbach, yeah [16:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Developers is the bare minimum - tasks could be added there [16:18] vibhav, http://www.chizang.net/alex/blog/2012/11/23/memory-leaks-in-ubuntu-episode-i-detection/ as well [16:18] and the following blog post [16:18] or dig through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 [16:19] seb128, all workitems there that have no [username] are for takes? [16:19] janimo, yep [16:19] I'm taking a todo to consolidate the TODO list [16:19] and the rest assumed to actually be owned [16:19] Yeah memory leaks, I was working on some the other day [16:19] dholbach, ogra_: I will get a "how to contribute" section on the wiki next week [16:19] * ogra_ would do an "action" for the bot, but i forgot to start it :P [16:20] perfect [16:20] seb128, thanks [16:20] janimo, vibhav: any workitem that is TODO should not be started, feel free to grab those without name or ping whoever has his name on the line [16:20] Sure [16:20] I don't think any of us really want to own the fix [16:20] we should all blog/G+/facebook about that page once it exists [16:20] that would be good [16:20] get the community aware :) [16:21] well ... [16:21] seb128, do you know why some have 'rewrite in vala' while others 'rewrite in !python'? Is there no consensus inside the unity team what the blessed plugin language should be? [16:22] it's not up to the unity team [16:22] we don't really want to dictate language [16:22] something thats resulting in fast compiled binaries [16:22] if somebody prefers C that works for us [16:22] gnome now recommends javascript, just to recall :P [16:22] for apps only though [16:23] they keep C for their platform [16:23] it would be crazy to write the system stack in something interpreted [16:23] yeah [16:23] ok [16:23] so on other news, upstart session jobs seem to be on track [16:24] they are going through a first round of testing from adventurous users [16:24] it should land in raring in time for feature freeze [16:24] well not dictating but consistency of tech at least among the bits shipped by default would sure help [16:24] for carrying over maintenance/bugfixing experience [16:25] janimo, we recommend C/vala/qt/go [16:25] binary is binary ... :) [16:25] we recommend go ? [16:25] go is less for desktopish but a good choice for server components [16:25] * ogra_ definitely doesnt recommend go for mobile images :) ) [16:25] ogra_, more for server stuff [16:25] but yeah I would say C/vala/Qt for mobile [16:25] static linking is evil size wise [16:26] Qt is closer from where we are going but it's cpp [16:26] C/vala is good for gobject world [16:26] yup [16:27] ok [16:27] do we have anything else to cover? [16:27] nothing else from me [16:27] anyone else ? [16:28] is there any blocker issue we should be looking at? out of that X/click/grab issue [16:28] and the things mentioned during the meeting [16:28] ? [16:28] i dont think we have any blockers beyond that [16:28] ok, great [16:28] it actually seems to all go very smooth atm [16:29] oh, btw, usb-creator grew nexus7 installation support [16:29] * ogra_ totally forgot to mention that above [16:29] nice [16:29] btw, just as another fyi, I will try to organize a bit better the valgrinding effort next week as well [16:29] if you run a raring PC please help testing it (you need to gunzip the img.gz file first, there isnt unzipping code yet) [16:29] e.g set up a list of targets [16:30] and open some bugs [16:30] maybe blog about an example [16:30] so we get some extra traction in there [16:30] awesome ! [16:30] I also want to get extra memory usage mesure over time/usage for things like gvfs/unity lenses/indicators [16:30] we mostly did idle so far [16:30] yeah [16:30] but idle looks really good now [16:31] yeah [16:31] then you start using the dash or play with your indicator and you see we still have work :p [16:31] and the fun part is that i read everywhere how much more stable and how much faster 13.04 is for everyone testing it [16:31] even on desktops [16:31] anyway it's a good start [16:31] \o/ [16:31] so we're on a very good track here [16:31] good work everyone! [16:31] yeah [16:31] ok that, let's wrap up? [16:31] and with these words ... [16:32] have a good w.e everyone! [16:32] ogra_: the spike can be anacronjobs. [16:32] heh, could we stop saying the same differently phrased all the time ? :) [16:32] ogra_, ;-) [16:32] enjoy your weekend everybody [16:32] :P [16:32] lol [16:32] bye all [16:32] 7me goes back to #ubuntu-arm [16:59] * ptl apt-getting full-upgrading his nexus 7 and the other 5 arm devices === henrix is now known as henrix_ === henrix_ is now known as henrix === zequence_ is now known as zequence === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [18:02] whose running this show? [18:02] no I says this guy [18:02] not * [18:02] ok [18:03] #startmeeting [18:03] Meeting started Fri Feb 8 18:03:00 2013 UTC. The chair is CrestedNewt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:03] evening all - how have we progressed this week? [18:05] OK I will start then [18:06] I was supposed to have a Google Hangout with Bobweaver last week but I have spent the time clearing my desk so that I can get a better grip on where we are [18:06] I messed up and bobweaver and I are going to have a google hangout early next week [18:07] I am on live here atm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0GJO_bCHDc if you all have any question for me [18:09] tgm4883: any work on scope ? [18:10] I've done nothing more that make sure it builds on 12.04 [18:10] and it's in the PPA now [18:10] soon, I'll probably write some instructions for people to use for testing [18:14] tgm4883: I fixed the bug in previews so that it is launching using unity and not Qt anymore [18:14] added more previews [18:14] bobweaaver, nice [18:14] torrents and news [18:14] news is cool torrents is nothing special [18:15] going to have to work on getting lens backported for testing with previews [18:15] I need to do a mass re-write of the word "preview" and change it so that lens can call but that is about it on my end [18:16] OK so bobweaver - your work is almost done? [18:16] maybe we can talk about getting this done https://plus.google.com/u/0/104659991254860976283/posts/hu8MmEqvEnX === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [18:17] what are your thoughts ? [18:17] bobweaaver, which parts? [18:18] maybe we should go though each section of that for this meeting [18:18] any [18:18] ok === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [18:18] * tgm4883 awaits CrestedNewt to do the topic stuff [18:18] #topic Google+ Page === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Google+ Page [18:19] OK - looks good [18:19] lol [18:19] CrestedNewt, how about A) Setting up a documentation session. [18:20] OK, I'm all for doing some documentation. or do you mean #topic A) etc [18:21] CrestedNewt, I mean for the topic [18:21] #topic Setting up Documentation Settings === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Setting up Documentation Settings [18:21] Done [18:21] I think htat I am talking away on youtube to thin air :P [18:21] bobweaaver, probably [18:21] put that ciggie out - it's bad for you [18:22] So documentation wise, we need some decent docs on setup [18:23] Does anyone want to lead that up? [18:23] tgm4883 - I'll download the latest release and install in a VM and document [18:23] CrestedNewt, all parts? [18:23] why not [18:23] * tgm4883 notes that includes Mythtv setup [18:24] bobweaver - let me change RL room as wife is sitting next to me :D [18:25] OK back - had to switch wireless [18:25] I don't know enough about MythTV [18:26] tgm4883: I will send you video link of this record so you can watch after work or whatever [18:26] bobweaver - thanks [18:27] ok - so the documentation is all over the place at the moment - it just needs to be correlated? [18:28] Yes [18:28] so I am set with that docs that is dont know what else is needed to talk about maybe questions that you all might have [18:28] sorry this webchat thingy is messing up [18:28] I'll write up some basic mythtv instructions and hopefully someone can go though them and see what is missing [18:28] ok - I'm happy to pull that together and test it during an install [18:29] that should highlight any bugs [18:29] what is good bobweaver? [18:30] so that probably covers A and B on that list [18:31] sounds like it [18:32] tgm4883 & bobweaver - could you tell me where you have the documentation so that I can start to pull it together [18:32] I don't have much [18:33] Moving on? [18:33] just listening to bobweaver atm [18:34] #action crestednewt - setup meeting with bobweaver [18:34] ACTION: crestednewt - setup meeting with bobweaver [18:35] ok - I'm in the UK so you guys are like 6 & 7 hrs behind me [18:36] tgm4883: could you do this via google hangout with me if so what is the best time for you ? [18:36] when are you free tgm4883? [18:36] Not sure what we're talking about right now [18:37] ok - bobweaver is talking on a youtube channel - makes it a bit hard to document but he is talking about a G+ Hangout between the 3 of us [18:37] we have to set a time to do this the meeting for the public [18:37] CrestedNewt, right, for what reason? [18:37] to get the public involed [18:37] well more that is [18:37] but what are we going to discuss? [18:38] I think we need to get the installation adocumentation ironed out and fluid [18:38] like a basic setup and things to look out for when buying card ect [18:38] I just need some guiding on that from both of you [18:39] I'll try to get some information together for that [18:39] I am hoping by having this that we will not have to doc and the public will doc [18:39] mainly because of my learning disability [18:39] that's why I am here - I can document into a wiki and then that can be updated [18:40] Like I could ask you a coupld of questions about myth how long you have been using it [18:40] at least there will be a start point [18:41] OK, so you want 30 minutes with tgm4883 about the video capture hardware [18:42] for the public to be aware of what HW will work as a minimum [18:42] I would ask tgm4883 questio ns like D) How to prep a computer for Myth TV [18:42] what is good hardware ? [18:43] where to get help [18:43] so for that, I'm going to documents a few tuners depending on your location/use case [18:43] how long you been using mythbuntu [18:43] hardware wise, I'm going to leave minimum system requirements for bobweaaver to figure out [18:43] bobweaaver, me? [18:43] and this is to be recorded and put up on youtube? [18:44] y [18:44] * tgm4883 is one of the founding developers of Mythbuntu [18:44] Live [18:44] ok - so it is a living manual [18:44] people will be able to ask questions via chat [18:45] My goal for the Mythtv documention is to end up with a "quick start guide", similar to what you get when buying a new computer/TV/stereo equipment [18:45] that is perfect [18:46] but whta is good time for you ? [18:46] weekends ? [18:46] OK, I think I have a handle on this..... tgm4883 - yes with a link then back to the online for more advanced tasks? [18:46] will take 30 min tops [18:46] bobweaaver, usually yes, but I'm going out of town this weekend [18:46] tgm4883 - enjoy!! :D [18:46] yeah I amm also busy [18:46] ok - what about Monday sometime? [18:46] maybe 2 weeks from now ? [18:47] the problem with 2 weeks from now is it puts us a bit further back [18:47] anything but this weekend is good for me [18:47] meaning anything but thsi weekend [18:47] lol @ bobweaver - got it mate [18:47] anything during the week is going to mean really late for CrestedNewt [18:48] well - I just need to drink less and stay up late :D [18:48] lol [18:49] tgm4883 - I can do up to midnight UK time, which would mean 6pm East Coast time [18:49] We just have to have a date that way we can tell public the time and place ect [18:49] We're getting to the end of our time, are there any community questions this session? [18:49] #topic Q&A === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Q&A [18:49] CrestedNewt, I couldn't do earlier than 9PM East coast time [18:49] all the things do not need to be done in one day though that would be good [18:50] tgm4883 - ouch!! that may not work [18:51] tgm4883 - will e-mail you later on some idea's [18:51] allright we got 10 min I say we go to questions unless there are none are there any Questions ? [18:51] The floor is open - anyone have any questions for tgm4883 & bobweaver? [18:52] no-one? [18:52] good less to do :) [18:52] LOL!!! [18:52] I say that we are done what about you all ? [18:52] agreed [18:53] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:53] Meeting ended Fri Feb 8 18:53:14 2013 UTC. 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