[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <geser> good morning
[07:33] <Rhonda> *tap tap tap*
[07:34] <Rhonda> … finally trying to upload to my ppa again. Let's see how many tries I need this time. ;)
[07:35] <geser> how many tries did you need last time?
[07:36] <Rhonda> No clue - too long ago (a year it seems), so that's why I fear to fumble. :)
[07:36] <Rhonda> Accepted:
[07:37]  * Rhonda blinks.
[07:38] <Rhonda> uhm
[07:38] <Rhonda>  Currently building on wani03 (arm ppa builder) Cancel build
[07:38] <Rhonda> Architecture:
[07:38] <Rhonda> i386
[07:38] <Rhonda> … how does that match?
[07:39] <Rhonda> i386 ppas get built on arm?
[07:43] <StevenK> Rhonda: They do not.
[07:44] <StevenK> The ARM builders are virtualized, so we can flip them between whatever we want
[07:44] <Rhonda> It just confused me. :)
[07:44] <StevenK> Like that's hard. :-)
[07:55] <Rhonda> pah :)
[07:56] <Rhonda> Why doesn't wiki.ubuntu.com/PPA #redirect to the proper page?  … and, while we are at it, what page would that be? ;)
[07:57] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: I'd say https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[07:59] <StevenK> Rhonda: Because PPAs are a Launchpad thing, and not an Ubuntu thing?
[08:00] <tumbleweed> well, they are an Ubuntu-thing that's outside Ubuntu
[08:01] <tumbleweed> it's hard to say they aren't an Ubuntu thing, when they fit on the Ubuntu archive, not any other distro
[08:01] <Rhonda> StevenK: And Launchpad is not an Ubuntu thing?
[08:01] <tumbleweed> it isn't
[08:02] <Rhonda> So why is it used for Ubuntu then? :)
[08:02] <Niraj_> hi, I have a small bash patch that'll search for commands on up-down arrow key. an extension to 'history-search-forward' and 'history-search-backward'. Does anyone think it might be useful?
[08:02] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: <nitpick>So you say all the bugs in Ubuntu are not an Ubuntu thing</nitpick>
[08:03] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: launchpad.net/ubuntu, that's Ubuntu
[08:03] <tumbleweed> launchpad.net/foo isn't
[08:04] <Rhonda> Right, but you didn't specify that.  Launchpad is pretty much an Ubuntu thing.  The majority of it is.
[08:04] <tumbleweed> yes, built for Ubuntu
[08:04] <tumbleweed> but there are upstreams, downstreams, and unrelated projects on it
[08:05] <Rhonda> I know, it was built to be open, part of the original design already.
[08:05] <tumbleweed> yeah
[08:07] <Rhonda> And especially, PPAs are tight to Ubuntu releases and not open to other distributions (which was requested and rejected, if you remember the discussions, StevenK), so stating that PPAs aren't an Ubuntu thing but a Launchpad thing is all but a nitpick and itches me a bit.
[08:16] <maxb> PPAs are a service provided by Launchpad that just happens to only be targetted at Ubuntu
[08:16] <maxb> Hence they're more Launchpaddy than Ubuntuy
[08:42] <Rhonda> huh
[08:42] <Rhonda> syncpackage asks me for a password for a new keyring?  That's new to me.
[08:42] <tumbleweed> that's python-keyring
[08:43] <tumbleweed> it was using python-crypto insecurely
[08:43] <Rhonda> So what is that used for?
[08:43] <Rhonda> And when/where will I need the password again?
[08:45] <tumbleweed> storing your launchpad oauth tokens
[08:45] <tumbleweed> next time you run it, I guess
[08:45] <tumbleweed> it uses gnome-keyring / kwallet, if available
[08:46] <tumbleweed> but clearly they aren't
[10:02] <arand> Does anyone have any clue as to why apps.ubuntu.com would differ from the actual state of packages, as per comments on http://askubuntu.com/questions/252546/install-gnome-onscreen-keyboard-gok-in-ubuntu-12-04 ?
[10:05] <pipedream> apt-cache show gok
[10:05] <pipedream> N: Can't select versions from package 'gok' as it is purely virtual
[10:05] <pipedream> N: No packages found
[10:08] <pipedream> apt-cache show gdm|grep gok
[10:08] <pipedream> Suggests: libpam-gnome-keyring, locales, uswsusp, gnome-power-manager, gnome-mag, gnome-orca, gok
[10:12] <xnox> ESphynx: ok. i'll peak at it.
[10:16] <arand> pipedream: Hmm, I thought virtual packages only really existed when they were provided by something?
[10:17] <pipedream> yes, weird, I think something is wrong there
[10:18] <arand> apt-cache showpkg gok  gives me gdm3 and education-desktop-gnome on Debian here, but no reverse provides...
[10:20] <Rhonda> Wow, the amd64 build queue seems to be looong.
[10:20] <Rhonda> Are there any troubles with those?
[10:21] <Laney> you can see that?
[10:21] <Laney> I get forbidden
[10:22] <Rhonda> Laney: Whom do you ask?
[10:23] <Laney> Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/builders
[10:23] <Laney> that's where you see the build queues - what are you looking at?
[10:23] <xnox> I'm currently Not allowed there.
[10:23] <Rhonda> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~rhonda/+archive/pgadmin3/+build/4284748
[10:24] <Rhonda> "Startsin 9 hours"
[10:24] <Laney> oh, a PPA
[10:24] <xnox> Private recipes are triggering /builders not be accessible =(
[10:24] <Laney> that kind of thing happens sadly
[10:24] <Laney> you'll be able to see how many builds are waiting once the /builders page opens up again
[10:24] <Rhonda> i386 starts more-or-less immediately, but amd64 seems to take hours before it even starts.
[10:24] <xnox> Rhonda: are you after postgresql 9.2 stack?
[10:24] <Laney> sometimes buildds are borrowed from amd64 to i386 for example
[10:25] <Laney> or taken for various reasons
[10:25] <Rhonda> xnox: wesnoth has the same delay of hours.
[10:25] <Rhonda> And that doesn't B-D on pg :)
[10:25] <Laney> if you need it urgently #launchpad can fiddle the relative priority
[10:25] <Rhonda> No, absolutely not needed, just wondered.
[10:26] <Laney> yeah, just one of those best effort things
[10:39] <Rhonda> Uhm, who is responsible for screenshots.ubuntu.com?
[10:40] <Rhonda> It points to a different IP than screenshots.debian.net, but it seems to be the same thing, and the /about page also reads the same.
[10:40] <Rhonda> This is confusing, especially since pabs who is noted there as being maintainer of it isn't aware of it. :)
[10:45] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: I'd imagine the software-centre people
[10:45] <Laney> it seems to be a Canonical IP, so I suppose it's some kind of mirror / proxy
[10:46] <Laney> headers imply so
[10:54]  * Laney pokes broder about the lintian lab
[11:21] <Rhonda> Laney: Right, haven't thought about doing a HEAD on the screenshots.u.c page.
[12:46] <Rhonda> what the …  why would a package build on amd64 for PPA but not on i386?
[12:46] <Rhonda> What detail am I missing here?
[12:47] <Laney> you mean FTBFS?
[12:47] <Rhonda> yep
[12:47] <Laney> i386 builds arch:all
[12:47] <Rhonda> … just figured I guess
[12:48] <Rhonda> yes, binary-indep failed on i386
[12:48] <Rhonda> Thanks. :)
[13:08] <ESphynx> 'morning
[13:09] <ESphynx> xnox: did you get the chance to peek at that .debdiff? :)
[14:26] <ESphynx> fontconfig, freetype, libjpeg, libpng, mesa-gl -- have these things been multiarched yet? They're apparently not in Quantal :|
[14:27] <Laney> (quantal-amd64)root@raring:/# apt-cache show libpng12-0 | grep Multi-Arch
[14:27] <Laney> Multi-Arch: same
[14:28] <ESphynx> hmm talking about the dev package though
[14:30] <ESphynx> it's truly annoying that installing amd64 deletes the i386 libraries even though they're located inside /usr/lib/i386-gnu-linux :S
[14:57] <Rhonda> Hmm.  If I delete a package from my PPA - how long does it usually take until it is really gone?
[14:57] <Rhonda> Or will I even tomorrow receive a reject mail for a fixed upload with the same version number?
[20:28] <ScottK> Rhonda: IIRC you still have to you a new version.  It's like the archive in that regard.
[20:37] <Rhonda> :/
[21:10] <lifeless> ScottK: Rhonda: it is an archive, works the same way