| infinity | cjwatson: Now that we've migrated d-i and switched precise images to -updates, any qualms about me letting the kernel SRU PPA->proposed process carry on as usual? | 00:04 |
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| infinity | cjwatson: (Obviously won't be promoting anything to updates until post-.2) | 00:04 |
| cjwatson | Hmm - I think that's fine, if we need to rebuild d-i we can turn off -proposed in it | 00:04 |
| infinity | Shouldn't need to anyway. | 00:05 |
| infinity | Should we? | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | Shouldn't. But it's possible | 00:05 |
| infinity | d-i doesn't pull in metapackages, and the kernels are addressed by strict ABI. | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | Oh ISWYM | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 00:05 |
| infinity | Right, I'll turn the crank, then and unblock their process. | 00:06 |
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| psivaa | cjwatson: Thanks for the fix for the precise d-i kernel mismatch. Raring server images have similar issues today :) | 09:17 |
| cjwatson | I guess they would. Will look | 09:19 |
| infinity | psivaa: Was just transient. Bad luck on migration timing. | 09:43 |
| cjwatson | infinity: you forgot to update the seeds too ... | 09:44 |
| cjwatson | psivaa: should be happier now | 09:44 |
| infinity | Oh, bah. | 09:44 |
| cjwatson | (I updated the seeds and respun) | 09:44 |
| infinity | As noted, crap night here at casa del finity. | 09:44 |
| cjwatson | *nod* go sleep. | 09:45 |
| cjwatson | not that that ever works when people tell me that. | 09:45 |
| infinity | I'll give it a good effort. | 09:46 |
| psivaa | infinity: cjwatson: ok thanks, in any case i have had a bug opened to account the failure in the dashboard. I'll close it when the tests start passing | 09:46 |
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| cjwatson | OK, precise builds from here on in should (hopefully) be posted to the .2 milestone on the trackers | 10:17 |
| cjwatson | localized-iso.qa already had such a milestone with a weird name - didn't notice until after creating the iso.qa one so they're inconsistent, but *shrug* | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | jdstrand: If you have any security updates for precise between now and next Thursday, please consult with me first - I need to know about them for image preparation. | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | jdstrand: I've left copy-report enabled for now | 10:25 |
| ev | Wubi for 12.04.2 is in place but unsigned. RT 59244 will fix that. | 10:58 |
| Laney | ISTR a file somewhere that shows the size difference between consecutive image builds — where is it? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, there is a iso-deb-size-compare in ubuntu-archive-tools | 12:32 |
| seb128 | by then pitti was running it somewhere in the CD to look at those things IIRC | 12:32 |
| seb128 | but I'm probably not the best placed to reply to that question | 12:33 |
| Laney | fair | 12:36 |
| * Laney prods around nusakan | 12:37 | |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: ok, I'll pass that along to the team as well | 12:50 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: openjdk-6 and qt4-x11 are two | 12:51 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: wait for qt4-x11, there is a subsequent upload coming once kde finished to build on powerpc | 12:52 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: for precise? | 12:53 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: oh sorry, I thought you were talking about the NEW raring queue | 12:53 |
| didrocks | ignore me then ;) | 12:53 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: oh, and postgresql-9.1 | 12:55 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: mdeslaur is handling qt4-x11 and postgresql | 12:55 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: I'm handling openjdk-6 | 12:56 |
| jdstrand | I was planning to push openjdk-6 on monday (late) | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | I need to check what images those are on before you push anything | 12:57 |
| mdeslaur | I was planning on pushing qt4-x11 and postgresql monday also | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | openjdk-6 is on Ubuntu server | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | qt4-x11 is on practically everything | 12:59 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: iiuc, this won't actually hurt the images becuase while we might pull during the install, it is by hitting the archive, but adobe-flashplugin/flashplugin-nonfree should be getting an update today | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | postgresql-9.1 is on Ubuntu server | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | flashplugin isn't a problem | 13:00 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: same for acroread? | 13:00 |
| cjwatson | yes | 13:00 |
| jdstrand | k | 13:00 |
| cjwatson | any chance of deferring qt4-x11/postgresql-9.1/openjdk-6 to Tuesday? thing is I'm on leave on Monday but I would really like to take a view on what the state of image testing is just before you push them | 13:01 |
| cjwatson | otherwise I guess I could stop propagation from precise-security to precise-updates and if need be I can build images without -security | 13:01 |
| mdeslaur | I have no issue with deferring until tuesday | 13:01 |
| cjwatson | not hugely comfortable with that as a last-minute measure though | 13:02 |
| cjwatson | I basically just don't want to risk introducing regressions if we have to respin | 13:02 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: openjdk-6 is a pretty bit update with 35+ CVEs fixed in it. I won't be done with testing til late monday (local), so I could wait until tuesday (early-midday). would that help? | 13:03 |
| jdstrand | s/bit/big/ | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | it would, yes, thanks | 13:03 |
| jdstrand | ok | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | I should have a pretty clear idea of things by then | 13:03 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: I'll still ping you before I do anything | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | BTW Kubuntu folks it's probably worth starting some 12.04.2 testing now | 13:04 |
| cjwatson | Riddell,ScottK: ^- | 13:04 |
| cjwatson | jdstrand: thanks | 13:04 |
| Riddell | I've got my ninjas onto it | 13:04 |
| * cjwatson starts work on the 12.04.2 change summary | 13:09 | |
| smartboyhw | cjwatson, where is the changes summary for Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS? | 14:19 |
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| cjwatson | smartboyhw: I'm writing the full changes summary for everyone at the moment; as for Ubuntu Studio release notes, it's the Ubuntu Studio developers' job to write them, not mine | 14:38 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio ← fill them in here as needed; see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-February/001011.html for general guidance | 14:38 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: hey, just noticed something wrong on the tracker, the precise dailies are only publishing in 12.04.2 and not in daily, so my guess is that isotracker.conf is wrong on nusakan | 14:51 |
| stgraber | (they should all be posted to the Daily milestone and the tracker will automatically copy those to 12.04.2 if they're in the manifst) | 14:52 |
| stgraber | *manifest | 14:52 |
| cjwatson | Oh really? It had been posting them to the daily up to now | 14:53 |
| cjwatson | Ah, but I only just created the milestone | 14:53 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: Go ahead and fix, then, sorry about that | 14:54 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: fixed | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | (Somebody has it open so I assume that's you) | 14:55 |
| * cjwatson lands https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/12.04.2 on the wiki with a giant thud | 14:55 | |
| stgraber | yeah, basically we always push to Daily, then if any active milestone has the copy-based-on-manifest flag set and matches the series, any product in the manifest gets copied to that milestone. | 14:56 |
| stgraber | I'll do a quick grep on the wiki, might be that we still say to edit isotracker.conf on there | 14:56 |
| cjwatson | I think I just misunderstood your earlier comments, but feel free | 14:56 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: hey, we just noticed that qemu isn't in the server packageset. I just added it by hand now but can you make sure it sticks? | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: it's in core - I've added an exception | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | so removed from core now | 15:36 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks. | 15:36 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: thanks | 15:40 |
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| skaet | mvo, can you trigger the GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate for raring? so things are right for Edubuntu and Kubuntu next week. | 16:06 |
| skaet | hmm.. not seeing mvo on line. | 16:09 |
| skaet | slangasek, cjwatson - are either of you able to trigger the App Database Update for Raring? | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | no, needs access to rookery. bdmurray might be able to do it | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | (mvo doesn't have such access any more) | 16:15 |
| stgraber | was just about to mention that ;) | 16:15 |
| skaet | ah, we'll need to update the process page then. | 16:15 |
| skaet | bdmurray, can you help? | 16:15 |
| skaet | thanks cjwatson, stgraber | 16:16 |
| bdmurray | skaet: I don't know anything about that and looking around on bignay (which used to be rookery) I don't see anything obvious. | 16:21 |
| skaet | thanks for looking bdmurray | 16:21 |
| skaet | slangasek, any ideas on how we can get this happening now? | 16:22 |
| * skaet sees that slangasek is down to be working on Raring Alpha 2 a well.. ;) | 16:22 | |
| * xnox had a session booked with mvo about Appinstall data stuff but missed pinging him about having a chat about that. | 16:26 | |
| slangasek | skaet: I know nothing more about it than bdmurray does; I think we'll need to ask mvo | 16:34 |
| slangasek | xnox: will you follow up with mvo, then? | 16:34 |
| xnox | slangasek: yeah. will try to catch up with him over weekend / on monday. Same timezone helps. | 16:35 |
| skaet | thanks xnox, please let us now if there's going to be a problem with having this done on monday for the alpha 2 image? | 16:36 |
| xnox | ack. | 16:38 |
| slangasek | are there any alpha2 images being released that use it? | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | there's no reason for it to block images if it doesn't happen | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | milestones are a convenient point to remember to update it every so often, that's all | 16:39 |
| stgraber | slangasek: I guess Edubuntu does but we don't particularly care about it being a bit outdated | 16:40 |
| * slangasek nods | 16:40 | |
| antarus | for a minute I thought you meant Ubuntu for alpha arch | 16:40 |
| antarus | I have not yet had my coffee :x | 16:40 |
| * antarus might have an alpha in his closet somewhere | 16:40 | |
| slangasek | antarus: you're looking for NCommander | 16:41 |
| antarus | :) | 16:41 |
| antarus | slangasek: weird arches fell out of favor with me long ago ;p | 16:41 |
| NCommander | slangasek, :-P | 16:44 |
| * NCommander might someday make the threat of a Ubuntu/m68k port a reality | 16:45 | |
| stgraber | I may still have some old Palm PDA around with a m68k-ish (dragonball) cpu ;) | 16:48 |
| antarus | most of the Gentoo ports are done by vapier and armin76 | 16:49 |
| antarus | I lost interest after learning that compiling anything on a 143mhz ultra 1 takes *forever* | 16:49 |
| stgraber | imagine on a 8Mhz m68k ;) | 16:50 |
| antarus | qemu? ;p | 16:50 |
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| psivaa | cjwatson: bdmurray: the verification of 1066347 with apt-clone 0.2.2ubuntu3 failed on precise. (have reported a new one, bug 1119621 just in case) | 18:18 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1119621 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) " KeyError: "filename './etc/apt/sources.list' not found" during precise desktop installation on a system that already had precise installed." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119621 | 18:18 |
| xnox | psivaa: how did you verify? | 18:19 |
| xnox | psivaa: precise images were switched to using -updates only and that package in in -proposed only. So verifying that using a daily is tricky and involves in place upgrade of apt-file. | 18:20 |
| psivaa | xnox: i verified using 0.2.2ubuntu3 from precise-proposed | 18:21 |
| cjwatson | yeah, that bug has missed the boat for 12.04.2 now in any event | 18:21 |
| psivaa | cjwatson: ok :) | 19:16 |
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| mdeslaur | cjwatson: can I release a cfingerd security update? It's in universe, shouldn't have any impact I would imagine. | 19:33 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: Go nuts. | 19:43 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: thanks | 19:43 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: Oh crap, I still need to get sssd out of your PPA. | 19:43 |
| * infinity does that. | 19:43 | |
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| cjwatson | mdeslaur: yeah, stuff that isn't on any images is fine | 20:14 |
| mdeslaur | cjwatson: thanks | 20:15 |
| ScottK | Whoever accepted opendkim, would you please accept powerpc too? | 21:08 |
| infinity | I can. | 21:08 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:09 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, I was just hammering on new-binary-debian-universe :) | 21:12 |
| stgraber | can someone please reject lxc in both precise-proposed and quantal-proposed? hallyn just spotted a bug in my dnsmasq fix which I'll now push to raring and re-upload both SRus | 21:19 |
| infinity | stgraber: Done. | 21:20 |
| stgraber | infinity: thanks | 21:20 |
| stgraber | and lxc re-uploaded everywhere | 21:29 |
| stgraber | (ignore queuebot for precise, it's confused by the precise-backports lxc ;)) | 21:32 |
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| bdmurray | psivaa: your traceback has code and line numbers that indicate it was not the version of apt-clone from -proposed but rather from -updates | 23:11 |
| phillw | bdmurray: soz to ping, but a real quick question... is the grub2 in raring going to remove old kernels once it has ~3 / 5 already on the system? I'm not sure if I saw it do it on my ubuntu system or when I was on my CentOS system and some has just queried why they have 26 old kernels :) | 23:33 |
| cjwatson | grub2 has nothing to do with removing old kernels | 23:33 |
| cjwatson | apt in raring has arrangements to remove old kernels if you use 'apt-get autoremove' | 23:34 |
| antarus | afaik we are working on a open source pruner | 23:34 |
| cjwatson | we have one, it's in apt-get autoremove :) | 23:34 |
| antarus | did it exist in lucid? | 23:34 |
| cjwatson | no | 23:34 |
| antarus | ahh | 23:34 |
| antarus | that would be why then | 23:34 |
| antarus | how smart is it in terms of not removing the running kernel, or the kernel that grub has selected to run next? | 23:35 |
| antarus | I will totally ditch ours to use yours, if it works ;p | 23:35 |
| cjwatson | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal | 23:35 |
| cjwatson | pretty smart | 23:35 |
| antarus | thx | 23:35 |
| phillw | cjwatson: thanks.. and that is going to be new to raring? I'd like to tell him and also update the wiki areas on 'how to remove old kernels'. | 23:35 |
| cjwatson | it's in raring, yes | 23:35 |
| antarus | cjwatson: ah, raring but not P | 23:36 |
| antarus | ? | 23:36 |
| infinity | Oh balls, I didn't upload that for precise. | 23:36 |
| phillw | i know centos keeps the most recent 3 by default, but they still use grub 0.9.. | 23:36 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I'm totally too late for you, aren't I? | 23:36 |
| cjwatson | infinity: too late now I think :-/ | 23:36 |
| infinity | phillw: grub doesn't relate at all. | 23:36 |
| cjwatson | I kept meaning to remind you ... | 23:36 |
| antarus | infinity: for us, we will backport it internally if needed | 23:36 |
| cjwatson | grub2 moves old kernels off into a submenu, but it has nothing to do with actually removing them from the system and it never will. | 23:37 |
| infinity | phillw: Also, RHEL/Cent very rarely bump ABI, so the problem appears less pronounced. | 23:37 |
| antarus | infinity: wehre can I find teh source? | 23:37 |
| phillw | infinity: my fault, it is a clean-up in apt? | 23:37 |
| cjwatson | antarus: it does rely on you being generally able to run apt-get autoremove | 23:37 |
| antarus | cjwatson: safe to run in pkg.postinst? | 23:37 |
| antarus | or unsafe? | 23:37 |
| cjwatson | hell no | 23:37 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Well, I can upload it today regardless, and we can just not let it in. | 23:37 |
| antarus | I figured not | 23:37 |
| antarus | cron it is then ;) | 23:37 |
| cjwatson | probably impossible to run in a postinst due to reentrancy | 23:37 |
| cjwatson | infinity: it can be in -proposed at least | 23:37 |
| cjwatson | and we'll see how validation looks | 23:38 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Right, that's what I meant. | 23:38 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Let me do the backport now, so we can point antarus to it. | 23:38 |
| antarus | thank you | 23:38 |
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