[00:12] <redtape-renegade> Great gPodder has finished d-loading all of the podcast backlog .. Right, I've got FLOSS weekly, Going Linux, or Ubuntu UK LoCo team podcast; which one should I listen to first ?? .
[00:13] <redtape-renegade> & if you say the Ubuntu podcast plz give me hint as to which pod.number is a goodie ..
[00:17]  * redtape-renegade rolls a rather 12 sided dice ..                                                                             & a rollie :)
[00:17] <daftykins> you sir have lots of vices
[00:19] <redtape-renegade> only one matey, but I heard if you smoke only 20 rollie.s a day your chances of the big 'c' only go up by 8%  ( british lung foundation ).
[00:20] <redtape-renegade> total loss = 7.89 per week.
[00:20] <redtape-renegade> Manx pounds obviously ..
[00:21] <daftykins> ;)
[00:22]  * redtape-renegade wishes the term GMP was more prolific and not just on xe.com .. but there you go.
[00:26] <redtape-renegade> BTW daftykins TPB_AFK comes out at 5pm today :)  :)  :)  .. may not be your thing .. but I did crowdfund the project..
[00:26] <daftykins> what's that? if it's pirate bay related nah i don't use that
[00:28] <redtape-renegade> k .. no prob.s  .. just a kind of contemporary cyber-punk film/doc.  but I understand.
[00:29] <daftykins> oic a doc
[00:29] <daftykins> interesting
[00:29] <redtape-renegade> it is .. but I'm curious at your curiosity ..
[00:30] <daftykins> ja i assumed incorrectly it was something else
[00:30] <redtape-renegade> most people do ..                          (trinity quote ;) )
[00:30] <daftykins> definitely curious about those guys history
[00:31] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:34] <redtape-renegade> I had a day dream once that they would do a kck.st/ about buying Sealand for the 30 million they originally asked for .. but that says more about my preocupation about crowdfunding and it's limits about if someone will eventually go completely cyber-punk and crowdfund with intl. bit-coins; more than anything else.
[00:34] <redtape-renegade> I would act on that last remark. jus for the lateness..
[00:35] <redtape-renegade> **I wouldn't ... (!!)
[00:35] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:37] <redtape-renegade> Wow strawberry fields at 1pm .. http://2fm.rte.ie/ click on 'listen' .. if you dare ...
[00:37] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/gallery/J7sv8
[00:38] <daftykins> ^very interesting
[00:42] <redtape-renegade> Yeah  have seen that before on my odysseys .. Isn't it the basis for these-type films? www.imdb.com/title/tt1130884/  [note this is irrelevant to our geography's, per say ].
[00:43] <daftykins> purrhaps
[00:44] <redtape-renegade> I could have good to central courts today to support a hearing , but I decided Lubuntu was more interesting :)
[00:45] <daftykins> was it a worthy cause?
[00:45] <shauno> there's a couple of islands like that in lake michigan.  abandoned settlements
[00:46] <redtape-renegade> Not really . It was the difference between manx law and EU law kinda case .. fascinating for the anal, but that's about it. Not me.
[00:47] <daftykins> mmm
[00:51] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: Was that a bookmark or did you source if from a particular website (where ?) ???
[00:52] <daftykins> sometimes people link to imgur, then i look at the group of images on the upper right that are... recent or popular uploads, i don't know which
[00:52] <daftykins> most people find them via time-wasting websites such as reddit i think
[00:52] <redtape-renegade> yeah, thought as much.
[00:52] <daftykins> but i personally can't stand those
[00:52] <daftykins> :>
[00:53] <redtape-renegade> reddit (!) .. caused harry-carry from the founder didn't it ?                 Figures.
[00:56] <shauno> he wasn't a founder, and it wasn't a cause.  just to be picky
[01:00] <redtape-renegade> Sometime when I quit the 'Catfish' icon on my desktop - changes to the actual icon of a golden cat when I am in shuting down mode .. Is that a bug , or what .. I kinda grew fond of the cat - fella for the few milliseconds he made an appearance, wonder where  can get him back again ??
[01:01] <ali1234> it happens when gnome-settings-daemon shuts down
[01:01] <redtape-renegade> **... where I can get ...
[01:01] <ali1234> all themes revert to defaults
[01:01] <redtape-renegade> oh ok ..
[01:01] <ali1234> i dunno what "catfish" means
[01:01] <redtape-renegade> so can I change the icon, or what .. as it's on the system already ??
[01:02] <redtape-renegade> it's a basic search engine, also a fish.
[01:21] <redtape-renegade> Dropbox linx doesn't show up in PCManFM .. is that common ..
[01:22] <redtape-renegade> ** ... ??
[01:25] <ali1234> ah you're using LXDE or something?
[01:25] <ali1234> in that case, i have no idea
[01:28] <redtape-renegade> ali1234: Got it working now .. askubuntu is really good ! Here's catfish ::: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/catfish%20selection%20Lubuntu.png
[01:31] <redtape-renegade> ali1234: Did you mention commodore before ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/1001_Things_to_do_with_your_Commodore_64.pdf
[01:32] <redtape-renegade> !off topic watch .. /me facepalms .
[01:48] <redtape-renegade> !catfish
[02:36] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: Not sure if you are still up , but this screenshot of my wallpaper perfectly encapsulates the sentiment of the users of #ubuntu-uk, at least to me.. good luck/night mate :::: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Never%20get%20outta%20the%20boat-%20screen%20shot%20Lubuntu%20Feb2013.pdf
[08:40] <popey> Morning
[08:43] <jpds> popey: Moin.
[08:45] <jennie> how do I accelerate mouse in ubuntu , the default settings are not allowing me accelerate mouse. I am using 12.10
[08:57] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[09:15]  * Laney is reminded about findus crispy pancakes
[09:15] <Laney> used to love those
[09:17] <kvarley> popey: Did you see the Raspberry Pi camera module post on their site the other day? Thought you might be interested, I know you run webcams as cctv. :)
[09:18] <kvarley> Lame, I bought CS:Source yesterday and now it's 75% off on steam. Nooooooo.
[09:22] <AlanBell> andylockran: did you get sphinx working from PHP at all?
[09:27] <kvarley> Is there some sort of indicator that would let me store bookmarks/shortcuts to apps for Unity?
[09:35] <popey> kvarley: an app launcher?
[09:36] <kvarley> popey: Yeah, but with my own shortcuts if that makes sense? I basically want some sort of app drawer so I can add all my git repositories to it. At the moment I'm opening git-cola and everytime browsing to where my git repos are, I'd like a shortcut for each repository.
[10:03] <hawkal> I read that adduser is perl script that uses useradd. Does anyone know where I could find an example of the standard command executed by adduser to useradd?
[10:03] <hawkal> When I create a user using useradd something breaks and I cant switch to that user
[10:04] <popey> hawkal: why use useradd and not adduser?
[10:05] <hawkal> I'm trying to use it in a long command but adduser breaks out of the proccess
[10:08] <hawkal> useradd doesn't but it doesn't create the user properly unless I'm missing something.
[10:14] <jennie> what is steam channel name for linux please tell
[10:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:17] <AlanBell> jennie: #ubuntu-steam
[10:18] <jennie> thanks
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:22] <dwatkins> hiya
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:24] <bigcalm> I'm not seeing a help item for --nocopyright in get_iplayer. Anybody know what it does or if it does anything?
[10:25] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:25] <popey>         nocopyright     => [ 1, "nocopyright!", 'Display', '--nocopyright', "Don't display copyright header"],
[10:26] <popey> i.e. the bit you see when you start get_iplayer
[10:26]  * popey notes it's perl, so bigcalm could have grepped the source for nocopyright ☺
[10:27] <bigcalm> popey: it's early and sometimes somebody know without digging. Thanks though ;)
[10:27] <popey> lol digging
[10:28] <xnox> jay as shipped in precise does not have '-z' flag.
[10:28] <bigcalm> Why rtfm when you can just ask on irc?
[10:28]  * xnox is confused by xkcd.
[10:30] <andylockran> AlanBell: I didn't personally, but the dev team I was working with did.
[10:30] <andylockran> AlanBell: do you want me to link you up with someone for (free) advice?
[10:31] <Laney> xnox: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:32] <AlanBell> that would be excellent andylockran, I can't find the PHP extension for it at the moment
[10:33] <xnox> Laney: i should have totally got the JayZ refference *jeez* But I didn't know that reg.exp. quote was by Jamie Zawinski
[10:34] <Laney> you live, you learn
[10:34]  * Laney now wants to listen to alanis
[10:34]  * Laney does so
[10:34]  * bigcalm <3 today's xkcd
[10:35] <Laney> jagged little pill ofc
[10:35] <bigcalm> 1 week to new workstation delivery. Hammering f5 on the order progress page hasn't sped things up :(
[10:36] <directhex> i want a new gaming pc
[10:36] <directhex> also, i'd like to get a new laptop for the wife, her netbook is ridiculously lame
[10:36] <bigcalm> directhex: that's what my workstation is
[10:37] <directhex> i have no money /o\
[10:37] <bigcalm> Work's paying \o/
[10:37] <directhex> work paid for this x230
[10:37] <directhex> and i could probably get a T430 and X1 Carbon out of them
[10:37] <popey> directhex: do you have an amazon wishlist?
[10:37] <popey> (you should)
[10:37] <directhex> although the stupid IT manager mandates intel graphics only
[10:37] <bigcalm> Eugh
[10:37] <directhex> i.e. no bitchin' geforce on company money
[10:38] <directhex> something about supporting optimus being full of bees
[10:38] <bigcalm> My boss wanted me to have a good graphics card so that I could play games in my down time - as well as running 3 monitors from 1 card
[10:38] <directhex> you can do that with modern intel
[10:38] <directhex> tbh intel 4000 is better than a low end radeon, even in windows
[10:39] <bigcalm> GeForce GTX 660 - any good?
[10:39] <directhex> yes
[10:39] <directhex> excellent
[10:39] <bigcalm> Oh good :)
[10:39] <directhex> wife has one in her pc
[10:40] <directhex> after her 6970 burned out
[10:41] <andylockran> AlanBell: http://sphinxsearch.com/wiki/doku.php?id=php_api_docs is what I've been pointed at by my old employers team
[10:50] <AlanBell> thanks andylockran
[10:51] <AlanBell> I think the crucial sphinxapi.php is in the sphinx source, but not the package for ubuntu
[10:52] <andylockran> ah, ok
[10:52] <andylockran> AlanBell: see private msg
[10:52]  * popey cuddles his little GeForce GTX 460
[11:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:01] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:01] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: you missed some great banter at the LUG
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah I was working till just gone 22:00 though :(
[11:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: we were there until gone 11pm. Tsk :P
[11:04] <davmor2> by the time I'd got myself together got up there it would of been time to turn around and walk back :P
[11:25] <BigRedS> Whoop! I have an SSD now!
[11:25] <Adriannom> hi.  using 12.10 with gnome-fallback.  everything is good except...  i've just added a second admin user, changed uid and gid, then tried to login.  i get a desktop, but no gnome-panel.  i can ctrl-alt-t for terminal and load gnome-panel manually.  gnome-panel loads fine on my original account.  this is a formatted drive, so there were no remnants of config files etc.  any ideas?
[11:26] <Adriannom> BigRedS, me too, just setting up ubuntu on it.  faaast :)
[11:26] <einonm> Adriannom: no home directory for the new user? or, the home directory was created with the original permissions
[11:26] <Adriannom> einonm, home dir there, had original perms but i did chmod/chgrp -R
[11:26] <Adriannom> errr
[11:26] <Adriannom> chown/chgrp
[11:27] <einonm> ok :)
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry chaps - out tinternet is a bit flaky this morning...
[11:27] <Adriannom> i think maybe i forgot to chgrp before logging in, then logged out, chgrp, then login again
[11:27] <Adriannom> could that be an issue?
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\our
[11:28]  * dwatkins hands TheOpenSourcerer a wimi
[11:29] <BigRedS> Adriannom: I've got to work out the right dd incantation to make windows work first, I think...
[11:29] <einonm> Adriannom: I'd just delete the account and create a new one with the correct IDs first time
[11:30] <Adriannom> BigRedS, gl :)
[11:30] <Adriannom> einonm, ok will do
[11:32] <Whoop> BigRedS: thanks for the heads up
[11:32] <BigRedS> Whoop: haha! Bad choice of nick! :)
[11:34] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:35] <Azelphur> o.O, there's a dead cat right outside my house
[11:35]  * AlanBell grumbles at the bouncieness of the internetz
[11:35] <bigcalm> AlanBell: tether your phone while it's uppity
[11:35] <Laney> Azelphur: dinner?
[11:35] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you could make a lasagne from that
[11:35] <Azelphur> lol
[11:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:36] <Adriannom> einonm, nope, same problem
[11:36] <mungbean> that reminds me of the joke about the guy who is driving along and a cat dashes across the road
[11:37] <Adriannom> what a catastrophe
[11:37] <BigRedS> don't catastrophie jokes normally involve cats winning things?
[11:37] <mungbean> and he stops the car and sees a cat by the side of the road twitching and fitting, so he does the humane thing and clubs it over the head to put it outof its misery
[11:37] <einonm> Adriannom: out of interest, what Ids are you using? I remember something in the back of my head about them being less than, or more than 1000 is bad with ubuntu...? Anyone?
[11:38] <Adriannom> einonm, from 1001 to 1002
[11:38] <BigRedS> einonm: user accounts are > 1000 in Debian/Ubuntu generallty
[11:38] <Adriannom> einonm, i mean, i changed it from 1001
[11:38] <mungbean> then a lady rushes out of the house and says, the man just got out of the car and beat my cat to death who was merrily twiching while having a dream in the sunshine and hadn't moved all day. then the other cat strolls past unharmed
[11:38] <einonm> ah, that's right...swapping accounts between Fedora and Debian caused issues. Not your problem, Adriannom
[11:38] <mungbean> not sure if urban myth, joke, or true story
[11:39] <Adriannom> i think it was that first one mungbean ;)
[11:39] <directhex> gdm hides UIDs under 1000
[11:40] <dwatkins> "The silence is broken by wild boars or magpies in the sky..." - pigs really do fly in South Korea!
[11:40] <directhex> and adduser starts at 1000 for accounts that are not added with the --system flag
[11:40] <BigRedS> yeah, lots of things assume that uid 1000 cutoff
[11:40] <Adriannom> ok so i guess i'll try creating the account without changing the ids
[11:40] <directhex> see /etc/adduser.conf
[11:40] <einonm> that's logical
[11:41] <Adriannom> "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.Failed: running '/usr/sbin/userdel' failed: /usr/sbin/userdel returned an error (12): userdel: user adrian is currently logged in" even though i'm not logged in
[11:41] <Adriannom> did that last time too
[11:41] <directhex> Adriannom, recycled uid?
[11:41] <Adriannom> directhex, what do you mean?
[11:42] <directhex> things can get Interesting(tm) if the same uid is used on multiple accounts
[11:42] <dwatkins> I didn't think that was possible unless you manually edit /etc/passwd
[11:43] <dwatkins> certainly sounds like a Bad Idea.
[11:43] <Adriannom> directhex, fresh install.  only other account is the original from install
[11:43] <popey> why are you changing the ids?
[11:44] <Adriannom> to match my files on a different hd and my nas
[11:45] <Adriannom> ok, so it's nothing to do with changing ids.  12.10, gnome fallback.  if i create a new account and login to it, gnome-panel doesn't load
[11:46] <einonm> Adriannom: just create two accounts (1001 and 1002), then delete the first?
[11:46] <Adriannom> einonm, ah, good idea
[11:47] <Adriannom> will do, as soon as i fix gnome :P
[11:48] <dwatkins> I use UID 1000 on all my machines at home and my NAS.
[11:48] <dwatkins> not that NFS's security is particularly stringent ;)
[11:49] <Adriannom> can't really remember why i ended up as 1002
[11:49] <Adriannom> maybe my nas liked it
[11:49] <Adriannom> anyone got any ideas?
[11:49] <Adriannom> i like having more than just a desktop ;(
[11:50] <dwatkins> you want more?!?! </Dickens>
[11:51] <Adriannom> i might go as far as to say i NEED more
[11:52] <dwatkins> don't we all? ;)
[11:53] <Adriannom> you already have more, damn you
[11:54] <andylockran> :)
[11:54] <dwatkins> yes, I do
[11:54] <dwatkins> I still want more, gonna buy a NAS soon.
[11:54] <Adriannom> ;o
[11:54] <dwatkins> 9 TB should suffice for a while.
[11:54] <solarcloud> Hi there .. what happened at 3am this morning , then hey ??
[11:58] <mungbean> just received a redhat email that mentioned fedora
[11:58] <mungbean> never seen that before
[11:58] <mungbean> usually its jboss and corporate munge
[11:59] <mungbean> paradigm shifts and open hybrid cloud solutions
[12:06] <daubers> Afternoon
[12:06] <bigcalm> Erk, it's gone 12pm
[12:06] <bigcalm> Hi daubers
[12:06]  * daubers is having a day doing things he enjoys
[12:07] <daubers> Was told to by the therapist :)
[12:08] <redtape-renegade> therapist ? Anyway last night before the netsplit  got quite far with Lubuntu ..
[12:09] <bigcalm> daubers: it's always to enjoy the things you do :)
[12:09] <redtape-renegade> I made this screenshot of my system . I thnk the screenshot  perfectly illustrates the clientele that exists in this #channel .. :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Never%20get%20outta%20the%20boat-%20screen%20shot%20Lubuntu%20Feb2013.pdf   :D
[12:10] <bigcalm> Who saves a screenshot as a PDF?
[12:11] <redtape-renegade> hey, I'd frame it if I knew of a service, mate.
[12:11] <bigcalm> It makes it 2.8MB
[12:11] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:11] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok, point taken :-[
[12:13] <Adriannom> turned out to fix it i had to login to another window manager, then logout and log back into gnome...  and gnome-panel loads.  weird.
[12:13] <redtape-renegade> never sen gnome-panel .. What's it look like ?
[12:14] <redtape-renegade> **seen
[12:15] <Adriannom> tall, fluffy, with a beak
[12:16] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:16] <Adriannom> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fallbackac.jpg
[12:17] <Adriannom> at least that's ubuntu's default look
[12:21] <redtape-renegade> Adriannom: Yes, I have seen that :: Someone's been listening to too much Radiohead :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/Radiohead.kida.albumart.jpg
[12:23] <Adriannom> redtape-renegade, what do you mean?
[12:24] <redtape-renegade> Just being Silly .. it is a similar style of picture, that's all. :)
[12:24] <davmor2> redtape-renegade: hit the PrtScn button and save the png in drop box, or add it to imgurl, or add it to a u1 folder and then publish and paste the url, or ..................
[12:25] <Adriannom> redtape-renegade, ohh, so it is, i had to load the screenshot up again to get it ;)
[12:26] <redtape-renegade> davmor2: Yeah , I had figured that out. I just wanted to stretch my file format boundaries .
[12:26] <redtape-renegade> although , I've never used u1 yet , so point taken.
[12:34] <Adriannom> when i delete users it complains that they are logged in when they are not.  usermod also complains and fails for the same reason.  i have 12 lightdm processes running and only 1 user logged in.  i'm sure if i reboot it'll probably be a workaround, but what the hell could be going on?
[12:37] <Adriannom> brb
[12:37] <shauno> flashing a 25MB firmware over 9600 baud zmodem.  shoot me :(
[12:38]  * davmor2 points fingers at shauno and pulls the trigger................BANG!
[12:39] <davmor2> shauno: look at the bright side there could of been a 0 on the end of that 25 :)
[12:43] <Adriannom> back
[12:44] <Adriannom> if i restart the extra lightdm processes go away, and i can modify users that haven't logged in, but as soon as i login and logout again with any of them, the new lightdm process hangs around and i can't modify the user once more
[12:44] <Adriannom> maybe it's a problem with lightdm itself?
[13:00] <Laney> OMG radio 4 has gone silent
[13:00]  * Laney runs to the bunk... oh there it's back
[13:01] <Laney> "technical problems"
[13:03] <shauno> don't worry.  the subs don't go nuts until they lose their own comms channel *and* bbc :)
[13:54] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: Hads-Up :  My brother -in -law has opened a consultancy. He is looking to make it open-source for EU clients. How can he improve his ethical use of software in this field ?  http://www.reviveconsultancy.eu/nieuws/nieuw-kantoor-voorschoten-betrokken/3
[13:55] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Maybe you could look-in on this QnA ?
[13:56] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: ***Head-Up ... that was ...
[14:10] <redtape-renegade> OK Sod that                ... and in Other News .
[14:11] <redtape-renegade> My local Spar (redtape spits at the floor) .. has started selling Custard made with *Real* fresh custard. :)   :) Today is at least a good day in history .
[14:12] <redtape-renegade> **made with *Real* fresh cream ,, soz about that. :)
[14:21] <mungbean> and lasagne made with real horse
[14:21] <redtape-renegade> Ghehe :D
[14:23] <redtape-renegade> Doe anyone remember a Danger Mouse episode where the planet was flooded with custard ? redtape-renegade scans for the wiki-entry ..
[14:27] <redtape-renegade> Yeah released in 2001 on DVD "Danger Mouse Vol. 1: Close Encounters of the Absurd Kind!" First Episode on the DVD-series  it was so popular !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangermouse#DVD_releases
[14:36]  * redtape-renegade Adds it to the wishlist ... http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1KAR1Z9PX355O
[14:36] <bigcalm> Can't you just watch them all on YouTube?
[14:37] <bigcalm> I would have thought that it's the kind of thing to make it there
[14:40] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm: I could but when I'm stick in Bolton because a 3rd uncle or something has popped his clogs (& I 'ave to attens) , they'll be no internet .. therefore no internet .. that's where the DVD come in.
[14:40] <redtape-renegade> **comes in ..
[14:41] <redtape-renegade> **..when I'm stuck ..
[14:41]  * redtape-renegade looks for a proper keyboard..
[14:43] <redtape-renegade> testing.. testing .. cool .. compaq keyboard .. it never fails !!
[15:07] <shauno> I knew bolton was stuck in the past, but no internet?
[15:26] <redtape-renegade> I've got an idea: .. http://goo.gl/do9hH  :D
[15:48] <directhex> redtape-renegade, i've got that dvd
[15:48] <directhex> actually it's the wife's
[15:48] <directhex> but still
[15:59] <bigcalm> directhex: do you think your littleun would like Trap Door?
[16:00] <directhex> bigcalm, maybe later
[16:00] <directhex> bigcalm, problem with a lot of "classic" kids' shows is the pacing is glacial, so kids will lose interest
[16:04] <bigcalm> directhex: ah, fair enough. If you fancy it, I'll post you my copy for later use
[16:05] <bigcalm> directhex: lost all of my half-life saves. I suspect a recent update to Steam (all 170 odd mb of it). Heard of this happening to anybody else?
[16:06] <directhex> bigcalm, i have not. dunno where hl1 saves are kept
[16:21] <bigcalm> Boss has been quite pleased with SparkleShare so far. I can see it eating space locally and might have to move it to an external drive
[16:21] <bigcalm> How would I get the client to start when I login?
[16:23] <bigcalm> Ah, found it :)
[17:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: in the oddly named startup applications section :)
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: How odd!
[17:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: still took time to locate that
[17:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: on what?
[17:08] <bigcalm> xubuntu
[17:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah I'm assuming it was in the settings menu in their control center thing
[17:10] <bigcalm> Applications Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager
[17:10] <bigcalm> The confusion is that some of the items in Settings Manager are also listed within the Settings menu
[17:11] <redtape-renegade> OK then , Ebay question of the day ::: http://goo.gl/H26JC :::  Will it run Ubuntu ?   ... just before I waste a £450 present for my dad.
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: windows RT -- unlikely
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> WinRT = ARM = lock down ALL the things
[17:14] <directhex> redtape-renegade, no.
[17:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah it is a bit half soaked how they have gone about it
[17:34] <directhex> redtape-renegade, all ARM devices should be assumed to be locked to only run the OS they ship with, unless proven otherwise on a per-device basis
[18:11] <dwatkins> I was glad to discover I could put Cyanogenmod on my phone.
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I've installed it on my old Nexus One
[18:17] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: thanks for reminding me, I need to do that too - do you happen to have a link to hand for it?
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's the "Passion" device I think
[18:17] <dwatkins> ah yes
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?type=stable&device=passion
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> 7.2.0-final (yes it's an "old" version of android)
[18:18] <dwatkins> yeah, that's the highest build my HTC 'Ace' Desire HD will run, too
[18:19] <dwatkins> I think there's a Jelly Bean for one of them, but it'll probably be a bit unstable.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> there's a jelly bean build for the N1, but it's not cyanogen (but some other "custom" mod), and they've had to do some magic to port drivers over
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> and you have to hack the bootloader to change flash partition sizes
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> which means REAL chance of bricking
[18:22] <dwatkins> indeed, yes - I vaguely remember reading about as far as the part which mentioned it being potentially dangerous and stopping
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> I actually tried it.. but it was very unstable (Lots of spontaneous reboots)
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> so I reflashed with 7.2.0 which works fine for a back-up phone
[18:33] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins .. I'm putting it on my nook color this week, As I need a V.10 PDF reader for work and I was disappointed when I bought one off ebay and the guy said it was cyanogenmod when it was MIUI instead !
[18:34] <dwatkins> redtape-renegade: there's no PDF reader on it?
[18:34] <redtape-renegade> not as good as ipad no.
[18:34] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS, I'll just use CM7.2 ;)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: np :)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it even enabled the FM radion in the N1 :)
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: which I didn't know was there (because the original firmware can't use it)
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> radio*
[18:35] <dwatkins> First, however, I need to compile the application which uses my temperature sensor and throw it in the general direction of a munin pligin
[18:35] <redtape-renegade> " FM radion ".. Why isn't that the name of radio station ?
[18:35] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to set my Pi up so it can be connected to the gigantic TV at work and act as a temperature sensor, instead of it showing who is available on the telephone system
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_broadcasting
[18:37] <redtape-renegade> I'm well aware.
[18:55] <redtape-renegade> Soooo .. http://imgur.com/gallery/vwaJZ49 Does anyone have an idea what is going to happen in SW VII ????
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: looks like the Falcon won't survive
[19:01] <dwatkins> The books were written years ago, but Disney will probably make it all unicorns and rainbows.
[19:03] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: Well the Millennium was some time ago .. sigh.
[19:04] <redtape-renegade> Although if it's anything like the Tron soundtrack , I will be v. impressed.
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Unicorns with light-saber horns?!
[19:05] <redtape-renegade> Note any mention of light-sabres will get the popey-meister going, So keep it down at the back of the pub, Plz.
[19:09] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yes, and rainbows over yet another Death Star
[19:15] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins: DeathStar ? Ha ! I will file that under MCWR   [More 'Chicken-Wire' Required]    http://kck.st/14NK7zd
[19:16] <ali1234> that's awesome
[19:16] <ali1234> i would love it if they reach the goal
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: 1337 backers
[19:16] <redtape-renegade> .. no that's 'Athome'
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> too perfect
[19:17] <redtape-renegade> Just a way to get pointb on your credit card really. that's all .. you'll only get a refund !
[19:17] <redtape-renegade> **points.
[19:20] <redtape-renegade> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/461687407/kickstarter-open-source-death-star/  @12% total.
[19:21] <redtape-renegade> Thinking slightly alternatively, What better way is there to increase the traffic to gnut.co.uk (the owner) ??
[19:21] <redtape-renegade> Wonder what the registration charge was ?
[19:25] <redtape-renegade> I mean if say your website is about selling crab-apples .. just do a kickstarter with the 'owner' display - setup to advertise your website . you'll 100's of crab-apples from that slightly wearey thing we have in the garden .. at least !!
[19:25] <redtape-renegade> **you'll sell 100's of ...
[19:32] <redtape-renegade> ............. Come on Ubuntu-ist what's the biggest product or -non-event- that you can think of that will make some disruption on kickstarter ? Ideas welkome ..
[19:32] <shauno> the ability to slap people over the internet.
[19:33]  * redtape-renegade facepalms.
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it worked!
[19:33] <shauno> it's been pondered since the dawn of time.  build it and they'll come :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: you just made redtape-renegade slap himself in the face
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: which means you HAVE that ability
[19:33] <shauno> MartijnVdS: that's different.  I'm special.  my mummy told me so
[19:33] <redtape-renegade> shauno: Do you play baseball too ? v. field of dreams , me thinks.
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: haha :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: aww
[19:34] <shauno> I'm still holding out for an rfc2324-compliant coffee machine, but I'm not sure that'd be a huge seller
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> at least it's not RFC1149-compliant
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> or 2549
[19:35] <redtape-renegade> right, 'cos that would be terrible ;)
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: You wouldn't want bird droppings in your coffee
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I heard IP-enabled fridges are really coming now though
[19:36]  * redtape-renegade drinks chai -tea (twinings)
[19:36] <Azelphur> https://twitter.com/MoviesOnVM/status/299921363324518400 :P
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: people have been joking about it for ages ("why do we need ipv6? To get your fridge on the net")
[19:36] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[19:36]  * AlanBell sends error code 418
[19:37] <shauno> my fridge I'm less concerned about.  but if my coffee machine could real my calendar, and turn the boiler on when it knows I'll be up for work, that'd be a giant step for mankind
[19:37] <shauno> read, rather
[19:39] <redtape-renegade> Azelphur: That's more of a retweet than for a post here .. IMHO .. if-so, what's ya twitter handle ?
[19:39]  * MartijnVdS guesses: Azelphur
[19:39] <redtape-renegade> scanning 4 Azelphur.. on twitter ...
[19:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: madness.
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJOLwy7un3U
[19:40] <redtape-renegade> 'madness' ?? Errata : not scanning 4 Azelphur .. on twitter .
[19:41] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: lol
[19:42] <shauno> I'd love to be able to tell various appliances to power up x many minutes before the earliest appointment on ical/google calendar.  I have a very erratic shift schedule that makes just turning things on at 5am difficult
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> shauno: time for a raspberry pi + zwave
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> ask Azelphur :)
[19:43] <Azelphur> I was mainly interested in lights
[19:43] <shauno> so far, the closest I've got is that my bedroom light turns on 5 minutes before my alarm clock goes off.  but that's a very manual process
[19:43] <Azelphur> and I didn't find anything that meets my budget
[19:43] <ali1234> budget smudget
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: other solutions exist but aren't as neat (no mesh network support)
[19:44] <ali1234> all you need is some cheapola AM controlled power sockets
[19:44] <ali1234> and a AM radio module and an AVR chip
[19:44] <redtape-renegade> shauno . A mag came through from CPC today who sell Ras.Pi .. if anyone wants a copy of all the stuff they sell under the 'Pi' banner .. give me a generic address , and I'll post it to you ....
[19:45] <shauno> I have some philips hue lights.  not cheap, but it's all json over http.  very hackable
[19:45] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I don't need mesh network, this flat is tiny
[19:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: this is for built into the wall type lights.
[19:45] <ali1234> you can get AM controlled for those too
[19:46] <Azelphur> got any links?
[19:46] <ali1234> www.lmgtfy.com
[19:46] <Azelphur> forever useful.
[19:46] <shauno> so far, my crowning achievement is getting xbmc to dim the living room lights when I hit play.  this makes me a happy nerd
[19:47] <ali1234> i dont have any lights in my cave
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.coco-technology.com/shop/producten/?___store=en
[19:48] <Azelphur> 18 euros is more about how much I'd be happy to pay per light too ;)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have AYCT-102 + some ACD-300 and ACD-1000 + ACM-300
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> the USB bit is a bit expensive, but I think the protocol should be easy enough to reverse-engineer
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apparently this one works in Linux, AND with all major 433MHz "home control" brands: http://www.rfxcom.com/store/Transceivers/12103
[19:51] <Azelphur> cool
[19:51] <Azelphur> maybe that route would be better, then :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> certainly a lot cheaper ;)
[19:53] <shauno> that's the plus side of my expensive ones.  it's just http, so if I have curl, it's a viable platform
[19:53] <ali1234> http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Low-Cost-AM-Radio-Modules-122235
[19:53] <ali1234> cheapest
[19:53] <ali1234> connect to arduino... universal AM remote controller
[19:54] <ali1234> also with learning capability (if you program it)
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> so to the ones I linked.. and you don't have to solder to make those work ;)
[19:55] <Azelphur> unfortunately my electronics skills are nonexistent :(
[19:55] <Azelphur> I can actually solder, soldering is something I'm actually reasonably comfortable with
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I like my coco stuff very mcuh
[19:55] <Azelphur> the issue isn't soldering, the issue is knowing what to solder ;)
[19:55] <ali1234> that's all you need
[19:55] <ali1234> the module only has 4 pins
[19:55] <ali1234> 5v, gnd, data, antenna
[19:56] <ali1234> all you need to do is determine when to turn on and off the data line
[19:56] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:56] <Azelphur> wouldn't 5v be incompatible inside a light switch
[19:56] <ali1234> no
[19:57] <ali1234> you don't build that part yourself
[19:57] <ali1234> you buy it and then build the universal controller you self
[19:57] <ali1234> since that is the expensive part
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.webrelais.nl/IPIO+KAKU+1+v6.0+config.html
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> it's in Dutch though..
[19:57] <brobostigon> woop, pink floyd, bbc4, 10:30, :)
[19:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:58] <ali1234> you should fix your arduino
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and a program about albums, 21:00.. with at least a few seconds of Nerina Pallot :)
[19:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: the controller for lightwave is actually really cheap (£40) the light switches are £40 a pop which is where the expensive comes in :(
[19:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that also, :)
[19:58] <ali1234> the ones i bought were £14.99 for a pack of 3 from maplins
[19:59] <ali1234> including controller which you take apart to look what chip it uses and then get the datasheet so you can mongle it
[19:59] <brobostigon> an program for android people might like, irssinotifier, tells me when i get highlighted in irssi,
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so we can say your name ANY time and you'll drop by? :)
[20:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: or i will be told yes. :)
[20:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no abuse, :)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: mmm, ok :)
[20:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it is n interesting idea though.
[20:02] <shauno> heh, I do something similar on my phone.  but I have it silent
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kiboze
[20:04] <brobostigon> james parry, ie.
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:06] <brobostigon> i have vaguely heard of, but nothing detailed.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> I was too young in the late 80s.. but I've heard of him.. and I've read his website :)
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> he's obsessed with traffic cones.. or used to be
[20:07] <brobostigon> ah, interesting obsession.
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.kibo.com/photos/
[20:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is that his site ?
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:09] <brobostigon> i see.
[20:10] <brobostigon> oh dear, last revised, dec 2001.
[20:11] <brobostigon> nice and simple site though,
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: he still updates every year with a christmas story
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: see http://www.kibo.com
[20:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting, i will look.
[20:16] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: certainly somewhat more traditional design.
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "more traditional" = "modern in the age of Geocities" ;)
[20:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: well, i wouldnt say that ut, well, similer to the kind of simplistic design i could do.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: have you seen this channel? http://www.youtube.com/user/thebrainscoop
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's COOL :)
[20:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i havent, i will see.
[20:23] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: what is it about, it doesnt really say much.?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's about the Zoological Museum at The University of Montana.. it's quite new.. but they've been talking about what happens in a "zoological museum" and they've retrieved a dead wolf
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (and are preparing it for their collection)
[20:24] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see, yes, could be interesting.
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: also, Emily (who hosts the programs) a great presenter :)
[20:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, :)
[20:29] <redtape-renegade> Emily Grass-lie ... she smoked pot as a tweenie I bet !
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:32] <brobostigon> nomnom, franziskaner, :)
[20:35] <brobostigon> hefe-weizen and chocolate, interesting combination.
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.harpoonbrewery.com/beer/98/Chocolate-Stout
[20:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting, tried it?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> no, seems to be available in the US Only
[20:39] <brobostigon> ah, ohwell.
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> might convince my brothers to brew some of their own thoguh
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> They've done almost 50 different brews
[20:40] <brobostigon> 7ycool, you do see it every so often at beer fastivals, chocolate brewed with varieties.
[20:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wow, :)
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: whats their speciality ?
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> they're scaling up as well -- we (lots of friends + family) put money together for my brother's birthday so he (and my other brother) can go and brew 1000l of their favourite brew
[20:42] <brobostigon> :)
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: lots of IPA
[20:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting choice,
[20:45] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: alot of ipa's are nice, but i prefer more malt, and sweetness.
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: they do all kinds of things, they've done Pilsners, and all kinds of beers with some kind of "special" taste
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ("pepper", "wood smoke", etc.)
[20:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: special taste? hmm, i can imagine.
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> garlic beer++
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> a bit weird.. but nice
[20:47] <brobostigon> weird, yes. probably not tried anything like it.
[20:49] <shauno> reminds me, I fell in love with an english beer in the states, and haven't managed to find it here :/  http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/935/14563
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> bbc 4 time :)
[20:58] <brobostigon> when albums ruled. hmmm,
[21:01] <brobostigon> it was interesting, a couple of days ago, my dad commented to me, he was listening and watching bill gates speak, and then commented, he us one boring windbag isnt he. interesting observation.
[21:02] <shauno> he's not the most captivating speaker
[21:03] <brobostigon> very true.
[21:07] <shauno> I don't begrudge him much anymore though.  he's found something more useful to do, and moved on
[21:26] <ahayzen> AlanBell, looks like you unity window quicklist idea has been approved? bug 1107866
[21:26] <ali1234> someone implemented it inside unity
[21:27] <ahayzen> and the design team actually approved it :)
[21:28] <AlanBell> gosh
[21:28] <AlanBell> the design team gave a resounding "meh" last time
[21:29] <brobostigon> keith moon, and john and jason bonham, :)
[21:31] <AlanBell> I guess doing it in C++ made all the difference
[21:32] <ali1234> you have to admit your implementation was a bit of a hack, relying on unstable dbus apis...
[21:32] <ali1234> and also tricking unity into thinking your script was every running program
[21:38] <AlanBell> oh, no doubt this is a better implementation
[21:39] <AlanBell> how should I know they are unstable dbus APIs?
[21:39] <ali1234> yeah that part isn't your fault
[21:39] <AlanBell> there is no documentation, I had to just work it all out from d-feet
[21:39] <ali1234> the "tricking unity" part though...
[21:39] <AlanBell> so yeah, they could be unstable
[21:39] <AlanBell> hmm, was I tricking unity?
[21:39] <ali1234> yes.
[21:39] <ali1234> you have to register app name before you can edit menus
[21:40] <ali1234> so you have to tell unity "i am firefox" and then edit firefox menus
[21:40] <AlanBell> no, you don't
[21:40] <ali1234> you used to
[21:41] <AlanBell> no, I remember that part, I was a bit surprised to find that you can just add quicklists to any launcher icon even if it isn't "yours"
[21:42] <ali1234> yes, by registering yourself as that application
[21:43] <ali1234> # Pretend to be firefox
[21:43] <ali1234> launcher = Unity.LauncherEntry.get_for_desktop_id ("Firefox.desktop")
[21:43] <ali1234> is i believe what the example used to say
[21:44] <AlanBell> ah, OK, I didn't think that was tricking it, I get the desktop files from BAMF
[21:44] <AlanBell> It registers for bamf.RunningApplicationsDesktopFiles
[21:44] <AlanBell> and bamf gives it desktop files, and it pokes at the launcher entries for the desktop files
[21:45] <ali1234> well, the use of the word "pretend" kind of implies something.... i'm pretty sure i copy pasted that line from unity quick menu example
[21:45] <AlanBell> ql = launcher[applicationpath].get_property("quicklist")
[21:46] <AlanBell> wrong bit, that is my object
[21:46] <AlanBell> launcher[path]=Unity.LauncherEntry.get_for_desktop_file (app.DesktopFile(dbus_interface='org.ayatana.bamf.application'))
[21:47] <ali1234> last time i tried to use quicklists, deleting a menu item crashed unity
[21:51] <AlanBell> I found that to be relatively stable, it helps a lot to use a window manager that supports switching to the window that you want to switch to
[21:52] <AlanBell> gnome shell has basically the same thing on the launcher
[21:58] <MartijnVdS> this "albums" program on BBC Four is quite good
[22:00] <brobostigon> mason. :)
[22:10] <redtape-renegade> At 1.1GHz ... Will this run 13.04 @ $329dollars ??  :::  http://shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/D1A48UA?HP-Pavilion-14-c010us-Chromebook&003=6573323&010=D1A48UA#ABA&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=30-113582663-2
[22:17] <MartijnVdS> chromebooks run chromeos
[22:17]  * redtape-renegade Can't believe that Hp are going with Chrome !! 
[22:17] <MartijnVdS> It tends to be Hard to run Ubuntu on them
[22:20] <directhex> chromebooks are locked down
[22:20] <ali1234> until you flip the developer mode switch
[22:20] <directhex> ali1234, which doesn't entirely remove the lockdown
[22:21] <ali1234> you might as well say it doesn't make the device grow wings and fly away
[22:21] <ali1234> it lets you boot linux on the thing
[22:22] <brobostigon> lol
[22:22] <redtape-renegade> although anything with Pavilion on the cover tends to be $100 over and above the actual worth of being the thing. redtape-renegade Pity's the fools.
[22:22] <redtape-renegade> **worth of buying the thing ..
[22:23] <redtape-renegade> 1.1 Crumbs that's cutting it fine !
[22:26] <redtape-renegade> So , where's the sourcecode for Chromebuntu then ? ᗕ---  There's the Real Question !!
[22:26] <redtape-renegade> Hapy to paypal someone for that !
[22:35] <shauno> what on earth is Chromebuntu?
[22:37] <redtape-renegade> shauno: Hangon .. but, by the ignorance I take it you can't source the code anyhow .
[22:38] <shauno> chromeos is all on chromium's git.  but 'chromebuntu' I'm not familiar with
[22:40] <redtape-renegade> shauno: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/
[22:43] <brobostigon> nick mason had one genius moustache,
[22:45] <redtape-renegade> brobostigon: & that's on Radio4, beeb is it ?
[22:45] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: bbc4, yes.
[22:45] <shauno> (not radio4.  difficult to admire taches on the radio ;)
[22:45] <redtape-renegade> XD
[22:47] <redtape-renegade> .. no takers for a paypal-ment to see the Chrbuntu sourcecode .. last call !
[22:48] <brobostigon> and amazingly, everytime, someone who i have had to describe what my younger brother is like, and i have described him like the younger david gilmour, most of the girls have agreed.
[22:51] <redtape-renegade> brobostigon:  'my brother' ! Ha ! Is he the reason for your nick's possession ?
[22:52] <redtape-renegade> If I had a brother he would be my business partner like the Barclay's brothers !
[22:54] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: huh, umm, i am not following.
[22:54] <redtape-renegade> It's a Silly joke about 'bro' being in your 'nick' .
[22:55] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: you recognise where my nick comes from?
[22:55]  * redtape-renegade admits sillyness.
[22:56] <redtape-renegade> brobostigon:  No, be nice if you'd explain it for me .. does my 'ead in - not knowin'  !
[22:56] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: read, starship titanic, by terry jones and douglas adams, :)
[22:57] <redtape-renegade> Aaah, ...It's pure fantasy  .. explains the sentiment of the comments , then.
[22:57]  * redtape-renegade understands.
[22:58] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: my nick is a charecter from that book.
[22:59] <redtape-renegade> Yes, but do you have the wikia reference whenever you log-off in your ' brobostigon left' final message ? Otherwise the intell. is lost...
[23:00] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: i rarly logoff, so wait and see.
[23:01] <redtape-renegade> I'll take that as a -can't be concerned with it- comment
[23:03] <brobostigon> redtape-renegade: i have one set, dont worry about that.
[23:04] <dogmatic69> anyone tried out owncloud? http://owncloud.org/
[23:04] <dogmatic69> looks half decent
[23:19] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: yeah, I have
[23:19] <AlanBell> it is half decent
[23:20] <AlanBell> I don't like the client half much, I confused it a bit
[23:20] <AlanBell> all sync clients are rubbish and don't work, except for dropbox which is rubbish, but works.
[23:21] <dogmatic69> It seemed to crash my browser when I was clicking all over. but I have 50 tabs open
[23:21] <AlanBell> I haven't tried sparkleshare yet, I need to do that
[23:21] <redtape-renegade> dogmatic69: Why do you - have something I can sync with - so I just have to use the client, or what ?
[23:21] <AlanBell> dropbox server is rubbish, even if the client works
[23:22] <AlanBell> owncloud has a really interesting plugin framework for arbitary applications
[23:23] <AlanBell> way more than filesync. The filesync could be a nice feature if it worked better, but owncloud does way more
[23:28] <dogmatic69> redtape-renegade: what?
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> dogmatic69: "What" ? : What is this a Stuttering Holmes contest, or Plz be more specific .
[23:45] <crumhorn> redtape-renegade, Got the email, son.
[23:45] <crumhorn> dogmatic69, I think he is postulating whether you have anything to share ?
[23:46] <dogmatic69> crumhorn: I can't make out the broken English.
[23:48] <crumhorn> dogmatic69, He is asking whether you have anything to share 'to others' on this owncloud.org ?
[23:52] <Azelphur> hmm, ZoneMinder is disappointing me, It has no audio support at all, and it won't work with my cameras PTZ, even though the interface is amazingly simple.
[23:53] <crumhorn> redtape-renegade, Yeah, I'd give up on that one, Some ppl are a lost cause... see you in Holland !
[23:59] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Just So I know, my dadz asked if I could get a DVD of Xubuntu  .. do you know of any ?? No Prob.s if you don't.