[02:01] <alyawn> hello, wrst
[02:02] <wrst> how you doing alyawn?
[02:02] <alyawn> doing alright...
[02:02] <alyawn> trying to hang in there
[02:09] <chris4585> woops, I get distracted, wrst why the change?
[02:18] <wrst> well chris4585 desktops... i've tried them all and well i hate them all
[02:19] <wrst> so giving unity another try and so far i dont' hate it as much as gnome shell
[02:19] <wrst> i like cinnammon but its just not ready yet
[02:19] <chris4585> ah
[02:19] <chris4585> I like cinnamon, I think I'm on 1.6 and I'm having zero issues
[02:20] <chris4585> good luck, I would want to kill myself if I used unity
[02:24] <wrst> chris4585: i was on 1.6 on arch and its nice but a little i don't  just wasn't hardly for me
[02:25] <chris4585> I'm on manjaro, which is arch
[02:25] <chris4585> I wouldn't want to use it if it wasn't for this one plugin
[02:26] <chris4585> I really don't mind having it all default looking like windows 7 either now
[21:16] <wrst> afternoon chris4585
[21:17] <chris4585> wrst, morning
[21:17] <wrst> chris4585: you need a wakeup call? :P
[21:21] <chris4585> nah
[21:21] <chris4585> what I need is several more hours in a day
[21:22] <wrst> ha ha don't we all?
[21:22] <chris4585> yeah
[21:23] <chris4585> you know what I need, is a hard drive lol
[21:25] <chris4585> but instead I'm going to buy a graphics card
[21:35] <wrst> ha ha well GPU is more fun :)
[21:36] <chris4585> indeed, I've been saving up, and thinking I'll get something like a 7850...
[21:37] <wrst> :) nice
[21:50] <cyberanger> I like GPU's, the better to brute force your crypto keys with
[21:52] <wrst> of course cyberanger leans to evil
[21:54] <average_guy> http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/
[21:54] <cyberanger> beats spending a few hundred to draw pretty lines faster, that sounds evil to me ;-)
[21:57] <average_guy> I too am in need of a graphics card
[21:58] <wrst> wow 6 hours
[21:58] <wrst> average_guy: are you still living on the terminal?
[21:58] <average_guy> not entirely wrst
[21:58] <average_guy> but I am at the moment
[21:59] <wrst> average_guy:ha ha you have to get some gui goodness on occassion :)
[21:59] <cyberanger> average_guy: considering I've run a few windows crackers, (my favorite being Orphcrack) and bypassed SAM a few ways, six hours is a bit long
[22:00] <average_guy> yeah, cyberanger but this thing does letter numbers and symbols out to 8 characters
[22:01] <average_guy> idk, seemed like an impressive waste of money to me
[22:01] <cyberanger> wpa2 is the real challenge, IMHO
[22:03] <average_guy> I have a VM host set up wrst, so I can have any desktop I choose, and I have several.  But my terminal box is the only one that runs around the clock
[22:05] <wrst> gotcha average_guy, and very cool!
[22:05] <average_guy> just got a nForce 790i Ultra SLI MCP though that needs a GPU
[22:06] <average_guy> it has been several years since I had a proper desktop computer
[22:08] <average_guy> i don't even need an awesome one like chris4585, anything better then server graphics will impress me
[22:08] <cyberanger> it's been several years since people told me mine was proper
[22:08] <cyberanger> either overkill or underrated
[22:09] <chris4585> I plan on doing gaming, I have the computer, just need the graphics
[22:10] <average_guy> I would like to play some skyrim on my chris4585
[22:10] <chris4585> that is one game I plan on playing, especially with high res textures
[22:15] <average_guy> I am going for "overkill" cyberanger.  Got the board I did because it supports VT-x and already has 2 NICs.  I want it to stand on its own and play games as well as be the head node for my cluster
[22:18] <average_guy> KUB love me
[22:18] <average_guy> *loves
[22:19] <cyberanger> I went for 4.0Ghz Octo-core AMD processor, 32 GB ram, 12TB HDD
[22:19] <average_guy> holy crap
[22:19] <cyberanger> no graphics card yet, intregrated is above par though
[22:19] <average_guy> deep pockets
[22:20] <cyberanger> actually, not that deep, huge discount when your doing the labor of building it
[22:21] <average_guy> I got you on RAM, but honestly I thought more HDD compacity=longer seek time so have kept my drive space as limited as possible
[22:24] <cyberanger> ah, well, with 4 drives, lvm2, not much of an issue
[22:25] <cyberanger> and you have more than 32GB of ram? I maxed the board out there
[22:29] <average_guy> Yeah, in my servers, 64 in one and 32 in the other. the desktop board is still empty tho
[22:29] <chris4585> cyberanger, I'm wanting an 8350, I have the motherboard just not enough money atm
[22:30] <chris4585> atm, I just have a phenom II x4 965, with 16gbs of RAM
[22:32] <average_guy> 1GB cards=cheap, 8GB cards=rediculous
[22:32] <cyberanger> average_guy: ah, in a server, ok
[22:33] <cyberanger> gonna say, there isn't many desktop boards that go that far
[22:43] <average_guy> my new (actually pretty old) board only supports 8GB of RAM.  I bought it because it is very overclock-able.  Any of you guys into that?  As this will be my first attempt, I just plan on frying it..
[22:52] <chris4585> average_guy, somewhat, I went with the safe route, bought a board I know is overclockable and comes with utilities to do that sort of thing
[22:53] <chris4585> with my asus board I got a 5mhz overclock with the asus utility, but for some reason it only applies for windows...
[22:53] <chris4585> so manually doing it, just look it up and do a little bit of research
[22:54] <chris4585> all I can say is adjust settings in bios in tiny increments
[22:55] <average_guy> that is what I was going for also chris4585 that is why I got this board. I have read a LOT about it in overclocking forums
[22:56] <average_guy> I'll remember your tip though about adjusting in tiny increments
[22:57] <chris4585> average_guy, I can recommend a video hold on
[22:58] <chris4585> average_guy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigxB7w-pjc
[22:58] <average_guy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigxB7w-pjc//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigxB7w-pjc
[22:58] <average_guy> oops
[22:59] <chris4585> its a little long, but manually overclocking needs hours and hours anywho
[22:59] <chris4585> that is on a newer board, but its pretty much the same with voltages, and multipliers
[23:04] <average_guy> my board has zero onboard graphics chris4585, so I haven't even seen the bios screen yet
[23:05] <chris4585> oh lol, mine doesn't have onboard graphics either, but I have my poopie 220 gt that somehow gets me by
[23:06] <cyberanger> average_guy: I think mine is, but 4.0 is just too good atm
[23:06] <cyberanger> with 8 cores
[23:06] <cyberanger> so I've left it alone
[23:06] <cyberanger> I want a ezcap EzTV668 all the sudden
[23:07] <chris4585> cyberanger, which cpu do you have?
[23:08] <average_guy> I'm eyeballing a GT520 chris4585. Cheap, directx 11 compat.  and way better then nothing.
[23:09] <cyberanger> chris4585: it's an AMD AM3+ socket, 4.0 Ghz Octo-Core
[23:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, model?
[23:09] <cyberanger> lemme see if I got a part number handy
[23:09] <chris4585> I'm going to assume an 8320, or 8120, or 8150
[23:10] <cyberanger> part fd8350frhkbox
[23:10] <chris4585> average_guy, nice, I would probably go with an 620 just because I like to be on current generation
[23:11] <cyberanger> so 8350
[23:11] <chris4585> ah, didn't figure you would have got the latest, I'm jealous now
[23:11] <cyberanger> chris4585: ^
[23:11] <chris4585> lol
[23:11] <chris4585> because an 8350 is exactly what I want :<
[23:11] <average_guy> I don't understand the performance specs anymore cyberanger.  Back in the day, higher GHz=faster computer.  But my G5 with 2.66 GHz processors will house my G4 with 3.4GHz processors
[23:12] <cyberanger> average_guy: yeah, due to the multi core nature
[23:12] <chris4585> well depends on how many cores too, and some processors have weaker cores or stronger cores
[23:12] <cyberanger> it's skewed
[23:13] <chris4585> an 8350 is beautiful when multitasking compared to a higher priced 3570k, but the 3570k can do better generally if you're doing one specific thing
[23:13] <cyberanger> some old intels weren't even true quad cores, just two duals sitting on top of each other, used the fsb to communicate between the two, so fsb speed mattered more
[23:14] <cyberanger> well, even then, it's a huge step from Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5450
[23:14] <cyberanger> that this laptop has, hard to see that advantage
[23:15] <average_guy> that is the primary diff in mine cyberanger.  Slower processors but much faster FSB.
[23:16] <average_guy> I just ordered a core2 duo and a quad today cyberanger.  The duo to fry and the quad to run after :)
[23:17] <cyberanger> I still use 433Mhz single core too
[23:17] <cyberanger> usually just a quick and dirty way to get a remote shell
[23:18] <cyberanger> tell it to dial into an old backup account, or plug in a slow cell or sat phone
[23:18] <cyberanger> and ssh in
[23:19] <cyberanger> actually, two of them, ones an old compaq, the other is a Asus eee 4g surf
[23:19] <average_guy> My terminal box is 300MHz 128k. Installing Ubuntu is a trick..
[23:19] <average_guy> and updating has killed it before
[23:20] <average_guy> compaq presario 5020
[23:20] <cyberanger> average_guy: I had a hard time with the compaq, wound up with debian, taking the pata disc out, sticking it in a cradle, using a method that involved debootstrap, chroot & other tools
[23:21] <cyberanger> then putting it back, and hoping I get lucky
[23:21] <cyberanger> and I did, but it's that kind of method
[23:21] <cyberanger> updating it hasn't killed it yet, but I've had to watch the update task
[23:23] <average_guy> My install with "core" and "server" .isos failed, but using an Lubuntu alternate .iso in "Expert Mode" I can get a core system working
[23:23] <cyberanger> yeah, it's nowhere near simple, sadly
[23:23] <average_guy> fo sho
[23:24] <cyberanger> I miss the floppy disc installs for exactly this reason
[23:24] <average_guy> I have a 486DX2 here I want to try to get linux on next
[23:24] <cyberanger> they could have been the perfect core netinst image
[23:25] <cyberanger> but that was asking for way too much
[23:25] <cyberanger> well, gonna head out for a little while
[23:26] <average_guy> yup, friday night.  bout time for me to get ready to go get hammered
[23:27] <chris4585> whoo, I'm so glad its friday