[05:32] <Squirm> morning
[06:04] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:04] <inetpro> superfly: how's the man doing this morning
[06:05] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos Good Morning
[06:05] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:14] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:42] <Kilos> morning inetpro superfly magespawn and others too
[06:44] <superfly> inetpro: dunno, he was sleeping when I left
[06:44] <superfly> never woke up last night
[06:45] <inetpro> superfly: cool, sleep is good for him
[06:46] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[06:46] <Kilos> ty
[06:46] <Kilos> what a night
[06:47] <Kilos> 12.10 boots to a kinda brown/pink screen with no icons launcher niks
[06:48] <Kilos> and i forgot to unplug kde on second drive so that boots to grub now
[06:48] <Kilos> grrr
[06:49] <Kilos> grub prompt that is
[06:50] <magespawn> Kilos I think you should be a Ubuntu tester
[06:52] <Kilos> rofl
[06:52] <Kilos> if they supply data i will
[06:53] <Kilos> 12.10 nm worked and all, then hung when installing all downloaded upgrades
[06:53] <Kilos> then second time boots to brown screen
[06:54] <Kilos> 800m data used but got bit more clever second time around. ctrl+alt+f2 and rsynced archives to storage partition
[06:57] <magespawn> nice
[06:57] <magespawn> data and ubuntu guru
[06:57] <magespawn> have you kept track of how many installs you have done?
[06:58] <Kilos> but now no gui so cant start nm and install kubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <Kilos> lol must be 100"s
[06:59] <magespawn> i am pretty sure you can use the non gui version of nm
[06:59] <magespawn> whatevere it is called
[06:59] <Kilos> oh
[07:00] <magespawn> a lot of the gui stuff in ubuntu is just front end stuff 
[07:00] <magespawn> let me see
[07:00] <Kilos> oh i read somewhere once about starting nm from cli
[07:01] <Kilos> the guy even said for servers and peeps that wanna play some
[07:01] <magespawn> nmcli is the command also has a man page
[07:02] <Kilos> ai!
[07:02] <magespawn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/nmcli.1.html
[07:02] <Kilos> noman pages for noobs
[07:02] <Kilos> ok ty i go see
[07:08] <Kilos> yeah if there can be problems then i will get them hey? murphy lives here
[07:12] <Kilos> kde reinstalled. need sim for fone to get it updated. wbb
[07:17] <inetpro> magespawn: I agree, he should be a Ubuntu Tester
[07:19] <inetpro> and he should be employed and get paid to test these things
[07:19] <magespawn> Kilos does things to his machine that most would not even think of, let alone attempt
[07:19] <deegee_1> ohayo gozaimasu everyone
[07:20] <inetpro> whoever employs him must just let him work right there from his home where he can look after his sister's sheep
[07:20] <inetpro> deegee_1: wb
[07:25] <magespawn> hey deegee_1
[07:25] <magespawn> i think he would do it just for the data
[07:25] <deegee_1> o/
[07:27] <Kilos> oh my goodness. kde saw modem first time
[07:27] <Kilos> after so many installs of not seeing it
[07:27] <Kilos> holy moly
[07:28] <Kilos> sigh back to pling instead of bloep
[07:37] <Kilos> maybe i should just install kde and let someone else help noobs with unity
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <Squirm> hi
[07:40] <inetpro> Kilos: is that on 12.04?
[07:40] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[07:41] <inetpro> good morning Squirm
[07:45] <Kilos> yeah magespawn on ians 500g drive that i had to use sakis3g before
[07:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:47] <Kilos> TCT Mobile International Limited HSPA Data Card
[07:47] <Kilos> thats what it sees. dont like the word limited much
[07:48] <Kilos> maybe i should try get flash firmware for it?
[07:49] <Kilos> hi deegee_1 
[07:51] <deegee_1> hi Kilos .... o/
[08:09] <magespawn> Kilos:  maybe it is limited to only HSPA
[08:10] <Kilos> but thats already faster than our ip poeps provide hey?
[08:10] <Kilos> s/poeps/peeps
[08:10] <magespawn> all of the time 
[08:11] <magespawn>  poeps is right
[08:11] <Kilos> who is sick by the fly?
[08:11] <magespawn> not sure, why?
[08:11] <Kilos> a chillen
[08:12] <Kilos> saw him tell pro he was still sleeping
[08:13] <magespawn> ah yes
[08:13] <magespawn> sleeping is usually a good sign
[08:18] <magespawn> anybody know the command to show the size of /boot cannot seem to find anything via google
[08:19] <magespawn> found somethinf just need to ask the right question
[08:23] <magespawn> du
[08:37] <Kilos> you see inetpro , same drive, pc and modem and now kde sees it first off on this install
[08:38] <Kilos> if you can explain what changed i would be very happy
[08:38] <magespawn> maybe the updates to kde Kilos
[08:39] <Kilos> no man it saw it before i did updates. installed first then plugged modem
[08:40] <magespawn> yes but is it the latest kde?
[08:40] <Kilos> unity was other way around. connect before rebooting then unplug and reboot
[08:40] <Kilos> no 12.04
[08:40] <magespawn> no ide then
[08:41] <magespawn> s/ide/idea
[08:41] <magespawn> i wonder if there is away to snapshot the system to document any differences?
[08:41] <magespawn> gotta go out for a bit bbl
[08:44] <Kilos> wow
[08:44] <Kilos> i think all the install files and what is done goes with each install
[08:45] <Kilos> dunno if there will be cat or tail or any other info left
[08:53] <Kilos> would be nice to save the whole install process so one can read where things are different when stuff dont work
[08:54] <deegee_1> Kilos: you re-installed your desktop? or switched to kde?
[08:54] <Kilos> reinstalled on one drive
[08:55] <Kilos> kept /home partition
[08:55] <Kilos> i like a seperate /home
[08:55] <deegee_1> ok, the install gave you problems or something?
[08:56] <deegee_1> the previous install i meant...
[09:07] <Kilos> lol yeah deegee_1 about ten or more couldnt sees my modem
[09:07] <Kilos> had to use cell to get sakis3g
[09:10] <Kilos> but was all network-manager probs. till unity 12.10 then other stuffs
[09:10] <Kilos> grrr
[09:12] <Kilos> after upgrading. white screen, black screen and latest is a pink that changed to brown as i watched it for an hour
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe
[09:18] <deegee_1> hihihihihi .....
[09:19] <deegee_1> now that surely is something not to be happy about?
[09:19] <deegee_1> so, you are now using KDE and that's it? no more reinstalls perhaps?
[09:20]  * deegee_1 stopped chasing bleeding edges ... got burned!
[09:27] <Kilos> no man lol. gotta fix unity on other drive still
[09:27] <Kilos> would prefer 12.04 but that also sukkels to see the modem
[09:28] <Kilos> it is actually easier to install than to try find a missing nm-applet
[09:30] <deegee_1> ok. so before you do a fresh install, did you perhaps googled for clues on how to get nm-applet to work?
[09:31] <deegee_1> just trying to understand the need of a fresh install/reinstall....
[09:53] <Kilos> wow googled me sick deegee_1 and even tried some of the nano suggestions and other stuff too. but all that stuff just corrupts everything and didnt work anyway
[09:56] <deegee_1> understood. noted! tnx oom
[10:05] <Kilos> if you battling with something googling is fine but ask here before you do any serious stuff
[10:06] <Kilos> the guys will always point you in the right direction to avoid bad messups
[10:08] <Kilos> thats what community is all about methinks
[10:09] <magespawn> help and learning all at once
[10:09] <Kilos> yip and we got some mighty brains here
[10:11] <deegee_1> that's true
[10:20] <magespawn> Kilos how do i measure cicuit continuity with a multimeter?
[10:28] <magespawn> found the the right setting thanks 
[10:28] <magespawn> www.ladyada.net/library/metertut/continuity.html
[10:29] <magespawn> or here http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/multimeter_tutorial/index.html
[10:34] <Kilos> aw sorry magespawn was diggin dubbletjies
[10:34] <Kilos> ohms ya
[10:34] <Kilos> or even the diode checker
[11:23] <inetpro> Kilos: don't you want to come dig my dubbletjies as well?
[11:24] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro dis n meneer job daai. wortels is al diep en grond hard
[11:24] <magespawn> np Kilos
[11:25] <magespawn> why not just spary them Kilos?
[11:25] <magespawn> spray even
[11:25]  * superfly just made his first control field in Ingress, and is *almost* at level 2
[11:27] <magespawn> ingress version 1.20.0 does not seem to want to run 
[11:29] <inetpro> magespawn: that spray stuff is very expensive man
[11:31] <Kilos> inetpro: why you think i dig. sis complains when i ask for it
[11:32] <Kilos> when i first came here i brought 500ml with
[11:32] <Kilos> but peeps and animals bring the seeds from all over back again
[11:32] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't get very far with 500ml
[11:32] <Kilos> i did about half an acre
[11:33] <Kilos> was only clean for about 2 years
[11:38] <magespawn> which one did you use Kilos?
[11:38] <Kilos> inetpro: did you read logs?
[11:39] <Kilos> new install of 12.04 kde saw the modem first time after installing and rebooting then plugging modem
[11:39] <Kilos> im so happy
[11:40] <inetpro> Kilos: well done!
[11:40] <inetpro> I hope that was your last re-install
[11:41] <Kilos> not me man dodo. its the funny way things work here
[11:42] <magespawn> fish time bbl\
[11:42] <Kilos> k magespawn 
[11:58] <Kilos> i go try 12.10 again wbb
[11:58] <Kilos> be good guys
[12:33]  * deegee_1 was battling (2days) with transmission to get it to work, port was closed.
[13:01] <Kilos> yay im not alone
[13:01] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp/+bug/846407
[13:04] <inetpro> deegee_1: are you referring to transmission as the lightweight BitTorrent client?
[13:05]  * inetpro is no fan of BitTorrent
[13:06] <deegee_1> inetpro: yep
[13:06] <inetpro> seriously, anybody here please convince otherwise and tell me there is a place for BitTorrent 
[13:07] <inetpro> that thing is mostly used for illegal downloads of proprietary stuffs
[13:07] <inetpro> convince me*
[13:08] <superfly> inetpro: I download lots of perfectly legal stuff using BitTorrent
[13:08] <superfly> inetpro: one of the things I torrent is OpenLP releases
[13:09] <inetpro> superfly: yikes, does it really solve any problem
[13:09] <inetpro> ?
[13:09] <superfly> inetpro: it's nice for those people who prefer bittorrent, and torrenting is MUCH faster than traditional downloading
[13:09] <superfly> especially over a smaller connection like our ADSL
[13:10] <inetpro> faster to clog up all available bandwidth as well
[13:11] <superfly> that totally depends on your network
[13:12] <inetpro> well if you share a network between a number of users you do not want one user to take it all
[13:13] <inetpro> and on top of that when you have a slow network, like most of us typically have in this country, I seriously don't see the point
[13:14] <inetpro> because the slow network is the bottleneck
[13:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:15]  * inetpro just wanted to order some coffee for kilos
[13:27] <magespawn> mm everytime i have tried torrenting it has not made a significant speed improvement
[13:52] <inetpro> Maaz: ask Kilos Why are you using xrdp?
[13:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll ask Kilos on freenode
[13:57]  * inetpro should look into Ubuntu's qatracker - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[14:00] <inetpro> lots of testers needed to get all the images tested in all the situations
[14:55] <magespawn> anybody had a look at webos?
[15:15] <magespawn> later all
[15:40] <Kilos> hehe what a wonderful day. instead of working on 12.10 to get it going i thought lemme try 12.04 again the same way i did kde this morning
[15:40] <Kilos> w000t everything works
[15:42] <superfly> Kilos: that's probably because you haven't fiddled with it :-P
[15:43] <Kilos> rofl
[15:43] <Kilos> only way to get 12.04 to see 3g here now is to plug it in only after the install superfly 
[15:44] <Kilos> but still gotta add a script to get it to auto connect with unity and kde
[15:45]  * Kilos happy
[15:46] <Kilos> now to sort the iptables and sshing again
[15:46] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[15:48]  * Kilos gets out the super doom
[16:58] <inetpro> Kilos: on my way home I also thought maybe I should ask you to try normal Ubuntu 12.04 again... if Kubuntu works, Ubuntu should work as well
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <inetpro> but I also thought about not telling you as well
[17:00] <Kilos> hahaha you crazy peep
[17:00] <inetpro> because maybe it's just better to stick with a working Kubuntu <duck>
[17:00] <Kilos> what do you think of this
[17:00] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872
[17:00] <Kilos> no rush
[17:01] <Kilos> i like kde as well man. better than unity. but there are kde guys here that really know it
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat 
[17:21] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[17:22] <Cantide> hello Kilos :)
[17:22] <Cantide> brb!
[17:33] <Cantide> hmm
[17:33] <Cantide> to cycle tomorrow or not..
[17:33] <Cantide> hmmm
[17:33] <Cantide> 30% chance of rain..
[17:33] <Kilos> you scared of water
[17:33] <Cantide> nope
[17:33] <Kilos> or scared you slip and fall
[17:33] <Cantide> but i don't want to drive 15 km if it's going to be rained out
[17:34] <Cantide> i've cycled in a cyclone :p
[17:34] <Cantide> so water isn't really a concern
[17:34] <Cantide> but i know a lot of my friends won't show up if it rains
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:34] <Cantide> and i want to go to see my friends, too
[17:34] <Kilos> ah
[17:34] <Kilos> then just go road the block a few times
[17:35] <Kilos> then kick it into the garage
[17:35] <Cantide> haha
[17:35] <Cantide> i'll do that in the morning when i wake up
[17:36] <Cantide> on my way to gym
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> you can even run that way but then kick it under the bed
[17:36] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:36] <Cantide> :)
[17:36] <Cantide> i shall
[17:36] <Cantide> thanks :)
[17:39] <Cantide> what are your plans for the weekend?
[17:39] <Kilos> be here same as every weekend
[17:40] <Kilos> and watch for Squirm on tv
[17:40] <Kilos> in the midmar mile
[17:40] <Cantide> ooh~
[17:40] <Cantide> two of my colleagues are also doing it
[17:40] <Cantide> gl Squirm :)
[17:41] <Kilos> lol he needs it he says he is gonna die
[17:41] <Cantide> i'll just look out of the guy squirming :p
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:42] <Kilos> worm stroke
[17:43] <Cantide> :p
[17:54] <Kilos> yo smile4ever 
[17:54] <Kilos> why the addon to smile again
[17:54] <Kilos> my poor fingers
[18:19] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :p
[18:20] <smile4ever> sorry for the late reply
[18:20] <smile4ever> how are you, Kilos? :)
[18:20] <smile4ever> Kilos: because it's my original registered name
[18:20] <Kilos> good ty and you smile4ever 
[18:20] <smile4ever> and I couldn't get on IRC with the nick "smile" :(
[18:20] <Kilos> no matter man its too long
[18:20] <Kilos> aw
[18:20] <smile4ever> I'll try to make it short again ;)
[18:20] <Kilos> someone stole it
[18:20] <smile4ever> and I'm fine
[18:20] <Kilos> good
[18:20] <smile4ever> no, i registered the nick smile too
[18:20] <smile4ever> :)
[18:21] <smile> :D
[18:21] <Kilos> never mind man im teasing about the nick
[18:21] <smile> do you see me as smile now?
[18:21] <Kilos> yes
[18:21] <smile> cool. I still see myself as smile4ever, lol
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <Kilos> twit
[18:21] <smile> pidgin.. :p
[18:23] <Cantide> Kilos, use TAB :)
[18:23] <Kilos> lol i do 
[18:23] <Kilos> was teasing the kid
[18:23] <Cantide> haha, so then nick length shouldn't bot... aha :p
[18:24] <Kilos> he likes adding funny bits to it
[18:24] <Kilos> gotta keep him on his toes
[18:25] <smile> haha, kilos :P
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro, plan jou lewe mooi uit. waneer jy baie tyd het kan ons try daai bios flash op ian se sick pc
[18:28] <Kilos> so oor n week of twee
[18:30] <Kilos> hey Squirm you seen my channel bot yet?
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: you think I know it all?
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: remember I'm always a newbie
[18:31] <Kilos> no i dont but i know you have ways and means of finding things out
[18:31] <Kilos> because google is your friend
[18:32] <inetpro> ai!
[18:32] <inetpro> why you want to flash the thing?
[18:32] <Kilos> im gonna try get it going again and see. some mboards actually have a built in flash tool
[18:32] <inetpro> and why you using xrdp even?
[18:33] <Kilos> it works for a while then crashes in weird ways
[18:33] <Kilos> im not man that was a goole reply to blank pink screen
[18:33] <Kilos> google
[18:33] <inetpro> ai!
[18:34] <Kilos> but now 12.04 is rocking 2 ways so no prob
[18:34] <inetpro> so where is the connotation to your problem?
[18:34] <Kilos> huh?
[18:34] <Kilos> no launcher or icons or niks
[18:34] <Kilos> after upgrading
[18:35] <inetpro> you said: 08/02 15:01:26 <Kilos> yay im not alone
[18:35] <Kilos> before it working ok
[18:35] <Kilos> oh that link man
[18:35] <Kilos> lotsa peeps with same prob
[18:35] <inetpro> yes the bug
[18:35] <Kilos> you getting to good with your copy/paste
[18:35] <inetpro> xrdp is not able to transmitt unity desktop correct - different clients
[18:35] <inetpro> bug 846407
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: so why you posted that?
[18:37] <Kilos> to show its not me with my funny modem and pc alone with probs
[18:37] <Kilos> but actually wanted advice before i tried the fix
[18:37] <inetpro> ai!
[18:37] <Kilos> rofl
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not as if Ubuntu has no bugs
[18:38] <Kilos> n o man dodo but when i said it didnt see my modem you all told me get another decent modem
[18:39] <Kilos> and there lotsa peeps with 12.04 no see modem
[18:39] <inetpro> so what does that have to do with the price of eggs?
[18:39] <Kilos> um
[18:39] <Kilos> er
[18:39] <Kilos> well
[18:39] <Kilos> maybe you all fulla yokes
[18:40] <Kilos> so eggs cant be too expensive
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: no, I'm seriously just trying to find the link here
[18:40] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <inetpro> the word modem doesn't even appear in that bug page
[18:40] <Kilos> man you work it out im too old
[18:41] <Kilos> ai!
[18:41] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:41] <Kilos> modem was an example
[18:41] <inetpro> ok
[18:41] <Kilos> didnt want you to say get a new pc because i couldnt install 12.10
[18:42] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, so you found a random bug and said "yay im not alone"?
[18:42] <Kilos> sjoe what are you smoking
[18:43] <inetpro> ai!
[18:43] <Kilos> i also want some
[18:43] <inetpro> ok, let's start afresh
[18:43] <inetpro> what was that link about?
[18:43] <Kilos> sigh
[18:43] <Kilos> ok listen carefully
[18:43] <Kilos> have i got your attention?
[18:44]  * inetpro listening very attentively
[18:44] <inetpro> trying at least
[18:44] <Kilos> i wanted one of you clever peeps to tell me if that was the thing to do to fix my prob
[18:44] <inetpro> while there's lot's more to be done
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: what prob?
[18:44] <Kilos> when i just try stuff from others on the net the fly fights with me
[18:45] <Kilos> blank pink screen after upgrading
[18:45] <inetpro> ai!
[18:45] <inetpro> that bug has everything to do with xrdp
[18:45] <inetpro> and you're not using xrdp
[18:45] <Kilos> white pink and then brown the third install
[18:45] <Kilos> i dont even know what that is
[18:46] <Kilos> i just googled 12.10 blank screen after upgrading with no launcher
[18:46] <inetpro> I don't think there's a relationship between that bug and your pink screen, unless for some unknown reason you're using xrdp
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:47] <Kilos> was that link not for ubuntu
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: seriously, the word pink doesn't even appear in that bug
[18:47] <Kilos> i didnt google x anything
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <inetpro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp/+bug/846407
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!\
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: so who is smoking something here?
[18:48] <Kilos> well good thing i didnt try fix my pc that way then hey
[18:48] <Kilos> its the second hand smoke getting me
[18:49] <inetpro> ai!
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, but I was simply trying to find the connotation to your problem
[18:49] <Kilos> sjoe have some coffee or something
[18:49] <inetpro> maybe there is something but I have not spent the time to try and find out
[18:50] <Kilos> np inetpro i actually didnt read the whole link
[18:50] <Kilos> or not properly
[18:50] <inetpro> I just thought maybe you are using xrdp
[18:50] <Kilos> what is that
[18:50] <inetpro> and just wanted to find out why
[18:51] <inetpro> Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server
[18:51] <Kilos> see google isnt my friend
[18:51] <Kilos> lies to me
[18:51] <Kilos> oh
[18:51] <Kilos> do you use it?
[18:51] <inetpro> no
[18:52] <Kilos> oh you didnt listen when i told you about dubbeltjies
[18:52] <inetpro> well yes, but no
[18:52] <Kilos> make up your mind
[18:52] <inetpro> I use krdc to connect to Windows remotely
[18:52] <inetpro> which is basically Windows running a RDP server
[18:52] <inetpro> but not with xrdp
[18:52] <Kilos> aw i still wanna try that
[18:53] <inetpro> and on windows it's not called an RDP server
[18:53] <inetpro> they call it Terminal Server or some such funny word
[18:53] <Kilos> you need their password to get in hey?
[18:53] <inetpro> ai!
[18:54] <inetpro> let's not go there now
[18:54] <Kilos> what now
[18:54]  * inetpro needs coffee
[18:54] <Kilos> no man i wanna try it here
[18:54] <inetpro> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> i want to know if you see the windows pc as text or what
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: seriously, I have some work to finish
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe ian can use it to fix clients
[18:55] <Kilos> ok np
[18:55] <inetpro> sorry for the shouting and screaming oom
[18:55] <Kilos> huh?
[18:56] <Kilos> dont be sorry be careful
[18:56] <inetpro> lol
[19:18] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[19:31] <smile> bye :)
[23:33] <Squirm> Maaz: tell kilos I've seen him greet people. haven't yet seen what else he can do
[23:33] <Maaz> Squirm: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode