[00:00] <tgm4883> which in 10.04, is what he will get
[00:00] <tgm4883> I suppose he could force it, but that probably isn't the best idea
[00:00] <histo> tgm4883: No
[00:00] <L3top> Physicist: You could install 32bit 1004.
[00:00] <slnls> nautilus did not crash. it just says the files allready exist. "abort" randomly copies the files in the first file in the upper file. yes i have steps to reproduce: take a bunch of files. drrag them to another tab. drag them back to original tab. et voila
[00:00] <tgm4883> histo, no?
[00:01] <histo> tgm4883: Don't force it
[00:01] <histo> tgm4883: Couldn't he use ia32libs  or whatever.
[00:01] <Physicist> L3top, in an AMD64?
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, ah, yea, I agree. Don't force it
[00:01] <alami> if i want to add a command i have to make it in /usr/bin???
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, he's still have to force the package installation
[00:01] <theuser> Hi, anyone here today that know what the "new" improvements for multiseat is in 12.10?
[00:01] <Physicist> have to install any dependence?
[00:01] <L3top> Physicist: absolutely.
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, forcing the package installation wouldn't do much but override the error
[00:02] <tgm4883> Physicist, personally, I'd still upgrade
[00:02] <L3top> Physicist: you will need to either dual boot or overwrite your current install... or change drives or something.
[00:02] <histo> Physicist: Any particular reason you are running 10.04?
[00:02]  * tgm4883 puts $5 on Unity
[00:03] <Physicist> histo.. backtrack!
[00:03] <tgm4883> histo, ia32-libs only gives you 32-bit libraries (in the event you want to run a 32-bit piece of software), he'd still have to force the package installation in order to install steam
[00:04] <tgm4883> histo, this isn't the case for 12.04
[00:04] <L3top> !backtrack | Physicist
[00:04] <unhuman> i got this result from "ps aux | grep sendm": sendmail: MTA: rejecting connections on daemon MSP-v4: load average: 51 <---- and I wonder if sendmail then is currently being used? I need to figure out what service is using it
[00:04] <histo> Physicist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit#How_to_Make_32-bit_Applications_Work_on_a_64-bit_Operating_System
[00:05] <histo> tgm4883: chroot would work.
[00:05] <histo> tgm4883: right cuz ia32-libs is default now.
[00:05] <Physicist> thank you guys..
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, I think if the user was capable of doing a chroot, he wouldn't be in the #ubuntu IRC channel trying to get a 32-bit piece of software built for Ubuntu 12.04 to run on 64-bit Backtrack 10.04
[00:06] <histo> Physicist: What version of backtrack are you running?
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, eh, kinda. ia32-libs doesn't exist anymore. You can now install 32-bit libraries on a 64-bit system
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, ia32-libs was kinda a hack to get that working
[00:06] <Physicist> backtrack 5 r3
[00:07] <Physicist> latest.
[00:07] <histo> Physicist: and it's still based on 10.04 wow.
[00:08] <Physicist> histo, yes! With option to upgrade to the next or newest LTS version -> 12.04.
[00:10] <Physicist> histo: I think that is reasonable..
[00:10] <Physicist> histo: maybe I will do it!
[00:11] <histo> Physicist: LTS to LTS is supported.
[00:11] <BossRock> My mail server (postfix with dovecot) won't save the directory that mail is in (MAIL=home/user/Maildir). It reverts to /var/mail/user after a period of time and after reboots… any ideas why this could be?
[00:12] <histo> BossRock: which mailbox format is it configured for.
[00:12] <Physicist> histo: yes, I know..
[00:12] <BossRock> Maildir
[00:14] <histo> BossRock: I'd double check your configs
[00:14] <BossRock> histo: tried that trying to figure it out a few times now. lol
[00:15] <BossRock> histo: will check it again though.
[00:15] <histo> BossRock: make sure you restart postfix after changing settings
[00:15] <BossRock> rebooted the actual server as well.
[00:17] <BossRock> histo: the postfix config I know has to say "home_mailbox = Maildir/" which was done and Maildir works.
[00:17] <BossRock> histo: when i set the destination of mail. It works absolutely fine for a while.
[00:18] <alami> sudo chown -R 1000:1000 /opt/eclipse/
[00:19] <alami> why i can't change the permission of this folder
[00:19] <alami> bash: /usr/local/bin/eclipse: Permission denied
[00:24] <histo> alami: Is that the error you receiving?
[00:24] <histo> alami: That error has a completly different path.
[00:27] <Kobayashi> halp
[00:27] <Kobayashi> anyone familiar with creating global hotkeys for MPlayer?
[00:28] <histo> !anyone | Kobayashi
[00:31] <sjch> how can I see priority of processes?
[00:32] <Gerowen> sjch: In the system monitor there's a tab called "Processes", and a column on that tab is "Priority"
[00:34] <bigfat> theres gotta be people here
[00:34] <Gerowen> sjch: If you use a terminal based program such as "top", you may see priority called "Nice" level.  In this instance, the lower the nice level, the higher the priority.  0 is the default, but in the graphical "System Monitor" program, it's just called "Priority".
[00:34] <bigfat> Quick question: do any of you use wicd? if so, does it offer any noticeable advantages over the default network manager?
[00:35] <sjch> thank you Gerowen
[00:36] <gueriLLaPunK> whats the cmd to view bandwidth?
[00:36] <dr_willis> bigfat:  heard some people use it for some wifi cards.. not sure why.
[00:36] <Gerowen> bigfat: I've used it on occasion, but never really noticed any advantages over the default one.  I used it in older Ubuntu releases when, for whatever reason, gnome-network-manager would crap out on certain computers, but I haven't had any issues with that in years.
[00:37] <bigfat> I only ask because the default network manager won't pick up on an open wifi range at the school I go to, but I'm not sure if switching to wcid would help
[00:37] <bigfat> and by open I mean unsecrued, available to everyone
[00:38] <bigfat> actually, not pick up, I mean connect, it tries to connect but never succeeds
[00:39] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: You can install and use the command line "iftop" to view bandwidth from the terminal.  After you've installed it just run it with: sudo iftop -i interface
[00:39] <Gerowen> Replace the word interface with the correct interface designation; i.e. eth0
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> lol i just typed interface
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> and it said no such device
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> oh nice! thanks
[00:40] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: No problem, :-)
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> the rate are in bits, i assume?
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> 256Mb
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> Yeah, must be
[00:41] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: Yeah it scales depending on how much you're using, you'll notice the numbers up top will change depending on how much use the interface is actually getting.
[00:43] <KI4RO> .
[00:43] <gueriLLaPunK> wow, ive peaked at 519Mb
[00:43] <Jess11> I installed an ubuntu server in the ubuntu server i am setting up a basic IRC using IRC -hybrd ..from my client using Xchat i cannot get it to connect any suggestions
[00:44] <dr_willis> Jess11:  try a differnet client. like weechat or irssi. it may give a more detailed error message
[00:45] <battlehands> how do I open a .sh file in vi and edit it?  I'm trying to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and I can't past the directory that I want to set it at into the file when it is opened in vi
[00:45] <battlehands> please advise
[00:45] <Gerowen> Jess11: I've never set up an IRC server, but the first thing I would check is that the service is running and the port it's listening on is actually open on your fireall.
[00:45] <dr_willis>    vi /the/path/to/whatever.sh
[00:46] <dr_willis> as to using vi... well.. theres tutorials out for that.
[00:46] <dr_willis> theres the vimtutor program thats worth checking out
[00:46] <histo> +1 for vimtutor
[00:47] <dr_willis> if using vi on the console. the gpm  tool is worth installing. it gives you mouse support on the console
[00:47] <histo> yuck no need for mouse in vi
[00:48] <dr_willis> its handy at times
[00:48] <Jess11> what is the command used to check all servics I believe Iam typing it in wrong
[00:49] <histo> Jess11: What are you typing?
[00:49] <Jess11> $ sudo service httpd status..
[00:50] <histo> Jess11: you could do sudo status httpd
[00:51] <histo> Jess11: or sudo service --status-all  to see all services
[00:52] <Jess11> thank you histo
[00:52] <Acibi> I'm looking for some info about the libreoffice-java-common package...
[00:53] <Acibi> Does it have something different from the .deb I can download from LibreOffice?
[00:55] <roger_> Anyone have any ideas why after setting up DNS server (bind9) on xubuntu the connection manager says not connected yet I still have internet?
[00:58] <battlehands> I open a .sh file in vi, but I'm unable to edit it.  Please advise....
[00:58] <mIKEjONES> do you have permissions?
[00:59] <roger_> sudo vi 'your file'?
[00:59] <fox_wilson> battlehands: I assume you know basic vi commands, if you don't, you have to hit "i" to start inserting text.
[00:59] <roger_> Anyone have any ideas why after setting up DNS server (bind9) on xubuntu the connection manager says not connected yet I still have internet?
[01:02] <fox_wilson> roger_: Perhaps xubuntu is trying to use your local bind9, which might not be configured properly?
[01:02] <StoneCypherAtWor> I am having a crazy difficult time getting grub to come up on my uefi box, and since i'm at work, i'm getting a little desperate
[01:02] <StoneCypherAtWor> the machine just keeps booting to windows no matter what i try
[01:03] <StoneCypherAtWor> all the instructions say i'm supposed to be able to select from the bios which operating system comes up, but i don't see that anywhere
[01:03] <Jess11> @ histo how do I see which port is available on my server? or anyone
[01:03] <roger_> fox_wilson: yeah totally plausible. its more a curiosity atm
[01:03] <fox_wilson> Jess11: as in which ones are open? you could use nmap
[01:03] <Jess11> yes fox
[01:04] <fox_wilson> Jess11: You can run "nmap yourmachineip" and it will list open ports
[01:05] <Bsadowski1> Hey all. :)
[01:06] <Bsadowski1> I got a weird GRUB error when loading the BIOS in VirtualBox (running version 12.10 32-bit). It happened just after I updated it. Is that normal?
[01:06] <Jess11> @ fox for some reason that is not working
[01:07] <Bsadowski1> I'll take a screenshot. :)
[01:08] <Evpok> Hi. Anyone here who use custom xkb symbols?
[01:13] <roger_> Jess11: apt-get install nmap
[01:13] <rob_p> Jess11: sudo netstat -lpnut
[01:14] <rob_p> Jess11: nmap will give you the info from a network perspective. netstat will give it to you from a software perspective...
[01:15] <wellwhy> Can somebody help me? I have tried a USB Disk with Unetbootin, and I am trying Dual boot windows, but dualboot gives me an mbildr.mbr error of it being missing or corrupted. I checked, and it is in C: and in winboot. How do I get it to work?
[01:15] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Windows is failing to boot?
[01:16] <wellwhy> No, windows is fine, when I select Ubuntu as the boot option is gives a C:/Ubuntu/winboot/mbildr.mbr
[01:16] <wellwhy> error
[01:16] <wellwhy> It says it is missing or corrupt
[01:17] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Did you use Wubi?
[01:17] <wellwhy> I think..?
[01:17] <wellwhy> I used the easy windows installer
[01:17] <wellwhy> it has wubi folder and internals
[01:18] <wellwhy> it says wubi in a few places
[01:18] <wellwhy> so yes
[01:21] <wellwhy> Yeah it is wubi
[01:21] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Sorry my internet was acting up.  I'm not an expert on exactly how Wubi works though, so I don't know how much help I'll be.
[01:21] <wellwhy> Any help works
[01:21] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Your goal is to dual boot right?  Have you tried booting from an Ubuntu CD and installing normally and just letting it resize your Windows partition?
[01:22] <wellwhy> That is what dual boot does, I think. But to answer your question, no, and I dont really want to take a chance on a disk if it ends up not working
[01:24] <Gerowen> wellwhy: I've never really used Wubi, so maybe somebody here who has will see your issue.  Have you tried posting it on the forums at www.ubuntuforums.org?  It'd get more visibility there.
[01:24] <wellwhy> Yeah, I have and no luck sadly
[01:25] <wellwhy> i have tried booting ubuntu for at least a month
[01:26] <hydrozen> The login screen on my ubuntu install always displays an onscreen keyboard. Is there any way I can disable that?
[01:27] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Does it work when you boot from the LiveCD?  If you burn the ISO to a DVD or put it on a thumb drive, then boot from that, it doesn't automatically start installing, you can do a "try before you buy" kind of thing where it will run in RAM without touching your hard drive until you hit the "install" button on the desktop.
[01:27] <wellwhy> I have tried that, and my monitor goes to sleep and nothing happens after I have tried both options using a USB. On my laptop I got the purple ubuntu and the orange dots but then a black screen.
[01:28] <jasunto> wow ubuntu runs great on the intel NUC
[01:28] <DaemonicApathy> jasunto: Of course it does. It's Intel.
[01:28] <jasunto> im amazed, replaced mac mini server with it, may replace my desktop with it
[01:29] <tonsofpcs> with what?
[01:29] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy are you running one?
[01:29] <DaemonicApathy> No, but I plan to in the future.
[01:29] <DaemonicApathy> tonsofpcs: Intel NUC
[01:29] <tonsofpcs> ah
[01:30] <tonsofpcs> jasunto: looking to sell the mac mini?
[01:30] <jasunto> i had some questions, was looking for someone else using one
[01:30] <melty> lol
[01:30] <jasunto> mac mini server is sold
[01:30] <DaemonicApathy> What kind of questions?
[01:31] <tonsofpcs> my one problem with the mini is Intel graphics...
[01:31] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy i wasnt sure about USB storage in the fstab, i want usb external to be the main storage outside of the system SSD, dropbox complains that its folder is gone, im thinking fstab may mount it earlier and eliminate
[01:32] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy oh and you cant beat the intel sound when you open the box
[01:32] <wellwhy> Gerowen: I have tried that, and my monitor goes to sleep and nothing happens after I have tried both options using a USB. On my laptop I got the purple ubuntu and the orange dots but then a black screen.
[01:32] <jasunto> tonsofpcs my mini had nvidia, had to jump through some hoops but ran well on there, had some bad disks, replaced botha nd sold
[01:32] <DaemonicApathy> Many people here should be able to help you with fstab. Personally, I would make sure /home is on the external as well
[01:33] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy i dont really use home, this is my home server so it is a dropbox/usenet/torrent/l2tp/smb/ftp/ssh/ server and mroe
[01:34]  * tonsofpcs might be buying a NUC.... need to figure out storage
[01:34] <DaemonicApathy> Where do you put your files, jasunto?
[01:35] <jasunto> on the external
[01:35] <DaemonicApathy> Then having a /home partition on it, to make it the default destination...might help? :-)
[01:35] <sin_tax> can anyone help me fix this problem with my kernel? http://pastebin.com/FMAL2abU
[01:36] <jasunto> i know /home on the external would be cool, but worried about boot and availability, easier to route downloads and such to external which happens ot be /media/jasunto/Data right now
[01:36] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you actually read the error? It seems like you didn't. Go read it.
[01:36] <sin_tax> bin_bash, yes, I did
[01:36] <DaemonicApathy> *shrug* Whatever works for you, jasunto. Sounds like I gave you too little credit anyway.
[01:37] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you run apt-get autoremove?
[01:37] <sin_tax> yes, I get the same error 'You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.' deal bin_bash
[01:37] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you do that?
[01:38] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy yeah it runs headless, would like the usb to act more like internal storage and i think fstab could do that for me.
[01:38] <sin_tax> yeah, I think that is in the paste, it gives an error of a different type bin_bash  =/
[01:38] <DaemonicApathy> Sounds good to me. So anyone who's good with fstab should be able to help you, whatever device they may have.
[01:39] <bin_bash> sin_tax, sudo apt get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:40] <sin_tax> bin_bash, that is giving me the unmet dependencies error again, I seem to be in a catch 22
[01:40] <Sorinan> After configuring NFS4 with krb5p, I can't cd into my exported folder as a normal user, solely as root. What can be happening? This is what ls -lhAn show as normal user: "d?????????   ? ?    ?       ?            ? home" and as root user "drwxr-xr-x   7 0 0 4,0K Jan 31 17:01 home"
[01:41] <bin_bash> wait a sec, sin_tax  linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= 3.2.0.37.44) but 3.2.0.37.45 is installed
[01:41] <bin_bash> it's trying to downgrade
[01:41] <sin_tax> yeah, I don't understand why
[01:41] <bin_bash> sin_tax, you broke something
[01:41] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy you wont be disappointed with the NUC and ubuntu, may get one for desktop too. the bios supports everything even intel vt and efi
[01:41] <sin_tax> =(
[01:41] <bin_bash> sin_tax, uname -a paste it here
[01:41] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy looks like it has OC setting too
[01:41] <DaemonicApathy> Nice.
[01:42] <jasunto> tonsofpcs ubuntu 12.10 boots and runs flawlessly on mac hardware with efi support
[01:42] <sin_tax> bin_bash, Linux codex 3.2.0-37-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 24 15:28:10 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:42] <magma> is wikipedia down?
[01:43] <fox_wilson> magma: nope
[01:43] <magma> it came back
[01:43] <TheTwistedAlchem> Hello.
[01:44] <jasunto> question changed, anyone good with usb storage in fstab that can help?
[01:45] <bin_bash> sin_tax, that is very interesting
[01:46] <bin_bash> sin_tax, uname -r please
[01:46] <sin_tax> bin_bash, 3.2.0-37-generic
[01:48] <bin_bash> sin_tax, I didn't see you do apt-get autoremove
[01:49] <bin_bash> sin_tax, is this a server or a desktop
[01:49] <sin_tax> bin_bash, that wasn't in the paste, but here is the output: http://pastebin.com/jdFf40Bx
[01:49] <sin_tax> bin_bash, it is headless, server
[01:50] <escott_> jasunto, just ask
[01:50] <bin_bash> sin_tax, hm
[01:50] <bin_bash> sin_tax, try aptitude hold linux
[01:51] <jrib> sin_tax: pastebin output of « sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy linux-server linux-image-server linux-headers-server »
[01:52] <Sorinan> After configuring NFS4 with krb5p, I can't cd into my exported folder as a normal user, solely as root. What can be happening? This is what ls -lhAn show as normal user: "d?????????   ? ?    ?       ?            ? home" and as root user "drwxr-xr-x   7 0 0 4,0K Jan 31 17:01 home"
[01:52] <escott_> Sorinan, do the uids match up
[01:52] <sin_tax> bin_bash, should I do this? http://pastebin.com/VQMUpWBM
[01:53] <bin_bash> do what?
[01:53] <Sorinan> escott, at least for the user that I'm testing and root, yes (i haven't setup LDAP yet)
[01:53] <sin_tax> the last line prompts to remove a ton of stuff bin_bash
[01:53] <bin_bash> sin_tax, what command did you do?
[01:53] <sin_tax> bin_bash, aptitude hold linux
[01:54] <bin_bash> hm
[01:54] <bin_bash> no
[01:54] <bin_bash> you should not
[01:54] <sin_tax> jrib, http://pastebin.com/8afvvR6E is the output of the commands you sent
[01:55] <jrib> sin_tax: you did not give the full output
[01:55] <Sorinan> escott, the strange thing is, that with a almost exactly configuration (or as long as I can recall), a machine with ubuntu 12.10 works perfectly, but the machine with 12.04.2 does not
[01:55] <bin_bash> sin_tax, you could try aptitude autoclean
[01:56] <sin_tax> jrib, I assumed you didn't want the update stuff, here is the full output: http://pastebin.com/dz2mYUzi
[01:56] <jrib> sin_tax: output of « sudo apt-get install linux-server »?
[01:56] <escott_> !info linux-server
[01:57] <bin_bash> waut
[01:57] <bin_bash> wait
[01:57] <bin_bash> wait
[01:57] <FloodBot1> bin_bash: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:57] <bin_bash> !info linux
[01:57] <ibiza> ciao
[01:57] <jrib> it's transitional in 12.10, but I don't remember when the kernels server and generic kernels merged.  Do you know offhand escott_ ?
[01:57] <sin_tax> jrib, http://pastebin.com/AvPCRLZH
[01:57] <bin_bash> wow. the ubuntu kernel is REALLLLY behind
[01:57] <escott_> jrib, i couldnt figure out what that package was
[01:58] <jrib> sin_tax: sudo apt-get install linux-server=3.2.0.37.45
[01:58] <jrib> !info linux-server precise
[01:58] <sin_tax> jrib, autoclean seemed to remove a few things but had no real effect on the problem
[01:58] <jrib> !info linux-image-server precise
[01:58] <sin_tax> jrib, same error: http://pastebin.com/PWW57L3Q
[01:58] <jrib> not sure what the difference is :)
[01:58] <loudaslife> I'm sorry if this is a bad time, but I'm a linux noob as well as an IRC noob looking for help.
[01:59] <bin_bash> !ask | loudaslife
[01:59] <nearst> hi ppl
[02:00] <ibiza> list
[02:00] <loudaslife> I somehow botched an xubuntu install badly enough that I only have a guest account.
[02:00] <sin_tax> bin_bash, jrib I appreciate your help; I have to run out to pick up my daughter, will be back in ~25 minutes or so if either of you care to continue helping then I would appreciate it, if not, thanks for trying =)
[02:00] <slash25> Hi the all
[02:00] <bin_bash> loudaslife, sounds like ya dun goof'd
[02:00] <escott_> !rescue | loudaslife
[02:00] <bin_bash> loudaslife, boot into a live cd, chroot, add a new user, be done with it
[02:01] <loudaslife> Thanks, will try!
[02:01] <escott_> loudaslife, thats not what i wanted. there is a rescue mode which is single user root mode. you can create a user there
[02:01] <escott_> !single
[02:01] <ibiza>  “!list”
[02:01] <jrib> sin_tax: you can probably get by by removing "linux-server" and installing it again
[02:01] <bin_bash> jrib, that's probably a terrible idea.
[02:01] <jrib> bin_bash: nah, it's just a meta-package
[02:02] <bin_bash> No it's not
[02:02] <bin_bash> it's ubuntu server's kernel
[02:02] <jrib> bin_bash: it's a package that depends on a package that depends on a package that is ubuntu's kernel :)
[02:02] <Jouva> Just updated my server the other day, and suddenly I can't connect to any destination of one of the IPs on the same machine regardless of port. But it's allowing connections from the outside. I don't tend to use any firewall. What might be going on?
[02:02] <bin_bash> jrib, it's the actual kernel.
[02:03] <jrib> bin_bash: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-server
[02:03] <bin_bash> jrib, because it's a headless server, removing that package could actually damage the system. Besides. He doesn't WANT to downgrade
[02:04] <jrib> bin_bash: as I said, it's a metapackage.  I'm not advising him to downgrade...
[02:04] <bin_bash> jrib, if you read the problem, aptitude is trying to downgrade from .45 to .44
[02:04] <jrib> bin_bash: no, that's not the problem
[02:05] <bin_bash> Yes it is. Did you read the whole thread? When trying to apt-get upgrade, it wants to downgrade but can't because dependencies.
[02:05] <bin_bash> Anyway, jrib, it doesn't matter
[02:05] <bin_bash> he's not here anymore.
[02:05] <LantzR> there are always others listening ...
[02:06] <tonsofpcs> did you update first, bin_bash ?
[02:06] <nearst> ubuntu system always look for stable package or better release ?
[02:06] <bin_bash> tonsofpcs, oh my god.
[02:06] <ePirat> Hello
[02:06] <tonsofpcs> are your repositories all proper?
[02:07] <ePirat> I have a problem, I made a clean ubuntu install using the windows installer
[02:07] <ePirat> now I cannot login
[02:07] <nearst> ePirat, why cannot login?
[02:07] <jrib> bin_bash: dpkg tries to configure linux-server but doesn't succeed because it depends on linux-image-server=.44 and .45 is installed.  As to how it ended up this way, I don't know :)  But getting apt to just forget about linux-server and installing .45 of linux-server should "just work"
[02:07] <tonsofpcs> ePirat: turn capslock or numlock on/off and try again
[02:07] <ePirat> nearst, says wrong password every time
[02:07] <ePirat> tonsofpcs, I did :P I am sure I entered it correct
[02:07] <ePirat> tried it for 10 minutes…
[02:07] <bin_bash> ePirat, boot into SUM and then reset the password
[02:07] <tonsofpcs> ePirat: eh, for 10 minutes just reinstall :-p
[02:07] <ePirat> I am absolutely sure
[02:08] <ePirat> bin_bash, how do I do?
[02:08] <drag0nius> how do i make postgresql server listen?
[02:08] <tonsofpcs> drag0nius: edit its config and then restart the daemon
[02:08] <drag0nius> i've added listen_addresses = '*' and port = 5432 and it still does not listen
[02:08] <melty> lol
[02:08] <bin_bash> ePirat,
[02:08] <drag0nius> added my client comp in pg_hba.conf
[02:08] <bin_bash> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[02:08] <bin_bash> ePirat, ^
[02:08] <ePirat> thanks
[02:09] <drag0nius> directory for both files is /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main
[02:10] <drag0nius> is there anything more to modify?
[02:10] <jasunto> can anyone the best way to expand ubuntu-root in lvm once i have done the lvmreduce on swap, easiest way to expand root to fill up free space
[02:13] <LantzR> drag0nius: on a new install I tend to forget creating a db with my profile name.    [ createdb $USER ]
[02:13] <drag0nius> my python app is using it locally without problems
[02:13] <drag0nius> for like half year, but now i want to access it from other comp and can't
[02:15] <ibiza> ciao
[02:15] <ibiza> dvd
[02:16] <bin_bash> drag0nius, did you check your router settings to make sure the local IP is static?
[02:16] <drag0nius> this server is my router :)
[02:17] <Jouva> I'm having problems connecting to IPs that are on the same machine which the connection is being initiated from. Not using localhost, using one of the IPs or host names that resolve to those IPs. iptables is completely empty. Thoughts?
[02:17] <bin_bash> drag0nius, why the hell would you use ubuntu on a router.
[02:19] <drag0nius> i'm running couple services on it too
[02:20] <bin_bash> drag0nius, on a router?
[02:20] <drag0nius> nope its normal comp
[02:20] <bin_bash> ...
[02:20] <bin_bash> I just said
[02:20] <bin_bash> Check your router settings
[02:22] <bin_bash> drag0nius, are you paying attention, or are you just spouting words that you don't understand?
[02:22] <drag0nius> i don't have a router
[02:22] <drag0nius> it's directly connected to server
[02:22] <LantzR> drag0nius: In pg_hba.conf : what connection method and authentication type fro the "new" computer
[02:22] <drag0nius> and i don't block connections
[02:22] <bin_bash> it's... what?
[02:23] <drag0nius> everything is connected to server through network switch
[02:23] <Bsadowski1> Anybody know why I'm getting this error in VirtualBox?: http://pastie.org/private/mvuvptjml2o62vab9prtjg
[02:23] <Bsadowski1> I'm trying to run Steam. Does Steam not work in it yet or something?
[02:23] <bin_bash> drag0nius, oh. you didn't say that. you said the computer was the router
[02:23] <drag0nius> host all all 192.168.1.10/32 md5
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[02:24] <sin_tax> bin_bash, jrib hey, so should I remove linux_server or no? 0_0
[02:24] <bin_bash> drag0nius, is that correct though? did you check to make sure that it's 192.168.1.10
[02:24] <bin_bash> sin_tax, i guess
[02:25] <drag0nius> yep my comp is on static ip
[02:25] <jrib> sin_tax: you can do "sudo apt-get remove linux-server"  it should only be removing the "linux-server" package.  If it prompts you for other things, pastebin
[02:25] <SolarisBoy> Bsadowski1: 'OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM.' in your post seems to be a relevant error
[02:25] <piero> Do you have MTP transfer protocol working? Which doc did u read?
[02:26] <sin_tax> ok, successfully removed, jrib, should I reinstall it now or do an apt-get upgrade first?
[02:26] <jrib> sin_tax: now do "sudo apt-get install linux-server"
[02:26] <bin_bash> ^
[02:26] <Bsadowski1> But when I tried to do that, SolarisBoy, it popped up another error. I'm wondering if it could be a problem with the OpenGL video driver.s
[02:26] <Bsadowski1> -s
[02:26] <sin_tax> OK, that seemed to work jrib
[02:27] <bin_bash> sin_tax, now do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:27] <jrib> sin_tax: you can try upgrade now in case you have upgrades available that apt wasn't letting you do before.  I'm not sure how your apt ended up in the broken state though, do you have any idea/
[02:27] <SolarisBoy> Bsadowski1: or possibly OpenGL in a VM (or your VM on your host machine with it's settings) is not working properly?
[02:27] <sin_tax> bin_bash, just did and everything seems nice - Thanks very much jrib and bin_bash
[02:27] <sin_tax> jrib, my /boot got full (I think maybe in the middle of an upgrade?)
[02:28] <sin_tax> for some reason I had a bunch of old kernels hanging out there
[02:28] <bin_bash> yikes
[02:29] <LantzR> drag0nius: sorry I got distracted rl. It was local that _has_ been working?
[02:29] <drag0nius> yep
[02:29] <drag0nius> i don't think postgres reads those config files
[02:29] <sin_tax> anyways, you guys are my heroes, thanks so much again bin_bash / jrib ... I am off to do some work... take care
[02:30] <bin_bash> heh
[02:30] <savagecroc> how can i check if there is an upgrade for a package?
[02:30] <jrib> sin_tax: no problem
[02:31] <savagecroc> apt-get --just-print upgrade
[02:32] <gaelfx> after the most recent kernel update, my wireless isn't working. It tries to connect, but fails every time, could someone help me diagnose/fix the problem?
[02:32] <LantzR> drag0nius: always has done so for me. A different trap is a firewall blockinq $PGPORT from those pesky foreign computers.
[02:32] <_helios_> I was looking over a few text based browser's anyone have any suggestions on the best one to get?
[02:33] <bin_bash> gaelfx, did you reboot?
[02:33] <gaelfx> bin_bash: yes
[02:33] <bin_bash> gaelfx, did you ry downgrading the kernel?
[02:33] <gaelfx> bin_bash: I even tried rebooting into the older kernel, but it still doesn't work
[02:33] <bin_bash> hm
[02:34] <bin_bash> gaelfx, when you say "booting into the older kernel" what do you mean
[02:35] <gaelfx> bin_bash: booted up into grub, selected the previous kernel image to boot from rather than the newly installed one (.36 rather than .37, in precise btw)
[02:35] <dr_willis> _helios_:  lynx  links  w3m    are 3.. may be more in the repos
[02:35] <topper4125> !info lynx | _helios_
[02:35] <_helios_> dr_willis: there was one called elinks was gonna give it a shot
[02:36] <bin_bash> gaelfx, no offense, but are you /sure/ the older kernel was what you booted into? usually when you upgrade the kernel it's overwritten
[02:36] <Chegy> Hi guys! Any of you want to help out regarding c++?
[02:36] <dr_willis> old ones get forked and renamed a lot   ;-)
[02:36] <decci> Ubuntu 12.04.1 doesnt come with open-iscsi package. I want to add it during the installation time
[02:36] <decci> How to do that
[02:36] <dr_willis> ubuntu keeps all old kernel's
[02:36] <gaelfx> bin_bash: hang on
[02:36] <SolarisBoy> decci: use a preseed file
[02:36] <bin_bash> dr_willis, my box doesn't.
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> decci: or you can roll your own custom installer
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: Whats that
[02:37] <gaelfx> bin_bash: yes, uname returns the .36 kernel
[02:37] <dr_willis> you are in a frankenbox tgen
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: How to do it
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> decci: a way to automate installations and at the least add a package
[02:37] <Nach0z> frankenbox sounds awesome
[02:37] <bin_bash> gaelfx, which wireless card is it?
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: Is there any way I can addd this driver during install time?
[02:37] <escott_> Chegy, there is a #c++ channel which would be more appropriate for general c++ questions
[02:37] <dr_willis> ive seen 12+ old kernels befor
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> decci: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-using.html
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> decci: read up on that page
[02:38] <decci> SolarisBoy: ok
[02:38] <savagecroc> hi, i'm trying to upgrade postgres to 9.2.3 but it doesn't show up in apt-get --just-print upgrade
[02:39] <decci> savagecroc: Looks complicated
[02:39] <gaelfx> bin_bash: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[02:39] <SolarisBoy> decci: also there are several ways to create a custom installation media (like the installation DVD/CD) so you can try those as well if it looks more convenient
[02:39] <bin_bash> gaelfx, does it have a hardware switch
[02:40] <savagecroc> decci: shouldn't be it's just a bunch of bugs and security fixes
[02:40] <decci> SolarisBoy: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-with-remastersys.html
[02:40] <gaelfx> bin_bash: nope, it even sees the network it normally connects to, it's just failing to connect to it for whatever reason
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> decci: sure ...
[02:40] <bin_bash> gaelfx, what kind of encryption is the network
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> savagecroc: seems like ubuntu keeps 9.1 in the standard repo's you may need to go out of the ubuntu repos for the version you require
[02:41] <savagecroc> ahhhh
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> atleast for 12.04.1
[02:41] <savagecroc> righhhht
[02:41] <decci> SolarisBoy: Can I add driver through remastersys
[02:41] <savagecroc> ok.. yeah i must have added some other source to get 9.2
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> decci: i have never used that
[02:41] <decci> SolarisBoy: Can you suggest me an easy way to add driver during install time
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> decci: i did =)
[02:42] <decci> SolarisBoy: Using preseeding seems like little complicated
[02:42] <gaelfx> bin_bash: wep
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> decci: heh it is what it is
[02:42] <decci> SolarisBoy: Cant I add drivers as I do with RHEL
[02:42] <bin_bash> gaelfx, what network manager are you using?
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> decci: rhel uses kickstart and thats equivalent to what you consider "difficult"
[02:42] <gaelfx> bin_bash: ifconfig seems to be reporting nearly half of Tx packets have errors
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> so same difference..
[02:43] <gaelfx> bin_bash: just the standard that came with precise, nothing fancy
[02:43] <bin_bash> gaelfx, that is very interesting. Sometimes wep has problems. is ther any way you can change it to wpa2 or wpa and try again?
[02:44] <gaelfx> bin_bash: no, it's one of those AT&T modem/router dealidos
[02:44] <ePirat> Ok thanks again password reset was successfull
[02:44] <bin_bash> gaelfx, so? you can connect to it via ehternet and change the settings
[02:44] <ePirat> just another quick question, whats this system reserved drive showing up every time? had never seen it before :o
[02:45] <FergusL> g++ / linker question, is there a way to know _exactly_ what files ld links against when executing ?
[02:45] <SolarisBoy> decci: can you clarify if you want to install drivers during setup that are non-standard etc, or if you need to have some driver to install your OS like some storage driver (iscsi,powerpath) etc?
[02:45] <FergusL> a -v or something
[02:45] <escott_> gaelfx, wep also stands for "weak encryption protocol"
[02:46] <decci> SolarisBoy: I am unable to install Ubuntu 12.04.1 on COmpellent SAN directly due to missing open-iscsi package
[02:46] <SolarisBoy> if it's the first you need to customize your CD/install media or use preseed files, if the latter im not sure but i do believe has a section in the install that asks if you need to load additional drivers
[02:46] <dr_willis> ePirat:  see what files are on it.. could be some windows recovery partition
[02:46] <decci> SolarisBoy:I want to inject this driver during install time
[02:46] <SolarisBoy> decci: ok thanks for explaining - i get you now
[02:47] <gaelfx> bin_bash: I sincerely doubt the problem is with the encryption, and I don't think changing it is a very good option. The problem seems to be on this machine's end, so anything I'm changing is gonna be here
[02:47] <gaelfx> escott_: thanks for that
[02:47] <bin_bash> gaelfx, I seriously think the problem is WEP. Because I've had this exact same problem. And using WPA/2 works.
[02:47] <decci> SolarisBoy: So what you suggest
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> decci: pause the installation before disk creation and switch TTY's install it there and switch back to the GUI to continue the installation if there is no set place to add additional drivers
[02:49] <gaelfx> bin_bash:  I think it's more likely that whatever new module for broadcom wireless came with the new kernel broke the functionality of my particular card
[02:49] <decci> SolarisBoy: Do you mean during Ubuntu installation time?
[02:49] <bin_bash> gaelfx, k. good luck figuring that ne out.
[02:49] <decci> SolarisBoy: Before the disk creation????
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> i guess you are right on that side because RHEL based systems do ask if you want to add additional drivers
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> decci: yes ....
[02:49] <bin_bash> gaelfx, go ahead and forget about my easy fix. And have fun debugging kernel modules
[02:50] <decci> SolarisBoy: When does the screen comes - before disk creation
[02:50] <SolarisBoy> decci: look into manually installing the driver - and switching TTY's.
[02:50] <_helios_> I was going to download the Ubuntu 13.04 beta and give it a try in Virtual Box is that possible?
[02:50] <dr_willis> _helios_:  yes
[02:50] <bin_bash> yes
[02:50] <bin_bash> why wouldn't it be?
[02:51] <_helios_> bin_bash: Is there a link for 13.04 or do I have to torrent it?
[02:51] <dr_willis> the 3d desktop effects and stuff may be very slow however.
[02:51] <bin_bash> _helios_, did you try google?
[02:51] <dr_willis> _helios_:  #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 info
[02:51] <ePirat> dr_willis, you are right, it is… can I somehow ignore it?
[02:52] <_helios_> Thanks dr_willis, bin_bash
[02:52] <al__> Silly question.. on standard ubuntu 12.10 installation w/ firefox, in firefox how can you specify/change the 9 tiles in about:startpage?  I can't find in about:config.
[02:52] <dr_willis> ePirat:  make a fstab entry for it  with 'noauto' and it might not show it by default in the fimle manager.
[02:53] <dr_willis> al__:  i was thinking you drag/drop items from the otehr pages... i did it once. ages ago
[02:54] <al__> dr_willis: no luck att.  such a silly problem to have.
[02:54] <dr_willis> ive noticed that ff on ubuntu with that ubuntu ff extension acts/looks a little differntly then a vanilla firefox setup also.
[02:54] <dr_willis> al__:  i may have that ubuntu ff plugin disabled.. im not on a pc to test right now. but i do recall it being odd how the differances were
[02:55] <dr_willis> al__:  i may also be thinking of how chrome did it. I seem to recall dragging an icon from one page, somehwer and it went to the main page.
[02:56] <dr_willis> whem i web browse these days im on my phone 90% of the time. :)
[02:58] <al__> dr_willis: yeah I think it's the ubuntu mod, which makes it more difficult to find an answer too :/
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> so, how to dual screen wallpapers in 12.04?  nitrogen wants to work, but doesn't....
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> i'm not sure more whiskey is the answer...
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> buuuuuut, it's worth a shot.
[02:59] <dr_willis> al__:  might be worth filing a bug report on that extension. but its gotten where i disable it by default sadly.
[02:59] <paijo> ohh jamputtt
[03:00] <TheUzer> hi
[03:00] <dr_willis> i just make a wide wallpaper pasted in gimp from 2 wallpapers ;)
[03:00] <TheUzer> o fudge
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> how to span it?  dr_willis
[03:01] <TheUzer> the ubuntu servers are on freenode
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> right now they are mirrored
[03:01] <dr_willis> DeadWeasel:  thats a feature of your video drivers/conmfigs.
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> ati 6770 proprietaries
[03:01] <dr_willis> DeadWeasel:  i just enable twinview for my nvidia cards in the ncidia control center
[03:02] <bin_bash> I don't think my video card even allows that ;.;
[04:27] <the_jeebster> so does the admin group have sudo privileges?
[04:27] <histo> the_jeebster: usermod -d    you can chnge their home
[04:27] <histo> the_jeebster: no the sudo group does if you are using ubunto. But it all depends on what your sudoers is set to.
[04:27] <the_jeebster> histo: interesting. even on 10.0.4 LTS? I'm following a tutorial and they seem to have everything working with a user just in the admin group
[04:27] <m000gle> Is there any way to get IBus to play nicely with Skype 4.1 in Ubuntu 12.10? ... IBus Chinese input works fine on all other software, but Skype seems to not be using IBus
[04:28] <derp> holy fucking script batman
[04:28] <histo> the_jeebster: In my sudoers on 12.04 they have admin and sudo groups enabled for root access
[04:28] <histo> !language | derp
[04:29] <derp> well there IS some serious flooding going on
[04:29] <derp> i think my fuck was warranted
[04:29] <derp> sorry
[04:29] <derp> f***
[04:29] <din> lol
[04:29] <FloodBot1> derp: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:30] <histo> !netsplit | derp
[04:31] <Bsadowski1> Hi derp.
[04:31] <derp> yesh
[04:31] <histo> the_jeebster: usermod username -d /new/home
[04:32] <the_jeebster> histo: thanks
[04:32] <swill215> Hi all.
[04:32] <histo> the_jeebster: assuming you don't want to move their files
[04:33] <histo> the_jeebster: you can add -m if you want to move the users files
[04:33] <makeawish> anyone know of a good chatrom for aws?
[04:33] <swill215> Is it just me, or does Ubuntu 12.10 no longer support USB & PS/2 devices?
[04:33] <histo> makeawish: /msg alis list *aws*
[04:33] <Elv1313> swill215: just you
[04:33] <histo> swill215: Yes none of us are using keyboards and mice
[04:34] <histo> I've been willing what I want to type for some time now.
[04:34] <bin_bash> I use the on-screen touch keyboard
[04:34] <Elv1313> most of them are PS2 emulated
[04:35] <swill215> Yes, because I am genuinely retarded to ask a question of that nature. Only plausible reason.
[04:35] <topper4125> 12.04 runs all my joysticks perfectly
[04:35] <swill215> Thanks for your support.
[04:35] <topper4125> plus my thumb drives, Printer, scanner, webcam, kindle
[04:36] <histo> swill215: lol What is your actual issue?
[04:36] <histo> !details | swill215
[04:36] <bin_bash> If you come in with a sarcastic question, you can't honestly expect a serious answer
[04:36] <swill215> histo: I am unable to use USB & PS/2 when booting from a DVD.
[04:37] <swill215> Ubuntu 12.10 64-bit
[04:37] <Elv1313> EFI or BIOS?
[04:37] <histo> swill215: So you can't use keybord rigth?
[04:37] <topper4125> swill215, do you need to adjust your bios?
[04:37] <`ingsoc> Something is changing my /etc/resolv.conf. Please help.
[04:37] <swill215> UEFI bios.
[04:37] <`ingsoc> I keep getting new DNS servers in there.
[04:38] <bin_bash> swill215, laptop or desktop
[04:38] <swill215> Desktop.
[04:38] <Elv1313> `ingsoc: resulv.conf is dynamically generated
[04:38] <bin_bash> have you tried other distros, swill215?
[04:38] <`ingsoc> Elv1313: I have the appropriate dns-servers line in /etc/network/interfaces. Somehow entries are being added to resolv.conf.
[04:39] <topper4125> swill215, did you verify the download?
[04:39] <topper4125> !verify | swill215
[04:39] <ACubed10> hello everyone
[04:40] <derp> if you're using a machine with ps2 perhaps an older distro say 10.04?
[04:40] <swill215> bin_bash: I have. With those I have full USB & PS/2 and no issues. Distros tried: BT5R3 (KDE), Ubuntu 11.10 (a disc I had lying around).
[04:40] <`ingsoc> Someone said something about commenting out dnsmasq yesterday, but it doesn't work.
[04:40] <histo> derp: shouldn't matter ps2 is still supported
[04:40] <`ingsoc> WHY IS UBUNTU SO FREAKING BOTNET?
[04:40] <derp> i know im reaching
[04:40] <ACubed10> I <3 Ubuntu
[04:40] <`ingsoc> I have another computer connected to the same network running Debian and this doesn't happen.
[04:40] <bin_bash> swill215, then use one of those.
[04:40] <`ingsoc> It makes me so upset.
[04:41] <`ingsoc> I was stupid enough to install Ubuntu and now I'm stuck with it.
[04:41] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, install gentoo then
[04:41] <swill215> The thing is that I downloaded the iso from Ubuntu. Not from a 3rd party.
[04:41] <`ingsoc> Wtf would DNS server just be changed?
[04:41] <tripflex> whoa now
[04:41] <histo> `ingsoc: entries are added to resolv.conf by resolvconf package
[04:41] <tripflex> stupid enough to install ubuntu
[04:41] <tripflex> tsk tsk
[04:41] <bin_bash> swill215, idk. seems like it doesn't work. try a different distro if those work.
[04:41] <`ingsoc> What the hell is changing resolv.conf after I set dns-servers in /etc/interfaces/network.
[04:42] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, CANONICAL.
[04:42] <bin_bash> THEY'RE HECKERING U
[04:42] <`ingsoc> Seriously, Ubuntu used to be a great distro. It's a joke now.
[04:42] <histo> `ingsoc: if you want to change an entry edit cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[04:42] <histo> `ingsoc: sorry remove the cat.
[04:42] <`ingsoc> histo: There's nothing in head.
[04:42] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, lol it's because canonical wants to be the next apple
[04:42] <histo> `ingsoc: That's where you can add your own dns servers
[04:42] <`ingsoc> histo: It's empty.
[04:42] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, ADD THE DNS SERVERS TO THE EMPTY FILE
[04:42] <bin_bash> OH MY GOD.
[04:43] <bin_bash> is it stupid night every night in here?
[04:43] <histo> yeap
[04:43] <ACubed10> haha
[04:43] <apb1963_> hello
[04:43] <`ingsoc> I HAVE A DNS-SERVERS LINE IN /ETC/NETWORK/INTERFACES.
[04:43] <swill215> bin_bash: I know I'm not explaining myself very well. The odd thing is that I can get to the entrance menu on if you wish to 'Try Ubuntu' or 'Install Ubuntu'. I can click on those no issues.
[04:43] <`ingsoc> BUT THAT GETS OVERWRITTEN.
[04:43] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, ADD IT TO THE HEAD YOU FAILED ABORTION
[04:43] <histo> `ingsoc: It's not ubuntu the devs and others chose to use the resolvconf package.
[04:43] <`ingsoc> GODDAMMIT.
[04:43] <histo> `ingsoc: head doesn't get overwritten
[04:43] <histo> `ingsoc: head controls what goes in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:43] <tripflex> i woul;dnt waste your time on `ingsoc
[04:43] <histo> okay
[04:43] <histo> i'm done
[04:44] <`ingsoc> No, wait.
[04:44] <melty> lol
[04:44] <bin_bash> swill215, that sounds odd.
[04:44] <`ingsoc> I'm just frustrated.
[04:44] <tripflex> you obviously dont want anybody to help
[04:44] <tripflex> and that's our fault?
[04:44] <`ingsoc> No.
[04:44] <`ingsoc> Ofc not.
[04:44] <swill215> bin_bash: One tries to 'Try', loses all support for PS/2 & USB.
[04:44] <bin_bash> swill215, did you check the md5 of the iso before burning?
[04:44] <`ingsoc> I'm trying to figure out why Google's DNS servers are overwriting my own in /etc/resolv.conf.
[04:44] <histo> `ingsoc: being frustrated for a lack of understanding and taking it out on people voluntarily trying to help isn't going to get your far.
[04:44] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, we just fucking told you
[04:44] <swill215> bin_bash: I did not. I'm unsure on how to check it on a mac.
[04:45] <bin_bash> but apparently mommy didn't use the coat hanger properly
[04:45] <bin_bash> and you can't read
[04:45] <IdleOne> bin_bash: No swearing.
[04:45] <histo> `ingsoc: because when you use dhcp it pulls dns servers from your router and puts them in resolv.conf  using the resolvconf package.
[04:45] <bin_bash> swill215, in a terminal on OS X, tyep md5sum nameoffile.iso
[04:45] <`ingsoc> histo: Can I disable it pulling the dns servers?
[04:45] <histo> `ingsoc: If you read the top of the resolv.conf file you will see the notation "Hey this gets over written"
[04:45] <datsmoida> how can i make a background process stop sending stuff to my terminal ?
[04:45] <datsmoida> tried disown
[04:46] <histo> `ingsoc: the way to add your own custom entries Now since this behavior is to edit the head file I told you about.
[04:46] <histo> datsmoida: You could redirect the output. Or close the terminal and open a new one.
[04:46] <datsmoida> redirect it to what, how ?
[04:46] <`ingsoc> histo: I know that will get the correct entries in there, but it doesn't fix the problem.
[04:46] <datsmoida> /dev/null ?
[04:47] <histo> datsmoida: 2>/dev/null
[04:47] <histo> datsmoida: sorry > /dev/null
[04:47] <histo> `ingsoc: Okay then what's the problem?
[04:48] <swill215> Damn. bin_bash left :(
[04:48] <histo> `ingsoc: the top entries are used first and your will be first.
[04:48] <histo> swill215: I believe he left by force
[04:48] <histo> !md5sum | swill215
[04:48] <`ingsoc> histo: What's the file again?
[04:48] <histo> `ingsoc: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[04:49] <`ingsoc> histo: It says I shouldn't edit it?
[04:49] <histo> `ingsoc: Yeah that's where that commment in /etc/resolv.conf comes from.
[04:50] <swill215> histo: I tried to check for the md5sum. According to it, the file cannot be verified.
[04:50] <tgm4883> histo, actually he should edit base no?
[04:50] <`ingsoc> histo: And there's no way I can stop the Ubuntu botnet getting DNS servers from my router?
[04:50] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, ubuntu botnet?
[04:50] <tgm4883> I feel I missed something
[04:50] <histo> `ingsoc: Please stop it's not a botnet it's the resolvconf package doing it.
[04:50] <tgm4883> histo, maybe he's making a botnet?
[04:51] <`ingsoc> I have a dns-servers line in /etc/network/interfaces, but Ubuntu ignores it.
[04:51] <histo> tgm4883: No he's just very saulty
[04:51] <`ingsoc> Lol.
[04:51] <histo> `ingsoc: becuase they don't belong there.
[04:51] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, as it should
[04:51] <`ingsoc> So do I edit base or head?
[04:52] <kumarat9pm> how to do watermarking with shutter screenshot tool?
[04:52] <histo> `ingsoc: the head
[04:52] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[04:52] <`ingsoc> Sure. I will.
[04:52] <tgm4883> histo, putting DNS servers in /etc/networking/interfaces is perfectly valid if we're talking about a server
[04:52] <histo> `ingsoc: just put your dns servers in the head file and restart networking or resolvconf all will be happy. Then go find something else to complain and freak out about that your don't understand.
[04:53] <`ingsoc> It works perfectly fine on Debian.
[04:53] <tgm4883> histo, are we talking about a server or desktop?
[04:53] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, still waiting on that file
[04:53] <histo> tgm4883: Yeah if he wasn't using network manager which overwrites it.
[04:53] <Rabblerouser> :> I have a knack for breaking the GUI
[04:53] <`ingsoc> Sec, I need to blank out the IPs.
[04:53]  * histo slaps forehead
[04:53] <tgm4883> histo, if he's using network manager, why isn't he putting his DNS servers in there?
[04:54] <`ingsoc> I'm using a static ip.
[04:54] <histo> tgm4883: idk.
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so what?
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you can put a static IP in network manager
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> any onehere?
[04:54] <histo> tgm4883: because he doens't understand how these programs manage is network connection.
[04:54] <histo> kumarat9pm: no
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> :)
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, heck, you can use a dynamic IP address in network manager and still have it use specific dns servers
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> is it for shutter or you?
[04:54] <swill215> histo: I tried to verify the file. According to it, the file cannot be verified.
[04:54] <Rabblerouser> Was installing Audacity, when Software Center and the rest of Ubuntu locked up. Now I'm rebooted and I'm running everything through Terminal since I have no GUI :(
[04:55] <histo> swill215: That's not good. So your iso is corrupt
[04:55] <dydzEz2> anyone have problems where when trying to install ubuntu alongside winodws 8, the ubuntu install doesnt see the windows 8 partitions
[04:55] <histo> Rabblerouser: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[04:55] <`ingsoc> http://pastebin.com/E8J5C7xD
[04:55] <tgm4883> corrupt iso's are easily fixable via torrents or zsync
[04:55] <`ingsoc> I removed the IP addresses.
[04:56] <swill215> histo: That is the official download from Ubuntu. I had another disc with 12.04.1 LTS 64bit & that refused to even boot.
[04:56] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, ok, and why don't you want to use network manager again?
[04:56] <histo> swill215: Well aparently it's not the official download if the md5sum don't match
[04:56] <`ingsoc> I'm ocd so I don't want to.
[04:56] <tgm4883> swill215, could have been corrupted during download
[04:56] <histo> swill215: aparently a few bytes or bits are messed up.
[04:56] <`ingsoc> It's hard to explain.
[04:56] <`ingsoc> I want to do it this way.
[04:56] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, I've gathered it's very hard to explain things to you
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so apt-get remove network-manager?
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Why are you being mean to me?
[04:57] <histo> `ingsoc: Are these internal ips that you blacked out?
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, i've read the backlog, you started it
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[04:57] <`ingsoc> They're internal.
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Except for the dns-servers line.
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you're being overly paranoid about your internal IP addresses
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I have network-manager disable as a service.
[04:58]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[04:58] <`ingsoc> Well, hackers.
[04:58] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, considering you aren't blocking people from seeing your external/public IP address
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I'm scared, okay?
[04:58] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, no
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I'm behind a proxy.
[04:58] <histo> `ingsoc: You do realize that you are connected to an irc network that reveals your ip address right?
[04:58] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[04:59] <histo> `ingsoc: and that your internal ips are not accessible from the outside world.
[04:59] <`ingsoc> Yes, I know.
[04:59] <`ingsoc> But ocd doesn't work that way.
[04:59] <histo> wow
[04:59] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, it's pretty obvious you don't understand how networking works (don't worry, most people don't), but if network manager is overwriting your DNS entries why not remove it
[05:00] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you keep using that (ocd). I do not think it means what you think it means
[05:00] <`ingsoc> tgm4883: So let me get this straight. Ubuntu knowingly includes bloat to complicate network configuration through network-manager?
[05:01] <histo> `ingsoc: No to simplify network configuration.
[05:01] <`ingsoc> I'm worried that it'll kill my connection if I remove network-manager.
[05:01] <histo> `ingsoc: And you don't have to install it. either.
[05:01] <`ingsoc> I made the mistake of installing Ubuntu.
[05:01] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so let me get this straight. You have asked for help, refuse help, refuse to remove the parts that are preventing you from configuring things the convoluted way you want to, and somehow that is Ubuntu's fault
[05:01] <`ingsoc> And now I don't have the time to reinstall.
[05:02] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, why would it kill your network connection?
[05:02] <tgm4883> that doesn't even make sense
[05:02] <`ingsoc> Okay, I'll test it.
[05:02] <`ingsoc> If I'm not back in 10 minutes, Ubuntu ruined my day again.
[05:02] <histo> `ingsoc: You're free to return to windows.
[05:02] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, if you aren't back in 10 minutes, then it's because I finally convinced a mod to ban you
[05:02] <histo> `ingsoc: No one is forcing you here.
[05:02] <`ingsoc> histo: Try LMDE. XD
[05:03] <`ingsoc> That's absurd!
[05:03] <tgm4883> lol
[05:03] <`ingsoc> Ubuntu is forcing me here because it stole my time and now I can't reinstall.
[05:03] <topper4125> if you have to re-install... try ubuntu minimal install... comes with nothing that is needed.
[05:03] <`ingsoc> I'm stuck with it until it breaks.
[05:03] <tgm4883> Phillip, we are trying to help you
[05:03] <`ingsoc> One sec. I'll brb.
[05:03] <histo> `ingsoc: becuase you have some jacked up way that you want to configure networking that isn't going to work and refuse to take any advise on how to fix it. Good luck to you in your ventures. I'm done.
[05:04] <histo> Insane
[05:04] <tgm4883> histo, it's people like that why I'm not mod of this channel
[05:04] <tgm4883> histo, if he comes back, ping me. I'm leaving to get some cake
[05:04]  * histo deep breaths
[05:04] <dell1> I have an external hard drive and would like to format it to ext3; does anybody know how can I do that? I am using GParted but I do not know what should be the partition table type.
[05:05] <histo> I'm still waiting for my laptop to run out of battery this is rediculous. New ssd is sick and laptop-mode-tools etc...
[05:05] <tgm4883> dell1, MBR?
[05:05]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:07:21)
[05:05] <histo> dell1: You can make any partition table you want. Do you want one big partition?
[05:05] <Jouva> I'm having problems connecting to IPs that are on the same machine which the connection is being initiated from. I'm not using localhost; I'm using one of the IPs or host names that resolve to those IPs. iptables is completely empty. Thoughts?
[05:05] <dell1> tgm4883: I am not sure, but it says the default is MS-DOS partition table
[05:06] <tgm4883> dell1, that should be fine I think
[05:06] <dell1> histo: Yes I do
[05:06] <tgm4883> I think the other option is GPT
[05:06] <Elv1313> dell1: use it
[05:06] <histo> Jouva: Do you mind clarifying a little.
[05:06] <histo> dell1: use gpt and create a big partition.
[05:07] <dell1> histo: I want to format my NTFS external hard disk to ext3 (1TB)
[05:07] <histo> dell1: wlel then just mkfs.ext3 /dev/of/exteral/drive
[05:07] <tgm4883> dell1, why not ext4?
[05:07] <histo> dell1: no need to repartition.
[05:07] <Elv1313> dell1: Use MS-DOS partition format and use an ext3 or ext4 partition
[05:07] <tgm4883> yea, no need to repartition, just format
[05:07] <vnc786> go can I run websites on ubuntu which requries IE ? i tried installing ie4linux  but its not working..can some give some hint..i have tried winetricks, ie4linux
[05:08] <tgm4883> I'd recommend ext4 if you don't have a specific reason for ext3
[05:08] <dell1> MS-DOS or GPT?
[05:08] <tgm4883> really out now, cake time
[05:08] <Elv1313> MS-DOS
[05:08] <histo> dell1: gpt for large disks
[05:08] <histo> Elv1313: please stop
[05:08] <dell1> I found that ext3 is more compatible between distros
[05:08] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: bring enough for the rest of the class =P
[05:08] <Elv1313> histo: GPT partition sheme have issues on older systems
[05:09] <histo> Elv1313: msdos partition scheme can't address larger disks
[05:09] <Rabblerouser> Well I got my unity back, but sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a is taking FOREVER with no 'updates' on its progress
[05:09] <histo> Elv1313: that's why we have gpt
[05:09] <Jouva> histo: Ok. So I don't want to give away my IPs so for the sake of discussion we can just assume 169.254.x.x is actually public routable. Those aren't the IPs I'm using mind you.
[05:09] <Elv1313> histo: it can be extended to support 4tb just fine and it have better compatibility
[05:09] <Rabblerouser> Scratch that. Just got a return: "/usr/sbin/kpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed"
[05:10] <dell1> Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None
[05:10] <dell1> ?
[05:10] <histo> Jouva: ~jouva@pool-98-111-142-253.phlapa.fios.verizon.net is your ip
[05:10] <Jouva> this is not the machine in question I am on
[05:10] <Jouva> it's my server
[05:10] <histo> dell1: How large is this disk?
[05:10] <Jouva> histo: Publicly routable, in a data center
[05:11] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None? (I want to have one partition, 1TB)
[05:11] <dell1> I mean whole disk as one partition
[05:11] <histo> Elv1313: And how old of a machine would it have to be to not support gpt. I highly doubt they will run into that issue.
[05:11] <Jouva> histo: But say my machine has 169.254.10.10 through 169.254.10.20. And maybe 169.254.10.15 has an IRC server on it. If I have an IRC bot that is trying to connect to port 6667 on 169.254.10.15, it won't work. But outside connections are fine.
[05:11] <Rabblerouser> Can someone help? Someone suggested I use sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a... and after a while, it returned "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed"
[05:11] <histo> dell1: Are you using gparted?
[05:11] <Elv1313> histo: if he use ext3, he probably will
[05:11] <dell1> I have Dell Studio 1555, two years old
[05:11] <Steamed_buns> ...
[05:12] <dell1> histo: Yes
[05:12] <dell1> I choose ext4
[05:12] <histo> Jouva: how do you ahve 10 ips assigned to one machine?
[05:12] <Elv1313> histo: I first used GPT around 2008, and it had bugs because it was rare back then
[05:12] <dell1> Is it the same in 2013?
[05:12] <histo> dell1: it's pretty easy to just delete a parititon and create a new one. Where are you getting asked all these questions?
[05:13] <ahmedipa> Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:13] <Jouva> histo: Fine it's 6 with 4 usable. Just roll with it.
[05:13] <Jouva> The number of IPs isn't the point
[05:13] <Jouva> It's more than one IP
[05:13] <cfhowlett> vnc786, to get at websites that require IE, use wine and install an old IE version ...
[05:13] <Elv1313> no, its fine now, I use it everywhere, but if you want to use ext3 for compatiblity, then use MS-DOs for compatibility too
[05:13] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None?
[05:13] <histo> Jouva: Yes it is an issue. Are these virtual machines, or multiple adapters, or virtual adpaters. It has a lot to do withyour problem. Are they on the same subnet as other machines on the network ?
[05:14] <histo> Jouva: but if you don't want to go into it I dont' have the time.
[05:14] <ahmedipa> Can't Log Into Ubuntu 12.04
[05:14] <`ingsoc> Nope.
[05:14] <histo> WTH is with people tonight.
[05:14] <`ingsoc> It didn't work.
[05:14] <ahmedipa> How can I solve this problem
[05:14] <ahmedipa> ??
[05:14] <`ingsoc> Your advice FAILED.
[05:14] <Jouva> histo: It's a single physical machine. Not running any virtual server stuff
[05:14] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None?
[05:14] <`ingsoc> UBUNTU IS A BOTNET AND IT'S ATTACKING /ETC/RESOLV.CONF.
[05:14] <Rabblerouser> No one?
[05:14] <`ingsoc> You've been warned!
[05:15] <histo> Jouva: With how many nics? and are they on the same class as the rest of the network?
[05:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: seriuosly?
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[05:15] <Elv1313> dell1: align to the start of the disk, and use gparted, not fdisk or other tools, recent disks use 4k sectors, older partitions utilities try to force 512bytes
[05:15] <`ingsoc> It keeps changing it.
[05:15] <Jouva> histo: Sorry, I thought you meant how like you were confused how it was possible, not how I had it configured.
[05:15] <histo> `ingsoc: please stop and go elsewhere you won't listen to us.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Even after I used a dns-servers line.
[05:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: oh my gosh, best go back to windows then
[05:15] <`ingsoc> No.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> It doesn't happen on Debian.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Why does Ubuntu do this?
[05:15] <cfhowlett> ingsoc  stop trolling.  ubuntu is not a botnet ... and feel free to use debian
[05:15] <histo> `ingsoc: BECAUSE DEBIAN DOESN"T HAVE THE RESOLVCONF PACKAGE OR NETWORK MANAGER
[05:16] <`ingsoc> Okay, just settle down.
[05:16] <Jouva> histo: Looks like 2 nics, but the 2nd one is on a private network 10.x.x.x that isn't part of this and isn't an IP I'm trying to connect to. The public IPs are all on eth0
[05:16] <dell1> Elv1313: It asks for align to: MiB/Cylinder/None
[05:16] <dell1> What should I choose?
[05:16] <`ingsoc> How do I stop resolvconf or network-manager from pulling DNS servers out its ass?
[05:16] <Elv1313> take the default, but you should align to sector one
[05:16] <cfhowlett> vnc786, note: an old IE version is included with wine
[05:16] <histo> !language | `ingsoc
[05:16] <Elv1313> (0 being the mbr)
[05:16] <Jouva> histo: But yes, same subnet. 255.255.255.248
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: they are being pulled from your router.
[05:17] <histo> Jouva: not the same subnet sorry the same class c
[05:17] <`ingsoc> histo: How do I stop it?
[05:17] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: Ubuntu just doesnt make up DNS servers dude
[05:17] <ahmedipa> anyone has idea about my problem regarding to cannot login to 12.04
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: Remove them
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: or work with them you choose
[05:17] <Jouva> histo: Oh. Still yes.
[05:17] <`ingsoc> histo: I need them (nmcli).
[05:17] <ahmedipa> every day I face new problem
[05:17] <dell1> An error occurred while applying the operations
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: I've told you how to work with them. You obviously don't want ot do that. So remove them or go back to debian.
[05:17] <dell1> IMPORTANT
[05:17] <dell1> If you want support, you need to provide the saved details!
[05:17] <dell1> See http://gparted.org/save-details.htm for more information.
[05:17] <Rabblerouser> "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed". How do I fix this?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> !details|ahmedipa     restate the details ...
[05:18] <`ingsoc> histo: I want to work with them. Please.
[05:18] <histo> Jouva: ex: 192.168.1.xxx  and rest of network is 192.168.1.xxx also
[05:18] <apb1963_> I'm trying to ftp... getting connection refused.  I can't help but notice xinetd is not running.  What is the ubuntu way of making this work please?
[05:18] <Flannel> dell1: Use GParted, don't drop to low level command line tools (not all command line tools are low level, but you have found a very low level one).
[05:18] <Flannel> dell1: It's easier, and its probably quicker too.
[05:18] <Jouva> histo: Yep. All the same subnet for the public IPs
[05:18] <histo> `ingsoc: Then put your dns servers you want in head file. Ex: nameserver 8.8.8.8  in that file
[05:18] <dell1> I am using GParted
[05:18] <vnc786> cfhowlett: i did install ie7 with ./ielinux --no-gui --install ie7 it show that it has installed successfully but when trying to open it does'n work and also i did winetricks ie6 it also show it has installed and it gets IE get open  but the website is still asking for >IE 5.5
[05:18] <dell1> Flannel: I am using GParted
[05:19] <dell1> But I got error
[05:19] <Jouva> histo: Mind you this only started happening in the past few days. I did an apt-get update and rebooted, and then this happened. There MIGHT have also been a change to BIND9 or resolv.conf, but I don't see anything odd.
[05:19] <`ingsoc> histo: I did, and it still pulled Google's DNS servers.
[05:19] <Rabblerouser> Oh for god's sake, this is unbearable
[05:19] <ePirat> Wow new record, broke Ubuntu after only 3 hours ._.
[05:19] <ePirat> Won't boot anymore
[05:19] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett:  Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:19] <Jouva> histo: It's been fine for several months until now.
[05:19] <dell1> Should I unmount the hard drive before formating?
[05:19] <histo> Jouva: Can you please explain how this is wired?  The adapters please... How many are on this box and why are you using different ip subneets
[05:19] <Flannel> dell1: This is an external drive?  Did Ubuntu mount it automatically? (You can't format a mounted partition)
[05:19] <ahmedipa>  ubottu:  Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:19] <histo> `ingsoc: is your custom one at the top?
[05:19] <Flannel> dell1: Yes.
[05:19] <dell1> Flannel: Thanks
[05:20] <dell1> I will do it again
[05:20] <histo> `ingsoc: the top of resolv.conf that is.
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: Yes.
[05:20] <ahmedipa> ubottu: this is first time I face this problem
[05:20] <cfhowlett> vnc786, all I can say is ... avoid websites that REQUIRE obsolete and broken browers like ie 5.5  sorry, can't offer anything more than that.
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, on 12.04
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ?
[05:20] <histo> `ingsoc: then it's using your custom one. What's the problem?
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't want Google's DNS in there.
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: It makes me feel paranoid.
[05:20] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: yes 12.04
[05:21] <histo> `ingsoc: Then specify your custom ones in network manager.
[05:21] <Rabblerouser> Ironic that I get better support from a game's IRC channel and the game doesn't even run natively on Linux yet.
[05:21] <`ingsoc> histo: How?
[05:21] <STMelon> +1 Rabblerouser
[05:21] <histo> `ingsoc: click on the network icon and edit connections
[05:21] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett:   second problem is low disk space
[05:22] <histo> `ingsoc: or go into settings and then network and change the settings for that connection.
[05:22] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, one problem at a time ...thought you couldn't login?
[05:22] <Jouva> histo: The only different IP subnet is a single private one on eth1. All of my public IPs are in the same class C on eth0. This is a box that's a dedicated server being hosted by SingleHop. My assumption (not something I can say for certain, but the only thing I can think of) is that eth1 is for communicating with their own internal tech support and other machines in the same racks so that one
[05:22] <Jouva> doesn't need to go through the same routers
[05:22] <STMelon> histo is working his tail off though, trying to help all at the same time, give im some credit for multi-tasking
[05:22] <ahmedipa>  ubottu:  second problem is low disk space
[05:22] <histo> `ingsoc: OR change your stupid router settings to not hand out googles dns records
[05:22] <Rabblerouser> STMelon: Yes?
[05:22] <`ingsoc> histo: Well, now Ubuntu is even blocking access to 10.1.1.1
[05:22] <`ingsoc> histo: I get connection refused.
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: right let's solve the first problem
[05:23] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, fresh install?
[05:23] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: what package is broken?
[05:23] <Rabblerouser> Wait, histo is the ONLY one giving help? D: I had no idea.
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: as you said at this time I can't
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: what do you mean by that
[05:24] <Rabblerouser> man-db. Mind you this is after terminal sort of.. hung. Miraculously, I have my Unity back, but saying that still bugs me
[05:24] <histo> Rabblerouser: you coudl reinstall man-db
[05:24] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, how did you install ubuntu 12.04?  upgrade from a previous installation or a clean installation
[05:24] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: this happend after I tried to clean and trying to free up space
[05:24] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: and what have you already tried to do in order to correct the problem?
[05:25] <`ingsoc> Why is Ubuntu locking me out of 10.1.1.1?
[05:25] <Jouva> histo: I can't even ping localhost it seems
[05:25] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I don't have problem with installation only I install by usb live
[05:25] <Jouva> Or explicitly 127.0.0.1
[05:25] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: this is fifth month I use ubuntu
[05:25] <rob_p> `ingsoc: can you ping it?
[05:26] <Rabblerouser> Synaptic, upgrades, and fixing broken packages within Synaptic. Which it apparently didn't see this broken package
[05:26] <histo> Jouva: trace it?
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, OK
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: Yes.
[05:26] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I only faced these two problem
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, I've got an idea what happened ...
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: I can ping it but I can't telnet it or access it in my browser.
[05:26] <Jouva> histo: Yeah it's giving me timeout *s
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's a shitty DSL-502T (D-Link).
[05:26] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I would like to thank you for your attention
[05:26] <histo> Jouva: see where the issue is. and also which interface the packets are going oout on. If they are different ip ranges that could be the issue. Going out on one range that doesn't reach the other.
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, do you see the login screen at all?
[05:27] <topper4125> !language | `ingsoc
[05:27] <histo> !ohmy | `ingsoc
[05:27] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: yes I see login screen
[05:27] <Jouva> histo: I get nowhere. At all.
[05:27] <Jouva> traceroute to 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[05:27] <Jouva>  1  * * *
[05:27] <rob_p> `ingsoc: What is *it*? I'm guessing it has Telnet services running, etc?
[05:27] <Jouva> I don't know HOW it's doing that or WHY but it is
[05:27] <aleksandar> hey, I am thinking of making a custom install script and I'm wondering if there's some other solution than writing all commands myself?
[05:27] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, and after attempting login it loops and kicks you out  ... no error messages?
[05:27] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's a router.
[05:27] <Jouva> Yet it's allowing connections from outside and letting connections out
[05:28] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: well that isnt very descriptive, but why dont you try completely removing the package and reinstalling it. I dont know what kind of dependancies man-db has but you can try this
[05:28] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: but when I try to login it will be like loop as you said
[05:28] <`ingsoc> rob_p: ADSL router.
[05:28] <Jouva> Wonder if it's the route
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: tracepath
[05:28] <ahmedipa> no any error messages
[05:28] <Jouva> 1: no reply
[05:28] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: sudo apt-get autoclean || sudo apt-get remove --purge man-db || sudo apt-get install man-db
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: not good
[05:28] <Jouva> Yeahhhh
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: routes are jacked up
[05:28] <Jouva> That's what I'm thinking now
[05:29] <Rabblerouser> Will do, thanks.
[05:29] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: just ask me again and again to login even if I login
[05:29] <histo> Jouva: have you tried restarting networking?
[05:29] <dr_willis> cfhowlett: some day we need to track down or make a wiki page on resetting user settings. ive seen this identical questiin like 4 times this week
[05:29] <rob_p> `ingsoc: So you can ping it, but you can't access it's services?
[05:29] <Jouva> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh donnnnnnnnnt think I want to be doing that on my own ;)
[05:29] <Jouva> Not over ssh
[05:29] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  guest user works fine?
[05:29] <Jouva> I think at this point I'll let SingleHop look into it
[05:29] <cfhowlett> dr_willis,  as you're more familiar, can you guide us to the fix?
[05:30] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes but as you know not full permission
[05:30] <`ingsoc> rob_p: That's correct.
[05:30] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: as normal user
[05:30] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Perhaps it needs a reboot? Many of those consumer-grade routers have buggy firmware and need frequent reboots...
[05:30] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  can you login at the console as your user?
[05:31] <Rabblerouser> Got a bad feeling after seeing "Removing ubuntu-desktop" after doing that
[05:31] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: how can I do that
[05:31] <`ingsoc> rob_p: Hmm. I'll try that now.
[05:31] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Sort of off-topic for our discussion, but have you checked to see if there's a Linux-based firmware that would work with your router hardware?
[05:31] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  alt-ctrl-f1 to get to a console.. alt-ctrl-f7 to get back to X.. see if you can login as your user at the alt-ctrl-f1 console.
[05:33] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes I see
[05:33] <apb1963_> I'm trying to ftp... getting connection refused.  I can't help but notice xinetd is not running.  What is the ubuntu way of making this work please?
[05:34] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I want to try to login by this method he told me incorrect password
[05:34] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I don't know why
[05:34] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: if it doesnt automatically get reinstalled with man-db just trail that package at the end of the line like "sudo apt-get install man-db ubuntu-desktop"
[05:34] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  if you CAN login at the console. then  you can try to reset any problem setting files that may be you out..  be sure you are getting the CASEof your password right
[05:35] <Jouva> histo: Well thanks for your time though! Sorry for being a little frustrating there at the beginning. Just didn't understand what you needed cause I didn't read it right, though I'm sure my obfuscation didn't help. Just didn't want to look like I'm advertising a server, or have somebody try and poke at my server for exploits or something
[05:35] <Rabblerouser> Yeah, I'm doing that.. along with yelp, lintian, gnome-user-guide, ubuntu-docs, and ubuntu-standard. :D lol
[05:35] <rob_p> apb1963_: Depends on how you have your FTP server configured to run. Some relied on the old xinetd superserver and some run as a daemon. Some can be configured for either method.
[05:35] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you are sure you are using the right  password? ;)
[05:35] <apb1963_> rob_p stock ubuntu install.  You tell me :)
[05:36] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: yeah I figured there was gonna be some dependencies
[05:36] <rob_p> apb1963_: Did you install a FTP server?
[05:36] <apb1963_> rob_p: nope.  Figured it was part of the package.  Just whatever the ISO included.
[05:36] <rob_p> apb1963_: Ubuntu doesn't come with it installed by default...
[05:36] <apb1963_> ah
[05:36] <apb1963_> I'm learning :)
[05:37] <dr_willis> a ftp server by default? how... 1980's ;)
[05:37] <apb1963_> that's where I'm from :)
[05:37] <dr_willis> and insecure
[05:37] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I see tty1
[05:37] <apb1963_> no i'm pretty confident actually
[05:37] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I am sure about password
[05:38] <`ingsoc> HOW DO I STOP UBUNTU FROM STEALING DNS SERVERS FROM MY ROUTER?
[05:38] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you hit alt-ctrl-f1   get a LOGIN: prompt.. you enter your users name and password. and you should get a   bash prompt.. if you cant seem to get logged into the console.. you got deeper issues
[05:38] <rob_p> apb1963_: The repos have at least one or two options to choose from.  I've used proftp with lots of success in the past...
[05:38] <apb1963_> so I guess it's some sort of apt-get thingy right?
[05:38] <rob_p> apb1963_: yeah
[05:38]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:38] <apb1963_> apt-get proftp?
[05:38] <dr_willis> apb1963_: best would be to not use ftp. ;) but ssh
[05:38] <`ingsoc> Anyone?
[05:39] <apb1963_> can I get files with ssh?
[05:39] <`ingsoc> I just want it to stop!
[05:39] <apb1963_> never tried that
[05:39] <wiggmpk> I <3 FTP shhh
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  theres very little you cant do with ssh
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  if you ahve never used ssh.. then spend the time and learn ig
[05:39] <xisiqomelir> "man scp" apbl
[05:39] <apb1963_> will it clean my house?  I really need a package to do that
[05:39] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: stop using that router
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  ive seen very very few reasons to use ftp these days
[05:39] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I type my username then password
[05:39] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I can't afford a new one.
[05:39] <apb1963_> i'm old school what can I say
[05:40] <rob_p> `ingsoc: So were you able to get logged back into the router?
[05:40] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: by the way password when I type no character appear
[05:40] <`ingsoc> rob_p: No, it wouldn't let me.
[05:40] <dr_willis> say 'uga booga.. me got rock.. hit donosaur in head'
[05:40] <apb1963_> actually I use winscp on the windoze side of things
[05:40] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: well then put it in bridge mode and do your own NAT
[05:40] <`ingsoc> It's buggy as all hell.
[05:40] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: after that he tell me that incorrect
[05:40] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Because I know how to do that...
[05:40] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Sort of off-topic for our discussion, but have you checked to see if there's a Linux-based firmware that would work with your router hardware?
[05:40] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I just want Ubuntu to stop acting like a damn botnet and stop getting nameservers from the router.
[05:41] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's too old for any custom firmware it seems.
[05:41] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you are either typing it in wrong.. it WONT echo back.. (makes sence from a security point of view) or got a caps lock key on.. or doing some other typo.. Or  somehow got your password messwed up
[05:41] <apb1963_> so really I should have just winscp'ed to the server instead of ftp localhost to test if it worked  hunh?
[05:41] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: even if I hit numLk on or I type any letter
[05:41] <`ingsoc> I would remove network-manager but I need nmcli.
[05:42] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  try typing your password in when it says 'login;' to be SURE you are typing it correctly.. ;)
[05:42] <dr_willis> it will echo back then...
[05:42] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Too old? That's usually the opposite of what you'd find... It's the newer routers that aren't as well supported. I don't think you checked...
[05:42] <`ingsoc> rob_p: DSL-502T.
[05:42] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: dude... google is a website away.. ubuntu isn't acting as a botnet. if your router has nameservers, its gonna push it to all the clients.. thats how it works.. your options are to configure your router, dont use the router, or use a different router
[05:42] <`ingsoc> rob_p: Not supported. :(
[05:43] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I can't access my router. 10.1.1.1 just sits there and never loads.
[05:43] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: reset it and try again
[05:43] <dr_willis> 10.1.1.1  seems an odd router ip$
[05:43] <dr_willis> ip#
[05:43] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: and by reset I mean hold the reset button, not power cycle
[05:43] <wiggmpk> sounds like a D-Link or Belkin dr_willis
[05:43] <rob_p> `ingsoc: checking...
[05:44] <wiggmpk> or some junk the modem/router combo from the ISP (no offense)
[05:44] <apb1963_> nope.  I guess sshd isn't installed by default either then?
[05:44] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  theres no outside services installed by default...
[05:44] <apb1963_> oh
[05:44] <apb1963_> :)
[05:44] <dr_willis> apb1963_:   security 101 ;)
[05:45] <apb1963_> sshd is a security risk?
[05:45] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: login incorrect
[05:45] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: You mean like a factory reset?
[05:45] <dr_willis> any servies you dont need.. should NOT be installed by default.
[05:45] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: yes, but first I would be absolutely certain you have the right IP address, not just a local network segment
[05:45] <apb1963_> hmmm... installation is different from configuration and running
[05:45] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  either you are doing the password wrong.. or  its been changed..
[05:45] <apb1963_> but ok
[05:45] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: check your default route in "ifconfig"
[05:45] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Well, it asks for a login, so I think it's correct.
[05:45] <apb1963_> I will accept the ubuntu philosophy
[05:46] <apb1963_> so... apt-get sshd?
[05:46] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: and your certain the password is correct?
[05:46] <ahmedipa> dr_willis:  I am sure I type many time
[05:46] <dr_willis> You want ssh running by default on a install cd?
[05:46] <apb1963_> never thought about it before
[05:46] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Yes, because incorrect password comes up with a failed page.
[05:47] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: then I would go with the factory reset and try again
[05:47] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: if I have doubt user name but I can see user name from screen
[05:47] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  only way i know to easially fix your other issuse is if you can login at the console.. but for  all wee know the password may  be the original issue
[05:47] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: be patient afterwards, like 15minsish
[05:47] <apb1963_> I'm used to inetd.. and it just being available.
[05:47] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Looks like openwrt has some support for at least one version of that router, but I prefer DD-WRT and it's not in their database...
[05:47] <apb1963_> it's a question of habit moreso than anything else.
[05:47] <`ingsoc> rob_p: I'm scared of bricking it.
[05:47] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you  can try fixing your sustem from a live cd.  but thats a bit of a bother...
[05:48] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: password is easy for me but I don't know when I type password no character appear
[05:48] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: fortune favors the bold my friend
[05:48] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  because it DOSENT ECHO the characters.. Its designed NOT to.. you  dont want someone seeing your password when you type it.
[05:48] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: is there any other networking equipment between the combo router and the outside world?
[05:48] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: may be you are right because I use now guest user and may not full permission cause this
[05:49] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I don't blame you. Unless you are comfortable with spi interfaces, jtag, etc. and have the appropriate equipment, there are risks...
[05:49] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: There is a wireless router that I use to connect more cmputers to it.
[05:49] <`ingsoc> computers*
[05:49] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  so we dont know if its your password thats wrong.. or not. i thought the   X login screen says in red letters if you got your password wrong
[05:49] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I type password as like as terminal exactly
[05:49] <Rabblerouser> Is there an equivalent to Windows' "Stereo Mix"? I've found a shell script that allows me to stream video playing a game, but there's no sound. :(
[05:49] <histo> `ingsoc: please just specify dns servers in network manager and be done with it.
[05:49] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't use network-manager, but I need it for nmcli.
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc: if you use nmcli then you are using network manager
[05:50] <`ingsoc> histo: I thought that was the whole point of the dns-nameservers line?
[05:50] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I am sure about the password when I try to login in the screen told me login in again
[05:50] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: disconnect EVERYTHING except for your DSL router/combo and your computer
[05:50] <rob_p> `ingsoc: The root of your problem is that your router is handing out DNS addresses that you don't want to use. So fix your router!
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc:it was but you don't want the google ones below it for some insane reason.
[05:50] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  so on the Gui Login screen you enter your password.. do you see any red letters mentioning that its wrong?
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc: if you don't want those then you have to specify your own.
[05:50] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: I dunno how your wireless router is operating but double NATing isnt really best practice
[05:50] <ahmedipa> dr_willis:  when I try to make something wrong will show me it is wrong
[05:51]  * histo SCREAMS!!!!! in my own head.
[05:51] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: no I don't see
[05:51] <Daegalus> hmm, anyone know the best possible FS for cross-platform use between Windows, Linux, and OSX? Other than FAT32?
[05:51] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: because it is right
[05:51] <`ingsoc> I don't know what to do!
[05:51] <histo> !best | Daegalus
[05:51] <histo> !manual | `ingsoc
[05:51] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  then you should be able to login at the console also.. not get a invalid password  message..  Do you have a live cd you can boot from?
[05:52] <`ingsoc> histo: Thanks, histo. That's so useful.
[05:52] <ahmedipa> yes
[05:52] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes I have
[05:52] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Here's what to do:  --->  CONFIGURE YOUR ROUTER  <---
[05:52] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I will try to bring it
[05:52] <histo> `ingsoc: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[05:52] <`ingsoc> rob_p: You're right, but I'm trying to think what I need to do to get into the damn thing.
[05:52] <ahmedipa> right now
[05:53] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you can try to reset your problem users files. bu using the live cd. accessing their Home directory on the installed system and moveing  all the files in their   home/yourusername/*  files to some backup directory. this will reset all your users settings... then  reboot back to the installed system and see if they can login
[05:53] <histo> `ingsoc: here you go http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+12.04+custom+dns+nameserver&l=1
[05:53] <`ingsoc> histo: Finally, someone is exposing the botnet.
[05:53] <dr_willis> trollnet?
[05:53] <Daegalus> `ingsoc: that doesn't help me at all, I want to know what people have experienced from personal experience. FAt32 is the easiest, but the 4gb max is a nogo. NTFS is possible, but Linux write to is is pretty slow for torrents. exFat is ok, but LInux support isn''t that great. Ext4 is fine, but Windows drivers don't have extents and journaling support. So I wanted to see what others have found to be a good solution for them.
[05:53] <rob_p> `ingsoc: You probably need to reset the router to factory defaults and then reconfigure it...
[05:53] <`ingsoc> No, Ubuntu is a DNS botnet.
[05:54] <dr_willis> you are confused.
[05:54] <histo> `ingsoc: it's not a botnet you don't understand what we've been telling you all along that it now uses RESOLVCONF package but believe what you want. I'm done acknowledging you existence
[05:54] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Please stop embarrassing yourself and stop using the term, "botnet" until you have a clue what it means!
[05:55] <`ingsoc> I'm just being over-dramatic.
[05:55] <histo> and insane
[05:55] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I'm not trying to offend you, but it's really embarrassing every time you say that!
[05:55] <`ingsoc> But seriously, Ubuntu is changing, man.
[05:55] <dr_willis> Progress or die...
[05:55] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: and possibly irritating the people trying to help you
[05:55] <cfhowlett> ingsoc then you're not really inspiring anyone to redner anyhelp
[05:55] <`ingsoc> dr_willis: That's some Borg shit right there.
[05:56] <histo> !ops | `ingsoc language
[05:56] <dr_willis> marketing fundamentals
[05:56] <`ingsoc> Well, I wouldn't be in here in the first place if I didn't install Ubuntu.
[05:56]  * cfhowlett "possibly"?
[05:56] <`ingsoc> I wish I didn't, but I made a mistake.
[05:56]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:17:53)
[05:56] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: my best back up in my opinion external hard drive and one ubuntu
[05:56] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: how did things go mate?
[05:57] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I can understand being frustrated though.  Just take a deep breath and look at the situation logically. You'll get it figured out.
[05:57] <Rabblerouser> Oh.. I haven't restarted. >.> I guess I'm tempting fate, huh?
[05:57] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's cool. I came in here but then histo just started to nerd rage at me.
[05:57] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: lol, it'll be fun =P
[05:57] <Rabblerouser> Brb. Rebooting
[05:58] <blackshirt> hello
[05:58] <histo> hola blackshirt
[05:58] <blackshirt> i have a simple stupid question .. what the mean output ot $dpkg -l | wc -l
[05:58] <cfhowlett> blackshirt, greetings
[05:59] <apb1963_> success... now if I could only remember what I started out to do....
[05:59] <histo> blackshirt: it will count the amount of packages installed .  dpkg -l  lists them then the out put is piped to wc -l to count the lines
[05:59] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  wc -l = counts the lines
[05:59] <`ingsoc> What if I turn resolv.conf into a regular file?
[05:59] <rob_p> `ingsoc: anyway, once you get access to your router, you'll be squared away.  Just make sure it hands out the nameserver IPs that you want your network clients to use and you'll be set.  Good luck! :)
[05:59] <`ingsoc> Would that work?
[05:59] <dr_willis> i always set my routers to hand out google dns ips ;)
[06:00] <histo> apb1963_: you were talking about installing ssh server or something.
[06:00] <swjh> where does ubuntu store kernel .config file?
[06:00] <`ingsoc> I don't even remember setting it to the Google DNS.
[06:01] <rob_p> `ingsoc: You can spray air freshner on a dirty diaper and it might make things bearable for the moment, but it's not the right way to handle it!
[06:01] <`ingsoc> I guess Ubuntu has partnered with Google now like they did with Amazon.
[06:01] <`ingsoc> rob_p: That's a good point.
[06:01] <blackshirt> histo, dr_willis : thanks ... thats command resulted ... 1151 .. but when i add grep to that command $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l resulted with 954 ... what the difference
[06:01] <blackshirt> ?
[06:01] <histo> `ingsoc: Do you have a ubuntu related support question?
[06:01] <wiggmpk> correct me if im wrong, but arent DNS servers handed out by your ISP?
[06:02] <dr_willis> wiggmpk:  unless you  set them manually  on the router. or override them on you rnetwork manager settings
[06:02] <wiggmpk> dr_willis: k, thought so
[06:02] <`ingsoc> histo: I do have a Ubuntu support question. Why did Ubuntu sell out so hard after all of our support over the years?
[06:02] <cfhowlett> rob_p, best tech metaphor trophy awarded!
[06:02] <cfhowlett> !ot
[06:02] <swjh> where does ubuntu store kernel .config file?
[06:02] <rob_p> cfhowlett: :P
[06:02] <cfhowlett> ingsoc take it up with canonical please, not with the user support channel
[06:02] <dr_willis> swjh:  im not sure it does..  a check of askubuntu.com may show an answer also.
[06:02] <Rabblerouser> \o/ Things work!
[06:03] <Rabblerouser> Until I inevitably break it again.
[06:03] <blackshirt> histo, dr_willis : thanks ... thats command resulted ... 1151 .. but when i add grep to that command $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l resulted with 954 ... what the differences ?
[06:03] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  what are you trying to acomplish anyway?
[06:03] <swjh> dr_willis: is it possible to see if I have CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS?
[06:03] <dr_willis> you grepped out some lines.. ;)
[06:03] <swjh> *CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS module
[06:04] <dr_willis> swjh:  no idea.   i havent had to mess with the kernel in years
[06:04] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: all good then? =)
[06:04] <swjh> ok thank you
[06:04] <Rabblerouser> Yes, thanks for your help :)
[06:04] <histo> cfhowlett: his router is giving him google's dns not ubntu
[06:04] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: np
[06:04] <blackshirt> dr_willis: i'm still learning for this system ... but i want to know .. why this resulting different thing, if dpkg -l was meant for list installed packages
[06:05] <cfhowlett> histo, well aware of that, but thanks.
[06:05] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  so what is your grep filter supposed to be filtering out? where did you get it from?
[06:05] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  compare the 2 outputs with and without and see whats differnt
[06:05] <`ingsoc> So the first two lines in resolv.conf will be used before the others?
[06:06] <`ingsoc> Just to be sure.
[06:06] <`ingsoc> If I go down that route.
[06:06] <blackshirt> dr_willis: yes, i have do it ... without grep was result 1151 number .. and with grep was 954
[06:07] <blackshirt> dr_willis: i look at output of dpkg -l .. what is rc flags mean in the output ?
[06:07] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  compare the  actual output.. not just the counts...     your grep pattern is looking for lines that begin with II  which means somthing..
[06:07] <`ingsoc> I can't wait for this install to inevitably break, so I can go back to sid.
[06:07] <blackshirt> dr_willis: we know ii was for installed state
[06:07] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: do you see the line in /etc/resolv.conf that says dont edit, your changes will be overwritten?
[06:07] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  id have to refer you to the apt-get manuals and guides. I dont memorize them
[06:08] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I edited the head file.
[06:08] <Rabblerouser> AND... to boot, I just figured out how to stream both video and audio to Twitch.tv. :D I'm off to stream some Dwarf Fortress or somethin'
[06:09] <blackshirt> dr_willis: without grep ^ii there are some rc flag on the output of dpkg -l
[06:09] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: ok, even so, since your "gateway" to the internet is your combo modem/router.... how will your machine know where ANY of the DNS entries you put in there are on the internet?
[06:09] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: its going to use the DNS records on your local network segment, IE: the one's in your router combo
[06:09] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: So I should fix it there first and foremost?
[06:10] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: I think you should either call your ISP and see what their naming servers are
[06:10] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: The ones in my router don't show up when I visit dnsleaktest.com...
[06:12] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: well then you specifically made a change somewhere
[06:12] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: What do you mean?
[06:13] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: because thats not how networking equipment work..
[06:13] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I don't follow.
[06:13] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: My router is really bad btw.
[06:14] <blackshirt> dr_willis: , i should sure, $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l  should return number of packages currently installed .. is this right ?
[06:14] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: your ISP tells you what your DNS records are.. the DNS tells you where things are on the internet. if there is a contradiction of information, then I cant help you.. because your not providing all the information
[06:14] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Tbh, I don't know what DNS information is in my router.
[06:15] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  it will return the # of lines that begin with  the ltters 'ii' which aparently is not the only  output dpkg -l gives.. so look at dpkg -l output and see what lines DONT begin with ii     and see what they are telling you
[06:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: so why are you even here? just to waste peoples time?
[06:15] <dr_willis> im not on a ubuntu box so cant look at dpkg output
[06:16] <rockcket> hi
[06:16] <histo> `ingsoc: it's obvisouly googles dns servers or your isp is handing those to your router
[06:16] <xiaclo> blackshirt: answered on the debian channel, but will repeat here for others.  The 'rc' status in dpkg -l means you have installed the package, and removed it, but there is still configuration files on your system from that package
[06:16] <rockcket> excuse me
[06:16] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: No, I wanted to know how I can stop Ubuntu from filling resolv.conf with crap. I have Debian computer and it doesn't do that.
[06:16] <rockcket> where are file permissions data stored ? if i want to take backup of that ?
[06:16] <dr_willis>   ^ii i think is 'start of line then the letters i i'  :)
[06:16] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: wiggmpk: The ones in my router don't show up when I visit dnsleaktest.com...
[06:16] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: wiggmpk: Tbh, I don't know what DNS information is in my router.
[06:16] <wiggmpk> your wasting peoples time
[06:17] <dr_willis> rockcket:  they are not stored in a file.. they are part of the file
[06:17] <xiaclo> `ingsoc: the easiest way is to edit your resolv.conf the way you want, then run 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf'
[06:17] <histo> `ingsoc: you'd have to remove the resolvconf package is all
[06:17] <dr_willis> !permissions | rockcket
[06:17] <`ingsoc> xiaclo: That doesn't work.
[06:17] <histo> `ingsoc: sudo apt-get purge resolvconf
[06:17] <STMelon> seems nothing is working and nothing is helouing, maybe you should try google
[06:17] <rockcket> dr_willis: i backed up my files and folders from 11.04 now did a fresh installation of 12.04 - when i now copy files from the backup in USB to /var/www they do not retain their old permissions. their permissions have all become like 600
[06:17] <cfhowlett> ingsoc you edited the settings and now get EXACTLY the results you programmed in.  Reset to defaults or accept responsibility for your own results.  Or go to debian.
[06:17] <dr_willis> !info resolvconf
[06:17] <`ingsoc> histo: Then how will it get DNS information?
[06:17] <blackshirt> xiaclo: thanks
[06:17] <STMelon> helping*. quit wasting this rooms time thx
[06:18] <histo> rockcket: did you preserve their permissions?
[06:18] <dr_willis> rockcket:  how did you back them up? how did you  restore them?
[06:18] <histo> `ingsoc: you'd have to specify it yourself
[06:18] <histo> `ingsoc: like you do in debian
[06:18] <rockcket> i just copied all of them into my USB and now copied from USB to /var/www - dr_willis
[06:18] <rockcket> histo: what does that mean ?
[06:18] <dr_willis> rockcket:  copied HOW..... what command
[06:18] <histo> rockcket: how did you copy your files?
[06:18] <rockcket> ctrl+c - keyboard
[06:18] <`ingsoc> histo: So is there a difference between resolv.conf and the package?
[06:19] <dr_willis> rockcket:  and what filesystem was on the Usb?
[06:19] <rockcket> dr_willis: how can i know that ?
[06:19] <histo> `ingsoc: the package is what is auto populating the file
[06:19] <histo> `ingsoc: Which i've explained to you several times
[06:19] <dr_willis> rockcket:  you  should learn to use tar. and rsync,  and the cp options ... you did not copy the permissions or other info
[06:20] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't think you did.
[06:20] <dr_willis> rockcket:  see how its mounted.. they come preformated with fat32.. that wont save linux permissions
[06:20] <rockcket> dr_willis: ctrl+c does not copy permissions ? well you just said permissions are part of the file only
[06:20] <rockcket> does $ df -h help in knowing that?
[06:20] <dr_willis> rockcket:  and a USB flash drive formated to fat32  can not store that info
[06:20] <rockcket> so tell me whats the good way to do backups ?
[06:20] <histo> `ingsoc: you can scrollback and see or go to the log of this chatroom and search if you don't believe me
[06:20] <rockcket> just cp command ?
[06:21] <rockcket> or tar.gz and store that in USB ?
[06:21] <dr_willis> rockcket:  you  should learn to use tar. and rsync,  and the cp options .
[06:21] <rockcket> hm ok i dont know rsync
[06:21] <dr_willis> or format the flash to  be ext2/3/4
[06:21] <rockcket> will learn thanks
[06:21] <rockcket> how do i know file system of USB anyway ?
[06:21] <rockcket> ok how to do that ?
[06:21] <h4x0rz81> how canin i reset my root pw?
[06:21] <dr_willis> rockcket:  sudo  blkid may  show.. or fdisk -l
[06:21] <bazhang> h4x0rz81, you dont. use sudo
[06:22] <rockcket> hm ok thanks dr_willis
[06:22] <dr_willis> !mount | rockcket
[06:23] <h4x0rz81> i sei just came back to ubuntu and i guess i installed too fast
[06:23] <bazhang> !1984 | `ingsoc
[06:23] <histo> bazhang: lol at the trigger
[06:23] <h4x0rz81> could someone give me a command on how i might retrieve
[06:23] <bazhang> histo, how a propos here, right
[06:24] <bazhang> h4x0rz81, retrieve what
[06:24] <rockcket> fat32 it is
[06:24] <rockcket> thanks dr_willis
[06:24] <h4x0rz81> root pw
[06:25] <Gnea> !ppa
[06:25] <dr_willis> h4x0rz81:  there is no root password by default.
[06:25] <histo> rockcket: yeah a cp command won't preserve priveledges you'dhave to use rsync to do that.
[06:25] <h4x0rz81> ok hang on lol
[06:25] <rockcket> histo: i will learn about rsync someday :)
[06:25] <rockcket> these are not my things but hopefully will learn hehe
[06:25] <histo> rockcket: it's a beautifully powerfull app
[06:26] <rockcket> so, now i have 12.04. unity is fine except that when window is maximized the left bar of icons still apear, a little hard to work with. also close buttons goes to top most task bar (or status bar whatever you call it)
[06:26] <rockcket> lets see if i get used to it
[06:27] <xiaclo> rockcket: cp can copy permissions, use cp -a
[06:27] <dr_willis> rockcket:  the controls going to the top panel on mazanized windows.. is a feature...
[06:27] <dr_willis> rockcket:  the left side panel can be set to auto hide
[06:28] <rockcket> ok will use cp -a next time thanks xiaclo , did not know :)
[06:28] <rockcket> dr_willis: how ?
[06:28] <rockcket> well i think it would probably be better to have the left side panel at the bottom to be honest
[06:29] <dr_willis> rockcket:  i said it can auto  hide.. not be moved to the bottom
[06:29] <rockcket> and then auto hide/slide when not hovered for few seconds
[06:29] <rockcket> just saying
[06:29] <uplinx> ok guys, i accidentally made a decision that's gonna drive me deep down the rabbit hole
[06:30] <uplinx> i bought 2 nvidia video cards and have 4 monitors
[06:30] <uplinx> and i want them to play nice
[06:30] <uplinx> any advice?
[06:30] <dr_willis> uplinx:  if they work with the nvidia drivers properly they should work fine
[06:30] <dr_willis> plug them all in.. install nvidia drivers.. run twinview and see
[06:30] <dr_willis> well enable twinview. ;)
[06:31] <uplinx> dr_willis: that configuration puts me in the untenable position of using xinerama which disables compositing and has the framerate of my dead grandmother
[06:31] <rockcket> dr_willis: is this the way http://askubuntu.com/questions/9865/how-can-i-configure-unitys-launcher-auto-hide-behavior/31418#31418 ?
[06:31] <dr_willis> rockcket:  its just a check  box somewhre in the settings.  i dont recall where
[06:33] <edi> ciao
[06:33] <edi> !list
[06:34] <dr_willis> and this isent some italian isp that has commands on !list output either... ;)
[06:34] <dr_willis> or so someone mentioned the other day
[06:34] <dr_willis> bbl
[06:35] <rockcket> great thanks
[06:35] <hillary> is there libreoffice 4.0? how can i update my libreoffice 3.5 to that if any?
[06:36] <uplinx> any additional suggestions on avoiding xinerama, having compiz, and having 2 nvidia cards with 4 monitors?
[06:36] <hillary> sorry librebre 3 not 3.5
[06:36] <rommel092079> good day guys. I am going to build a server on ubuntu desktop with intel pentium dual core 2ghz processor, 4 gb memory and 500 gb hdd.  will mysql server have no problem with it on connectivity with more that 50 clients accessing it on any given time?
[06:37] <Gnea> rommel092079: mysql is dead
[06:37] <amiu> i hope its a 7200RPM hard drive
[06:37] <STMelon> hillary: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa for the latest STABLE libreoffice, it will install base which will install openjdk
[06:37] <rommel092079> Gnea: what do you mean mysql is dead?
[06:37] <amiu> MySQL is *not* dead.
[06:38] <hdon> hi all :) i am trying to diagnose something that happens when i'm running games. my screen stops updating for a while, mouse and keystrokes go to /dev/null, and my sound buffer doesn't get refilled so it just plays the same sample a few times
[06:38] <hdon> i have tried tail -f Xorg.0.log auth.log syslog kern.log messages user.log daemon.log
[06:38] <rommel092079> amiu yes it is 7200rpm
[06:38] <hdon> absolutely no clues
[06:38] <hdon> anywhere else i can look?
[06:38] <rommel092079> amiu: can I do that on ubutn desktop ?
[06:38] <Gnea> amiu: on the open source front, yes it is. MariaDB is the derivative.
[06:39] <rommel092079> Gnea: what do you mean mysql is dead?
[06:39] <amiu> yeah but i would recommend xfce over unity
[06:39] <hillary> STMelon, yes i have run the command and it is created. Next i do?
[06:39] <rommel092079> i need your suggestions guys please
[06:39] <xiaclo> Gnea: that's like saying debian is dead because ubuntu exists
[06:39] <amiu> MariaDB is far from over taking MySQL.  it has just won over a couple friends is all
[06:39] <STMelon> hillary: sudo apt-get update
[06:40] <STMelon> then either do the updates in the update manager or type: sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[06:40] <rommel092079> advice me guys
[06:40] <amiu> rommel092079,  i would also recommend debian over ubuntu-desktop for server applications
[06:40] <rommel092079> why debian?
[06:41] <Gnea> xiaclo: hardly
[06:41] <wdp> because in debian mysql is still alive
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[06:41] <Gnea> rommel092079: actually, ubuntu-server is probably more of what you'll need
[06:41] <Gnea> you can still use mysql, of course
[06:41] <hillary> STMelon,  ok it is updating . I will do "sudo apt-get install libreoffice'
[06:41] <dr_willis> uplinx:  if you want 4 monitors going at the same time you use Twinview. which  is nvidas enhanced xinerama
[06:41] <STMelon> hillary are you using gnome or unity for your DE?
[06:42] <hillary> unity
[06:42] <STMelon> if so, you may need to type sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome
[06:42] <dr_willis> uplinx:  i have compoziting when using twinview on 2 monitors...
[06:42] <rommel092079> Gnea: with my hardware specs and ubuntu-server, wont I be having problem with multiple connections around 100
[06:42] <Gnea> rommel092079: that sounds more like a network limitation
[06:42] <hillary> STMelon, ok i will do  sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome then
[06:42] <STMelon> hillary:  but wala! that should give you the latest stable libreoffice
[06:43] <amiu> rommel092079,  no you wont
[06:43] <STMelon> 3.6.2 , if i am corrct, is the latest stable Libreoffice
[06:43] <amiu> rommel092079,  youd also be better off with debian if your not familiar with ubuntu server
[06:43] <rommel092079> amiu: can you expound please  and Gnea: is the a network limitation in ubuntu?
[06:43] <hillary> STMelon, hillary@hillary-ESPRIMO-Mobile:~$  sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome
[06:43] <hillary> E: Invalid operation libreoffice-gnome
[06:44] <rommel092079> amiu: can I use debian desktop aside from debian server?
[06:44] <dr_willis> use a proper command. ;)
[06:44] <STMelon> hillary: suod apt-get install libreoffice-gnome
[06:44] <STMelon> hillary: my bad, sorry forgot "install"
[06:44] <STMelon> sudo*
[06:44] <Gnea> rommel092079: well the idea behind using a server distribution to run a server is just that: it doesn't need a gui.
[06:44] <amiu> .......you could yes. why are you so insistent on running a desktop configuration for a server?
[06:45] <hillary> STMelon, yes it is installing
[06:45] <Faminexv> for me the best way to manage the server is through ssh.  I never really have any type of display connected unless I can't ssh in
[06:45] <Nach0z> unless you happen to really REALLY like guis, at which point I *might* recommend something like openbox or lxde, that's super lightweight, and an NX server
[06:45] <Nach0z> Faminexv: that's the way to do it right thur.
[06:45] <rommel092079> im not really a user of linux. I am more aware of windows. but guys on windows adviced on to use linux for on windows xp has connectivity limit on multiple users.
[06:46] <rommel092079> im not really a user of linux. I am more aware of windows. but guys on windows adviced on to use linux for on amiu: windows xp has connectivity limit on multiple users.
[06:46] <amiu> id say xubuntu + xampp if your not ready for -nogui
[06:46] <Gnea> rommel092079: well windows xp is a desktop os, not a server os. xubuntu might be a good way to go to keep the bloat down on the gui.
[06:46] <rommel092079> xubuntu?
[06:46] <xiaclo> linux has it as well, but only for VERY high connections, 50-100 won't touch a linux box, desktop or not
[06:46] <Gnea> !xubuntu | rommel092079
[06:46] <Nach0z> mehhhh. xubuntu is kinda fugly
[06:46] <Faminexv> Nach0z: The only way I learned and am glad I did.  Makes managing so much easier
[06:47] <Nach0z> Faminexv: yeah. I started with GUI and just learned as much as I could about terminal while I still had an interface to fall back on when I messed up
[06:47] <amiu> xubuntu is the xfce version of ubuntu (lightweight, uses least amount of ram, cpu, looks like old appleOS)
[06:48] <Faminexv> Nach0z: Nice.  I just started getting back into linux, I set up a apache2 webserver (easiest thing ever) and am working on setting up an email server to manage my forums and server messages
[06:48] <dr_willis> !info lubuntu
[06:48] <dr_willis> !lubuntu
[06:48] <Nach0z> Faminexv: go with nginx >__>
[06:48] <Faminexv> lubuntu is nice if you want lightweight
[06:48] <rommel092079> amiu: will that suffice and dont have limitations on multiple users?
[06:48] <Nach0z> j/s
[06:48] <bazhang> amiu, that would be lubuntu these days. xubuntu is not much lighter
[06:48] <Nach0z> but yeah I gotta go to sleep, it's almost 2 AM and I gotta be up early.
[06:48] <Faminexv> Nach0z: alright man, take it easy
[06:49] <Faminexv> @lubuntu question: it's a pretty decent light weight lubuntu and it's easy to use and manage.
[06:49] <Faminexv> I reccomend that over xubuntu and kubuntu for sure
[06:49] <Faminexv> if i could spell today
[06:49] <amiu> lxde is fugly. xfce is nicer.
[06:50] <Faminexv> It's all personal at that point.  If that's the case just install xfce lol
[06:50] <Faminexv> which i like as well.
[06:50] <Faminexv> I enjoy most distro's of linux.  what makes linux awesome
[06:51] <Faminexv> ever since oracle virtual box lol, i run so many different types just to check them out and play with em'.
[06:51] <hdon> Faminexv, you got it backwards dude. what makes linux awesome is that you can hate a distro, and you don't have to leave your kernel
[06:51] <hdon> or the standard base of commands and such :)
[06:51] <amiu> Ubuntu Studio & debian are all any one ever needs.
[06:51] <Faminexv> hdon: touche
[06:52] <dydzEz2> man im so confused
[06:52] <dydzEz2> i reinstalled windows 8 in legacy and then tried installing ubuntu, but ubuntu didnt see the w8 partitions
[06:52] <Faminexv> anyone want to recommend a good email server?  I've read up on citadel and postfix and what not but i'm looking for other's or some good resources ;)
[06:52] <amiu> exchange server 2013
[06:52] <amiu> :P
[06:52] <Faminexv> rofl
[06:53] <Faminexv> I've used it
[06:53] <Faminexv> and what i was taught on
[06:53] <Faminexv> well 2003
[06:53] <amiu> 2003 is just like 2013 except older
[06:53] <Faminexv> but i'm working on a totally opensource network just to make it
[06:53] <bazhang> !ot | Faminexv
[06:56] <korealinux> hello
[06:56] <korealinux> hello
[06:57] <cfhowlett> korealinux, greetings
[07:00] <huttan> Faminexv: vmware zimbra
[07:01] <thufir_> how do I reload my terminal after editing .bash_profile
[07:02] <huttan> thufir_: source ~/.bash_profile
[07:02] <huttan> if thats the path for it
[07:02] <thufir_> huttan: thx
[07:03] <korealinux> 저
[07:03] <korealinux> 한국사람
[07:03] <korealinux> 잇나요
[07:03] <FloodBot1> korealinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:03] <bazhang> !ko | korealinux
[07:03] <korealinux> thank ser
[07:03] <cfhowlett> !ko|korealinux,
[07:06] <anonymousraptr> do i need to remove my current libreoffice before installing 4?
[07:07] <simpleirc1> anon, no
[07:07] <bazhang> anonymousraptr, install from where? what does that guide say?
[07:08] <korea> korea
[07:08] <OerHeks> anonymousraptr, yes, if you can't wait and want to intall from the site >> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html
[07:09] <bazhang> korea, yes, /join #ubuntu-ko as we told you twice before
[07:09] <korea> my teacher where did it
[07:09] <anonymousraptr> do you guys think its best to wait for repository? i can wait
[07:09] <korea> please be my mentoe
[07:09] <bazhang> PPA are not supported nor recommended anonymousraptr
[07:10] <bazhang> korea, then ask an Ubuntu support question
[07:10] <OerHeks> anonymousraptr, i would wait, LO 4 will be in raring
[07:10] <STMelon> 4 has new features along with new bugs as it is RC atm and not stable, I would wait
[07:11] <cfhowlett> korea, be your mentor?  no.  there are mentors in korea.
[07:12] <peeps[lappy]> what do i need to do to get java applets to work in chromium?  i have sun-java6-plugin  installed, but it won't run applets.  it says "Iced Tea was blocked because it was out of date"  I don't want to run icedtea, i want the official java plugin
[07:12] <peeps[lappy]> and icedtea isn't even installed
[07:12] <raptr> oerheks: i saw the press release for lo4 and was interested (and disturbed about people complaining about already) and thought about installing it.
[07:12] <korea> i`m wrong i`m an english
[07:13] <arunkumar413> i guys i have a css file and i want to categorize the code according to the class and elements. Is there an application for that
[07:13] <korea> translation chat while it`s hard
[07:13] <amiu> id try in #web or #css arunkumar413
[07:13] <arunkumar413> join #css
[07:13] <mIKEjONES> ok
[07:14] <korea> who know how to use korean member
[07:14] <cfhowlett> korea, we don't mentor.  we answer specific and detailed questions about ubuntu ...
[07:15] <korea> i`m sorry,i`m up now haget
[07:16] <chaz68> !java7
[07:16] <spyzer> hey everyone, i am being affected by this bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pvr-omap4/+bug/1102045
[07:17] <spyzer> May anyone please help me as in if there is some way for me to just proceed ahead
[07:17] <spyzer> i mean can i use ubuntu 12.04 and things can start working?
[07:17] <cfhowlett> korea, look in loco.ubuntu.com for help in korea
[07:17] <aeon-ltd> spyzer: that didn't make much sense
[07:18] <cfhowlett> spyzer, fixing a bug is beyond our powers ...
[07:18] <raptr> korea: 사용 사용하지 마십시오  #ubuntu , 대신 사용합니다  #ubuntu-ko
[07:19] <spyzer> aeon-ltd, cfhowlett sorry i didn't meant bug fixing
[07:19] <spyzer> what i essentially want to ask is if i revert to some other version of ubuntu instead of the latest can this bug be resolved for me?
[07:19] <chaz68> Was trying Java 7 download via webup8team repository and getting this error:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1623556/
[07:19] <chaz68> What's up here?
[07:19] <spyzer> because it was not present in those versions
[07:19] <cfhowlett> spyzer, possibly ...
[07:20] <cfhowlett> spyzer, that said this is on raring?  not even in beta yet!  ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:22] <OerHeks> chaz68, ask the owner of that PPA, as ppa's are not supported here.
[07:22] <chaz68> Any ubuntu supported way to install Java7 without PPA?
[07:23] <arunkumar413> does gedit has a code folder
[07:23] <Senjai> arunkumar413: is this a serious question
[07:24] <STMelon> chaz68: try this .. add this to your source list . update manager/settings/other software/add ------> deb http://www.duinsoft.nl/pkg debs all
[07:24] <STMelon> chaz68: then type in terminal: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 5CB26B26
[07:25] <STMelon> then in terminal sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <STMelon> and sudo apt-get install update-sun-jre
[07:25] <STMelon> oracle java 7
[07:25] <jnhghy> Hi, is there a way to make php/python access(read and write) to a file in /etc/cron.monthly ?
[07:26] <STMelon> chaz68: http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en website i got the info from for oracle java in ubuntu
[07:26] <Senjai> jnhghy: is there a way to make php/python read and write to a file?
[07:27] <MatthewL> yes, jnhghy, there is
[07:27] <Senjai> MatthewL: nuuu, I was about to have him discover his own asnwer
[07:27] <Senjai> jnhghy: yes, there is, but that question is for ##php or the python equivilant
[07:27] <chaz68> STMelon:  Thanx a bunch... trying it now...
[07:28] <jnhghy> MatthewL: thanks for the your reply, any sugestions?
[07:28] <MatthewL> jnhghy: brb
[07:28] <STMelon> mind you java is very vulnerable these days
[07:28] <STMelon> I do not even have it installed
[07:28] <chaz68> I know.  Will run only on desktop and disable in  browser.
[07:29] <jnhghy> Senjai: I know how to read and right in a file, the issue is the OS because php/python doesn't have permission to write in /etc/cron.monthly, it's not sudo
[07:29] <Senjai> jnhghy: then maybe you should change the permissions of /etc/cron.monthly hmm?
[07:29] <STMelon> ok , this is another site i got it from, i scrolled down to the script version which gave me the site i posted above
[07:29] <STMelon> chaz68: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[07:29] <amos1> ausnet
[07:30] <STMelon> If your system has more than one version of Java, configure which one your system uses by entering the following command in a terminal window
[07:30] <STMelon> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[07:30] <STMelon> ^^
[07:30] <jnhghy> Senjai: I sense some sarcasm? :), have you watched to much Dr.House or you just don't like helping? :)
[07:30] <MatthewL> jnhghy: http://php.net/manual/en/function.file.php
[07:30] <jnhghy> Thanks MatthewL
[07:30] <Senjai> jnhghy: I like helping, but Im not going to tell you the answer, I'd rather help you work through it.
[07:30] <chaz68> Looks like the webupd8team's suppository crapped the bed pretty hard...
[07:30] <chaz68> :-)
[07:30] <Senjai> jnhghy: we are not a repository of : do this and get this
[07:31] <RollinV2> man chown, man chmod
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: we help you learn, whether or not you're willing to is your problem
[07:31] <jnhghy> Senjai: "then maybe you should change the permissions of /etc/cron.monthly hmm?" this is you not giving me the answer and helping me work throw it?
[07:31] <MatthewL> jnhghy: btw, I just referred you to php documentation.
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: I just did
[07:31] <jnhghy> MatthewL I saw
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: Now go find out how to change the read write permissions on a file
[07:31] <MatthewL> google is our friend
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: I brought you from can php do x, to how do i change the permissions on a file so php can do x
[07:32] <RollinV2> manpages
[07:32] <crazybrain> I am using an broadband connection which offers unlimited downloading during offnet hours(02:00AM to 08:00am).But i had to give up my sleep in order to download something..
[07:32] <crazybrain> Is there any tool which can automatically connect to the router and start downloading at 2am to 8am?
[07:32] <jnhghy> Senjai: It is a good idea the permission, didn't know it comes without risk but this is it for know.
[07:32] <crazybrain> I am using Ubuntu 12.10
[07:32] <RollinV2> crazybrain, on windows there is jdownloader. i think it has a linux version
[07:32] <MatthewL> file processing in Linux is a whole diff animal.  Kind of required jnhghy
[07:32] <Senjai> jnhghy: it doesnt, you're opening up access to php, if you run a malicious php script to input malicious script into your cron files, your cron can run malicious tasks
[07:33] <chaz68> STMelon:  This www.duinsoft.nl deal seems to be working fine.  Thanks for the alternative download / install...
[07:33] <STMelon> np
[07:33] <jnhghy> Thanks for the help MatthewL, Senjai;
[07:34] <crazybrain> RollinV2: i want something that can connect to the router at 2am and automatically start downloading
[07:34] <crazybrain> I am using PPoE
[07:34] <maxb> Giving anyone other than root access to write to /etc/cron.* is effectively giving them the ability to run arbitrary commands as root, i.e. distinctly unwise
[07:34] <s3r3n1t7> jnhghy, if you want to echo stuff into a write protected file: write it to a temp file, verify it, verify it again, and again, then move it with a script that you set to write protected (so that script cant be edited) .... but just writing from php to such a file is way to dangerous
[07:35] <jnhghy> s3r3n1t7: thanks for the heads up
[07:36] <RollinV2> crazybrain, you could write a python/ruby script to wget or curl the downloads. then set it to fire with a cron job at 2am
[07:36] <RollinV2> crazybrain, but i cant think of any other apps aside from jdownloader. maybe someone else will know.
[07:36] <chaz68> Anybody running an ajaxplorer server here?
[07:37] <s3r3n1t7> crazybrain, use the at command
[07:37] <chaz68> Figured out Pear and all the setups for all the plugins with  the exception of access.S3 plugin.
[07:37] <crazybrain> at command???
[07:38] <s3r3n1t7> the command: at
[07:38] <crazybrain> at what?
[07:38] <crazybrain> btw i am using ZTE 531B router
[07:38] <roger_> type in terminal, "man at"
[07:39] <Senjai> s3r3n1t7: jnhghy: you're right, but as long as this is just for learning it shouldnt be too vulnreble. You could also configure cron to only execute certain files.
[07:39] <chaz68> Trying to configure access.S3 plugin here:  http://ajaxplorer.info/plugins/access/s3/
[07:39] <chaz68> Anyone conquer that one yet?
[07:39] <s3r3n1t7> Senjai, even for learning you should always use a best practice, else later when it's a real world situation you'd still make the same mistakes :-)
[07:40] <crazybrain> roger_: what it will do?
[07:40] <Senjai> s3r3n1t7: you're right.
[07:40] <s3r3n1t7> When im doing apt-get update, the downloads go real quick. However, the Reading package lists step is slower than a bull without legs stuck in glue. Is there a fix around anyone would like to share? :)
[07:40] <ns5> how to query the changelog of a package?
[07:40] <jnhghy> Senjai: this is not only for learning, that's why I come to this place to get correct answers or to get myself redirected to correct answers so if there is anything else I should know please don't keep it from me. :)
[07:41] <roger_> crazy: "man at" will tell you about the at command
[07:41] <helmut_> hi
[07:42] <RollinV2> learn your man pages. open terminal, "man nameofcommandthatconfusesyou"
[07:42] <cfhowlett> helmut_, greetings
[07:42] <Senjai> crazybrain: Please let me refer you to tldp
[07:42] <Senjai> !tell crazybrain about tldp
[07:50] <hillary_> I dont know what i have done to my desktop 12.04. The screen is upside down and left facing. any one to help me restore?
[07:50] <sqrt7744> hillary_, were you playing with xrandr
[07:51] <Nexus7-Ubuntu> yo
[07:52] <hillary_> sqrt7744,  I even not aware what i did !!
[07:53] <sqrt7744> hillary_, oh. Well if you can turn your head sideways for long enough to open the "Displays" program, you can set the rotation there.
[07:55] <hillary_> sqrt7744,  i dont understand ??
[07:56] <aeon-ltd> hillary_: use the monitor as it is, then change the settings
[07:56] <roger_> I have some questions that are basically just out of curiosity. Is there a noticeable hit to performance of win apps under wine?
[07:57] <hillary_> aeon-ltd,  ok let me try
[07:59] <s3r3n1t7> roger_, it's always somewhat slower due to more steps for the same result
[07:59] <roger_> s3r3n1t7: so dual boot is still the best route...?
[08:00] <s3r3n1t7> roger_, pure performance wise ont he same application? yeah
[08:00] <amiu> your better off running windows in a linux virtual machine
[08:00] <amiu> use virtualbox or kvm to run windows
[08:00] <s3r3n1t7> amiu, even then there still is that performance hit due
[08:01] <aeon-ltd> if you have the dvd/iso, just dual boot. unless security or convenience is really necessary
[08:01] <roger_> cool cool..  another question
[08:01] <amiu> then youll have to restart the computer every time you want to switch between a linux app and a windows app
[08:02] <aeon-ltd> amiu: the performance gains are worth it, unless you're running i5/7 with 8gb+ ram and a decent gpu + maybe a ssd
[08:03] <nodaut> Would this be the right place to ask about sql injection?
[08:03] <Nickvcqezname> hi how can I enable quicklist with Nemo file manager on UButuntu 12.04/UNITy
[08:03] <amiu> nope
[08:03] <nodaut> Alright. Thanks
[08:03] <roger_> I played around with a mac a few months back and did some terminal like stuff with it.. I'm assuming linux/unix type of terminal..  Does that mean all the Mac OS's are basically like distro's of linux?
[08:03] <amiu> #mysql or #backtrack or one of the other info sec rooms
[08:03] <nodaut> #mysql
[08:03] <nodaut> okie dokie
[08:03] <aeon-ltd> roger_: no, but they are unix based
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> different kernels
[08:04] <roger_> aeon-ltd: ok..  so unix distro's?
[08:04] <amiu> posix yes, linux no. closer relation to bsd
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> roger_: porting is easy but not perfect (for cli based apps anyway)
[08:05] <circle> how will I know if I need to install some dependencay with winetricks?
[08:05] <aeon-ltd> circle: usually apt pulls them in
[08:05] <dr_willis> the wine app database normally tells circle
[08:05] <dr_willis> !appdb
[08:06] <circle> see, I have the entry for Fl Studio here
[08:06] <circle> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23334
[08:06] <circle> Where's the entry on what I need to install?
[08:06] <amiu> sudo apt-get build-dep winetricks
[08:06] <dr_willis> build-dep? did  i miss somthing?
[08:07] <Senjai> !tell me about tldp
[08:07] <dr_willis> Senjai:  you mean tldp.org ?
[08:07] <Senjai> dr_willis: I know that site, I just wanted to see what ubottu's entry was
[08:07] <dr_willis> ;)
[08:08] <tripelb> I need help with partitions. fdisk sees them but gparted does not and parted gives me a weird raspberry, " can't have partition outside of drive. Looking over the numbers for start and end of partitions I see no problem. Can you assist me Earthling?
[08:08]  * STMelon chuckles @ Earthling
[08:08] <STMelon> I've always thought aliens had bigger brains than us earthlings
[08:08]  * tripelb injects humor into weeklong situation.
[08:13] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:13] <dr_willis> moo
[08:13] <cristian_c> I run the suspension, but when I resume, things are not much working, for example chromium
[08:13] <cristian_c> I can't open it, and if I launch it from terminal, I get: pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/resource: File or directory not found
[08:13] <cristian_c> I've found that 00:02.1 is the video out, but nothing else :(
[08:14] <cristian_c> How can I solve it?
[08:14] <dr_willis> hibernate  and suspend can be very flakey
[08:14] <dr_willis> video drivers and wireless drivers can often crash and not come back awake
[08:14] <amiu> ^^
[08:16] <cristian_c> dr_willis, it does not happen sometimes, but always
[08:17] <morph3k> anyone up?
[08:17] <amiu> sure
[08:17] <morph3k> u know much about aptitude on a ubuntu 12.04 server
[08:17] <morph3k> using only CLI
[08:18] <dr_willis> theres many docs and guuides on using the package manager system  via the cli....
[08:18] <dr_willis> !apt
[08:18] <morph3k> yea i am reading this one...
[08:18] <cristian_c> dr_willis, any ideas?
[08:18] <melty> lol
[08:18] <morph3k> http://ss64.com/bash/aptitude.html
[08:18] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! i tryed to configure my xubuntu desktop as wireless ap for my phone, but i'm unable to connect. howto configure? is possible trough panel?
[08:18] <dr_willis> cristian_c:   dont use suspend? ;) try closeing the browser befor you suepend..
[08:19] <dr_willis> !ics | MoL0ToV
[08:19] <dr_willis> MoL0ToV:  i recall some smart phones cant do ad-hoc type networking also..
[08:21] <morph3k> im working on editing aptitude-defaults right now
[08:25] <ado_ro> !botsnack
[08:26] <savagecroc> echo content | sudo tee /some/file
[08:26] <savagecroc> how can i change that so content can contain anything
[08:26] <savagecroc> any character any sequence etc
[08:27] <bekks> savagecroc: What exactly are you trying to do? Which file do you want to change?
[08:27] <amiu> any one ever come across an .ecm file and got it working?
[08:27] <dr_willis> echo has some binary echo option i recall. or use a language like perl or pythn to print the string..   but it sounds weird to me sav
[08:27] <bekks> amiu: Most likely, file extensions have no meaning.
[08:28] <bolvary> Hi, I had a problem when installing updates on my lubuntu 12.10. At the moment I cannot boot. When repairing broken packages, they cannot be downloaded? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[08:28] <bekks> amiu: Which programm did create that file?
[08:28] <amiu> wel i need some one who knows how to handle .ecm files
[08:28] <dr_willis> if you cant boot.. how are you repairing files bolvary ?
[08:28] <nicck_> hi
[08:29] <woo> hi nicck_
[08:30] <savagecroc> bekks: i'm trying to dump a 10000 character file
[08:30] <bolvary> dr_willis: when i have the option to choose recovery mode, but normally just gives me the 'laptop login' screen.
[08:30] <savagecroc> bekks: through an ssh channel
[08:30] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  the bash command line has a character limit.. i doubt if that will work
[08:30] <savagecroc> dr_willis: i'm not sure if it's using bash
[08:31] <woo> what bash?
[08:31] <savagecroc> woo: ssh channel not a bash
[08:32] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  i think we need more details  as to what you are doing..  bash is the default shwll on ubuntu for users.. sh for system stuff
[08:32] <lxrt> i am getting this error when i tried to mount my external hard drive "mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device"
[08:32] <dr_willis> lxrt:  fd0 is a floppy drive
[08:32] <lxrt> dr_willis: not it 500G external hard drive
[08:33] <savagecroc> dr_willis: i'm using a programming library called Net::SSH in ruby 1.9.3 to connect to an ubuntu 10.04 server.  I have a configuration file in memory and i'm trying to dump it on the server via using a command
[08:33] <dr_willis> lxrt:  i doubt if its on /dev/fd0 then
[08:33] <dr_willis> lxrt:  see what  'sudo blkid' says about it
[08:33] <savagecroc> now.. i could dump it locally, and then use an scp command to copy it up.. but hmmm
[08:33] <woo> ssh'd into /bin/??
[08:34] <dr_willis> ruby is supposed to have features taht can do stuff like that savagecroc  i belve.. i only have touched ruby slightly
[08:34] <woo> ruby is a web protocol
[08:34] <lxrt> dr_willis: this is the output of blkid /dev/sda1: UUID="09f0c58f-f18f-4a29-a852-31dd93392f14" TYPE="ext4"
[08:34] <savagecroc> woo: no it's not, it's a scripting language
[08:34] <dr_willis> im pretty sure ruby can do  network communications.
[08:35] <woo> oh the way I understood it was that its just easy access points
[08:35] <savagecroc> dr_willis: yeah the Net:SSH has various functions.. nothing about dumping files from strings in memory to local then
[08:35] <dr_willis> lxrt:  so your system is seeing a single partion  on sda1 .  no fd0
[08:35] <savagecroc> woo: yeah.. it started of as a scripting language .. and then they built web stuff on top of it.. it's been around since 95
[08:35] <woo> scripts used to make things easier to remember
[08:35] <lxrt> dr_willis: it seeing the hard drive too... it show up there but cant mount it
[08:36] <savagecroc> woo: haha, yeah i use scripts to basically document linux commands
[08:36] <dr_willis> lxrt:  shows up where? your output showed exxatly one hard drive seen on the system...  what does 'sudo fdisk -l' say? does it show more then just sda1 ?
[08:36] <savagecroc> e.g.. def start;  sudo "service postgresql start"; end
[08:36] <woo> and drive like proxy's?
[08:37] <woo> driven*
[08:37] <woo> Im having a real hard time adding a group to admin
[08:38] <jennie> I installed 'keyboard and mouse' and 'mouse and touchpad'  from ubuntu software center but I am unable to locate / open them , please tell how do I open them ?
[08:39] <dr_willis> jennie:  a batter question is why did you ionmstall them?
[08:40] <lxrt> itdr_willis: fdisk -l shows only sda partition but iin the GUI device section show floppy disk, but actualy is a 500G external hard drive
[08:40] <woo> jennie: I would just check the history in the ubuntu software center and look for the command.  may be
[08:40] <jennie> I want to accelerate mouse motion , mouse is too slow and default option in ubuntu are not making it fast
[08:40] <dr_willis> lxrt:  i think you are confused.. its showing a floppy disk. because you have a Floppy controller on the pc.. thats NOT saying its a external hard drive.
[08:40] <dr_willis> lxrt:  fdisk and blkid both show that only one hard drive is being seen
[08:42] <dr_willis> lxrt:  normally when you plug in a usb hard drive.. it auto mounts and pops up a dialog/file manager window to show its contents
[08:42] <woo> lxrt: are you scripting this into a program or could you use a gui?
[08:43] <lxrt> dr_willis: what is i am using ubuntu on VMware work station
[08:43] <lxrt> woo: i could use GUI
[08:43] <woo> lxrt: have you tired gparted?
[08:43] <dr_willis> lxrt:  so check its settings.. sounds like you have a floppy controller enabled on it.. or somthing.. in any case  a hard drive woul dbe a sd #  not a fd #
[08:45] <woo> dr_willis: I cant get pdisk or fdisk from my repos anymore
[08:45] <dr_willis> !info fdisk
[08:45] <dr_willis> fdisk is getting outdated
[08:45] <dr_willis> !find fdisk
[08:45] <dr_willis> !info gnu-fdisk
[08:45] <bekks> And is going to be replaced by...
[08:45] <bekks> ?
[08:46] <dr_willis> parted i belive is whats reccomdnede
[08:46] <dr_willis> liiks like its allready been replaced by gnu-fdisk
[08:46] <woo> !info pdisk
[08:46] <bekks> !info sfdisk
[08:47] <bekks> -.-
[08:48] <savagecroc> is it possible to scp a file and create the directory path if it doesn't exist?
[08:48] <savagecroc> mkdir -p?
[08:49] <woo> vbox's are nutz
[08:50] <bekks> woo: Then dont use vbox.
[08:51] <lxrt> dr_willis: this how it shows on the VM http://postimage.org/image/j6t5540ej/
[08:51] <hillary_> STMelon,  the   sudo apt-get install libreoffice-gnome has finished successfully.
[08:52] <dr_willis> lxrt:  so? It thinks you have a flopppy fd0. - theres no indication it sees any HARD DRIVE.
[08:52] <dr_willis> a hard drive would not be fd0
[08:53] <dr_willis> so ive said the same thing  4 times now.. its not seeing your hard drive,..
[08:53] <dr_willis> either check your configuration  if its in vbox.. or chek the hd in a real machine to prove its working
[08:54] <woo> lxrt: it might be a group permission thing
[08:54] <woo> for vmware to the actual hardware
[08:55] <dr_willis> iid have to say check the vmware docs for how to set it to access a real physical usb device
[08:56] <woo> I had a vbox that wouldn't use my usb bus's so I had to modify groups.  I would doubt it is an ubuntu issue. but there is always doubt of doubt
[08:57] <bekks> woo: It is an Ubuntu issue. You have to be in the vboxusers group in order to use USB support, as well as you have to have the ´vbox extension pack installed, as documented in the vbox documentation.
[08:57] <lxrt> dr_willis: so it could be VMware issue, will check on their channel
[08:58] <woo> bekks: ya so I didnt read that I just started modding away.  may be thats why all my box's die over time :p
[08:58] <dr_willis> no one ever bothers to read docs...
[08:58] <woo> think of a stupid way to mess up an os
[08:58] <woo> ok I probly did that
[08:59] <bekks> woo: Yes, that the reason.
[08:59] <woo> like "#rm -fr /" thinking I was ssh'd
[08:59] <woo> i wasen't
[08:59] <woo> it was cool
[08:59] <bekks> woo: Thats pretty stupid, honestly.
[09:00] <woo> the motto is 'Have lots of fun'
[09:00] <MoL0ToV> dr_willis, Open Settings->Network->Wireless and create a new Ad Hoc network. To use a common denominator for all devices choose WEP for security and create a 5 letters password from 0..9A..F. Note that this a least secure encryption standard.
[09:00] <MoL0ToV> i can use also wpa2 encryption?
[09:00] <dr_willis> no idea.. i dont use that stuff ;)
[09:01] <MoL0ToV> dr_willis,  the howto don't work..
[09:01] <MoL0ToV> i cannot scan the network
[09:01] <MoL0ToV> i don't see
[09:02] <woo> MoL0ToV: youtube?
[09:03] <woo> MoL0ToV: I mean are you streaming from internet to pc to pc?
[09:04] <woo> MoL0ToV: using one pc to proxy internet or are you trying to transfer a picture?
[09:04] <MoL0ToV> woo: i want to share pc network connection configuring a wifi dongle as access point, and connectiong to this dongle with my pandroid phone and so
[09:05] <circle> How do I stop programs in Wine from accessing the Internet?
[09:05] <iceroot> !ics | MoL0ToV
[09:05] <iceroot> circle: firewall
[09:05] <iceroot> !ufw | circle
[09:05] <circle> hmmk, thanks
[09:06] <ejv> yes, that means you have to read and study :)
[09:06] <MoL0ToV> iceroot, i follower gui method, and don't work..
[09:07] <elfranne> i am doing so developing to parse some website but the amount of data and their servers are quite slow, is there a way to do some sort of forced proxy to cache the content ?
[09:08] <cfhowlett> elfranne, sounds like maybe an #ubuntu-server question
[09:08] <ejv> or #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:09] <circle> iceroot: but will ufw allow me to brock the wine program or just ports and IPs?
[09:09] <iceroot> circle: ports and ips
[09:10] <circle> so I can't really block wine
[09:10] <iceroot> !work | MoL0ToV
[09:10] <iceroot> circle: i dont know a method to block a program (and its not wine itself because wine is forking programs so that the program is called word.exe or something like that"
[09:11] <nerosagi> hello
[09:11] <bekks> circle: There is no way to block a program named xyz.
[09:11] <cfhowlett> nerosagi, greetings
[09:11] <woo> hi nerosagi lawl girl talk?
[09:12] <vincenzoml> Hi there. I installed kde and now my skype and chrome have lost their gnom-ish look (especially icons)
[09:12] <circle> bekks: so how would you doi t?
[09:12] <vincenzoml> how do I restore it without uninstalling kde?
[09:12] <MoL0ToV> ubottu, i configured by: GUI Method via Network Manager (Ubuntu 12.04)
[09:12] <MoL0ToV> Open Settings->Network->Wireless and create a new Ad Hoc network. To use a common denominator for all devices choose WEP for security and create a 5 letters password from 0..9A..F. Note that this a least secure encryption standard.
[09:13] <bekks> circle: I would block ports and IPs.
[09:13] <woo> nerosagi: !wep | MoL0ToV
[09:13] <nerosagi> what is lawl girl talk?
[09:13] <MoL0ToV> the wireless dongle seem activate as AP but on android phone i cannot fine any network if i do a wireless scan
[09:13] <woo> oops
[09:13] <woo> !wep | MoL0ToV
[09:13] <bekks> circle: Or I would configure a faked proxy in wine, so the programs running in wine will never reach the internet successfully.
[09:14] <MoL0ToV> also as wpa2-aes don't work
[09:14] <ejv> WINE (gross oversimplification) translates Win API calls into POSIX; the services/programs that you're passing thru WINE will send and receive packets of data based on $STRUCTURE; determine the structure and you can perform (unadvisable) brute-force (/dev/null) TCP/UDP level filtering.
[09:14] <woo> just "girl talk" check him out
[09:14] <MoL0ToV> and also without encryption
[09:15] <MoL0ToV> i go to work, thanks!
[09:15] <woo> MoL0ToV: did you try none to see if it would work?
[09:15] <MoL0ToV> i don't know what to try
[09:16] <woo> MoL0ToV: just try none security
[09:16] <MoL0ToV> i think trhat the best is place a dd-wrt router
[09:16] <MoL0ToV> what work without problems
[09:17] <woo> MoL0ToV: if wep is as good a none.  why not right?
[09:18] <woo> bye
[09:24] <abruzzo>  /EXEC rm -vf /home/carlo/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_30281.query
[09:26] <dashang> hi
[09:27] <vincenzoml> does anyone know how to change the theme used by qt apps in pangolin? It was changed when I installed kde.
[09:27] <dashang> ubuntu logout frequently
[09:28] <dashang> ubuntu logout frequently
[09:28] <dashang> ubuntu logout frequently
[09:28] <FloodBot1> dashang: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:28] <dashang> any one know the problem
[09:28] <dashang> ubuntu logout automatically
[09:29] <kepler> after idle, or mid-use?
[09:29] <dashang> mid-use
[09:29] <dashang> i think Xorg crash
[09:29] <kepler> oh, that is a little different
[09:30] <kingbeast> dashang, is it when the screensaver comes on?
[09:30] <dashang> i dont know my all process is killed and show me login portal again
[09:30] <abruzzo> ciao a tutti
[09:31] <dashang> no  its suddenly   logoff
[09:31] <nomike> hi
[09:31] <cfhowlett> nomike, greetings
[09:32] <cfhowlett> !it | abruzzo,
[09:32] <nomike> I want to add some search-domains to my computer. I tried adding them using the network preferences in the system preferences --> IPv4 Settings --> Additional Search domains. But they don't show up in /etc/resolve.conf nor do they work.
[09:32] <nomike> s/resolve\./resolv\./
[09:33] <nomike> Somwhere on the net I read that I should put them to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf but this doesn't work either...
[09:33] <cfhowlett> nomike, might want to send this query to #ubuntu-server
[09:34] <ThinkT510> !resolvconf | nomike
[09:35] <chakkimatti> hey all
[09:36] <chakkimatti> I''ve ran into a snag with my Kubuntu
[09:37] <prassel> chakkimatti: i think kubuntu has it's own channel #kubuntu
[09:37] <chakkimatti> prassel: okay, thanks..
[09:37] <prassel> np
[09:37] <nomike> ThinkT510, thanks. But from this a few questions arise:
[09:38] <nomike> If I put some search domains in the network properties in system preferences and they don't show up in "/etc/resolv.conf" this is a bug, right?
[09:39] <iceroot> nomike: no
[09:40] <iceroot> nomike: Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[09:40] <iceroot> nomike: it will be handled directly from network-manager and the internal dns-server
[09:41] <nomike> ah..ok..so If I add a search domain there, it is used by dnsmasq running on localhsot
[09:41] <iceroot> nomike: should be, yes
[09:43] <kepler> i just disabled dnsmasq - comment out 'dns=dnsmasq' in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[09:43] <kepler> then sudo service network-manager restart
[09:48] <nomike> there is no dns server running on localhost. Do I need to somehow enable dnsmasq? As I read, it should be default since 12.04, and I'm using 12.10
[09:48] <dr_willis> dmsmaq is on  12.10 by default yes
[09:49] <dr_willis> its not a full dns server i thought, but more of a dns smart cache
[09:53] <TomyLaptop> hi
[09:53] <TomyLaptop> how can i make it so i don't need to enter a password to update packages? (entering one to install/remove is ok)
[09:53] <ayzaaz17> hi
[09:54] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: update is an installation
[09:54] <ayzaaz17> how can i connect to the irc using pidgin
[09:54] <TomyLaptop> that's debatable and not to the point
[09:55] <TomyLaptop> ayzaaz17, i wouldnt know. what's wrong with using xchat or something? :)
[09:55] <bekks> TomyLaptop: Thats not debatable, because technically, an update is an installation.
[09:56] <ayzaaz17> i im not using ubuntu. i decide to download and try it. im now downloading it
[09:56] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: that is not debatable
[09:56] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: its a fact
[09:56] <nomike> you can grant passwordless sudo rights to "/usr/bin/apt-get update"
[09:57] <nomike> and "/usr/bin/apt-get upgrade"
[09:57] <raven> any tool to read version of id3-tags?
[09:57] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: apt-get and so on will install the new version like you do "sudo apt-get install foobar". also "sudo apt-get install foobar" will update the package when it is already installed
[09:57] <defekt> !botsnack
[09:57] <ndee> 7
[09:57] <defekt> 6
[09:57] <dr_willis> theres several id3tag tools in the repos
[09:58] <TomyLaptop> an update does more than a fresh install. migrate old config and such
[09:58] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: no
[09:58] <cfhowlett> raven, software center search for id3.  no shortage of candidates
[09:58] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: that is part of the postinst and preinst
[09:58] <nomike> TomyLaptop, also a fresh install does migrate old config and such. The only thing is, there is no old config to migrate
[09:59] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: its a normal installation and the migration is implemented in the postinst and not in apt-get
[09:59] <TomyLaptop> ah
[09:59] <iceroot> TomyLaptop: and the postinst will be executed on install, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[09:59] <TomyLaptop> ok that was the basis of my conclusion
[10:00] <TomyLaptop> still, updating existing packages from verified sources is less harmful than installing new ones
[10:00] <ndee> I just got a new server (12.04 LTS) and added a package list from an existing server (10.04 LTS). I did that with dselect --get-selections (10.04),  then dpkg --set-selections < package-list and then dselect and choose install. Now I have following error message: http://pastebin.com/LkbuQ3XS <-- what's the best way to remove that libxslt1-dev package?
[10:01] <TomyLaptop> ayzaaz17, https://www.google.de/search?q=pidgin+irc
[10:01] <bekks> TomyLaptop: Thats not true. You dont know wether a package might break your system or not. It is not dependant on wether it is an installation or an update.
[10:05] <Oins> Is there a package like the juniper web vpn. I'm searching for a VPN solution which works over https. Something like https://myVpnIP/goto/google.de brings me to google.de, tunneled over my server, for example.
[10:06] <TomyLaptop> bekks, that's a highly theoretical chance of the developer, maintainer and everyone else looking at it messing up, versus the person installing unauthorized software
[10:06] <bekks> TomyLaptop: But it doesnt change the fact, that you just have to trust the package maintainer whenever installing or updating a package.
[10:07] <TomyLaptop> bekks, you don't?
[10:08] <bekks> TomyLaptop: Thats not the point of this discussion.
[10:09] <TomyLaptop> you're right. the point is I do trust the maintainers of the packages i chose to install
[10:09] <A> help me
[10:09] <dr_willis> !ask
[10:10] <TomyLaptop> that does not mean I trust the maintainers of the packages i did NOT chose to install
[10:10] <TomyLaptop> do you understand the distinction, bekks?
[10:10] <nomike> So if NetworkManager uses a builtin dnsmasq, shouldn't /etc/resolv.conf contain "nameserver 127.0.0.1" then?
[10:10] <dr_willis> nomike i think mine does.. im not at home to check
[10:11] <kepler> nomike: just disable it and be done with it
[10:11] <bekks> TomyLaptop: No. The point of this discussion is/was that an installation is the same technical process and there is no distinction neither in technical details nor in trusting/not-trusting a package just because it is an installation/update.
[10:11] <bekks> TomyLaptop: And both point were already explained and cleared. :)
[10:12] <OltreIrc`64704> ciao
[10:12] <OltreIrc`64704> !list
[10:12] <TomyLaptop> bekks,  oh i see, you're still stuck in the previous discussion
[10:13] <TomyLaptop> i already conceded that they're the same. i wasnt aware that config migration happens in pre/postinst
[10:13] <raven> which tool is able to find out if a mp3 id3tag is 2.3 or 2.4?
[10:13] <jennie> what is steam channel name for linux please tell
[10:14] <dr_willis> !steam
[10:15] <cfhowlett> raven, again, look in the software center.  LOTS of ID3 tools are available
[10:16] <TomyLaptop> that factoid needs an update. they're now in public beta, which is a few steps past "announced" :)
[10:18] <arcimboldo> Hi all, I have a question about posix shells
[10:19] <TomyLaptop> with muon update manager, how do i make it so i don't need to enter a password to update already installed packages.
[10:19] <arcimboldo>  can I ask here?
[10:19] <dr_willis> arcimboldo:  ask it and see ;-0
[10:19] <TomyLaptop> arcimboldo, that's not a question about posix shells :)
[10:19] <TomyLaptop> (in other words: dont ask to ask, just ask)
[10:20] <cfhowlett> arcimboldo, out with it!
[10:20] <arcimboldo> I need to know if running `exec cmd` will *always* execute the *binary* `cmd`, even if there is a builtin
[10:20] <arcimboldo> e.g. exec time --version will call the time binary on *any* posix shell?
[10:20] <johnkingbinger> hello i need help
[10:20] <johnkingbinger> anyone alive?
[10:21] <dr_willis> !ask
[10:21] <Soban> were i can find the patchs that ubuntu devs apply ?
[10:21] <arcimboldo> my guess is yes, since exec need to replace the current process
[10:21] <llutz> arcimboldo: if there is a builtin, it will be used. use /path/to/cmd   to make sure its not using builtins
[10:21] <TomyLaptop> Soban, on packages.ubuntu.org i think
[10:21] <arcimboldo> llutz, I can't, because I cannot know where the binary is in advance
[10:21] <arcimboldo> it's a software that needs to connect via ssh on a remote machine, and cannot know what operating system is
[10:22] <johnkingbinger> when i put in the live ubuntu cd it disables my optical mouse and my network adaptor constanly disconnects
[10:22] <TomyLaptop> arcimboldo, "which name-of-binary"
[10:22] <johnkingbinger> any solution?
[10:22] <johnkingbinger> it does this with every distro of linux
[10:22] <arcimboldo> TomyLaptop, I don't think which is in the posix standard
[10:23] <arcimboldo> I could use `command time`, but I also have to run exec, because I need to replace the current shell.
[10:23] <johnkingbinger> my optical mouse is not detected but keyboard works fine
[10:23] <arcimboldo> (in order to know when the program exits)
[10:23] <dr_willis> johnkingbinger:  sounds like some odd hardware bug. whats the wireless chipset?
[10:24] <jrp> Hi, Im compiling some software and Im curious. Why arent ubuntu packages compiled with -fPIC?
[10:25] <johnkingbinger> Realtek PCIe GBE Family controler
[10:25] <jrp> examples include: libssl.a, libc.a, and libz.a
[10:25] <iceroot> jrp: #ubuntu-devel
[10:25] <Dimitri_J> Hi, I am trying to make linux workstations where students ( I'am in a school) can access there own files from the windows 2008 Active Directory. I can join the domain, but the homedirs are not imported.. Anyone got an idea?
[10:25] <jrp> iceroot: ok, thanks
[10:25] <iceroot> !samba | Dimitri_J
[10:26] <johnkingbinger> i really dont understand why any linux distro wont detect the optical mouse
[10:26] <johnkingbinger> i looked in my bios
[10:26] <johnkingbinger> no luck
[10:26] <arcimboldo> if I run  bash -c "exec time --version" it seems that it's executing the binary and not the builtin
[10:26] <arcimboldo> while bash -c "time --version" executes the builtin
[10:26] <bekks> johnkingbinger: Which mouse it it and how is it connected?
[10:26] <johnkingbinger> its the logitech 100m
[10:27] <johnkingbinger> ive tried different optical mice same thing
[10:27] <bekks> johnkingbinger: How is it connected?
[10:27] <johnkingbinger> usb
[10:27] <johnkingbinger> 2.0
[10:28] <iceroot> arcimboldo: #bash
[10:28] <pishkur> hey all, question... after shutting down normally yday, i booted today into shell and couldnt even get into X via startx command...any ideas?
[10:28] <bekks> johnkingbinger: Maybe your usb ports are broken?
[10:28] <TomyBook> johnkingbinger,  didnt get the middle of the conversation. does the laser/led shut down?
[10:28] <pishkur> ubuntu didnt even want to start into x
[10:28] <dr_willis> pishkur:  state any errors startx says...
[10:28] <bekks> pishkur: startx is deprecated nowadays.
[10:28] <johnkingbinger> yes tomy the led light shuts off
[10:29] <arcimboldo> iceroot, asked there also, thnx
[10:29] <pishkur> didnt get any errors, had to reinstall ubuntu
[10:29] <bekks> pishkur: Which Ubuntz do you have?
[10:29] <pishkur> 12.04
[10:29] <johnkingbinger> this is a new build i just bult this pc today
[10:29] <Dimitri_J> Can someone perhaps personally assist me in mounting homdirs from active directory to my linux workstation? :) Pm me :)
[10:29] <johnkingbinger> the mouse is working now
[10:29] <TomyBook> then it like doesnt get power from the usb port
[10:29] <dr_willis> pishkur:  guess its to late to get help on it then.
[10:29] <bekks> pishkur: Then start the lightdm service instead of reinstalling your system.
[10:29] <TomyBook> likely*
[10:29] <pishkur> bekks: from the shell?
[10:29] <johnkingbinger> GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AMD 9 Series FX Motherboard
[10:29] <iceroot> arcimboldo: please use only one channel :)
[10:29] <bekks> pishkur: Yes. You have to have lightdm installed before.
[10:30] <johnkingbinger> you think its a power issue>? how so when its working fine on windows?
[10:30] <arcimboldo> iceroot, I asked there after you suggested me to move there :)
[10:30] <pishkur> bekks, cant seem to find it in ubuntu software  center
[10:30] <dr_willis> lightdm is installed by default on ubuntu
[10:30] <iceroot> arcimboldo: ok :)
[10:30] <pishkur> ah ok
[10:30] <TomyBook> startx? oh crap, reminds me of starting windows 3.1
[10:31] <pishkur> yeah, been a while since i was on linux :D
[10:31] <bekks> pishkur: The software center implies that you already have working X, which was started by lightdm.
[10:31] <dr_willis> !info lightdm
[10:31] <pishkur> bekks: ok, just figured it was some sort of update i did last night
[10:31] <Dimitri_J> Can someone perhaps personally assist me in mounting homdirs from active directory to my linux workstation? :) Pm me :). Thank you in advance
[10:31] <johnkingbinger> i just dont understand why wont any linux distro detect my usb ports it just shuts them off
[10:31] <johnkingbinger> i have a 500wat power supply
[10:32] <TomyBook> that doesnt mean anything
[10:32] <johnkingbinger> but they are working fine now that im on windows now all ports work fine so it has to be a bug in linux
[10:32] <TomyBook> IF power is an issue, it matters how many devices are connected to the usb port and how much power they draw
[10:32] <dr_willis> Dimitri_J:  you mean mounting windows shares> thas dosable with the file manager or fstab entries and the smbfs package
[10:33] <TomyBook> johnkingbinger, so, does the mouse light up when in the bios?
[10:33] <johnkingbinger> i only have 1 the mouse my keyboard is connected to the ps2 port
[10:33] <johnkingbinger> yes the mouse works fine everywhere else but when i boot up into any linux the light turns off
[10:33] <bekks> pishkur: There is no reason to ask in an unsolicited query. Keep it in the channel please.
[10:34] <johnkingbinger> i thought maybe it was my bios causeing a bug because it is fairly new
[10:34] <TomyBook> johnkingbinger, what's your hardware
[10:34] <pishkur> hmm ok
[10:34] <dr_willis> brand new just reelased hardware is ofteh the most problematic in linux
[10:34] <kunji>  johnkingbinger: So you can get to a terminal with the keyboard, right?  So run lsusb and see if the mouse is in the output, if so, then it is detected, but is more likely some sort of button mismapping or driver issue
[10:34] <floogy> Hi, I want to reach teamviewer after wake on lan, but it only starts automatically after login :P How to achieve that before login, e.g. to show me the gdm login window?
[10:35] <johnkingbinger> can i do this from the live cd ? @kunji
[10:35] <TomyBook> floogy, is xrdp not working for you?
[10:35] <kunji>  johnkingbinger: yes
[10:35] <johnkingbinger> ok i will give that a go
[10:35] <johnkingbinger> because windows is just to unsecure for me
[10:35] <floogy> TomyBook, I didn't tried yet.
[10:36] <TomyBook> i'm not going to recommend xrdp since it messes up keyboard layouts, but it worked out of the box for me
[10:36] <dawkirst> Hi there. Just downloaded the ADT for Ubuntu 12.04. The bundled Eclipse doesn't seem the launch. Am I missing any dependencies?
[10:36] <kunji>  johnkingbinger: The ctrl+alt+t should open a terminal, if not, then do ctrl+alt+f1 to get a non-gui terminal, log in and run the command
[10:36] <TomyBook> and if you use the vnc connector, you can steal its vnc session :P
[10:36] <johnkingbinger> how do i return back to the gui @kunji?
[10:37] <TomyBook> ctrl alt f7 usually
[10:37] <kunji> johnkingbinger: ctrl+alt+f7
[10:37] <floogy> TomyBook, so vnc is unsecure?
[10:37] <johnkingbinger> ok brb
[10:37] <floogy> What about NX?
[10:37] <TomyBook> floogy, it asks for the password when you steal the session
[10:37] <TomyBook> if it's otherwise secure, i dont know
[10:38] <TomyBook> i havent evaluated that
[10:38] <bekks> floogy: Yes, VNC is insecure and you should ALWAYS tunnel it through ssh, which is what NX does.
[10:38] <Steven2> hello
[10:38] <TomyBook> i'm very very sure that at one point realvnc was unsecure
[10:39] <TomyBook> because i've had some script log into my vnc server and open a terminal
[10:39] <floogy> Hi, bekks, thank you. So you would suggest using NX over all other alternatives, I guess?
[10:39] <bekks> floogy: Yes.
[10:39] <TomyBook> that was on windows
[10:39] <poq> How to download all packages with dependecies if they are already installed on my machine?
[10:39] <poq> apt cache is empty
[10:39] <TomyBook> luckily i was typing stuff while it did that so it didnt get to drop its payload
[10:39] <floogy> Ok, thank you. Alsoi I think it might be the fastest remote solution.
[10:39] <dr_willis> poq:  redownlad them you mean?
[10:40] <kunji> johnkingbinger: I'm guessing you don't have another one on you just now, but the easiest thing to try is another mouse.  That command will verify whether or not it's detected, unfortunately that's as far as my knowledge of usb troubleshooting goes (well, except that the events also turn up in the dmesg log).
[10:40] <poq> dr_willis: yes without installing (they are already installed on my PC but I want to install it on other)
[10:40] <johnkingbinger> @kunji i tryed another mouse
[10:40] <johnkingbinger> same thing happen
[10:40] <johnkingbinger> the led stays on untilli boot into linux
[10:40] <floogy> bekks, but I need a windows client to. Does that exists for NX? Ok, I'll look into it on their website...
[10:41] <dr_willis> !freenx
[10:41] <bekks> floogy: Of course.
[10:41] <dr_willis> theres nx then theres freenx ;)
[10:41] <TomyBook> bekks, do you have more details on this maybe? can the authentication process be circumvented? or can it just be tapped cause it's unencrypted?
[10:41] <kunji> johnkingbinger: Hmm, no idea then, sorry.
[10:41] <floogy> thanks to all.
[10:41] <johnkingbinger> ive searched for the bug
[10:41] <johnkingbinger> its a known bug
[10:41] <mattwj2002> howdy all
[10:41] <mattwj2002> :)
[10:42] <OerHeks> johnkingbinger, do you use an USB3 port ?
[10:42] <cfhowlett> matthewvz, greetings
[10:42] <TomyBook> cause again that's 2 vastly different levels of unsecure. the former allows J random hacker to access my pc, while the later merely allows a malicious wiretapper to do so
[10:42] <mattwj2002> hi cfhowlett
[10:42] <mattwj2002> :)
[10:42] <johnkingbinger> no but i have it on my mobo
[10:42] <bekks> TomyBook: bruteforcing an 8-character PW isnt that hard besides the fact that just removing the password storage file is sufficient to have no auth anymore.
[10:42] <johnkingbinger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1006145
[10:43] <TomyBook> bekks, how would they remove that file?
[10:43] <bekks> TomyBook: And yes, the password isnt encrypted.
[10:43] <Chosi> anyone on 10.04 with an nvidia quadro 600?
[10:43] <Chosi> or similar?
[10:43] <TomyBook> bruteforcing passwords remotely can be made infeasible
[10:44] <TomyBook> by introducing delays for wrong passwords
[10:44] <bekks> !anyone | Chosi
[10:44] <TomyBook> and it's a universal issue, not limited to vnc
[10:45] <TomyBook> Chosi, why do you stick with 10.04?
[10:45] <bekks> TomyBook: There is no auth delay in vnc, so bruteforcing is pretty fast.
[10:46] <Chosi> it's a customer. i have no idea why he's still on 10.04 :)
[10:46] <TomyBook> bekks,  that's not a protocol limitation
[10:46] <bekks> TomyBook: No one said it would be.
[10:46] <Chosi> he's got two quadro 600s and 2 screens and can't get 3d and the second screen to work after an update
[10:46] <mattwj2002> openvpn-sa requires a maximum of 10.04
[10:46] <mattwj2002> I am installing it right now
[10:46] <mattwj2002> :P
[10:47] <jeetpei> Hi all i have a problem .. when i supply ssh command it does not works .. but if i run using full path "usr/bin/ssh it works .. any solution ?
[10:47] <TomyBook> bekks, you said "vnc is insecure". VNC is a protocol
[10:47] <Nahiyan> jeetpei: can you try /usr/bin/ssh?
[10:47] <jrib> jeetpei: what is the output of « echo $PATH »?
[10:48] <ThinkT510> TomyBook: as is ftp, that is also rather insecure
[10:48] <Nahiyan> ThinkT510: I don't think they're supposed to be
[10:48] <jeetpei> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/bin
[10:48] <bekks> TomyBook: This meta-discussion get totally unrelated to the support issue that VNC should not be used without a secured tunnel.
[10:48] <Nahiyan> ..
[10:48] <TomyBook> ThinkT510, but bruteforcing the password is not one of its inherent weaknesses
[10:48] <jrib> jeetpei: well there you go.  How are you setting your PATH?
[10:49] <jeetpei> in .bashrc
[10:49] <jrib> jeetpei: and you are sure that "echo $PATH" returned what you said above exactly?
[10:49] <jrib> jeetpei: pastebin your ~/.bashrc
[10:49] <bekks> TomyBook: The fact that the password is unencrypted, and the fact that there is no auth delay AND the fact that eases up a brute force attack is pretty close related to "the inherent weakness of VNC".
[10:50] <TomyBook> bruteforcing the password can always be prevented, except from people who have access to the password hash
[10:50] <jeetpei> no i just told path what i setted :)
[10:50] <bekks> TomyBook: There is no password hash in VNC. The password is transmitted unsecured. Please stop discussing things you dont know anything about obviously.
[10:50] <TomyBook> bekks, you still havent presented any evidence for premise 2
[10:50] <Dimitri_J> Hi, I am trying to make linux workstations where students ( I'am in a school) can access there own files from the windows 2008 Active Directory. I can join the domain, but the homedirs are not imported.. Anyone got an idea?
[10:51] <TomyBook> and premise 1 we agree on
[10:51] <bekks> TomyBook: I wont present evidence of anything to people who have no clue what they are talking about.
[10:51] <johnkingbinger> uh oh
[10:51] <TomyBook> ad hominem is not an argument, it's a fallacy
[10:52] <bekks> TomyBook: Whatever, this discussion is now closed by me. :P
[10:52]  * cfhowlett ... meanwhile back in the actual SUPPORT discussions ...
[10:52] <johnkingbinger> uh oh
[10:52] <TomyBook> please, put me on ignore, bekks
[10:52] <bekks> Done.
[10:52] <johnkingbinger> lol
[10:53] <johnkingbinger> hope you guys work it out in the future
[10:53] <jeetpei> jrib : sorry i have to run .. Thanks for your help .. will see this problem later
[10:53] <jeetpei> Thanks
[10:54] <johnkingbinger> i sat tomy won the argument tho
[10:54] <johnkingbinger> say*
[10:54] <TomyBook> thanks, i was beginning to think i'm crazy :)
[10:55] <bekks> johnkingbinger: Please come back to support now.
[10:55] <johnkingbinger> ok sorry
[10:55] <bekks> johnkingbinger: The entire discussion is over, there is no need to revive it again.
[10:56] <OrgMental> Dimitri_J, if you are still around check out https://wiki.umn.edu/Main/UbuntuAndActiveDirectory search for the "Local logins" section and see if that helps you
[10:57] <johnkingbinger> ok once im in lsusb what do i do? if i see the mouse is detected and its a driver issue?
[10:58] <bekks> johnkingbinger: You cant be "in lsusb". lsusb just lists your detected usb devices.
[10:58] <Dimitri_J> The place i am working has got a domain called katienen.lan
[10:58] <Dimitri_J> now what is my workgroup, and what is my realm
[10:58] <bekks> johnkingbinger: lsusb will not show you driver problems or whatever. It will only show you the devices detected.
[10:58] <iceroot> can i create a raid 10 from an existing raid 1 and 2 new hdds without reformating?
[10:58] <iceroot> software-raid with dmraid
[10:59] <johnkingbinger> ok so once i put that in the termanal
[10:59] <Dimitri_J> The place i am working has got a domain called katienen.lan   => what is my workgroup, and what is my realm?
[10:59] <johnkingbinger> what next?
[10:59] <bekks> johnkingbinger: run lsusb
[11:00] <TomyBook> Dimitri_J, what do you want to enter the workgroup and realm into?
[11:00] <`ingsoc> Hi, I get this weird error after I play Heroes on Newerth on Linux. Every time I close the game, when I try an open Chromium, I get the error in a terminal: "bash: fork: retry: No child processes". I know it's a longshot, but does anyone have any clues?
[11:00] <`ingsoc> After a while every starts working normally.
[11:00] <Dimitri_J> Tomy, In samba conf files
[11:00] <TomyBook> ah, thought those were windows terms :)
[11:01] <TomyBook> anyway, sorry, domain and workgroup/realm are not related in any way
[11:01] <johnkingbinger> tomy you are a very smart guy man
[11:02] <Marezz> anyone knows a image hosting site where I can make an album?
[11:02] <STMelon> MAREZZ!
[11:02] <OrgMental> Dimitri_J, the link I gave you has a good sample of the samba.conf file should looke like. in your case you don't want anything do do with the workgroup as you just want to deal withe domain
[11:02] <kunji> bekks: Right, I advised he run it to rule out that it isn't being detected at all, he is having problems with usb devices though (mice in particular so far), they may be a driver problem, or usb controller, etc...  That's as far as I know to troubleshoot that though.
[11:02] <Marezz> STMelon, hey melons
[11:02] <speakman> Hi folks. I suddently got one GIANT mouse pointer. No idea what it came from, but it happened when I was trying out different nvidia xorg drivers. Now I run nouveau. Any idea how to restore the original size? I've tried this, but it's already set to what's suggested: http://askubuntu.com/a/126511/12013
[11:02] <anika_> #glugpesce
[11:02] <cfhowlett> Marezz, now you're just being lazy.  really.  not an ubuntu question.  search online.
[11:03] <bekks> kunji: Yeah. :)
[11:03] <Marezz> cfhowlett, wtf I thought all ubuntu users are lazy
[11:03] <Marezz> thats why it exists :D
[11:03] <cfhowlett> Marezz, no.  and language please.
[11:07] <vnc786> can someone guide me on grub entry i want to boot iso from usb ? right now i am to boot ubuntu but try to run systemrescuecd ...
[11:07] <kunji> What's the best way to recover a 160 GB NTFS partition on a failing drive?  I was trying gddrescue, but writing a large amount like that to an NTFS partition seems to have problems with diminishing returns.  Trying to copy the files, it's taken more than half an hour preparing to copy and found more than 1.25 million files... that seems way too many for this drive doesn't it?  I'm not too worried about saving everything, just most of it.
[11:08] <cfhowlett> !rescue
[11:08]  * cfhowlett oops not that one ...
[11:08] <cfhowlett> !recover
[11:08] <kunji> cfhowlett: Thanks
[11:08] <cfhowlett> NP
[11:09] <dawkirst> Hi, how can I troubleshoot an executable when I try to run it?
[11:09] <vnc786> can someone guide me on grub entry i want to boot iso from usb ? right now i am able to boot ubuntu but trying to run systemrescuecd ...i am having exiting grub2 http://pendrivelinux.com/downloads/multibootlinux/grub.cfg
[11:10] <savagecroc> by default can any user write to /tmp ?
[11:10] <iceroot> savagecroc: yes
[11:10] <TomyBook> yes, that's what it's for
[11:11] <savagecroc> cool. just checking before i start dumping tons of crap in there
[11:11] <savagecroc> does the OS automatically clean it up?
[11:13] <iceroot> savagecroc: after a reboot, yes
[11:13] <savagecroc> sweet
[11:13] <savagecroc> ah
[11:13] <savagecroc> what if the system never reboots?
[11:13] <savagecroc> i.e. only once per year or something?
[11:13] <iceroot> savagecroc: then you have a lot of kernel-exploits
[11:13] <bekks> savagecroc: Then /tmp is not cleaned up.
[11:13] <savagecroc> ok
[11:14] <savagecroc> iceroot: haha ok
[11:14] <savagecroc> yeah that's a good question.. is running apt-get upgrade enough to avoid getting kernal-exploits?
[11:15] <cfhowlett> savagecroc, update pulls what's in the repos.  so long as those are not compromised ...
[11:15] <savagecroc> what's a reboot needed for then?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:15] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, greetings
[11:15] <melty> lol
[11:16] <BluesKaj> hi cfhowlett
[11:22] <TomyBook> savagecroc, to be precise, apt will install updated kernels, but it will not run them
[11:22] <savagecroc> ah right
[11:23] <TomyBook> to run them, you need to reboot (short answer)
[11:23] <savagecroc> will it tell you if it needs a reboot?
[11:23] <TomyBook> if you're using a gui, it likely will
[11:23] <savagecroc> nah
[11:23] <TomyBook> but running things for a year somehow tells me you're not :)
[11:23] <savagecroc> command line
[11:23] <TomyBook> then it won't tell you
[11:25] <bekks> savagecroc: No.
[11:25] <TomyBook> savagecroc,  cat /proc/version shows you the currently running kernel. ls /boot shows you what's installed.
[11:26] <TomyBook> you could probably write a small bash script from there
[11:26] <savagecroc> ok
[11:26] <cfhowlett> @TomyBook, and that little nugget of info made lurking here totally worth it.  thanx!
[11:26] <savagecroc> yeah everything else is scripted
[11:27] <savagecroc> i had to write a huge wrapper around setfacl
[11:27] <savagecroc> the existing implementation is awful
[11:29] <TomyBook> cfhowlett, #1 or #2? :)
[11:30] <solexious> Q: I downloaded my .pem file from amazon ec2 to import into my keyring on my system, but the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide seem to be out of date for 12.10, any help with how it import it correctly?
[11:30] <cfhowlett> TomyBook, ls /boot .  nice.
[11:30] <TomyBook> cause that was original research *g*
[11:33] <savagecroc> Tomybook: ok what does ls /boot give you?
[11:34] <TomyBook> -37
[11:34] <Phryq> hey
[11:34] <TomyBook> a bunch of them
[11:34] <savagecroc> System.map-3.2.0-24-generic
[11:34] <TomyBook> i'd look for initrd* if i were you :)
[11:34] <savagecroc> oh and then compare that to Linux version 3.2.0-24-generic (
[11:34] <TomyBook> yep
[11:34] <savagecroc>  initrd.img-3.2.0-24-generic .. right
[11:35] <TomyBook> you can compare package versions with dpkg somehow...
[11:35] <TomyBook> !compareversions
[11:35] <TomyBook> was a #debian factoid...
[11:35] <savagecroc> so ls.. the stuff look for /initrd.img-3.2.0-(\d*)-generic/ then see if that's larger than the number in /proc/version
[11:35] <savagecroc> if so .. schedule a reboot at 12am
[11:36] <Phryq> just isntalled ubuntu 12.10 and virtualbox, when I try to run a virtual machine I get an error, can show a pastebin?
[11:36] <TomyBook> savagecroc, there will likely be more than one kernel installed
[11:36] <savagecroc> later this year i want to get a swarm style setup, where one box has all of it's user data migrated to other nodes, then upgrades itself
[11:36] <savagecroc> then runs a bunch of app-tests
[11:36] <TomyBook> since, as a precaution, kernel packages are never uninstalled automatically
[11:36] <savagecroc> then re-joins the swarm
[11:37] <TomyBook> neat
[11:38] <savagecroc> we have to do the migration thing anyway.. i.e. if you are user A and you access from london all the time.. we might as well stick you on a server n
[11:38] <savagecroc> near you.
[11:38] <savagecroc> and if your in china.. you HAVE to be served by a server inside china.. otherwise it'll be shit slow
[11:39] <savagecroc> so i don't think doing the upgrading server stuff is much more difficult once that's implemented
[11:44] <defekt> nom nom om
[11:45]  * defekt throws a !botsnack
[11:47] <vm325> hi all
[11:51] <dr_willis> mooo
[11:52] <Adriannom> hi.  ubuntu 12.10, gnome fallback.  fresh install on formatted hd.  the initial user account works fine, but if i create another one and login, gnome-panel doesn't load.  any ideas?
[11:54] <dr_willis> how did you make the new user?
[11:55] <Adriannom> system settings via gui
[11:55] <the_drow> hi guys, I kinda passwd -d my root user and I have no other user and now I can't login
[11:56] <cfhowlett> doh!
[11:56] <breaker313> what did you configure for login for this user? gnome, unity,...?
[11:56] <dr_willis> thats weird Adriannom .  Try just a simple 'sudo adduser billgates'  :) se eif that one works
[11:56] <jrib> the_drow: by "root user", you mean the first user you created during install, named something other than "root" right?
[11:56] <the_drow> jrib: yup
[11:56] <the_drow> jrib: I can't create another one using the guest account obviously.
[11:56] <Adriannom> breaker313, good point, i forgot unity existed after installing gnome fallback
[11:57] <Adriannom> dr_willis, ok
[11:57] <jrib> the_drow: ok, it's confusing to call that the root user.  What do you want to do now?  Re-enable the account or create a new one?  You're going to have to do either action by accessing recovery mode from the grub menu
[11:57] <Adriannom> breaker313, actually, looks like i removed unity
[11:57] <the_drow> jrib: already tried that, recovery mode isn't working
[11:57] <breaker313> Adriannom: hm
[11:58] <jrib> the_drow: define "isn't working"
[11:58] <celestialform> by the way, how to easily remove unity?
[11:58] <the_drow> jrib: I have a refabricated Toshiba CS850. It's not booting. It can't load the drivers correctly
[11:59] <jrib> the_drow: how do you boot normally?
[11:59] <cfhowlett> celestialform, why remove?  just don't use it.  You can boot or add other DE's
[11:59] <cfhowlett> !nounity|celestialform,
[11:59] <the_drow> jrib: with the normal mode it works
[12:00] <HankHendrix> Free Charles-like tool that can limit perceived bandwidth????
[12:00] <Adriannom> dr_willis, same problem with adduser
[12:00] <the_drow> jrib: I believe that the drivers are causing trouble in recovery mode (got no wifi access because the driver for ubuntu is way too new)
[12:00] <jrib> the_drow: strange that recovery mode would not work.  Anyway, you can use a live cd, mount your install, chroot to it, and modify your user that way
[12:00] <celestialform> Using gnome-shell already but thanks for the answers
[12:00] <jrib> the_drow: but you don't need wifi
[12:00] <Phryq> http://pastiebin.com/?page=p&id=5114e8cfe7089
[12:00] <Phryq> anyone know how to solve that error?
[12:01] <dr_willis> Adriannom:  so all the desktops fail for the new users?
[12:01] <Adriannom> yup
[12:01] <Adriannom> same after restart, and original account still fine
[12:02] <dr_willis> Adriannom:  ok.. try somthing weird? :) install jwm, see if  just a basic window manager works for them
[12:02] <dr_willis> !info jwm
[12:03] <dr_willis> if jwm fails for them.. then somthing is definatly very weird.  You could check the users .Xauthority file in their home directory. it should be owned by them and not root.
[12:03] <Adriannom> jwm works fine
[12:03] <Adriannom> permissions all fine
[12:03] <dr_willis> thats a good sign i guess..
[12:04] <dr_willis> you are doing all this logging in via LightDm correct?
[12:04] <Adriannom> yup
[12:05] <dr_willis> so Unity fail. GNome-fallback fail, jwm works..   tried any others?
[12:05] <Adriannom> didn't try unity on the new account, but yes it failed in its own way ;)
[12:06] <Adriannom> nope but if jwm works doesn't that point to gnome?
[12:06] <Adriannom> i can try others if it helps
[12:06] <dr_willis> you could try going to the console. stopping lightdm, and do a 'startx' and see any error messages seem to appear.
[12:06] <dr_willis> its pointing to a gnomeish issue.. but not sure what.
[12:07] <Adriannom> hm ok, i kill it from ps ax right?
[12:07] <36DACW2U4> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/fire-assistant-us-attorney-steve-heymann/RJKSY2nb
[12:07] <the_drow> sorry, got disconnected
[12:07] <the_drow> yeh I tried the live cd
[12:07] <36DACW2U4> sign up now, for Aaron Schwartz.
[12:07] <Adriannom> isn't there a log file i can look at?
[12:07] <dr_willis> and/or make a .xinitrc file with just the  line 'exec gnome-terminal'  then startx  should make a X desktop that jas just a terminal. then try to start gnome from the terminal and look for errors
[12:07] <the_drow> It only lets me install ubuntu or test it live, no access to the system itself
[12:07] <dr_willis> theres  some .X logs in your home. but ive never seen them have much usefull info
[12:08] <dr_willis> the_drow:  You wnat to access your allready installed sstem from a live cd?
[12:08] <Adriannom> right
[12:08] <the_drow> dr_willis: someone here suggested that. recovery mode isn't working
[12:08] <Adriannom> well hold on i can get a terminal up right now with ctrl+alt+t
[12:09] <dr_willis> the_drow:  you just look in the file manager for your hard drive/partitions.. unless you are using home encryption, you should be able to access them
[12:09] <dr_willis> Adriannom:  so you are in jwm right now?
[12:09] <Adriannom> it's...  working now...  thank you?
[12:09] <Adriannom> ;)
[12:09] <dr_willis> heh...
[12:10] <dr_willis> weirdness...
[12:10] <Adriannom> yeah, maybe the switch to another wm first fixed it
[12:10] <Adriannom> for some reason
[12:10] <Adriannom> anyway much appreciate the help :)
[12:10] <dr_willis> file a bug/..  on what.. no idea. ;)
[12:11] <invariant> Does anyone know of a replacement for mysql-workbench that doesn't crash when I start it?
[12:12] <invariant> This is a problem that exists since 2010 and apparently nobody cared to fix it.
[12:12] <Adriannom> dr_willis, lol
[12:12] <invariant> http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=61170
[12:12] <dr_willis> perhaps the mysql channel may offer reccomendations
[12:16] <the_drow> sorry, disconnected again
[12:16] <the_drow> anyway what exactly should I do to recover my main account if recovery mode is not working
[12:17] <cheshair> Hi! I need to install a package on a Ubuntu machine but don't have admin access. Is there any alternative to compiling from scratch (configure/make)?
[12:18] <the_drow> cheshair: go to ur sysadmin
[12:19] <the_drow> cheshair: if you are deving on that machine, also smack him for not giving you root access to your own machine
[12:19] <craigbass1976> I keep getting prompted for a keyring password, and it's not taking.  Which password is it looking for, my user?
[12:20] <Adriannom> i'm trying to change a uid on another account, but it complains that the account is logged in.  it isn't...
[12:20] <deitarion> Is there anywhere in the default HTTP root where I can drop a replacement 404 message and the default Apache config will pick it up?
[12:21] <Adriannom> also i deleted a user account and it complained the same, this user is logged in.  tried it with several other accounts and the same happened.  none of them are logged in
[12:21] <Adriannom> any ideas?
[12:21] <manjush> I am trying to find lisp programmers.Is there any way that lisp is realted big data.
[12:21] <craigbass1976> It's when I fire up chromium -- that's the sacrificial lamb browser I use for fb and google stuff
[12:21] <cheshair> the_drow: thanks, even though the context is a bit more complex than that :-)
[12:22] <deitarion> (I'm using Apache's user dirs support for development but the non-userdir part is cluttering up the fruits of my ad-blocking hosts file with 404 messages and I'd like a solution that modifies as little of the system loadout as possible so I can comfortably put it in my GitHub-hosted roaming profile as something that can just be copied into place if no other file already exists.
[12:22] <bekks> manjush: lisp isnt used for big data - back in the days when lisp was invented there wasnt big data - except in science fiction stories.
[12:23] <cheshair> if uname tells me "x86_64 GNU/Linux" what ubuntu deb package am I suppose to use: amd64 or i386?
[12:23] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, try killing that user manually ( sudo skill -KILL "USER_NAME" )
[12:24] <dr_willis> the_drow:  whats not working in recovery mode anyway? it should let you get to a root shell
[12:24] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, done, same problem
[12:24] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, tried doing it from root ?
[12:25] <Adriannom> Adriannom, i haven't used root in years...  do you mean su mode?
[12:25] <bekks> cheshair: Whats the output of uname -a?
[12:26] <Adriannom> FlowRiser even ;s
[12:27] <criss> hello
[12:27] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, then i have no ideea O.o
[12:28] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, huh?  i meant.. do you mean single user mode?
[12:29] <manjush> bekks: lisp isn't used for big data.Bug sense is using lisp for its big data platform.
[12:29] <cheshair> bekks: kernel 2.6.34.8 and ends with x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:29] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, yes, try in su mode
[12:29] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, i think it would work, i also think it would work if i restarted the machine
[12:29] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, however...  it worries me :|
[12:30] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, btw, use su mode at your own risk. (i always forget to add this)
[12:30] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, i guess i'm wondering why it's not logging users out properly
[12:30] <Adriannom> or... whatever
[12:31] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, try seeing how many lightdm processes are running at a moment
[12:31] <Adriannom> ok
[12:32] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, 12
[12:32] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, and one user is logged in
[12:34] <bekks> manjush: Please keep it in this channel.
[12:34] <bekks> manjush: Again: Keep it in this channel, do not query me.
[12:35] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, right; so you can always stop lightdm ... make sure to kill all the processes; it will bring you to the logon screen ... then just sudo start lightdm; and try again;
[12:35] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, don't do that just yet
[12:35] <Adriannom> ok gotcha
[12:36] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, once in logon screen; ctrl-alt-f1, login manually and kill al those processes
[12:36] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, then start lightdm and see if it works
[12:36] <manjush> bekks:You told me that lisp isn't used for big data.I wanted to be clear with that.Bugsense is maintaining big data platform using lisp.
[12:36] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, i'll see you when you get back ;)
[12:36] <manjush> bekks: fine. I will keep it in this channel
[12:37] <bekks> manjush: Whats "big data" for you then? A bugtracker database? :)
[12:37] <skp1> hi, i put a hold on a package using synaptic and also using aptitude but when i try to upgrade using apt-get the package i want held is still being upgraded, can someone help me?
[12:37] <Adriannom> ok
[12:38] <manjush> bekks: Big data is all about analysying data to value.This system used big data to analyse the data of bugs.
[12:39] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, nope
[12:39] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, still happening
[12:40] <Adriannom> makes me wonder if a reboot would work after all
[12:40] <Adriannom> i'll try
[12:40] <manjush> bekks: check this https://www.bugsense.com/   These people use lisp
[12:41] <morph3k> anyone here ever edited their aptitude?
[12:41] <nic013> anyone using a USB prepaid broadband?
[12:41] <cfhowlett> my attitude is fine thank you very much!
[12:41]  * cfhowlett ... oh wait ...
[12:42] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, yup, that worked.  unfortunately if i login as the other user then logout, the same problem remains
[12:42] <dch> Hi, I wrote an upstart job that unfortunately doesn't work on reboot. Is there any way I can debug this?
[12:43] <Adriannom> only 3 lightdm processes this time
[12:43]  * dch *embarrassed* just found http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[12:43] <canthus13> Having trouble getting ubuntu to do anything at all on a new machine with UEFI. nothing on any drives... I've tried disabling UEFI, tried XHCI and EHCI workarounds, tried the secureboot remix.. All of it ends in an initramfs prompt complaining that it can't find any drives.
[12:43] <canthus13> any suggestions?
[12:44] <canthus13> BIOS sees all the drives fine.
[12:44] <p00c> Strange... I have a mainboard with UEFI and everything works fine... are you actually able to install ubuntu?
[12:45] <_helios_> canthus13: my assumption is that unfortunetaly ubuntu doesn't support your pc yet but don't worry it won't take them long
[12:45] <canthus13> _helios_: ...so I've got two thousand-dollar paperweights right now. :/
[12:45] <canthus13> p00c: nope.
[12:45] <Adriannom> maybe it's a problem with lightdm itself?
[12:45] <canthus13> p00c: this is from the live media.
[12:45] <cfhowlett> canthus13, so sad but hey ... install virtualbox and put ubunt inside!
[12:45] <p00c> tell us your specs
[12:45] <_helios_> canthus13: I'm afraid so :(
[12:46] <canthus13> cfhowlett: I don't have 400 bucks to buy copies of windows.
[12:46] <canthus13> p00c: Gigabyte GA-870A-D3, AMD FX-6100, 8GB ram, nvidia 640.
[12:46] <_helios_> canthus13: to speed up the process you can post on Ubuntu forums your problems include as much detail on the system as you can.
[12:46] <cfhowlett> so no OS?  so sorry
[12:46] <canthus13> cfhowlett: nope.
[12:48] <p00c> canthus13: what? I have almost the same specs... what kind of error messages (if ever) you get ?
[12:49] <manjush> I want to know relation between lisp and big data.If you say they are unrelated, then check https://www.bugsense.com/ They use lisp for their big data platform.If you know about big data and lisp,tell mee
[12:50] <canthus13> p00c: unable to find a live filesystem... this happens soon after the splash screen. If I use unetbootin to make the install media, it throws lots of errors related assigning a number to the USB devices, otherwise it's silent.
[12:51]  * canthus13 has tried 12.04, 12.10, secureboot remix, Mint 14...
[12:51] <canthus13> all throw the same error. the UEFI tutorial is no use. :/
[12:52] <p00c> canthus:13 did you put your usb drive in a 3.0 socket?
[12:52] <p00c> change it to 2.0
[12:52] <Layke> I've never seen this before. Jsut reinstalled something, and it's installed as gearman-job-server.dpkg-new
[12:52] <Layke> What's the signifiance of dpkg-new
[12:52] <Layke> It all works fine. Although I've renames the config files etc, to not have that.
[12:52] <canthus13> p00c: I have no idea how to tel the difference.
[12:52] <tootac> Hi guys, I have two wifi routers and two laptops both with ubuntu (10.10  and 12.10).  One of the computers can connect to both routers and works fine (10.10) the second one connects to both routers but on one of the routers internet is not working. How can I troubleshoot that?
[12:54] <Adriannom> ubuntu 12.10, gnome fallback.  when i login lightdm spawns a process that never goes away after i logout.   usermod, userdel etc. claim that the user is logged in when i try to do things.  this pc will have a long uptime so might it cause problems in the long run?
[12:55] <p00c> canthus13: well a 2.0 is an older usb-"standard", a 3.0 helps you transfer your data more quicker from a PC to an USB stick... if you have a look at your PC and your USB slots, has anyone of them a blue colour?
[12:55] <p00c> cantus13: or is anywhere written "3.0" or "2.0"?
[12:56] <p00c> canthus13: usually there should be a distinction provided by your main board
[12:56] <manjush>  I want to know relation between lisp and big data.If you say they are unrelated, then check https://www.bugsense.com/ They use lisp for their big data platform.If you know about big data and lisp,tell me
[12:57] <p00c> canthus13: forgot to ask: do you actually want to boot from a USB drive? ^^
[12:58] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, sry, i am studying for my exams :D I don't think it's a lightdm problem
[13:00] <canthus13> p00c: yup.  And I figured it out... the 3.0 ports are blue and won't even attempt to boot.
[13:00] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, np :)
[13:00] <canthus13> the other 10 ports wil boot.. and sometime during the splash USB stops responding.
[13:00] <p00c> canthus13: Great, so now try to boot from a 2.0 port, it should actually work
[13:01] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, at least you identified the possible problem source
[13:01] <morph3k> hey guys
[13:01] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, what's that?  if not lightdm?
[13:01] <morph3k> i have ubuntu running on a VM
[13:01] <morph3k> but um
[13:01] <canthus13> p00c: I tried all 10. won't work.
[13:01] <morph3k> problem is
[13:01] <morph3k> its using an internal ip
[13:01] <morph3k> how do i fix that?
[13:01] <Adriannom> morph3k, enter isn't a comma ;)
[13:02] <morph3k> sorry bad habit
[13:02] <p00c> what kind of installer for the .iso did you use?
[13:02] <p00c> unetbootin?
[13:02] <morph3k> its just the 12.04 server edition
[13:02] <canthus13> p00c: I've tried unetbootin and usb-creator
[13:02] <p00c> canthus13: hang on
[13:03] <FlowRiser> Adriannom, if it is lightdm, you should file a bug, you might get your fix in the process; btw what lightdm version you have ? (lightdm --version)
[13:03] <p00c> canthus13: try that one: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[13:04] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, 1.4.0
[13:04] <canthus13> p00c: ...there's no linux version of that.:/
[13:04] <the_jeebster> anyone familiar with nginx?
[13:04] <canthus13> Hmm.
[13:04] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, well i thought it might be lightdm, but really i'm just making an assumption i guess
[13:04] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: yep
[13:05] <savagecroc> very
[13:05] <canthus13> time to fire up a VM.
[13:05] <p00c> canthus13: damn, forgot it... try to do the following: change your boot order to USB->HDD->CD
[13:05] <Adriannom> FlowRiser, brb
[13:05] <canthus13> p00c: Already done.
[13:05] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: I've booted up a vps running nginx I can curl the public IP but if I enter the same address in the browser, no dice
[13:05] <canthus13> I'm gonna fire up a VM and try that pendrive installer. I've got XP on one.
[13:05] <the_jeebster> le strange
[13:06] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: hang on.. so wget 10.10.10.10 gives you a page
[13:06] <facundol> How can I see all shell programs installed in a package, instead shearching it on the net ?
[13:06] <savagecroc> but visiting in the browser doesnt'?
[13:06] <p00c> canthus13: well then try to download the .iso file again and create a new bootable stick
[13:06] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: I'm using curl and yeah
[13:06] <p00c> canthus13: I honestly can't provide you with any better solutions...
[13:07] <canthus13> p00c: I'm gonna give the pendrive one a shot in a VM.
[13:07] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: what happens in the browser? if you view source do you see anything?   do you see corrosponding requests in either errror.log or access.log?
[13:07] <p00c> canthus13: do it
[13:07] <melty> lol
[13:07] <facundol> ----How can I see all shell programs installed in a package, instead shearching it on the net ?
[13:07] <p00c> canthus13: it always worked for me  though
[13:07] <Adriannom> back
[13:08] <the_jeebster> savegecroc: I just get a webpage not available error. where are the log files kept? I thought they're in /var/ngin
[13:08] <morph3k> does anyone here mind seeing if they can ssh into my VM?
[13:08] <savagecroc> locate nginx | grep log
[13:08] <morph3k> i would really appreciate it
[13:08] <morph3k> been working on this for hours
[13:09] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: it's setup in your config file
[13:09] <facundol> Need help with packages, someone ?
[13:09] <savagecroc> nginx.conf has paths to the files
[13:09] <away> morph3k use http://www.canyouseeme.org/ to see if port 22 is open
[13:11] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: ok so I'm tailing the access log and the web browsers aren't even accessing the server. no response.
[13:11] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: server responds to curl
[13:11] <savagecroc> and your accessing it by ip address?
[13:12] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: yes, that's all I have now
[13:12] <savagecroc> try another browser..that is really weird
[13:12] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: it's strange because yesterday I could hit it by ip address. maybe it's the hosting company
[13:12] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: do you have a proxy setup in the browser?
[13:12] <facundol> How can I see all shell programs installed in a package ?
[13:12] <the_jeebster> savageproc: don't think so. fucking strange that it works in firefox but not chrome or safari
[13:13] <savagecroc> but if you can curl the site but not the browser
[13:13] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: what OS?
[13:13] <the_jeebster> os x 10.7
[13:14] <savagecroc> check in system preferences > network > proxies
[13:14] <savagecroc> see if you have a proxy enabled
[13:14] <the_jeebster> just the defaults I think
[13:14] <savagecroc> hmmm
[13:15] <savagecroc> problem is
[13:15] <savagecroc> i'd understand if it was dns
[13:15] <savagecroc> but for IPs it makes no sense
[13:15] <the_jeebster> yeah I've gotta get my dns setup first then I'd have an issue
[13:15] <savagecroc> do you have a vpn?
[13:15] <Tm_T> the_jeebster: please watch your language
[13:15] <the_jeebster> sorry
[13:17] <savagecroc> the_jeebster: reboot .. try again
[13:17] <savagecroc> i can't think of anything else.. if you want, you can pm me the ip and i'll test from my computer
[13:18] <TomyBook> does ubuntu servr autoclean the package cache after not apt-get update'ing for a while?
[13:18] <TomyBook> (or is that something my hoster is doing)
[13:18] <TomyBook> oops, wrong key
[13:19] <the_jeebster> savagecroc: thanks. it was working firefox so I'll see if I can get it kinked out
[13:19] <flcl> exit
[13:20] <facundol> How can I know how many programs installed a package, and their names ?
[13:20] <manjush> I asked a query about lisp.I am searching it for very long time.May be it's time to python things.
[13:22] <facundol> :(
[13:23] <keuner> hi. my keyboard doesn't respond to key strokes anymore. could anyone show me where to start for a solution?
[13:24] <MarKsaitis> how do i ask my system whether a specific library is installed on it? either package or from sources and linked to the system?
[13:24] <TomyBook> keuner, how do you chat then? :D
[13:25] <TakeItEZ> facundol: dpkg -L packagename
[13:25] <TomyBook> usb or ps2 keyboard?
[13:25] <keuner> tomybook: i knew this would come ;)
[13:25] <keuner> i logged in as different user
[13:25] <facundol> TakeItEZ: Thanks, I'll try
[13:25] <keuner> builtin laptop keyboard
[13:26] <keuner> thinkpad x230
[13:26] <TomyBook> keuner, so it only pertains to one X session?
[13:26] <TomyBook> or every time you log in with that user?
[13:26] <keuner> yes. in a way. logout and reboot didn't do the trick
[13:26] <TomyBook> hmmmm
[13:27] <keuner> only one user. yes. and only in x (tty works fine)
[13:27] <keuner> this happened before. keyboard stopped working some time after using the gimp
[13:27] <keuner> reboot usually solved the problem
[13:28] <TomyBook> cant help you, sorry
[13:36] <usr13> kepler: You might keep an eye on /var/log/syslog
[13:36] <usr13> ... might give you a clue ....
[13:36] <usr13> kepler: But it could also be a hardware issue.
[13:37] <usr13> kepler: (tail -f /var/log/syslog)
[13:38] <usr13> Oh wait, that was for keuner  (but he's gone).
[13:39] <usr13> ... sorry ....
[13:45] <viom> Good Day
[13:46] <andrearambo> ciao
[13:46] <andrearambo> !list
[13:56] <KrisB> Hello, How to access System > Administration > Login Window >  in new Ubuntu?
[13:57] <Pimpollo> The best jerkoffs? JizzDay
[14:02] <dch> I
[14:02] <blez> I'm trying to find libgtk-2-dev on ubuntu 12.10, but it returns empty search
[14:02] <blez> why?
[14:02] <blez> on the software center I mean
[14:02] <dch> How can I set ulimit? I've tried sysctl.conf, limits.conf, and still can't find out where it's being set to 0
[14:03] <sotomoss> tar xvzf buduscript.tar.gz -C ~/.xchat
[14:03] <TakeItEZ> !info libgtk2.0-dev | blez
[14:04] <blez> thanks
[14:04] <Fuzzles> Has anyone tried the 13.04 daily?
[14:05] <hawkal> Why might I be getting "Authentication Error" messages when booting to a custom ubuntu live disk? Also Is there a way I can find out? e.g logs/diagnostics?
[14:05] <DJones> Fuzzles: Ask that in #ubuntu+1 thats the support channel for the development version
[14:05] <usr13> dch: Have you read man ulimit ?
[14:06] <Fuzzles> DJones, thanks
[14:06] <KrisB> Hello, what does GDM2 actually do?
[14:07] <usr13> !GDM2 | KrisB
[14:07] <dch> usr13: yes. It points to bash, which tells me how to set it once off in the shell. It does not explain anything about /etc/sysctl.conf, limits.conf or anything else that *might* be involved. I've also found pam.d stuff but don't yet see how that should be involved.
[14:08] <dch> grepping /etc for ulimit doesn't show anything else that might be setting it. I'm lost.
[14:09] <usr13> dch: Did you read  man sysctl ?
[14:09] <KrisB> usr13: so I need to install it so I can change settings for login screen?
[14:09] <ryansipes> KrisB: GDM is the Gnome Display Manager
[14:10] <usr13> KrisB: Sorry, I don't know anything about GDM2
[14:10] <KrisB> usr13: all I want to do is to use AutoLogin somehow.
[14:11] <lolcat> If I SSH into a ubuntu with an encrypted home folder with an ssh-key-file, will the encrypted home folder be visible?
[14:11] <ryansipes> KrisB: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[14:12] <TakeItEZ> lolcat: no, unless you put your known_host/authorized_keys files somewhere outsie ~/.ssh in the unecrypted part
[14:12] <usr13> KrisB: "Open settings, select 'user accounts'. Click the unlock button, then change the Automatic Login switch to "On"  From: http://askubuntu.com/questions/210823/how-do-iset-automatic-login-in-ubuntu-12-10
[14:12] <TakeItEZ> outside
[14:12] <dch> usr13: I appreciate the pointers to man pages, but they are not helping, they are all runtime changes. Something is over-writing the settings in the various config files I am using, before the system has even started. Any ideas?
[14:12] <lolcat> TakeItEZ: So I can actually not log in through ssh? And I assume su won't let me see it either?
[14:12] <usr13> KrisB: "In users and groups choose your user, and click word "Change..." next to "Password:" (it does not look like a button, what might be a bit misleading). There you can change password, or at the bottom mark "Don't ask for password on login" box."  (Same place)
[14:13] <TakeItEZ> lolcat: you can, but you have to do some manual setup. check the forums/wiki, iirc there is some info on that
[14:13] <usr13> dch: Which config files?
[14:14] <lolcat> TakeItEZ: MY problem is: I have an encrypted home folder, but hasn't got the sligthes idea what the password is...
[14:14] <KrisB> user13: "Login without a password" under "action?"
[14:14] <lolcat> I was told bruteforcing sha-512 crypt isn't fesable
[14:15] <TakeItEZ> lolcat: well, you're lost then
[14:15] <jrib> lolcat: but you have the passphrase you were supposed to write down right?
[14:15] <ryansipes> KrisB: Yes, under action select "Login without a password"
[14:16] <DeadWeasel> Lolcat, you been ehre all night?
[14:16] <dch> usr13: echo * soft core 102400 >> /etc/security/limits.d/custom   and the same thing with hard.
[14:16] <lolcat> jrib: Uhm, I figured Id probably never need it
[14:16] <DeadWeasel> ohmagherd.  expensive learning mistake.
[14:16] <KrisB> ryansipes: thank you. another question. With CTRL + ALT + F1 clicking, I only see the command line, does it mean, that I disable GNOME or something?
[14:17] <usr13> dch: man limits.conf ?
[14:17] <MadEchidna> Hey so I just ran update manager and got a new kernel, and it broke my video driver
[14:17] <lolcat> a $2000 mistake :/
[14:17] <MadEchidna> using the stable AMD driver from the ubuntu driver tool, no special PPAs
[14:17] <jrib> lolcat: then your only hope is that you remember the password so that you can unlock the passphrase.  In my experience, this usually happens within a few days once you stop trying to remember it...
[14:17] <lolcat> jrib: I haven't used this password since some time back in 2011
[14:17] <usr13> MadEchidna: You can revert to the earlier kernel.  Or re-install the video driver.
[14:17] <jrib> lolcat: it's ok, same thing happened to me once
[14:18] <lolcat> jrib: also, at the time I liked random generated passwords
[14:18] <MadEchidna> usr13, so you think if i just switch to the open source driver and back to the amd one that'll fix it?
[14:18] <jrib> lolcat: then maybe you won't be as lucky
[14:18] <MadEchidna> how can I make it reinstall?
[14:18] <ryansipes> KrisB: F1 through F6 take you to different terminal sessions, but the display server is still running in the background.
[14:18] <usr13> MadEchidna:  mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[14:18] <MadEchidna> meh I guess this is a good opportunity to install that new beta driver
[14:19] <ryansipes> KrisB: If you hit CTRL + ALT + F7 it will take you back to your desktop, just the way you left it.
[14:19] <MadEchidna> gunna get me some of this action http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Claims-Up-to-300-Improvement-in-Team-Fortress-2-with-New-Driver-325128.shtml
[14:19] <usr13> MadEchidna: Yep
[14:19] <KrisB> ryansipes: is there a way to run the system without desktop, if you get what I mean.
[14:20] <MadEchidna> what it says at the bottom of the announcement that it requires xfree86
[14:20] <MadEchidna> that's a mistake right :P
[14:20] <ryansipes> KrisB: Yes, let me see if I can get you the instructions to boot into a session without the display server.
[14:21] <usr13> KrisB: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1624856/
[14:23] <usr13> KrisB: And I guess from there you can do startx or startxfce4 or...?  (I suppose there are several options.)
[14:23] <usr13> KrisB: ... that is, if you decide you wanna start a gui at some time or other.
[14:24] <ryansipes> KrisB: To supplement usr13, here is another resource http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[14:24] <KrisB> user13. So what this texediting does is changes GRUB (something I see after BIOS loads where I need to select the OS to run), right?
[14:25] <usr13> ryansipes: Thank you.
[14:26] <usr13> KrisB: No.  You'll be editing the grub config file so that it will be a perminate change.
[14:28] <KrisB> user13: and when GUI is on, like right now, is there a way to turn it off without rebooting pc?
[14:28] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: press ctrl-alt-f1,login, then "sudo service lightdm stop"
[14:28] <usr13> KrisB: Yes.  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[14:29] <usr13> KrisB: And to go another step forward, (in order to streamline);  Which ever you settle on, (when you DO use a GUI), you could set up a symlink to something shorter, (like gui).  i.e.  sudo ln -s /usr/bin/startxfce4 /usr/bin/gui
[14:29] <usr13> KrisB: And then, when you want the GUI, just type   gui  and hit Enter.
[14:30] <iNFiNiT__> startx
[14:30] <iNFiNiT__> start lightdm
[14:30] <iNFiNiT__> stop lightdm
[14:30] <usr13> KrisB: And yes, if you run lightdm, you can start and stop it as well.
[14:31] <iLOLyou_> How can I remove EFI from installer (USB pendrive Ubuntu 12.10)? isohybrid -offset 64 can work?
[14:31] <KrisB> user13: so ln -s creates a link, so i don't need to type long command?
[14:31] <iNFiNiT__> service very-user-friendly-graphical-user-interface start
[14:31] <usr13> KrisB: But, what I'm saying is, that you can bypass the Display Manager and just run the Desktop Enviornment if you want. (In most cases you can.)
[14:31] <nearst> hi all
[14:31] <iNFiNiT__> hello nearst
[14:32] <usr13> KrisB: Yes, nor will you need to login.  (As long is you are in the user's shell of your choice.)
[14:32] <usr13> KrisB: .... because youre already logged in ....
[14:34] <KeyboardNotFound> Hello, i use xubuntu 12.10 and Xchat 2.8.8, official xchat 2.8.9 is released but i don't have update alert for xchat, how to official update xchat using ubuntu packets ?
[14:34] <iLOLyou_> How can I remove EFI from installer (USB pendrive Ubuntu 12.10)? isohybrid -offset 64 can work?
[14:34] <usr13> KrisB: But, if you use lightdm, I think it will run as admin, ( iNFiNiT__ Correct me if I'm wrong).  You'll prolly need to use sudo to start or stop it.
[14:34] <KrisB> user13: you said "if you run lightdm". I am now a bit confused what the difference between lightdm and startxfce4
[14:35] <iNFiNiT__> KrisB: user 1 has always all admin rights   and so does root
[14:35] <craigbass1976> Isn't www-data the apache daemon user?  I unzipped wordpress in my laptop's /var/www, and when I browsed to it I could see that the install would start.  After I chowned everything from craig:craig to www-data:www-data though, I'm getting a 500 error.
[14:35] <usr13> KrisB: lightdm is a Display Manager.   xfce is a Desktop Environment
[14:35] <iNFiNiT__> usr13:  if you start lightdm  it will start as the user you are already logged in
[14:36] <usr13> iNFiNiT__: Not true.
[14:36] <iNFiNiT__> usr13: what's not true
[14:36] <usr13> iNFiNiT__: User does not have admin rights.
[14:36] <usr13> iNFiNiT__: That is the job of sudo
[14:36] <iNFiNiT__> the first user in ubuntu is always the user that haves all rights   YES it's in the sudoers group
[14:36] <usr13> .... to afford user admin rights ...
[14:37] <iNFiNiT__> the rest of the users are not directly in the sudoers group by default that's what i meant
[14:37] <iNFiNiT__> usr13: i'm afk. good luck.
[14:37] <lantizia> Do you think Canonical would give a crap if I started a project called ShipIt?
[14:37] <TakeItEZ> lantizia: ask them
[14:37] <lantizia> TakeItEZ, how?
[14:38] <KeyboardNotFound> Hello, i use xubuntu 12.10 and Xchat 2.8.8, official xchat 2.8.9 is released but i don't have update alert for xchat, how to official update xchat using ubuntu packets ?
[14:38] <TakeItEZ> lantizia: www.canonical.com contact   or whatever, it is offtopic here
[14:40] <KrisB> use13: So which one  - Desktop Manager or Desktop environment am I supposed to stop/start to turn off desktop?
[14:40] <usr13> iNFiNiT__: It is the admin group.  If a user is included in the admin line in the /etc/group file, he or she will be allowed to use sudo to run all admin commands.
[14:40] <TakeItEZ> usr13: the sudo-group since 12.04
[14:40] <usr13> afik
[14:40] <MadEchidna> so anyone else here running the AMD beta driver?
[14:40] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Ok.  Well, thanks for that.  Didn't know.
[14:41] <MadEchidna> I installed it, and I have a watermark that says AMD Testing use only and 3d with a circle and a slash over it
[14:41] <MadEchidna> i can't get unity to load and I don't think I have hardware accel
[14:41] <circle> so I can't really block wine
[14:42] <usr13> KrisB: As far as Desktop Manager or Desktop Environment, it is your choice.  As I said before, some (but not all), Desktop Environments can be run without a Desktop Manager.
[14:42] <MadEchidna> what's your take on this usr13
[14:43] <usr13> MadEchidna: I dono
[14:43] <DeadWeasel> how would I a debug log from the command line?   $  program --debug debug.log?
[14:43] <MadEchidna> oh well I guess I'll go back to the stable driver for now ;(
[14:44] <usr13> KrisB: So, if your DE of choice is xfce and you run startxfce4 and it starts and runs ok, just use it that way. (If there is no need for a Desktop Manager, don't use it.)
[14:44] <bharath> when I am build gnome , I got this error "No package 'libsystemd-login' found" , I searched for this , I found a deb file but unable to install ,
[14:44] <bharath> can anyone help me to install libsystemd-login
[14:45] <KrisB> usr13 : so startxfce4  starts Desktop Environment. RIght? What stops Desktop Enviroment?
[14:46] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: just exit the session
[14:46] <usr13> KrisB: Probably just    Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[14:46] <usr13> KrisB: Or, yea, you can click for option to Log Out or Shut-down etc.
[14:46] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Thanks again.
[14:48] <KrisB> usr13: but what if I don't want to log out, just to turn off Desktop Environment with still being logged in?
[14:48] <craigbass1976> Isn't www-data the apache daemon user?  I unzipped wordpress in my laptop's /var/www, and when I browsed to it I could see that the install would start.  After I chowned everything from craig:craig to www-data:www-data though, I'm getting a 500 error.
[14:48] <usr13> KrisB: You can click for option to Log Out or Shut-down etc.
[14:49] <jrib> craigbass1976: by default www-data is the user that apache runs as, yes
[14:49] <usr13> KrisB: As TakeItEZ points out, you can just  "exit the session".
[14:49] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: if you started "startx" it won't ask "logout", it just will "exit" into the console
[14:50] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: why don't you just test it and see the difference from being logged in by lightdm ( or any other DM)
[14:50] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Well, I think that depends on the Desktop Environment's particular options.
[14:50] <TakeItEZ> usr13: no
[14:50] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Well, maybe not.  Don't know for sure.
[14:50] <Physicist> Later I had deleted one partition with gparted, my other system does not start. ak me a grub.. How fix with a live cd?
[14:50] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Are you telling, or asking?  "no"
[14:51] <usr13> TakeItEZ: I think that depends on the Desktop Environment's particular options.
[14:51] <Physicist> histo?
[14:51] <TakeItEZ> usr13: at least non of the x-sessions i run in years asked me if i want logout, they all just have an "exit" option
[14:52] <usr13> TakeItEZ: Ok, well, he'll find out when he gets there.
[14:52] <KrisB> TakeItEz: Yea, I've copied and pasted all you and usr13 wrote into a text file. I'll test it out. Thank you. :)
[14:52] <KrisB> usr13  -  thank you, too:)
[14:53] <usr13> NP
[14:53] <Physicist> Later I had deleted one partition with gparted, my other system does not start. ask me a grub.. How fix with a live cd?
[14:53] <usr13> Gotta go folks.  It's been fun/interesting.
[14:53] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: press ctrl-alt-f1,login, then "sudo service lightdm stop", test it, if unhappy, "exit", "sudo service ligtdm start"to get a graphical login again
[14:54] <Physicist> Anybody ?
[14:55] <Physicist> Later I had deleted one partition with gparted, my other system does not start. ask me a grub.. How fix with a live cd?
[14:55] <TakeItEZ> !patience | Physicist
[14:55] <johnkingerstinge> hello iam trying to dual boot with ufei system i disabled the ufei system and installed windows 7 on legacy mode but once i boot up ubuntu live cd it doesnt detect the windows 7 partitans
[14:56] <johnkingerstinge> physicist you could use boot-repair
[14:56] <johnkingerstinge> to fix grub
[14:56] <d3xter> hey guys
[14:57] <johnkingerstinge> hello iam trying to dual boot with ufei system i disabled the ufei system and installed windows 7 on legacy mode but once i boot up ubuntu live cd it doesnt detect the windows 7 partitans
[14:57] <d3xter> when i try the run dvb with mplayer, it always skips "adapter0", and when i add a symlink from "adapter1" -> "adapter0" it skippsin both when probing for dvb-cards. any hints?
[14:58] <johnkingerstinge> d3xter you be in the ffmpeg channel dont u
[14:59] <d3xter> johnkingerstinge: this bug happens in ubuntu ;)
[14:59] <johnkingerstinge> i remeber seeing u there one day
[15:00] <Physicist> johnkingerstinge, how can I do it
[15:00] <johnkingerstinge> open a terminal type sudo apt-get install boot-repair
[15:00] <d3xter> johnkingerstinge: that must be a very long time ago :)
[15:02] <johnkingerstinge> hello iam trying to dual boot with ufei system i disabled the ufei system and installed windows 7 on legacy mode but once i boot up ubuntu live cd it doesnt detect the windows 7 partitans
[15:04] <johnkingerstinge> guess everyone is sleep
[15:05] <lewowpard> haha wassup john
[15:05] <johnkingerstinge> nothing just need a little help installing ubuntu
[15:05] <crocket> hi
[15:06] <crocket> how do I add a custom launcher in ubnutu unity? I use ubuntu 12.10
[15:06] <crocket> I can't directly add a .desktop file to the unity launcher bar.
[15:07] <MadEchidna> Well I figured it out
[15:07] <MadEchidna> too bad usr13 is gon
[15:07] <cian> would you like your coffee scripted to cook with one click and to be delivered to you by parachute while you pee with just one click and so you can swear to windows that it has virus because you watch porn
[15:07] <MadEchidna> I didn't have the current kernel headers
[15:08] <johnkingerstinge> trying to dual boot with ufei system i disabled the ufei system and installed windows 7 on legacy mode but once i boot up ubuntu live cd it doesnt detect the windows 7 partitans
[15:08] <MadEchidna> kind of lame that Ubuntu doesn't update that with the kernel, pretty much anyone using the amd driver from the driver tool on a clean install of 12.10 has broken drivers if they did that kernel update and didn't know to update the headers manually
[15:09] <Guest78878> ok
[15:09] <johnkingerstinge> i cant even install it right now i hate this uefi shit
[15:09] <Physicist> johnkingerstinge, my conection failed.
[15:09] <Physicist> johnkingerstinge, I am right in live cd. Do you have some instructions?
[15:10] <Guest78878> i want to ask about some commande
[15:10] <johnkingerstinge> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:10] <mapg1964> how can i  install ubuntu on my windows 7 machine without loosing windows 7?
[15:10] <johnkingerstinge> mapg its called dual boot
[15:10] <mapg1964> exactly
[15:10] <johnkingerstinge> just pop the ubuntu live cd in and follow the instructions
[15:10] <mapg1964> but what do i have to do?
[15:11] <johnkingerstinge> it should say install  ubuntu along side windows 7
[15:11] <hybirdd> boop, hi everyobody
[15:11] <johnkingerstinge> atleast thats how it goes i dont have that option -__- since i have an uefi motherboard
[15:12] <mapg1964> i don't have an ubuntu live cd, can i just download and create one?
[15:12] <jpds> mapg1964: Yes.
[15:12] <MarKsaitis> why on damn earth library management is made complicated? When you install a package from repo it install libs in /lib/* when you install same soft from source, libs are in /usr/local/softname/libs/*   why on earth not to make these packages less complicated and leaving the way devs created them and just use ld.so.conf and tell it where the crap is... otherwise some software bundles which half need to be installed from sources and other half from rep
[15:12] <MarKsaitis> os get damn stupid!!!!!!
[15:12] <Guest78878> i want to be a hacker and i have no idea about this so i want some help
[15:12] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Erm, not that's not how it's handled on Ubuntu.
[15:12] <johnkingerstinge> lol ubuntu wont help u become a hacker
[15:12] <mapg1964> where csn i download it?
[15:13] <jpds> mapg1964: http://www.ubuntu.com
[15:13] <hybirdd> ubuntu.com/download
[15:13] <TakeItEZ> MarKsaitis: its not ubuntus fault that you miss to set PREFIX as you want it to be
[15:13] <johnkingerstinge> anyone know how to install ubuntu alongside windows 7 on an uefi system
[15:13] <MarKsaitis> jpds, erm, it actually is! I see it now in action
[15:14] <johnkingerstinge> i disabled uefi in bios and installed windows 7
[15:14] <johnkingerstinge> but it still wont dectect the part
[15:14] <mapg1964> ok I'm at www.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <MarKsaitis> TakeItEZ, first of all!!!!!!!! Source built soft cannot go on / !!! So I am just ignoring whatever you said.
[15:14] <mapg1964> what option, there are many
[15:15] <jpds> MarKsaitis: OK, you're doing something wrong, otherwise everyone else would be complaining.
[15:15] <johnkingerstinge> no help?
[15:15] <MarKsaitis> and jpds , samba4 from sources installs libs to /usr/local/samba/libs/ whereas for example package libgensec0 installs libs in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[15:16] <hybirdd> johnkingerstinge: afaik you can multi boot with uefi but then you'd have to build grub2 yourself
[15:16] <mapg1964> so i just download the windows installer?
[15:16] <hybirdd> sure mapg1964
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> it all the rest agrees to something, it doesn't mean it's true. Maybe nobody else cares about this problem. And my problem is very complicated. But I just gave you the end conclusion of it
[15:16] <jpds> MarKsaitis: No, apt-file list samba4 shows me that samba4 puts libs in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/ .
[15:17] <johnkingerstinge> hybirdd so what do you think i should do i disabled UEFI
[15:17] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Sounds like you forgot to put: --prefix=/usr when you ran ./configure.
[15:17] <MarKsaitis> yeah, I meant /usr before lib
[15:17] <mapg1964> should i partition the harddrive mannually or the windows installer will guide me to do that?
[15:17] <MarKsaitis> jpds, my samba went to /usr/local/samba which is ok
[15:17] <hybirdd> mapg1964: windows installer will take care of everything
[15:17] <hybirdd> johnkingerstinge: i wish i could tell really… I've always virtualised my stuff.
[15:18] <johnkingerstinge> this is really fustrating -__- it wont let meinstall it
[15:18] <johnkingerstinge> i parted the drive
[15:18] <johnkingerstinge> and when i go to install it says free space
[15:18] <hybirdd> johnkingerstinge: have you actually applied it ?
[15:19] <hybirdd> johnkingerstinge: and also created an EFI partition?
[15:19] <hybirdd> johnkingerstinge: i.e https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#General_principle
[15:19] <johnkingerstinge> i didnt see the need to since i disabled it
[15:19] <MeanEYE> Is anyone capable of editing Ubuntu wiki? Information about Wayland is not correct. To be more specific about X.org being network transparent.
[15:20] <jpds> MeanEYE: Log into it.
[15:20] <MeanEYE> jpds: Trying. But times out :/
[15:20] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally. Would you be able to point me out to some software? Thanks.
[15:20] <hybirdd> MeanEYE: their SSO system is kaput
[15:20] <MeanEYE> hybirdd: Thanks!
[15:21] <hybirdd> so currently you can't login until they have fixed it
[15:21] <mapg1964> what desktop environment should i pick for someone that is used to a windows desktop?
[15:21] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally.
[15:21] <ivotkl> Oops, sorry. =P
[15:21] <sirspazzolot> roughly how big must my cd be work as a livecd?
[15:21] <johnkingerstinge> when i go into gparted it shows disk as unallocated
[15:21] <sirspazzolot> not sure if and how much stuff in the iso is compressed
[15:21] <mAniAk-_-> sirspazzolot: rougly a string large
[15:21] <ivotkl> mapg1964, you can try Mint with gnome.
[15:21] <ivotkl> It is very similar.
[15:21] <johnkingerstinge> and i know i have windows 7 installed
[15:21] <hybirdd> MeanEYE: should work though if you give it enough time
[15:21] <sirspazzolot> har har. is ~750mb good
[15:22] <johnkingerstinge> why is it not detecting the windows 7 partitan
[15:22] <MeanEYE> hybirdd: Yeah. I can see that. It's awefully slow though.
[15:22] <hybirdd> anyway MeanEYE if you can /msg me what needs to be changed i'll do it for you
[15:22] <Computer1> i am not able to use one header file which is in some other dir in my C code..
[15:22] <Computer1> what to be done..??someone please suggest!
[15:23] <MeanEYE> hybirdd: Private? Or I can do it here?
[15:23] <mapg1964> i don't see adesktop in the list that says mint or gnome
[15:23] <hybirdd> MeanEYE: private because otherwise by the time ive edited 1 thing the rest scrolled off my screen :p
[15:25] <mapg1964> should i just pick 'ubuntu desktop'?
[15:26] <mapg1964> ivotkl are you there?
[15:26] <jemadux> any firefox popup blocker ?
[15:27] <iceroot> jemadux: the default one on firefox, also see #firefox
[15:27] <johnkingerstinge> adblock plus is agood one
[15:32] <raven_> bash scripting: how to force closing a running tool after a specific time?
[15:33] <iceroot> raven_: #bash
[15:34] <yacks> Does anyone played with zerovm /Ubuntu?
[15:34] <mapg1964> my installer say downloading amd64 , will that work with any processor family?
[15:34] <yacks> zerovm - http://zerovm.org
[15:39] <gaelfx> how can I see which module is currently being used for my wireless card?
[15:41] <SaHiB> hi, if got problems setting up my BIND9 as primary master on my samba4 on ubuntu12.10 server. after trying to do so, bind wont restart. syslog says: "samba_dlz: Failed to configure zone 'test.local'". Has anybody an idea where to start debugging, or what the problem might be?
[15:46] <_pr0t0type_> Hey guys.  Do you any of you know what utils package the 'make' utiility is part of?  I checked coreutils and binutils with no luck.  Is it more of a standalone
[15:47] <Pici> _pr0t0type_: not sure exactly, but it will be part of the build-essential metapackage
[15:47] <jrib> _pr0t0type_: "make"
[15:47] <Pici> or that
[15:47] <jrib> but yes, you probably want build-essential anyway
[15:47] <mandoguit> gaelfx:   might want to check out inxi    http://code.google.com/p/inxi/     saves a lot of hassle when trying to determine system information
[15:47] <_pr0t0type_> I see
[15:47] <_pr0t0type_> Will do, thanks guys
[15:48] <gaelfx> mandoguit: thanks, but I think lsmod is what I was looking for :P
[15:49] <mandoguit> gaelfx:  yep....all the tools for determining such are install but as you just experienced you need to keep track of the names/functions of the individual pieces....  inxi goes a long way to eliminating that process.   anyways, fwiw, ymmv etc etc  :)
[15:51] <cnb_> I'm having MASSIVE problems installing Munin on Ubuntu 12.10 from the distro
[15:51] <cnb_> And the Munin mailing list swears up and down, right and left, that it's a distro problem
[15:52] <cnb_> They said "You can go about fixing it by reporting it back to the packager (ubuntu).  Or choose a different distro which doesn't have this bug. If you want to use Ubuntu, then you need to be willing to tolerate their (seeming) lack of QA."
[15:52] <cnb_> So here I am
[15:52] <cnb_> Is this the right place to get help?
[15:53] <dch> usr13: for info, apport and whoopsie consume the core dump files.
[15:53] <nedbat> what's the best channel to ask AppArmor questions?
[15:53] <TakeItEZ> !ask |cnb
[15:54] <cnb_> !ask
[15:54] <atxq> what is the short cut for the window spread? I want to preview all open applications at once
[15:55] <nedbat> I'd like to use AppArmor to run untrusted code, but I want a number running at once, each isolated from each other. If I want to let them write files, is there a way with one AppArmor profile to have them each have a directory they can write to, but not be able to write on each other's?
[15:56] <cnb_> I've installed Munin 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.10, and munin-cgi-html produces URLs which do not contain /cgi-bin/munin-cgi-graph despite having cgiurl_graph set.  How can I get munin-cgi-graph running and called correctly?
[15:56] <atxq> holding down the super key does not show the window spread short
[15:59] <gaelfx> mandoguit: precisely
[15:59] <zivester> is there a way to change the primary usergroup and apply it without logging out/in ?
[15:59] <xangua> atxq: super+w
[15:59] <atxq> thanks
[16:00] <cnb_> !patience | cnb
[16:00] <atxq> just figured it out here hold down the super key a second time
[16:00] <ivotkl> mapg1964, sorry I was AFK and forgot about this. =P
[16:01] <SaHiB> hi, if got problems setting up my BIND9 as primary master on my samba4 on ubuntu12.10 server. after trying to do so, bind wont restart. syslog says: "samba_dlz: Failed to configure zone 'test.local'". Has anybody an idea where to start debugging, or what the problem might be?
[16:01] <ivotkl> mapg1964, Mint is an OS, just like Ubuntu. Desktops are Gnome, KDE, X and so on.
[16:02] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally.
[16:03] <ivotkl> I know this is Ubuntu's channel, but any low-resources consumption program should work under Raspbian.
[16:03] <crocket> How do I close nexuiz?
[16:03] <crocket> I can't close it.
[16:03] <crocket> Alt+F4 doesn't work.
[16:03] <n4rut0r31> kill the process
[16:03] <Lofde_> is there a way to hide the mouse cursor ?
[16:03] <h00k> ivotkl: if you're not running it under Ubuntu, then this isn't quite the place to ask
[16:04] <ivotkl> crocket, try to do: killall nexuiz
[16:04] <crocket> ivotkl : I can't, my keyboard is tied to nexuiz.
[16:04] <ivotkl> h00k, thank you. I have found #raspbian channel exists.
[16:04] <crocket> It's a game.
[16:04] <ivotkl> and how come you can type here?
[16:04] <crocket> ivotkl : I have another computer.
[16:04] <ivotkl> mouse or anything?
[16:04] <carlom61>  Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database **** guys, anybody?
[16:04] <ivotkl> Oh, dumb question mine. =P
[16:05] <thunkee> ivotkl: in #raspberrypi are lot of folks that may have more experience in functional apps on a rpi
[16:05] <ivotkl> carlom61, have you tried chmod?
[16:05] <ivotkl> thunkee, thanks I'm already on Raspbian's OS channel (#raspbian).
[16:05] <crocket> damn
[16:06] <ivotkl> crocket, is there any mouse or anything in game? I would recommend going to official website's forum of the game or check if there is any manual.
[16:06] <carlom61> nope, it was working yesterday, today it's down, cant login in PhpMyAdmin either
[16:07] <ivotkl> crocket: ctrl+x? alt+F4? ctrl+alt+supr to switch off computer directly? ctrl+alt+T? alt+tab? Nothing?
[16:07] <ivotkl> HAve you googled the problem?
[16:07] <crocket> ivotkl : I googled it.
[16:09] <crocket> ivotkl : None of the key combinations works.
[16:09] <melty> lol
[16:09] <labsin> crocket: do a ctrl-alt-f1
[16:09] <labsin> crocket: should always work
[16:09] <crocket> labsin : That works, but that means "killall nexuiz" on a virtual terminal.
[16:09] <labsin> yes
[16:09] <crocket> It's not a clean exit strategy.
[16:09] <labsin> no
[16:10] <labsin> For a way to exit it, you should go to the program's site
[16:11] <crocket> labsin : never mind. After making it a fullscreen window, I found "quit" at the bottom.
[16:11] <crocket> In the window mode, the vertical dimension is too long to fit in the screen.
[16:14] <lupus_> Hey hey, does anyone know the state of ubuntu arm version? Is it possible to install ubuntu on arm tablet?
[16:14] <carlom61> can somebody help me in PM with MySql and PhpMyAdmin please?
[16:15] <n4rut0r31> what is your problem? carlom61
[16:15] <Senjai> !tell us about ask
[16:15] <Senjai> !ask
[16:16] <carlom61> I cannot connect to phpMyAdmin anylonger altough credentials are correct
[16:16] <carlom61> was working up until yesterday
[16:16] <kimphill> lupus_, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+arm+tablet
[16:16] <Senjai> carlom61: saying 'doesn't work' doesnt help us help you. Do you have a specific error
[16:16] <lupus_> ..
[16:16] <TakeItEZ> carlom61: check what changed from yesterday, ask your database admin if he did any changes
[16:17] <TakeItEZ> kimphill: don't use lmgtfy here please
[16:17] <carlom61> i am on localhost and i'm the admin
[16:17] <Senjai> TakeItEZ: if he's trying to access phpmyadmin, he is the admin lol
[16:17] <Senjai> carlom61: what error did it give you
[16:17] <Senjai> WAIT
[16:17] <Senjai> this is ubuntu
[16:17] <Senjai> sorry
[16:17] <Senjai> You need to go to ##php
[16:17] <Senjai> or #phpmyadmin
[16:17] <carlom61> #1045 Cannot log in to the MySQL server
[16:18] <carlom61> right
[16:18] <Senjai> carlom61: this is an ubuntu support channel, not a php or phpymadmin support channel
[16:18] <carlom61> that's why I've asked if somebody can help in PM :)
[16:18] <Senjai> phpmyadmin has their own channel at #phpmyadmin
[16:18] <OerHeks> lupus_, on arm7 you can, join #ubuntu-arm for support
[16:18] <Senjai> carlom61: Im in all of those channels, Forgot this was #ubuntu
[16:19] <KrisB> When I run some program like VLC player from Terminal, the program closes as I close the Terminal window. How to avoid this and keep program running?
[16:19] <OerHeks> KrisB, use " vlc &  " to avoid that
[16:19] <Gnea> KrisB: minimize the terminal, don't close it
[16:19] <Nach0z> um
[16:19] <Nach0z> nohup
[16:19] <Nach0z> use nohup
[16:19] <TakeItEZ> KrisB: vlc &disown
[16:19] <Nach0z> KrisB: "nohup vlc &"
[16:20] <KrisB> Okay. so which one of the mentioned use?;D
[16:20] <Senjai> KrisB: you need to learn how linux works with processes
[16:20] <Senjai> KrisB: Every process that starts another becomes its parent
[16:20] <Cadmus> Hello, I've got a newish 12.04 install and there's something that's bothering me. I've put an e-mail address in /root/.forward and the only rule in /etc/aliases is "postmaster: root", but the output of cron jobs is going to the unpriv'd user. Why is it doing this and can it be stopped?
[16:21] <Senjai> when the parent dies, the child dies to, unless it is orphaned to init
[16:21] <Nach0z> KrisB: flip a coin. most of them work. I'd suggest nohup, because I use it a lot.
[16:21] <Senjai> KrisB: every process in Linux/GNU must have a parent.
[16:21] <KrisB> Senjai: okay - do you know any good resources to learn about processes?
[16:21] <TakeItEZ> Cadmus: add "root:  you@example.com" into alieases
[16:21] <Gnea> Senjai: this is why nohup, & and minimization exist.
[16:22] <Senjai> KrisB: Yes, check out the linux system administrators guide at tldp.org
[16:22] <Senjai> Gnea: I wanted to explain why his method didnt work, rather than giving him the answer directly
[16:22] <Senjai> Gnea people don't learn when you just say do x to get y.
[16:22] <Gnea> Senjai: fair enough. not everyone is looking for an answer like that, though.
[16:22] <nedbat> I've asked a few AppArmor questions here over the last few days, and haven't gotten responses.  Does anyone have a suggestion of a different channel that could help?
[16:22] <Cadmus> TakeItEZ: By default does it  push it to user 1000 or something? brb
[16:23] <Senjai> Gnea: I know, but I'm not bound by a SOP on how to give advice :) We're all volunteers, we can all advise in our own means.
[16:23] <Gnea> Senjai: but yes, it is nice when people actually WANT to take the time to learn it properly.
[16:23] <Gnea> Senjai: :-)
[16:23] <KrisB> Nach0z - and what nuhup does?
[16:23] <melty> lol
[16:23] <Senjai> Gnea: IMO if they dont, they aren't worth my time, and will eventually fall out of Linux/GNU anyway.
[16:23] <KrisB> *nohup.
[16:23] <Senjai> Gnea: Linux/GNU requires a 'want' to learn
[16:24] <Senjai> KrisB: just use the ampersand, it should be fine.
[16:24] <Gnea> KrisB: nohup isn't really required
[16:25] <KrisB> Senjai: and what is the logic under the ampersand (how does that differ from when used without it)?
[16:25] <Senjai> KrisB: It determins who becomes the parent of the process you're starting
[16:25] <Senjai> KrisB: without it the parent of the process becomes the current terminal session you're using
[16:25] <Cadmus> TakeItEZ: Hmm, still doing the same thing
[16:26] <Senjai> KrisB: in good practice, its usually good to only use it for applications you know are stable, until you learn how to kill processes manually.
[16:26] <KrisB> Senjai: so who becomes parent with ampersand useage?
[16:26] <Cadmus> Feb  8 16:24:01 cad-vbox postfix/local[4148]: E058A45E1F: to=<cadmus@cad-vbox>, orig_to=<cadmus>, relay=local, delay=0.19, delays=0.16/0/0/0.04, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
[16:26] <nnull> since when does youtube require flash :s
[16:27] <TakeItEZ> Cadmus: hrm, you want root to receice mails? why? root never should read any mails, so the delivery to a non-priv user is ok. if you don't want cron-notifications, set MAILTO in crontab
[16:27] <nnull> nvm im thinking of gvideo
[16:27] <Senjai> KrisB: never really looked into it. I'd like to say init
[16:27] <BluesKaj> nnull, youtube without flash , that would be a godsend
[16:27] <Senjai> KrisB: but, you can always find out
[16:27] <Senjai> KrisB: start a process with &
[16:28] <Senjai> KrisB: then run top and find out who its parent is
[16:28] <Cadmus> TakeItEZ: It's more that the mail is forwarding correctly from root to the external address I put in /etc/aliases, but it's _also_ routing to the local user, is that because that user is in adm or something?
[16:28] <Senjai> KrisB: Linux is about problem solving yourself, when you can xD
[16:28] <KrisB> Senjai: I have webmin installed. I can try to look there for running procceses.
[16:29] <BluesKaj> nnull, you can try the youtube html5 trial , it doesn't use flash
[16:29] <nnull> BluesKaj, oh
[16:30] <Senjai> KrisB: Actually, just with & it becomes a product of the shell just in the background (you can bring it into foreground with fg
[16:30] <nnull> Doesnt seem to work BluesKaj :s
[16:30] <TakeItEZ> Cadmus: sry no idea
[16:31] <Senjai> KrisB: webmin?
[16:31] <Senjai> KrisB: Is that a shell?
[16:31] <zykotick9> !webmin | Senjai
[16:31] <BluesKaj> nnull, have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[16:31] <Cadmus> TakeItEZ: Thanks anyway, must be some sort of default option somewhere
[16:31] <nnull> BluesKaj, nah never do, why something in there i need? lol
[16:32] <Senjai> zykotick9: why'd you link that to me
[16:32] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:32] <KrisB> zykotic9 - i just liked it when I first used Ubuntu a few years ago. I makes esier
[16:32] <zykotick9> Senjai: "webmin? / Is that a shell?"
[16:32] <KrisB> easier to manage Apache.
[16:32] <Senjai> zykotick9: you should link it to the person who's actually using it
[16:33] <Senjai> KrisB: Anyways, you saw the link from zyko
[16:33] <KrisB> Senjai: that's me :D
[16:33] <nnull> i activated the html trial, but the links are the same, and still asks for flash :s
[16:33] <bekks> !webmin | KrisB
[16:33] <nnull> wonder if i have cookies enabled, surely i do lol
[16:33] <bekks> KrisB: You should not use webmin anymore.
[16:33] <KrisB> bekks: any alternative?
[16:33] <hatake> how to fix this http://dpaste.com/915775/
[16:33] <nnull> lol i remember webmin
[16:34] <bekks> KrisB: ssh + cli. :)
[16:34] <Senjai>  bekks: whats the CLI part of it? I just use SSh
[16:34] <iceroot> Senjai: ssh will open a shell, also called "command line interface"
[16:34] <KrisB> bekks: that way I need to learn the commands, dont I?
[16:34] <bekks> Senjai: the cli part are the userland programs you use via ssh.
[16:35] <Senjai> bekks: DERP
[16:35] <iceroot> KrisB: that way you have to learn how to admin a server
[16:35] <bekks> KrisB: You should know them, when using a fancy gui, too.
[16:35] <Senjai> bekks: yea, lol, wow
[16:35] <BluesKaj> nnull, well if you want to watch youtube even without flash you'll still need tyo install the restricted extars as expalined in the URLs i poster above
[16:35] <morph3k> well
[16:35] <BluesKaj> posted
[16:35] <morph3k> i might possibly be the only person to have ever overloaded a linux VM to where it wont start
[16:35] <morph3k> lol
[16:36] <iceroot> nnull: have a look at "minitube" its a native youtube client for ubuntu
[16:36] <bekks> morph3k: Define "overloading" in this context please.
[16:36] <KrisB> bekks: right. I always check what ACTUALLY happened afterwards. But at the beginning it's easier to manage servers, experiment when i'm dump at those things.
[16:36] <nnull> iceroot, will it work if i dont have flash? lol
[16:36] <morph3k> it wont boot up
[16:36] <morph3k> sec bekks ill show u
[16:36] <nnull> BluesKaj, the link u sent me says i need WebM for firefox4, which i have?
[16:37] <bekks> KrisB: How can you even tell wether something even happened without knowing the commands?
[16:37] <iceroot> nnull: you dont need flash
[16:37] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/nrze bekks
[16:37] <iceroot> nnull: minitube  is  a native YouTube client. With it you can watch YouTube videos in a new way: you type a keyword, Minitube gives you an endless video  stream.  Mini‐ tube does not require the Flash Player.
[16:37] <morph3k> been sitting right there for 20 minutes
[16:37] <nnull> oh cool iceroot
[16:37] <nnull> cheers
[16:38] <BluesKaj> postedthere a lot of other media codecs included in thay url , nnull , not just webm
[16:38] <morph3k> debian/fedora and other ubuntu VM started up fine
[16:38] <KrisB> bekks: in some cases webmin shows what command has been run. it's just you don't need to type it yourself. you can see a huge view of possibilities what can you even do.
[16:38] <bekks> morph3k: How is that picture related to "overloading"?
[16:38] <morph3k> um
[16:38] <morph3k> its not booting
[16:38] <morph3k> so im assuming that it has to much strain on it
[16:38] <morph3k> for some reason
[16:38] <bekks> KrisB: webmin was a mess, it is pointless to discuss about it any further.
[16:39] <morph3k> bekks: u know whats up with the last 2 messages?
[16:39] <iceroot> !webmin
[16:39] <morph3k> the mounting network filesystems
[16:39] <KrisB> bekks: okay. just wanted to know if there is alternative, instead of having to type everything by myself. :)
[16:40] <iceroot> KrisB: if you are not able to admin a server because you dont know what you are doing and need a gui for it i would recommend not to manage a server (sorry)
[16:40] <TakeItEZ> !ebox | KrisB
[16:40] <iceroot> KrisB: let an admin handle it
[16:41] <morph3k> anything think they can help me out with this? http://snapplr.com/nrze
[16:43] <KrisB> iceroot: i want to learn it. so I'm just experimenting. Though I understand what you're trying to say. I'm really up for learning everything manually.
[16:44] <bekks> morph3k: Did you try booting the safe mode?
[16:45] <hatake> can help my how to fix this http://dpaste.com/915775/
[16:45] <morph3k> tried bekks but it goe sto fast
[16:45] <morph3k> isnt giving me the chance
[16:46] <jrib> hatake: that error is almost comical
[16:46] <bekks> morph3k: Then you are just too slow.
[16:46] <bekks> morph3k: You have to press esc or shift to get into the grub menu.
[16:46] <hatake> so how to fix im beginner jrib
[16:46] <bekks> morph3k: Else, you have to use a live cd to edit the grub boot menu.
[16:46] <jrib> hatake: where did you get oracle-java7-installer from?
[16:47] <zykotick9> jrib: terrrtertetetertertertertertertertertertretrtbh ;)
[16:47] <hatake> yes i know, but how to fix, plz
[16:47] <jrib> zykotick9: heh
[16:47] <xangua> !java | hatake
[16:47] <zykotick9> jrib: sorry, a joke.  that's where hatake got java from ;)
[16:48] <Senjai> LOL
[16:48] <Senjai> That error
[16:48] <Senjai> IdleOne: why so idle.
[16:50] <jrib> zykotick9: "heh" was me laughing :)
[16:50] <jrib> hatake: have you tried removing the oracle-java7-installer package?
[16:50] <Senjai> wow jrib you've been here a long time
[16:51] <hatake> jrib, apt-get remove  oracle-java7-installer ?
[16:51] <jrib> Senjai: eh?
[16:51] <Senjai> jrib: just went over the access list
[16:51] <jrib> oh
[16:52] <Senjai> number 4, must have been here ages xD
[16:52] <Guest92200> how run skype on 12.4
[16:52] <PrincessLuna> Anyone has experience whether multi touch gestures work on Ubuntu using an Atmel Maxtouch sensor?
[16:52] <xangua> Guest92200: install it from software center or go to skype.com
[16:53] <hatake> jrib, i use this tutorial http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-install-java-7-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
[16:53] <jrib> hatake: yes, what happens when you try to remove it?
[16:54] <hatake> and this eror http://dpaste.com/915863/ jrib
[16:54] <hatake> jrib, remove done
[16:55] <jrib> hatake: you should be able to install the other packages you were trying to install now.  As for these latest warnings, you should disable the cdrom and the ppa that's no longer available in your software sources.  And see ubottu if you still want java
[16:55] <jrib> !java | hatake
[16:56] <hatake> ubottu, http://dpaste.com/915863/
[16:56] <hatake> damn ubottu bot
[16:57] <zykotick9> jrib: re:hatake i'd guess that brianmercer ppa that is 404ing is the webupd8 ppa, that (s)he is trying to install from...  just a wild guess though.
[16:59] <hatake> zykotick9, yep true
[17:01] <coreyman> I am on ubuntu 12.10 using empathy... I am unable to see offline contacts, where is the setting?
[17:05] <sybariten> okay, i know this is in swedish but its rather short and should be more or less obvious if you understand more about bash than me. How is this supposed to work? Or is it a page that has been altered?  http://ubuntu.se/threads/17398-Ladda-ned-SVT-Play
[17:06] <sybariten> the sections in bold read "install rtmpdumd", "then put the following script in your home", and "And then in the terminal"
[17:06] <sybariten> i dont understand how the script, which is basicly just comments , relates to the terminal thing
[17:09] <area51pilot> join /#ubuntu-1
[17:09] <area51pilot> join/ #ubuntu-1
[17:09] <cnb_> I've installed Munin 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.10, and munin-cgi-html produces URLs which do not contain /cgi-bin/munin-cgi-graph despite having cgiurl_graph set.  How can I get munin-cgi-graph running and called correctly?
[17:09] <area51pilot> :P
[17:09] <Pici> area51pilot: /join #ubuntu+1
[17:09] <area51pilot> its been a while ... thx Pici   :P
[17:10] <area51pilot> .
[17:11] <GabMus> hello
[17:11] <GabMus> i need some help
[17:11] <labsin> ty Gabmus
[17:11] <GabMus> i want to completely wipe my macbook to install ubuntu on a single partition
[17:11] <morph3k> oh shit
[17:11] <morph3k> bekks
[17:11] <GabMus> now, i know macs normally use a guid partition table
[17:12] <morph3k> i think im getting into set up
[17:12] <GabMus> but what if i want to use mbr?
[17:12] <FlowRiser> GabMus, please don't use newline as punctuation.
[17:12] <GabMus> ok
[17:13] <FlowRiser> GabMus, why wouldn't you want to use mbr ?
[17:13] <kdsmain> Is there a chatroom for installing Ubuntu 12.04 on a Power Mac G5? The live CD boots, but there is a big white square where the desktop should be and none of the Unity icons display.
[17:13] <sybariten> Hm, i have trouble installing ffmpeg over apt. first it asks about packages it couldnt "authentisize" (ehmm... its unfortunately not in english) ... then when i okay that, it still fails. Which error message of many, am i looking for ?
[17:13] <sybariten> its basicly a 404
[17:13] <labsin> GabMus: to install on a macbook. First choose 'try ubuntu' from the live cd. Open gparted and wipe the whole disc. then run the setup
[17:14] <GabMus> labsin: i am worried about the efi
[17:14] <sybariten> sudo apt-get update gives more or less the same problem
[17:14] <FlowRiser> sybariten, check the software sources
[17:14] <GabMus> i dont know how the mac's efi would react to a mbr hd
[17:15] <FlowRiser> sybariten, can you install any other packages over apt ?
[17:15] <labsin> I don't know much about it. You can install Ubuntu on the mbr tho
[17:15] <ACubed10> sup dudes/chickas
[17:16] <zastern> I'm having a weird issue - I just installed mysel-server, and I can't start it with the upstart/init - the script just hangs. But I can start it fine as /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysql/mysql.pid
[17:16] <zastern> so im thinking this is some weird upstart issue or something
[17:16] <labsin> GabMus: I ones got a mac-hdd and din't know it was from a mac and installed ubuntu on it and didn't even notice it ones. I only noticed it when I thried to install windows on it
[17:16] <GabMus> mh, ill try… i still have the recovery dvd of mac os
[17:17] <GabMus> i'll try
[17:17] <GabMus> thank you all for the help
[17:17] <GabMus> i'll let you know later
[17:17] <silvereye> labsin : how is mac hdd different/incompatible as hardware?
[17:18] <labsin> Silvereye: the partition table. When you remove the partitions the partition table usually stayes the same. You can change it tho
[17:21] <labsin> Silvereye: It's called GUID. It's just a different way of storring the layout of the partitions.
[17:21] <eni> hi, I installed xubuntu, but i only have the console version and have internet. How can I install X and Gnome through console? what packages do I need?
[17:21] <bazhang> eni ubuntu-desktop package
[17:21] <ikonia> eni: you can't have a console version of xubuntu
[17:21] <silvereye> labsin : so it's not the harddrive was really any different, just it needed to be actually erased including the partition table
[17:21] <ikonia> eni: what have you really installed or done
[17:22] <eni> ikonia: i have no GUI just login page/ vi etc.
[17:22] <ikonia> eni: right, so either there is a problem, or you have not installed xubuntu
[17:22] <ikonia> which is it ?
[17:22] <ikonia> if it's a problem, installing ubuntu-desktop won't help
[17:22] <eni> ikonia: no packages are installed ( i used a usb key) so the sources.lst was configured to work with CD i think
[17:23] <eni> ikonia: there was an error during the "installing packages" process
[17:23] <ikonia> eni: even if xubuntu is isnstalled from a usb key - the sources.list will be the same as the CD
[17:23] <ikonia> eni: ok - so now we are getting somewhere
[17:23] <labsin> silvereye: linux can run from a HDD with GUID partition table. Ubuntu does this without complaining. If you wan't to install Windows on it, there are guides for changing the patition table
[17:23] <ikonia> you KNOW there is an error and you've not told us
[17:23] <labsin> Silvereye: Apple uses normal HDD indeed.
[17:24] <eni> ikonia: so I thought, since it's from USB key it doesn't recognize the sources.lst or something, and I loged in and added all the online repos.. just did an apt-get updat e(which went fine).. and was thining to install the desktop (which wasn't installed before)
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: the first thing you should do if your install failed is re-install
[17:24] <eni> ikonia: so i have apt-get, vi, etc already installed.
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: as it maybe more than just X
[17:24] <eni> ikonia: well i tried and got to the same error page
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: so that should be your first point of call, try a re-install and see if the error is reproducable
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: then at that point, note down the error and what it's complaining about
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: then report that
[17:24] <ikonia> eni: instead of "how do i install gnome"
[17:25] <eni> ikonia: i thought my diagnose was correct
[17:25] <ikonia> eni: what diagnoses ?
[17:25] <ikonia> eni: you've just said "I want to install X"
[17:25] <ikonia> eni: you've not said what packages failed ? why they failed ?
[17:25] <eni> ikonia: i have no idea why they failed
[17:26] <eni> ikonia: it didn't say anything
[17:26] <ikonia> right - so documenting what failed
[17:26] <eni> ikonia: it said : "ERROR IN : 'installing packages'"
[17:26] <ikonia> eni: now you're just being lazy
[17:26] <ikonia> you said it warned you about packages
[17:26] <ikonia> get the full infomration, report it and lets see what can be done
[17:26] <ikonia> but stop missing bits of info out
[17:26] <bekks> morph3k: There is no need to contact me outside this channel.
[17:27] <ikonia> eni: it's likley your media is corrupt as some packaes are getting installed
[17:27] <ikonia> but again - no information = logical guess
[17:27] <eni> ikonia: ok, i'll try to re-create the USB key than
[17:27]  * bashar_ waves to bashar
[17:27] <eni> ikonia: is there any ubuntu version with gnome and not that other dm?
[17:28] <dougl> what is the command line I use to update my version of ubuntu?
[17:28] <ikonia> eni: no
[17:28] <ikonia> eni: ubuntu is built on unity
[17:28] <bekks> dougl: Which versiob of Ubuntu do you have, currently?
[17:29] <Tex_Nick> dougl:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:29] <silvereye> eni : there may not be a gubuntu, but there is xubuntu, lubuntu, and kubuntu - so it's being evasive to ssay that it's only based on unity
[17:30] <bekks> Tex_Nick: Which works for supported target versions only.
[17:30] <Tex_Nick> bekks : i need to WAKE-UP ... thanks for clarifying
[17:30] <ikonia> silvereye: he is using xubuntu - he knows what they are, he asked for GNOME, it is not evasive, it is fact.
[17:31] <ikonia> silvereye: ubuntu is based around the unity shell - that is the gnome build ubuntu uses
[17:31] <ikonia> the others are not gnome
[17:31] <bekks> dougl: So which version of Ubuntu do you have?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> dougl, are you just trying to update/upgrade your packages or your kubuntu version ?
[17:32] <dougl> BluesKaj, upgrade my packages
[17:32] <bekks> dougl: Would you mind to answer my question?
[17:33] <dougl> bekks, sure - sorry, 12.10 kubuntu tho
[17:33] <eni> ikonia: what do you suggest to make bootable usb keys for installing ubuntu?
[17:33] <ikonia> eni: I don't have a trusted opinion on that, it change a lot
[17:33] <BluesKaj> dougl, , then sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade , in the console
[17:34] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks
[17:34] <sybariten> FlowRiser: i believe so.... whats a simple test?  :)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> dougl, , btw I meant ubuntu , not necessarily (k)ubuntu , of course
[17:36] <dougl> BluesKaj, I did not think it mattered - don't those commands work on both?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> they work oin all 'bunt5us
[17:36] <BluesKaj> 'buntus
[17:36] <dougl> BlueEagle, K, thanks again
[17:37] <BluesKaj> my phat phingers again
[17:38] <dougl> someone other than me has issues with fat fingers - nice
[17:38] <drmagoo> Does anyone know how to change the opacity / transparency of the "window title bar"? (Ubuntu desktop 12.10)
[17:44] <OerHeks> hmm easy pick https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[17:45] <ahmedipa> problem: can not Login screen loops unless you login as Guest
[17:45] <morph3k> sorry bekks
[17:45] <morph3k> i Just booted into rescue mode
[17:45] <morph3k> do you think you can help me?
[17:47] <trism> ahmedipa: switch to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1) login as your user, rm ~/.Xauthority; then switch back (ctrl+alt+f7) and try to login again
[17:47] <bekks> morph3k: Depends on what you are going to do now.
[17:47] <morph3k> well
[17:47] <morph3k> im waiting for it to boot up
[17:47] <morph3k> i *think* it may be this Xfce stuff
[17:47] <morph3k> the only thing i did was install openssh
[17:47] <morph3k> but i deleted that
[17:47] <OerHeks> ahmedipa, see answer #2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2035442 ctrl alt f2 etc
[17:48] <morph3k> i got a little box at he bottom i can type in
[17:48] <morph3k> but it appears not to do anything
[17:49] <bekks> morph3k: Deleting openssh is a very bad idea when you are trying to ssh into that box.
[17:49] <ahmedipa> trism: does not work I tried last night now I use USB live ubuntu
[17:49] <morph3k> I Just need this box to power up
[17:49] <morph3k> I will deal with the ssh stuff later
[17:49] <morph3k> I just dont want to lose all of my stuff
[17:49] <trism> ahmedipa: then I don't know, could be any number of issues, root owned .Xauthority is just the most common
[17:49] <ahmedipa>  OerHeks:  I have only two option to login ( guest or CD live )
[17:50] <bekks> morph3k: You wont lose data, since having a backup - havent you?
[17:50] <trism> ahmedipa: you would have to search through the lightdm and xorg logs to see what the issue is
[17:50] <morph3k> I never purposely made a back up bekks
[17:50] <morph3k> does it do it for you?
[17:50] <bekks> morph3k: Then you dont have a backup which implies you dont have data important enough for creating a backup. :)
[17:50] <ahmedipa> first of all I login using USB live
[17:51] <ahmedipa> trism:  what is lightdm and xorg ??
[17:51] <ahmedipa> trism: how can I reach them ?
[17:52] <trism> ahmedipa: the files in /var/log/lightdm/
[17:52] <trism> ahmedipa: which ubuntu version are you on?
[17:52] <Phryq> hey, I was wondering in Ubuntu whether I should use sudo, or su to run as root
[17:52] <ahmedipa> trism: ubuntu 12.04
[17:52] <Phryq> I know in Arch we never ran sudo, only so
[17:52] <OerHeks> ahmedipa, that solution says " do not login as you or Guest just yet. Instead, switch to any VT by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2"
[17:54] <ahmedipa>  OerHeks: do you mean after I reboot I have to switch before I select Guest to login ?
[17:54] <OerHeks> that .Xauthority file is owned by root, that is a glitch in the update.
[17:54] <morph3k> i think its this damn
[17:54] <morph3k> x server
[17:54] <morph3k> xfs
[17:54] <bekks> morph3k: Why do you think that?
[17:54] <morph3k> thats whats hanging it up
[17:54] <OerHeks> ahmedipa, correct
[17:54] <ahmedipa> I will try
[17:55] <ahmedipa> I will be back
[17:55] <bekks> morph3k: And did you investigate the reason yet?
[17:55] <ahmedipa> OerHeks:  what should I do after that
[17:55] <morph3k> im trying to figure out how to get back to a terminal
[17:55] <morph3k> right now im in bios
[17:55] <OerHeks> ahmedipa, see answer #2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2035442 ctrl alt f2 etc
[17:56] <bekks> morph3k: ctrl+alt+f1 ... or use the safe mode. The BIOS is totally irrelevant for doing stuff in Ubuntu.
[17:57] <eni> ikonia: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=779468&page=2
[17:57] <eni> this is the error
[17:57] <oriez> hello, I just bought a new NIC eth card (TEG-PCITXR) and Ubuntu can't recognize it (lspci)... the PCI card show LINK and ACT. what should I do?
[18:01] <morph3k> k
[18:01] <morph3k> bekks
[18:01] <morph3k> im in uh
[18:01] <morph3k> terminal
[18:01] <oriez> hello, I just bought a new NIC eth card (TEG-PCITXR) and Ubuntu can't recognize it (lspci)... the PCI card show LINK and ACT. what should I do? please someone...
[18:03] <bjkb> o
[18:06] <eric> Hi
[18:07] <Guest70007> Howdy
[18:08] <tempguest> hello guys, I want tro install ubuntu on my new laptop : dell inspiron 17r which comes with windows bios, is there any guide for installation on such new systems?
[18:09] <Guest70007> If you go to ubuntu.com you can find all you need, faggot
[18:09] <tgm4883> uh
[18:09] <eni> ikonia: i found a workaround can you please help me through it?
[18:09] <tgm4883> !mods
[18:10] <ikonia> eni: work around for what ?
[18:10] <ikonia> tgm4883: what's up ?
[18:10] <eni> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12198711&postcount=9 ikonia
[18:10] <ikonia> eni: work around for what ?
[18:10] <tgm4883> ikonia, err, Guest70007 ^^
[18:11] <eni> ikonia: for installing the xubuntu.. apparently when you run from USB there's always an error in the xorg files.. i should create the usb key from linux.
[18:11] <tgm4883> ikonia, that just seems a little much
[18:11] <eni> ikonia: i'm not sure about the use dd part though
[18:11] <ikonia> tgm4883: thank you
[18:11] <ikonia> eni: what's not clear
[18:11] <tgm4883> ikonia, yw
[18:11] <drmagoo> no one who knows how to change the opacity / transparency on the windows title bar in ubuntu 12.10
[18:11] <eni> ikonia: the whole thing. should I use dd to "mount" the iso or smth?
[18:11] <ikonia> dd isn't a mount command
[18:12] <ikonia> eni: mount is the command used to mount an iso
[18:12] <ikonia> eni: mount -o loop
[18:12] <tgm4883> or by right clicking it
[18:12] <eni> ikonia: what does it mean with dd line then ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12198711&postcount=9
[18:13] <yacc-in> Hi. i had 12.10 installed using wubi and it was working great. got nvidia drivers installed and steam and stuff. then i wanted to do a "real" installation now the nvidia drivers wont work, i tried all 4 of the proprietary ones
[18:13] <cnb_> I've installed Munin 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.10, and munin-cgi-html produces URLs which do not contain /cgi-bin/munin-cgi-graph despite having cgiurl_graph set.  How can I get munin-cgi-graph running and called correctly?
[18:13] <yacc-in> what drives me mad is that it just worked on wubi
[18:13] <yacc-in> i have a GTX 480
[18:13] <ikonia> eni: you use dd to do a block level copy of the iso file to the usb hard disk
[18:15] <eni> ikonia: i still don't get it. what's the line I should be looking for (to execute)?
[18:15] <ikonia> eni: have a read up on dd - the line you need will be specific to your setup
[18:16] <eni> ikonia:
[18:16] <eni> thanks
[18:16] <eni> bye
[18:16] <eni> i'll try it
[18:17] <Catbuntu> Hi
[18:18] <RB2> Good Afternoon. I am having issues with the nVidia current-updates drivers since going to kernel 3.5.0.22 . If I boot up normally, I get a black screen (never hear the login chime) .. If I boot into recovery mode with networking enabled, after 60 seconds or so, the desktop loads of its own accord and works perfectly.
[18:20] <yacc-in> RB2: i also have problems with any proprietary nvidia driver
[18:20] <RB2> I've removed and re-installed the driver, but no love. Also, when in the desktop, I get a notice asking me to report a crash and it wants to send nvidia debug data. :-S
[18:20] <RB2> yacc-in, same kind of issue?
[18:22] <yacc-in> no. when i enable the proprietary driver i get a rtesolution smaller than 800x600 and after log-in i only have a desktop background, no panels, icons whatsoever
[18:22] <oriez> hello, I just bought a new NIC eth card (TEG-PCITXR) and Ubuntu can't recognize it (lspci)... the PCI card show LINK and ACT. what should I do?
[18:22] <yacc-in> and with the default nouveau drivers text often has artifacts. also they are unusable for gaming...
[18:23] <ioria> oriez: it doesn't show in lspci  ?
[18:23] <RB2> yacc-in, actually the same issue I had previously.
[18:23] <yacc-in> ah
[18:23] <yacc-in> i figured out the nvidia kernel module never gets loaded but i dont know why
[18:24] <RB2> yacc-in, did you install the kernel headers and then do the nvidia driver install from the terminal so you can see what messages are displayed when it builds the module?
[18:24] <ali> hi
[18:24] <yacc-in> hmm nope, never tried that. i stupidly thought "they ghave a gui for that, and the gui even says i am using the correct driver. should be tested and working" >_>
[18:25] <KeyboardNotFound> Hello, i use xubuntu 12.10 and Xchat 2.8.8, official xchat 2.8.9 is released but i don't have update alert for xchat, how to official update xchat using ubuntu packets ?
[18:25] <KeyboardNotFound> !repeat > KeyboardNotFound
[18:25] <RB2> yacc-in, it should say "Building initial module for 3.5.whatever-generic and then after "Done."
[18:26] <yacc-in> iirc i read that somewhere
[18:26] <RB2> If it starts talking about skipping the module, you know there's an issue. ;)
[18:26] <xniz> hey guys any common reasons why i would be getting read/access errors during an installation from usb?
[18:26] <RB2> Frustrating though, I fixed it up in the previous kernel. Worked awesome.
[18:26] <morph3k> crap
[18:27] <yeehi> will tomato RAF work on a linksys x2000? I heard (don't know if it's true) that the x2000 is just and adsl version of the e2000, which I believe does work with tomato...
[18:27] <morph3k> locked myself out it looks like bekks
[18:27] <oriez> ioria: no
[18:27] <bekks> morph3k: By doing what exactly?
[18:27] <KeyboardNotFound> !repeat > KeyboardNotFound
[18:27] <KeyboardNotFound> Hello, i use xubuntu 12.10 and Xchat 2.8.8, official xchat 2.8.9 is released but i don't have update alert for xchat, how to official update xchat using ubuntu packets ?
[18:27] <oriez> ioria: that's what i dont get
[18:27] <ioria> oriez: try to remove and replace it
[18:27] <morph3k> well
[18:27] <morph3k> bekks
[18:27] <morph3k> i think by fucking with rc in /etc/init
[18:27] <bekks> !punctuation | morph3k
[18:28] <oriez> ioria: already did - and tried on two pci slots
[18:28] <bekks> d'oh
[18:28] <bekks> !enter > morph3k
[18:28] <ioria> oriez: ^o^
[18:28] <oriez> -_-
[18:28] <morph3k>  /bin/sh: 1: exec: /etc/init.d/rc: not found
[18:28] <morph3k> :(
[18:28] <xniz> are there any major disadvantages of installing ubuntu from windows aside from no sleep mode?
[18:28] <yacc-in> RB2: do you have some instructions for how to properly install them via terminal? and do they work then? or do the drivers from the nvidia website work?
[18:28] <bekks> morph3k: Thats doesnt answer my question. What did you do?
[18:29] <morph3k> renamed the file so it wouldnt run the proccesses
[18:29] <morph3k> renamed it rc.b
[18:29] <KeyboardNotFound> Hello, i use xubuntu 12.10 and Xchat 2.8.8, official xchat 2.8.9 is released but i don't have update alert for xchat, how to official update xchat using ubuntu packets ?
[18:29] <KeyboardNotFound> please help me!
[18:29] <RB2> yacc-in, I have instructions for it, but it's not currently working for me, I have the black screen issue. So, not sure it's going to be helpful. :-P
[18:30] <RB2> yacc-in, unless of course I boot into recovery mode and wait one minute :-P
[18:30] <yacc-in> hm ok, then i dont think i will reboot to ubuntu if it wont work anyways
[18:30] <ioria> oriez: then maybe is a 'sudo modprobe ' stuff !
[18:30] <bekks> KeyboardNotFound: WAIT until the new xchat version is avail from the ubuntu repos. And DONT repeat your question again and again please.
[18:30] <yacc-in> maybe 13.04 will be usable :/
[18:31] <oriez> ioria: if it is.. how can I fix it?
[18:32] <ioria> oriez: you should identify the right kernel module to load, but i'm very good in that, keep asking on the channel
[18:32] <ioria> oriez: you should identify the right kernel module to load, but i'm NOT very good in that, keep asking on the channel
[18:32] <dell> Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[18:32] <dell> Or should I do something else?
[18:32] <oriez> ioria: but then it's still doesn't make sense... lspci can't find it...
[18:33] <ioria> oriez: indeed
[18:33] <oriez> ioria: THX any way :( (maybe bios is screwing me up)
[18:34] <ioria> oriez: maybe, good luck  *§*
[18:34] <dell> any idea?
[18:36] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[18:36] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Or should I do something else?
[18:37] <morph3k> bekks: what is install server from MAAS or whatever?
[18:37] <bekks> morph3k: I dont get your question - what do you talk about?
[18:37] <STMelon> KeyboardNotFound: XChat is an IRC chat program for both Linux and Windows. ... Linux/Unix releases have an even version number. ... XChat 2.8.9 (Windows Version) Released ...
[18:38] <morph3k> I just booted fromt he CD. I see: Install Ubuntu Server, Multiple Server install with MAAS
[18:38] <STMelon> xchat does not have a new release for linux as of yet
[18:38] <morph3k> Boot from first hard disk and Rescue a broken system (rescue broken system didnt work....i went in there and renamed rc and rc.local back)
[18:38] <OerHeks> KeyboardNotFound, xchat 2.8.9 is only available for windows, all linux versions are 2.8.8
[18:38] <KeyboardNotFound> Ok, sorry
[18:39] <morph3k> nevermind it would appear I have lost all my stuff
[18:42] <morph3k> sad about that :(
[18:42] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[18:42] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Or should I do something else?
[18:43] <morph3k> dell: are all the jpg's in one folder?
[18:43] <dell> morph3k: no
[18:44] <morph3k> sorry ive never had much luck with the find command
[18:44] <morph3k> dell: try aptitude search
[18:44] <huttan> who
[18:44] <huttan> oops, wrong tty
[18:44] <morph3k> type man aptitude
[18:44] <morph3k> read the manual. its pretty good and easy
[18:45] <dell> morph3k: I know how to find all the files, but I do not know how to pipe it to the cp command?
[18:45] <morph3k> read the manual i just told you to and it will tell u how to find them
[18:46] <morph3k> someone else here might be able to tell you how to properly use the find command
[18:46] <mandoguit> aptitude for copying files???
[18:46] <morph3k> aptitude for search
[18:46] <morph3k> aptitude can do A LOT of stuff
[18:46] <datsmoida> what is the best way to monitor my bandwidth usage ?
[18:46] <datsmoida> in terminal
[18:46] <mandoguit> package search maybe....not all jpgs written to a hard drive
[18:47] <nightmare365> hi guys whenever i run sudo i don't get a password prompt ..is there any reason to worry .. i think this started after instaling the binary that comes with orange modems
[18:47] <mandoguit> locate would be more appropriate imho.... just make sure the data base is up to date
[18:47] <bekks> morph3k: What do you want to do?
[18:47] <bekks> morph3k: Please describe it, instead asking random things.
[18:47] <morph3k> bekks: its game over i just went ahead and formatted it
[18:48] <bekks> morph3k: There was no reason for doing that.
[18:48] <oriez> can someone recommend a good 1GB/s eth card that support ubuntu?
[18:48] <savid> On what versions of ubuntu is GLIB >= 2.24.0 available?
[18:48] <oriez> pci card of course
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> Hello
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> I hope it's the good channel for my question
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> Is there any way to rip my cd on the computer with the tag that are provided by something else than musicbrainz
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> My trouble is that most of my french cd are not known by musicbox and are known by itune or windows'media database, so I have to enter every information by hand on ubuntu, which takes a lot of time
[18:48] <FloodBot1> Arthur_rainbow: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:48] <bekks> oriez: Every somehow current card will do. :)
[18:48] <morph3k> bekks: i tried all i knew and you seemed to be getting annoyed with me
[18:49] <savid> I have 11.04 on one of my servers, but a configure script is failing with an error saying GLIB >= 2.24.0 not found.
[18:49] <morph3k> er
[18:49] <bekks> morph3k: No, I was just telling you to actually ask what you want to know instead asking random things which were unrelated to your problem.
[18:49] <morph3k> wait bekks it appears i have all my stuff here still
[18:49] <nuhuil> .
[18:49] <nightmare365> hi guys whenever i run sudo i don't get a password prompt ..is there any reason to worry .. i think this started after instaling the binary that comes with orange modems .. sorry for reposting
[18:50] <h00k> Arthur_rainbow: I've used MusicBrainz before, but maybe check the software center for anything that might be relevant
[18:50] <bekks> nightmare365: sudo remembers your password for a short time.
[18:50] <morph3k> bekks: the problem is I cannot login with any of my users. its taking me to my log on screen and all but wont let me login
[18:50] <h00k> bekks, nightmare365 It's 15 minutes, if you keep that terminal open.
[18:50] <bekks> nightmare365: And depending on its configuration it doesnt even ask you for a password for distinct commands.
[18:50] <morph3k> is there a way i can restore the things i messed with in init.d?
[18:51] <oriez> bekks: that's what i thought.. 'till bought a net TRENDnet card that doesn't seem to work for some reason
[18:51] <trism> savid: install libglib2.0-dev
[18:51] <bekks> morph3k: So WHY didnt you tell us that you messed around there? Why didnt you tell us what you did there, even after I asked you that?
[18:51] <melty> lol
[18:51] <morph3k> I did tell you bekks
[18:51] <morph3k> I told you i messed with the rc and rc.local in init.d
[18:51] <bekks> morph3k: You didnt tell us what you did there.
[18:51] <morph3k> yes, i did.
[18:52] <oriez> bekks: lights is on (LINK ACT) but noting in lspci ifconfig etc.
[18:52] <bekks> morph3k: you did THAT you did something, but not WHAT. :)
[18:52] <nightmare365> ooh i see .. sorry got a lil nervous :) thnks bekks and h00k
[18:52] <bekks> oriez: Get one $5 intel gbit card then :)
[18:52] <morph3k> okay. i removed some files like SSH and xorg
[18:52] <morph3k> then i renamed rc and rc.local
[18:53] <morph3k> i got back into my console and was able to rename them all back but it appears that something else has happened
[18:53] <bekks> morph3k: After you removed xorg, you are wondering your X server doesnt start anymore?
[18:53] <oriez> bekks: where is the 5$ cards? i see only 20$ - 15$
[18:53] <morph3k> X server is working for some reason
[18:53] <morph3k> and i dunno why. i dont even want a GUI
[18:54] <morph3k> I'm about to pop that dvd back in and see if i can get back into the console.
[18:56] <morph3k> if you know of anyway to fix this bekks id be in your eternal gratitude
[18:57] <datsmoida> is there a common linux command to monitor bandwidth usage ?
[18:57] <jeaton> how do you change the display manager, I was using gdm, and when I installed kde, it changed it to something else
[18:57] <bekks> morph3k: Restore the files you deleted from your backup - if you dont have one: reinstall your system.
[18:57] <jpds> !info vnstat | datsmoida
[18:57] <morph3k> i have these options right now:
[18:58] <morph3k> execute shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer enviroment, reinstall grub, choose different root file system
[18:58] <datsmoida> what about iftop
[18:58] <bekks> morph3k: Insert an installation CD, and reinstall, if you dont have a backup.
[18:59] <RB2> yacc-in, I think I may have solved it!
[18:59] <yacc-in> :o how? :D
[19:00] <RB2> I just tried something different, but with the drivers from the nvidia site. I'm going uninstall those, install the repo versions and try again.
[19:00] <RB2> yacc-in, I'll report back in 5 or 10 minutes
[19:00] <yacc-in> yay
[19:00] <pc> Do the Dell wireless 1504 (some broadcom OEM-ed card) on dell laptops work ok in ubuntu?
[19:01] <trap24> anybody using TP-Link router, and logging onto it using ssh (in ubuntu) ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> pc , most BCM cards work on ubuntu
[19:01] <melty> lol
[19:01] <pc> Alright, thanks
[19:01] <pc> I know it's some cheap-o OEM card, but there's got to be a gazillion of them out there
[19:02] <trism> jeaton: which ubuntu version? in more recent ones: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm; should offer you a menu to select the display manager
[19:02] <pc> I remember back in the day you had to get the intil centrino cards to get reliable linux support, but I hope that is behind us
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !broadcom | pc
[19:03] <jeaton> 12.10
[19:03] <jeaton> ill try it out, thanks trism
[19:03] <dell> Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[19:03] <dell> Or should I do something else?
[19:04] <bekks> dell: Why do you use -r on that?
[19:04] <escott> dell, find . -iname *.jpg -exec cp {} target \;
[19:04] <dell> escott: thanks
[19:05] <Arthur_rainbow> h00k: thanks :) Sadly I didn't see anything usefull in the software I can install on ubuntu
[19:05] <Arthur_rainbow> And Rhythmbox check only musicbrainz as far as I understand, who works well if they already know the cd, which is not the case for the cd I have
[19:10] <SolarisBoy> Arthur_rainbow: try a software called beets (its a python script available in the repos) it will use other things than one source to tag music based on what it finds with varying modes of operation
[19:11] <SolarisBoy> Arthur_rainbow: you would do something like beet import /path/to/musicfolder and it will tag and copy the music into your library the way most players expect to see them
[19:15] <morph3k> bekks: looks like i can fix this if my damn internet willw ork
[19:15] <morph3k> i cant use apt-get or wget
[19:16] <RB2> yacc-in, I had to use the drivers from the website to make it work... but, I booted into recovery mode, enabled networking... (had to use Ctrl-C because of another bug).. then I uninstalled nvidia-current-updates, installed the nvidia 310.32 long-lived drivers, blacklisted nouveau and it works.
[19:16] <bekks> morph3k: Did you check wether you have a valid IP?
[19:17] <morph3k> yea i do
[19:17] <morph3k> something is just preventing me from connecting
[19:17] <RB2> yacc-in, your mileage may vary, but it's working for me.
[19:17] <yacc-in> RB2: so.. install driver from nvidia.com reinstall nonfree drivers frm repo (terminal) and then blacklist the OS drivers?
[19:17] <whoever> hi all , I have bluetooth headphones , that will randomly stop playing audio, and weather  I use the bluetooth icon or the terminal to try to restart bluetooth, the process never finishes, and just hangs at "stopping blutooth".  can someone assist
[19:17] <riegersn> is it possible to customize my trackpad functionality? example, I can right click with 2 finger click, but I want to turn OFF right click when clicking on the right side of the pad. is this possible?
[19:19] <morph3k> any idea bekks
[19:20] <bekks> morph3k: No. Not without the exact error message you get.
[19:20] <huttan> morph3k: have u made sure that its not a dns problem?
[19:20] <ecks> hello, I managed to brick my kubuntu partition somehow by installing kde 4.10. I can still access a tty and I'm trying to get networking to work atm. any help?
[19:20] <morph3k> temporarily failure resolving us.archiveubuntu.com
[19:21] <morph3k> Some files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:21] <bekks> morph3k: So what did you do to check wether you have a valid IP and a valid nameserver?
[19:21] <RB2> yacc-in, I removed the nonfree installed from the repo, installed the nvidia drivers I downloaded from the site (ignore the message about pre-install script failing) and then added nouveau to the /etc/modprobe/blacklist.conf file
[19:21] <morph3k> ifconfig
[19:22] <morph3k> then i did ifconfig eth0 down and ifconfig eth0 up
[19:22] <PH5> hey, what software can i use to put Ubuntu on a USB drive?
[19:22] <yacc-in> ah ok so you are using the website drivers now?
[19:22] <ecks> PH5: unetbootin
[19:22] <bekks> morph3k: Why did you FIRST control, then down/up the interface?
[19:22] <RB2> yacc-in, FYI, if it doesn't work right for you, you can run the install again with --uninstall and it will remove them
[19:22] <RB2> yacc-in, yes... working great
[19:23] <GabMus_> hello again
[19:23] <morph3k> what do u mean bekks
[19:23] <yacc-in> hmm nice
[19:23] <yacc-in> or sad... :D
[19:23] <RB2> yacc-in, Hope it works for you if you try it...
[19:23] <RB2> Both!
[19:23] <PH5> hey, what software can i use to put Ubuntu on a USB drive?
[19:23] <huttan> morph3k: curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org | sed 's/[a-zA-Z/<> :]//g'
[19:23] <bekks> morph3k: "ifconfig, then ifconfig ... down, then ... up".
[19:23] <tgm4883> PH5, you were already answered
[19:23] <GabMus_> i have a problem with kde 4.10 on kubuntu 12.04. I installed kubuntu backports repo and now kde session doesnt work
[19:23] <tgm4883> PH5, no need to ask the same question again
[19:23] <yacc-in> someone who knows how to do that kind of stuff should make a workin packag and create a repo for that :/
[19:23] <PH5> really, oh
[19:23] <bekks> huttan: Which doesnt help determining having a valid IP or not.
[19:24] <huttan> bekks: if it returns an ip he has got one
[19:24] <PH5> thanks vary much
[19:24] <huttan> bekks: ifconfig will most likely check his local ip
[19:24] <tgm4883> PH5, even if you weren't answered, 1 minute isn't long enought to wait before asking again
[19:24] <bekks> huttan: And if not you cant tell anything. It is like closing your eyes and guessing why it might be dark.
[19:24] <bekks> huttan: And we NEED to check his local ip.
[19:24] <tgm4883> bekks, because it's nighttime?
[19:25] <bekks> tgm4883: Maybe. Maybe not.
[19:25] <tgm4883> because I'm blind?
[19:25] <AlecTaylor> hi
[19:25] <tgm4883> bekks, this isn't a very good game you came up with :/
[19:25] <AlecTaylor> Should we expect many changes between the kernel freeze tomorrow and the second alpha on the 14th?
[19:25]  * AlecTaylor wants to upgrade from 12.04
[19:25] <yacc-in> oh RB2 hae you tried the ones from ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa ?
[19:25] <labsin> A question here. Anybody using XChat? I don't get thy system icon and the popup boxes.
[19:25] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, probably looking for #ubuntu+1
[19:26] <AlecTaylor> tgm4883: That channel is dead >.<
[19:26] <tgm4883> labsin, I am
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, you know.. I thought that when the nonfree drivers from the repo were installed, it was supposed to blacklist nouveau... but it definitely wasn't
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, this isn't the chat for dev help
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, dev release help I mean
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, but I don't know enough about it to say whether I'm correct or not
[19:26] <bekks> morph3k: So which IP do you have, and whoch nameserver do you use?
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, you can apparently get banned for that
[19:26] <AlecTaylor> bahaha
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, No, I didn't try those. What version do they have?
[19:26] <yacc-in> hmm idk...
[19:26] <morph3k> bout to try bekks
[19:27] <labsin> tgm4883: so, do you have a system icon?
[19:27] <bekks> morph3k: There is nothing to try about it - just look up the information :)
[19:27] <yacc-in> "In this page, we will help you install Nvidia driver 304.32 on Ubuntu and Linux Mint via PPA."
[19:27] <tgm4883> labsin, I'm assuming you are asking about the notification area (eg. system tray)?
[19:28] <labsin> yes sorry
[19:28] <RB2> yacc-in, ahh ok. I'm running 310.32
[19:28] <tgm4883> labsin, no I do not
[19:28] <yacc-in> RB2 maybe it has those too
[19:29] <morph3k> heh
[19:29] <morph3k> dont have curl on here bekks
[19:29] <RB2> yacc-in, I'll check it out for a more perm. solution. For now, I'm just happy it's working. :D
[19:29] <bekks> morph3k: You DONT NEED curl.
[19:29] <SolarisBoy> woa
[19:29] <morph3k> i have ATT
[19:29] <bekks> morph3k: You need the output of ifconfig and the content of /etc/resolv.conf
[19:29] <yacc-in> RB2 then i guess ill just finish this quest and try it too :D
[19:30] <bekks> morph3k: Even using ATT doesnt require to use curl for determining the information requested.
[19:30] <RB2> yacc-in, :D Nice. Let me know how you make out.
[19:30] <morph3k> i got the ifconfig
[19:30] <morph3k> but there is no resolv.conf in /etc
[19:30] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/6gzd
[19:30] <morph3k> that is my ifconfig
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: Then you dont have a nameserver configured which is why you cant access the internet.
[19:31] <yacc-in> sure :) brb ^^
[19:31] <morph3k> got DNS servers
[19:31] <morph3k> and Search Domains
[19:31] <tgm4883> morph3k, are you using 12.04 or newer and network manager?
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: You just said you dont.
[19:31] <morph3k> on my mac bekks
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: I dont care about your mac.
[19:31] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/wvw8
[19:31] <morph3k> its using the same ip
[19:32] <SolarisBoy> hmmm
[19:32] <MarKsaitis> can somebody answer me a question here, a normal question?!!! Why Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is not updating alpha samba4 to the stable? What on earth is going on? How long do we need to wait for this!!!!
[19:32] <tgm4883> morph3k, are you using 12.04 or newer and network manager?
[19:32] <MarKsaitis> HELP!
[19:32] <bekks> morph3k: Then you have an IP address conflict.
[19:32] <morph3k> im on 12.04 tgm4883
[19:32] <tgm4883> morph3k, can you pastebin the output of 'nm-tool'
[19:32] <bekks> morph3k: Since when do you knwo your ubuntu has the same IP as your Mac?
[19:32] <pvh_sa> hey there - i've just upgraded my 12.04 to 12.10 - now in empathy when I hit F4 to see accounts all i see is the "Online Accounts" thing that doesn't include a bunch of my accounts. how do I get to see my account settings??
[19:33] <morph3k> tgm4883: says failed to conenct to the socket
[19:33] <morph3k> hold on bekks let met ry something
[19:33] <whoever> is there a known prop with bluetooth an 64bit randomly freezing? i don't see any reported bugs
[19:33] <bekks> morph3k: You have an IP address conflict - all errors are irrelevant until solving that conflict.
[19:33] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, because it's not in the main repository
[19:33] <MarKsaitis> wtf is ubuntu thinking, not updating one of the most important packages on LTS distro!
[19:34] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not supported by canonical
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> but it is a major soft on a major LTS system
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> so basically ubuntu doesn't give a shit about samba 4 ? is that what it is then?
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> it's so wrong...
[19:34] <SolarisBoy> they probably have a process.
[19:34] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, not necessarily. You might think it's a major piece of software, others may disagree
[19:34] <tgm4883> !ohmy | MarKsaitis
[19:35] <MarKsaitis> It surelly is, loads of users, that one big fat fact
[19:35] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, citation needed?
[19:35] <morph3k> because I jsut looked bekks
[19:35] <bekks> morph3k: Did you solve the IP address conflict yet?
[19:36] <tgm4883> morph3k, I think the "failed to connect to socket" speaks of some issues here
[19:36] <MarKsaitis> I dont have the statistics, but it's quite a major soft
[19:36] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, says one guy on IRC
[19:36] <morph3k> wait bekks
[19:36] <morph3k> no
[19:36] <SolarisBoy> no its not MarKsaitis
[19:36] <morph3k> the ip is different
[19:36] <bekks> tgm4883: the issue is he is having the same IP on two computers.
[19:36] <morph3k> i have it on NAT
[19:36] <tgm4883> bekks, is that confirmed?
[19:37] <bekks> morph3k: OK, good luck then on solving your problems - I am out your support request because of the misleading and unreliable information getting from on every question. Good luck.
[19:37] <STMelon> just like gimp and libreoffice, MarKsaitis, ubuntu 12.04 is exactly what it is LTS version, its more about stability than the newest stable bleeding edge packages
[19:38] <morph3k> im sorry i got confused
[19:38] <STMelon> you can, however, update the bleeding edge packages yourself.
[19:38] <cnb_> I've installed Munin 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.10, and munin-cgi-html produces URLs which do not contain /cgi-bin/munin-cgi-graph despite having cgiurl_graph set.  How can I get munin-cgi-graph running and called correctly?
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> STMelon, it's not so much about bleeding edge.... samba 4 is stable, and why keep samba4 alpha in lts? doesn't make sense. Nobody is going to use this samba4 alpha, users are complaining over the internet... that samba4 alpha is worse than nothing
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> there is 0 stability with alpha soft
[19:39] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not in MAIN
[19:39] <pvh_sa> MarKsaitis, sure, but you're not going to get anywhere with arguing this on IRC, right? the teams responsible aren't here listening
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> I know, but it's a major soft in heterogenous networks
[19:40] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, which means that Canonical hasn't committed to supporting it. Which means the best case you have, is to plead with MOTU to do a backport
[19:40] <SolarisBoy> samba isn't a base package if you wanted it you would add it anyway so in your case you would take the steps to add the version you require correct?
[19:40] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, and no, it is not a major piece of software.
[19:40] <MarKsaitis> I know.... it just sucks as I cant do page 9 bottom http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf because I have samba4 from sources.... but these steps want to install that alpha crap and other packages which are from alpha meta
[19:40] <labsin> tgm4883: fyi: You get a pannel icon and the popups when you install xchat-indicator. It doesn't install automaticly
[19:41] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I'm not 100% familiar with it, but unless you are immitating a Windows 2008 Domain Controller, you don't need Samba4
[19:41] <tgm4883> labsin, great find! I've been wanting that back
[19:41] <STMelon> xchat-indicator is nice
[19:41] <melty> lol
[19:41] <STMelon> i had to dl the sound file to get xchat sounds though
[19:42] <labsin> STMelon sound file?
[19:42] <STMelon> xchat-sounds.tar.gz
[19:42] <STMelon> that 1
[19:42] <STMelon> so it beeps when you say my name .. yadda yadda
[19:43] <STMelon> sorry, i know this isnt #xchat
[19:43] <pvh_sa> how do you enable it once you've installed it?
[19:44] <tgm4883> \0/
[19:44] <labsin> STMelon: it's in its repo and ubuntu specific... :D and the xchat irc was empty
[19:44] <STMelon> extract the .tar file, i created a sound folder in /home/myname/.xchat2 and put that extracted file into the sound folder i created in .xchat2
[19:44] <STMelon> no it wasnt
[19:44] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, if you're talking about the indicator, I restarted xchat
[19:44] <STMelon> or at least well, i didnt look in repo
[19:44] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, then something needs to happen to notify you, and it shows up in the messanging menu
[19:44] <werxxx> Hello
[19:45] <tripelb> I need help with partitioning. Fdisk sees them, gparted does not.. Can't have partition outside of disk. How can I fix this mess. Been reading man fdisk and my head swims.
[19:45] <STMelon> xhcta-indicator is in repo
[19:45] <tripelb> Man sfdisk
[19:45] <morph3k> hmm
[19:45] <morph3k> well
[19:45] <escott> tripelb, what does "sudo parted -l" say
[19:45] <morph3k> i cant figure out this damn ifconfig
[19:45] <morph3k> to assign my ip to it
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, why are you trying to assign your IP via ifconfig?
[19:46] <morph3k> thats the only way i thought u could
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, you are using network manager?
[19:46] <escott> tripelb, also you should not be using fdisk.
[19:46] <morph3k> idk tgm4883
[19:46] <morph3k> its CLI
[19:46] <morph3k> how cani check
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, ah
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, is this a server?
[19:46] <morph3k> yes
[19:47] <morph3k> on a VM
[19:47] <tgm4883> morph3k, ah
[19:47] <morph3k> i do my coding on it
[19:47] <MoTec> I need some help... I need everyone willing to perform a nslookup and tell me if you get a valid response or a timeout (or refused response.  nslookup -type=mx mail.mil
[19:47] <tgm4883> morph3k, so you should probably assign it in /etc/network/interfaces then
[19:47] <MoTec> Please... Trying to determine if there are widespread issues with their nameservers or if my smarthost sucks.
[19:47] <Tex_Nick> labsin:  12.10 gnome classic ... my popups appear in a dialog type box that appears in main window ... what type stuff does the indicator provide ... guess i just need to install it
[19:47] <jkyle> I'm trying to install the lvm2 package on 12.04, it throws this error: lvm2 : Depends: watershed (>= 2) but it is not installable
[19:47] <werxxx> I could not to have got ubuntu via CD if I can it
[19:47] <pvh_sa> morph3k, the ip tool is a bit easier. as in "ip addr add A.B.C.D dev eth0" stuff
[19:48] <tgm4883> MoTec, I get a valid response
[19:48] <MoTec> tgm4883: thank you very much
[19:48] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, does that last threw a reboot?
[19:48] <morph3k> how tgm4883
[19:48] <morph3k> im in interfaces right now
[19:48] <morph3k> wtf do i type in here
[19:49] <pvh_sa> tgm4883, no, but if you want to last through a reboot and you don't have network managers, use /etc/network/interfaces
[19:49] <tgm4883> morph3k, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#ip-addressing
[19:49] <pvh_sa> morph3k, see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[19:49] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, so this means that 12.04 lts is going to stay with alpha release of samba4 forever?
[19:50] <alegen> can anyone give me some hints on firewall builder? when i use the compiled rules, all ports become blocked, even the ones that should be open :(
[19:50] <alegen> is there something i should take into consideration?
[19:50] <morph3k> sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0
[19:50] <morph3k> that part tgm4883
[19:50] <morph3k> ?
[19:51] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, probably
[19:51] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, unless someone does the work to backport it
[19:52] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, this guy seems to have opened a support request with Canonical and gotten an answer http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12458586&postcount=14
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> ironic :) samba guys say that it is not good installing it from these repos as it's alpha nonworking stuff = useless, they recommend building from source. However when you build from source, there gets to be issues with other stuff which depends on samba4.... and therefore any package manager installs of soft depending on it do not work, makes stuff impractical to use as I can't even touch it. It's the same as lic
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> king icecream over the window
[19:53] <MarKsaitis> I seen it.... is that how they make money then? but leaving some bugs in the system and just going away
[19:53] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, they commit to supporting certain packages
[19:54] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, samba4 isn't one of those packages
[19:55] <MarKsaitis> is there such a distro where samba4 would be the main package? any of the big good distros?
[19:56] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not in the MAIN repository, so it's not supported by canonical (samba4 is in the universe repo)
[19:56] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, samba4 release is in debian experimental
[19:56] <morph3k> tgm4883
[19:56] <morph3k> gateway=dns?
[19:56] <morph3k> cos if not idk where my gateway is
[19:56] <tgm4883> morph3k, not always
[19:56] <morph3k> where can i find it
[19:57] <tgm4883> morph3k, this is a small home network?
[19:57] <morph3k> yep
[19:57] <tgm4883> morph3k, it's probably your router then
[19:57] <MarKsaitis> I know, why have it there anyways... no point. What do you mean experimental... there is a stable version of it... the code is ok, no more experiments with it, its good to use :D
[19:58] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I don't have the time to discuss the differences in repositories and what experimental means. Basically it's needing testing on debian (which isn't 100% true, as then it would be in the testing repo)
[19:58] <morph3k> it didnt change tgm4883....
[19:58] <woodt> Currently using Drupal 6 on 10.04.  Seems that core and a few modules haven't been updated lately.  Anyone know what gives?
[19:58] <STMelon> for debian and/or canonical to determine if the package is stable to work with their OS it goes through testing, just because it may be stable within the samba community, it may not be completely functional within debian/ubuntu
[19:58] <tgm4883> morph3k, you put all that info in there?
[19:58] <tgm4883> morph3k, in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:59] <MarKsaitis> whatever the reasons are, I still find it ridiculous :) thank you for your atention
[19:59] <STMelon> even so, if it is functional in the debian/ubuntu world. it still goes through a process
[19:59] <morph3k> yes tgm4883
[19:59] <morph3k> then id id the ifconfig eth0 down
[19:59] <morph3k> up
[19:59] <tgm4883> morph3k, did you restart networking or the machine?
[19:59] <tgm4883> morph3k, that isn't restarting networking
[19:59] <morph3k> ok how do i restart the networking
[19:59] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, there is lots of software that doesn't get updated in an LTS, some that are far more used than Samba4
[20:00] <tgm4883> morph3k, 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[20:00] <STMelon> kinda like windows, the updates dont install libreoffice 4 etc etc .. you have to manually install it yourself
[20:00] <STMelon> here in ubuntu, you have the choice to install the upgrades as well.
[20:00] <STMelon> but you have to do it manually
[20:00] <tgm4883> STMelon, the samba4 team hasn't even updated the samba4 PPA
[20:01] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:01] <MarKsaitis> well, on windows, the os and the programs are two seperate things, OS is stable, and you can have whatever soft installed and running in seconds, experimental or just for the plain fun - the system doesnt give a toss :D
[20:01] <STMelon> i dont use samba i have it disabled anyays
[20:01] <morph3k> blah just errors tgm4883
[20:01] <morph3k> i give up
[20:01] <tgm4883> STMelon, I'm wondering if it's as easy as a apt-get source samba4, grabbing the release, and building it
[20:01] <tgm4883> morph3k, what errors?
[20:01] <morph3k> failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate no such file or directory
[20:01] <STMelon> prolly, or the ppa
[20:01] <morph3k> for both ifdown and ifup
[20:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that is very much the same thing for Linux, only better (eg. more separate)
[20:02] <tgm4883> morph3k, why are you doing ifdown and ifup?
[20:02] <tgm4883> morph3k, how about you don't touch those again and just reboot the machine
[20:02] <MarKsaitis> well, if it is, I only want to install sogo + samba 4 + openchange = impossible mission :) not so seperate
[20:02] <tgm4883> STMelon, well there isn't a PPA for samba4 that has the release on it for 12.04
[20:03] <STMelon> tell MarKsaitis that, like i said i dont even have samba enabled
[20:03] <STMelon> lol
[20:03] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, have you tried what I suggested above?
[20:03] <STMelon> or better yet, i dont have samba installed
[20:03] <morph3k> i didnt
[20:03] <morph3k> look tgm4883
[20:03] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, which sugestion? :)
[20:03] <sidney_> Yesterday I had a problem with 10.04 booting to a black screen. The problem had to do with hibernation so it is working now
[20:04] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, doing the apt-get source, grabbing the release tarball,and seeing if it builds
[20:04] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/tr57 tgm4883
[20:04] <morph3k> i got to save a little bit of code
[20:04] <morph3k> so
[20:04] <tgm4883> morph3k, interesting
[20:04] <morph3k> it happens i guess
[20:04] <morph3k> ill just reinstall
[20:04] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, well, I built it from source already. samba4 is working like a charm from source
[20:04] <MarKsaitis> no problems whatsoever with it :)
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, ok, then I'm really not sure the issue then
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, unless you are saying it should just be available
[20:05] <MarKsaitis> the problem is, that the system thinks samba4 is not installed and none of the other library packages going with it are installed.
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, well doing what I suggested above would resolve that
[20:05] <MarKsaitis> and having said that, if I try to apt-get install openchange, the systems shuts me up in a second.... It sugest me that crappy samba4 alpha....
[20:05] <Guest46388> i have problem with backtrack 5
[20:06] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, as you would have the package installed
[20:06] <tgm4883> !backtrack | Guest46388
[20:06] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, I dont get it :)
[20:06] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I mean, I'm willing to try it after lunch if you want
[20:07] <MarKsaitis> tell me what do you mean as I didn't quite get it
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, if you grab the source (via apt-get source samba4) it downloads the packaging stuff for samba4, then grab the release tarball, and you can build it (eg. make a .deb of samba 4)
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, then just install that deb
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, there might be some tweaking involved, I haven't tried doing that but it should work
[20:08] <tgm4883> You'll probably need a 'apt-get build-deps samba4' in there somewhere
[20:08] <Guest46388> my problem is firefox
[20:08] <guinpennep> Hi, I am very very new to linux/ubuntu. I am in trouble here and this is my last restort. question. How do I reformat my usb flash stick and install ubuntu on it so it auto installs?
[20:08]  * genii-around slides phunyguy a coffee
[20:08] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:08] <morph3k> guinpennep: format it to FAT32
[20:08] <morph3k> put ubuntu on it
[20:08] <morph3k> boot from USB
[20:08] <histo> !usb | guinpennep
[20:09] <guinpennep> Ok, i am very new.. Just a moment.
[20:09] <guinpennep> How do I format my hardrive? With disk?
[20:09] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, sounds like too much advanced for me as i never tried this stuff, I bet it wouldnt work for me and I would find myself after 1 day even in a bigger hole digging some other stuff in this whole thing, like in 10th level recursion trying to solve problem underneath problem
[20:09] <morph3k> nope that usb will doit for ya :)
[20:09] <guinpennep> Accidently installed 1500 files
[20:09] <morph3k> if u can though
[20:09] <morph3k> getting it on a dvd is better
[20:09] <morph3k> and guinpennep
[20:09] <histo>  guinpennep You can format it from the usb.
[20:09] <morph3k> if ur REALLY new
[20:09] <guinpennep> from the usb?
[20:10] <morph3k> u might want to look at linux mint
[20:10] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, you've installed something from source, you have done more than most people and aren't very far from making a package
[20:10] <histo> guinpennep: what's you native language?
[20:10] <morph3k> it has a lot better GUI
[20:10] <guinpennep> I just dropped out of college, micro soft server.
[20:10] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that said, I'll try it after lunch and see what happens
[20:10] <guinpennep> English
[20:10] <morph3k> the ubuntu GUI blows now
[20:10] <morph3k> i just use ubuntu for server
[20:10] <morph3k> bc its got a nice solid infrastructure
[20:10] <morph3k> but they ruined it with unity
[20:10] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, thank you :) sounds very kind of you, I doubt it's gonna work but hey :)
[20:10] <guinpennep> Going to get my certification in linux, just read the begginers manual.
[20:10] <tgm4883> morph3k, unity is pretty nice
[20:10] <histo> !notunity | morph3k
[20:11] <STMelon> <- likes unity
[20:11] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, if you stay in this channel, I'll let you know
[20:11] <morph3k> gnome is just as bad
[20:11] <tgm4883> I'm about to head to lunch, so we'll see
[20:11] <histo> morph3k: You can install cinaman in ubuntu as well.
[20:11] <morph3k> can u put Xfce on it>
[20:11] <histo> morph3k: yes
[20:11] <MarKsaitis> since I went with sources regarding samba4 stuff, I think I will need to source build openchange too
[20:11] <histo> !xfce | morph3k
[20:11] <morph3k> if ur gonna do cinnamon might a swell do linux mint
[20:11] <morph3k> xfce is nice
[20:11] <guinpennep> I am going to stick with ubuntu for now.
[20:11] <morph3k> guinpennep: go with xubuntu.org
[20:11] <morph3k> xfce is WAY BETTER
[20:11] <Eax> Hey there - Installed Ubuntu on my desktop machine. I have a RAID0 with Windows on it, and an HDD for Ubuntu - The RAID0 is /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - The Ubuntu is /dev/sdc - I tried putting the GRUB Bootloader on /dev/sda, but it failed, so I chose /dev/sdc and it worked - But it doesn't seem like GRUB is the bootloader as it loads directly into Windows. Any ideas folks? :) Thanks!
[20:12] <guinpennep> oh. I ubuntu.d .com
[20:12] <guinpennep> Screw me
[20:12] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:12] <guinpennep> I wish I dl'd a irc client right away.
[20:12] <guinpennep> Been using IRC since 1997
[20:12] <guinpennep> ninety five.
[20:13] <doomlord> how is ubuntu on he nexus 7
[20:13] <guinpennep> Can't believe what W did with 8.
[20:13] <STMelon> IRC since 98 for me
[20:14] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, okay, well let me know, very kind :)
[20:14] <guinpennep> Played text based video games since 95
[20:14] <STMelon> and if i wanted a TABLET i'd go buy one, and not Win 8, refuses win8
[20:14] <ecks> Hello, I broke my networking in 12.10. How can I fix it through commandline?
[20:14] <eni> is ix86 only for 32b or 64b intels as well/
[20:14] <yacc-in> i want to punch the "Online Accounts" settings UI Developer in the face.
[20:15] <DeadWeasel> shoulda been playing doom and quake
[20:15] <Tex_Nick> guinpennep:  #ubuntu-offtopic is for chat ... this channel is for specific support questions
[20:15] <cnb_> I'm having a problem installing Munin.  The Munin mailing list claims it's a problem with the Ubuntu package.  How can I fix it?
[20:15] <DeadWeasel> dialing in to your friends
[20:15] <STMelon> x86 is 32bit
[20:15] <yacc-in> seriously... if you dare to choose a fixed window height, make sure i can use everthing that is ever going to be displayed in side of it!"
[20:15] <histo> Eax: You would have to install grub to the mbr of the raid device
[20:15] <yacc-in> now i cant log in to flickr.
[20:15] <yacc-in> who even thinks of stupid things like that?
[20:15] <Eax> histo: How would I go about that? (Also, thanks!)
[20:16] <guinpennep> xubuntu.org? are you sure?
[20:16] <triplebb> I am a but lost in "nautilus" in lubuntu.  The window will not go "up" to show all drives. I can't see the flash drive since I closed the window that comes up when it is inserted. And I can't do an "eject" on it. Anyone familiar with lubuntu?
[20:16] <histo> !grub2 | Eax
[20:16] <histo> triplebb: Why are yo using nautilus in lubuntu?
[20:17] <nomodeset> where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:17] <triplebb> Ph5 on a windows system?
[20:17] <Eax> histo: That doesnt really say much about it :S
[20:18] <ecks> anyone? :)
[20:18] <Eax> ecks: How did you break it? :)
[20:18] <triplebb> His to, I said "nautilus" in quotes cause I meant the gui-ls whatever it is called.
[20:19] <histo> Eax: Sure it does it shows you how to install grub
[20:19] <nomodeset> I need to compile firefox, but i need a library that i can not found, where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:19] <triplebb> histo: ^^^
[20:19] <guinpennep> I have a lot of questions, apologies ={
[20:19] <ecks> Eax: I don't really know, it decided to whitescreen whenever I load the partition, but I can access tty through ctrl+alt+f1
[20:19] <Eax> histo: Ah, fair point - Thanks :)
[20:19] <histo> triplebb: pcmanfm is the default file manager in lubuntu. What is the issue now?
[20:19] <Eax> ecks: Can you ping anything?
[20:20] <ecks> Eax: nope
[20:20] <triplebb> I need help with partitioning. Fdisk sees them, gparted does not.. Says "Can't have partition outside of disk." How can I fix this mess?    Been reading man sfdisk and my head swims.
[20:20] <Eax> ecks: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-network-restart/ <- MIGHT works :)
[20:20] <cnb_> Where can I get help with an Ubuntu packaging issue?
[20:20] <AlecTaylor> trijntje: just use fdisk
[20:20] <AlecTaylor> It's not that difficult
[20:21] <parallel21> I feel I install ubuntu server so much. Does anyone know anything about makign post install script or the like?
[20:21] <ecks> Eax: It doesn't
[20:21] <bekks> parallel21: post install script for what?
[20:21] <maurice> quick question
[20:22] <histo> triplebb: are there files present? Also fdisk doesn't understand gpt
[20:22] <triplebb> histo: I am a bit lost using "pcmanfm" in lubuntu.  The window will not go "up" to show all drives. I can't see the flash drive since I closed the window that comes up when it is inserted. And I can't do an "eject" on it. Anyone familiar with lubuntu?
[20:22] <maurice> does grub start after teh ubunutu crypt program and you have entered in your details?
[20:23] <Eax> ecks: No clue then, sorry :/
[20:23] <triplebb> histo: also I forgot how to look at flash drive or eject it in terminal.
[20:23] <parallel21> bekks: For ubuntu server. Or ubuntu for that matter. I build a server tear it down or feel it too messy. I'd like to build a server with a sort of auto-install script. Maybe I should just create an image to image on computers. Just something to make the install process simpler. I always seems to forget a step or two when repeating an install
[20:23] <triplebb> histo:  my main problem is gparted can't see partitions and I must fix them.
[20:23] <ecks> Eax: thanks anyway. anyone else?
[20:24] <tgm4883> parallel21, puppet FTW
[20:24] <dariush> Hi every one
[20:24] <nomodeset> I need to compile firefox, but i need a library that i can not found, where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:24] <triplebb> histo: I am using a LiveCD. I also have a 12.04 Ubuntu LiveCD. The computer is old'
[20:25] <triplebb> histo: I am using a LiveCD. I also have a 12.04 Ubuntu LiveCD. The computer is old 2002, dell 1100
[20:25] <yacc-in> where can i configure the notifications (position)?
[20:26] <dariush> I need to chat with an american about ubuntu for my English class home work and I dont know english well :(
[20:26] <parallel21> tgm4883: Yeah? You use it much?
[20:26] <tgm4883> parallel21, yep, I use it at work when provisioning a new ubuntu server
[20:26] <guma> I was wondering is there is a way to create user 'suser' with nologon (I got that) and setup so users from specific group can 'su - suser' with no password? Anyone can help. Please pm me.. Thanx
[20:27] <daze> dariush: why necessarily American? :)
[20:27] <StevenR> guma: man sudoers ?
[20:27] <parallel21> tgm4883: Also aren't there recipes for puppet? Or am I thinking chef lingo...
[20:27] <guinpennep> How do I make my usb stick bootable?
[20:27] <dariush> daze : no but know eng well
[20:27] <guma> StevenR: I did but I almost locked myself out :)
[20:27] <StevenR> guma: and use sudo :)
[20:28] <tgm4883> parallel21, manifests, but yea it sounds similar
[20:28] <StevenR> guma: implement carefully on a test system or test VM then
[20:28] <daze> dariush: what do you want to know about Ubuntu? :)
[20:28] <parallel21> tgm4883: Aye, well then I will dive into this. Thanks for the tip
[20:28] <guma> StevenR: thanx :)
[20:28] <triplebb> histo: yes there are files on the windows partition and on a dell partition. The Linux partitions 'she throws up her hands' are no matter'
[20:28] <cnb_> Is this the right forum to ask about Ubuntu packaging issues?
[20:29] <dariush> daze : something about ubuntu philosophy and it usage in other countries
[20:29] <tgm4883> cnb_, you could, or also in #ubuntu-packaging
[20:29] <nsahoo> hi, is theere a way to hide unity top bar--the bar that is supposed to contain the menus?
[20:29] <cnb_> I'll try ubuntu-packaging.  I can't seem to get any takers here.
[20:30] <guinpennep> I've been stucking trying to reinstall Ubuntu for Today and Yesterday.  Cannot figure out how to make this flash stick bootable and load the iso onto it.
[20:30] <triplebb> histo: if you meant on the flash drive, yes. The window that came up when I inserted the drive showed them. After that window closed, I double click wed on something, I could not get it back.
[20:30] <nomodeset> fu
[20:31] <daze> dariush: Ubuntu is said to be "Linux for human beings", meaning that it should be simple enough for your mother to use. As opposed to other GNU/Linux distributions that have a more technical aura around them. I encourage reading up about the word and it's meaning at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system), as well as the company behind Ubuntu ;)
[20:32] <yacc-in> can i even change the position of the system notifications?
[20:32] <Eax> histo: Works, many thanks! :)
[20:32] <yacc-in> i wouldn't even wonder if i could not... :/
[20:34] <dariush> daze : ok , but in your country is it popular? I ask this questions because of my eng class , excuse me
[20:34] <nsahoo> not possible? to hide the top panel in ubuntu-unity?
[20:34] <iceroot> nsahoo: the top-panel is holding all the menus from the windows, why hiding it?
[20:35] <nsahoo> iceroot: temporarily, to maximize screenspace
[20:36] <nsahoo> is there a way to make any window fullscreen?
[20:36] <iceroot> nsahoo: have a look at "myunity" maybe it will have an option like that
[20:36] <daze> dariush: It's quite popular among technical people and it's the most popular GNU/Linux distribution around. But it's nowhere near Windows or even Mac OS. There's a handy chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems. I'll try to find popularity by country now.. ;]
[20:37] <nsahoo> iceroot: thanks
[20:38] <dariush> daze : tnx daze , and in other languge does it have support?
[20:38] <Dii_Pundiih> hi. What is the name for the info popup messages showing up at times like when network is on or of and so on?
[20:39] <daze> dariush: ok, so these are a couple of dated articles - http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/ & http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/21/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/ . I don't see why the trend should not have continued, so those should give you a general idea on how popular Linux is (Ubuntu is around 90% of that, according to http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_subversion.php?time
[20:39] <daze> frame=last_6&interval=month&chart_id=4&limit%5B%5D=Ubuntu&holder%5B%5D=linux )
[20:41] <Apes> What's with all the browsers disabling Java recently? If was really about "security" they would disable javascript too.
[20:42] <dariush> daze : ;)
[20:42] <daze> dariush: sorry, that last link might be misleading. I'll try to get a better one now. Also, there's recent data on OS popularity from W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp . It does not represent a global audience (it's meant to be a site for technical, web-related stuff), but check it out.
[20:42] <iceroot> Apes: javascript is not a security-issue like java
[20:42] <iceroot> Apes: and java and javascript are totally different things
[20:43] <Apes> iceroot: javascript has security issues, just like javascript.
[20:43] <Apes> replace one of those with java
[20:43] <yacc-in> Apes: javascript usually is sandboxed. java is not or can break out of sandboxes due to java bugs
[20:44] <nomodeset> fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/jsalloc.o.pp: No such file or directory
[20:44] <nomodeset> compilation terminated.
[20:44] <dariush> daze : if i become a ubuntu user can I find good apps for app developing. Im not sure about it.
[20:44] <Apes> yacc-in: People find ways to break out of javascript sandboxes as well
[20:45] <daze> dariush: ok, so this seems to be a good article on the topic - http://ego2dot0.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/why-ubuntu-keeps-50-of-linux-market-share/ . I imagine Ubuntu has picked up somewhat since then, so it should be in the area of 60% at least.
[20:45] <yacc-in> Apes: but you can fix your own javascript way faster than oracle can fix bugs in java
[20:45] <yacc-in> also oracle-java comes with adware >_>
[20:46] <yacc-in> which it tries to install on every software update
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: opt-in adware, but that's not a reason to ban already installed software from a browser.
[20:46] <yacc-in> and what would anyone need java for anyways
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: It has overlap with what Google is pushing javascript for.
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: Office apps and similar things
[20:47] <yacc-in> why would office apps need java?
[20:47] <yacc-in> that makes no sense at all :D
[20:47] <yacc-in> if yours do, please use better office apps :p
[20:47] <daze> dariush: Linux has great support and tools for programmers. In fact, it's best suited for them. Graphical designers, video and audio people have harder time here, but some still manage. Programmers and word-smiths are totally at home. It's also perfect for all the web browsing you need. Gamers are better suited by Windows, but the situation is slowly changing for the better with a recent release of Steam for Linux.
[20:48] <Apes> yacc-in: Somewhere around 50% of all internet apps are Java based.
[20:48] <yacc-in> Apes: i dont think so oO
[20:48] <yacc-in> javascript yes
[20:48] <yacc-in> but java... no way...
[20:48] <iceroot> Apes: that is wrong
[20:48] <iceroot> Apes: and offtopic
[20:48] <daze> Apes: no way that's right
[20:48] <Apes> yacc-in: You're just used to userland internet apps, but corporations take up a huge chunk. And they use mostly Java.
[20:49] <Apes> Cisco's VPN stuff uses Java, for example
[20:49] <yacc-in> thats the same myth like most companies still use IE 5
[20:49] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff
[20:49] <daze> enterprise uses Java, but it should not take 50% imho
[20:49] <yacc-in> what VPN Stuff? the config website? you dont use that...
[20:49] <tripelb> histo I am in windows now and can see 2 partitions on the HD and maybe 3. One is named F: and called "local drive" while the CD is E:
[20:49] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff plz tell me i open lr cc cvv room
[20:50] <tripelb> His to I am on phone and got disconnected here.
[20:50] <tripelb> histo:  I am on phone and got disconnected here.
[20:50] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff plz tell me i open lr cc cvv room
[20:50] <yacc-in> but yeah, cisco is a good example for why java sucks. to access the java config webapp i need to instalol a really old netscape version using wine.
[20:50] <DJones> jutt: This is Ubuntu support, do you have a support question?
[20:51] <yacc-in> because java is not a tiny bit plattform independent... >_>
[20:52] <tripelb> jutt: you are in #ubuntu please tell your setup and your problem.
[20:52] <dariush> daze : I love OpenSource world, Can I learn ubuntu fast for programming fast? I am a Java programmer and know a developer for android, is eclipse in ubuntu good for programming for ubuntu Or ...?
[20:53]  * yacc-in runs away scared and screaming \o/ "ahhh eclipse....."
[20:54] <daze> dariush: yes, Eclipse works on Ubuntu the same way it works on Windows. I can't tell you it will be easy to feel comfortable in GNU/Linux world, but once you learn a few things, you'll never go back. Also, you'll fall in love with the command line and simplicity/customizability of things. Also, the community and spirit ;)
[20:54] <tripelb> my main problem is gparted can't see partitions and I must fix this. Fdisk sees partitions. Windows sees partitions, the NTFS ones anyway..
[20:55] <yacc-in> daze: speaking of that: how can i change the position of system notifications? or the position of the "dock"? :o
[20:55] <daze> dariush: btw, Android is basically a Linux kernel with Java shell
[20:55] <daze> yacc-in: if you're using Unity, you can't, sadly. Yet.
[20:55] <yacc-in> not even notifications? oO
[20:55] <yacc-in> why would i want them on the secondary screen? :(
[20:56] <yacc-in> can i please become head of QA of ubuntu? :(
[20:56] <daze> there's a hackish way to order application indicators, but Unity has really far to go in this area
[20:56] <tripelb> I need to fix my partition table so I can install Ubuntu.
[20:57] <dariush> daze : yes i know about android but I think its a little diffrent, ubuntu is originally linux and more interesting in my mind :)
[20:57] <yacc-in> application indicators?
[20:57] <daze> dariush: Andorid is less 'open', so to speak. I await Ubuntu on phones! :)
[20:58] <daze> yacc-in: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/how-to-change-application-indicators.html
[20:58] <dydzEz2> how does ubuntu determine the partitions are windows 8
[20:58] <yacc-in> daze: wasnt maemo truely open? where is it now? :/
[20:58] <dariush> daze : ubuntu on phone????
[20:58] <yacc-in> daze: ah, that. i dont care which order those are in, i just want the notifications on the main screen where i can see them :d
[20:58] <ThinkT510> !phone | dariush
[20:59] <yacc-in> is there maybe at least a way to get whats ncurrently playing in spotify as a notification?
[20:59] <daze> dariush: yes, there was some announcements recently. check out http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
[20:59] <zorgborg> hey people, vlc is the registered application for opening the rubbish bin (i messed it up somehow) how to change back to nautilus?
[20:59] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, ok, so there is another reason this might not work right on 12.04
[21:00] <mstenta> Is it possible to install Gnome extensions from the command line?
[21:00] <dariush> daze : very good :)
[21:00] <daze> yacc-in: maemo lacked commercial support, I suppose. Ubuntu might just have it and do something real..
[21:00] <xangua> yacc-in: don't know if this wors with quantal quetzal http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/closable-movable-notifyosd.html
[21:00] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, guys from openchange claim that inverse provides beautiful repos for samba4 http://inverse.ca/ubuntu/pool/precise/s/ which are always stable and working fine for ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:00] <ryansipes> daze: Also, two phones already announced for October
[21:01] <yacc-in> xangua: thanks, i will give it a try
[21:01] <daze> yeah, we'll see when they arrive :]
[21:01] <MarKsaitis> so, I suppose there are no reasons for it not to work. im removing my source install and going ahead with all that stuff
[21:01] <dariush> daze : I dont find it, can developers sell them apps in ubuntu software center?
[21:01] <Micky> Hi all
[21:01] <Micky> can someone help me with a problem ?
[21:01] <ThinkT510> we can but try
[21:01] <tripelb> dariush: I am intend I g to install Ubuntu on the nexus 7
[21:02] <tripelb> !ask| Micky
[21:02] <daze> dariush: theoretically, there will be a single software center for all Ubuntu apps and those apps will work throughout the devices, be it desktop, phone or tv
[21:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, sweet, so they worked out the dependency issues then
[21:02] <riegersn> is it possible to customize my trackpad functionality? example, I can right click with 2 finger click, but I want to turn OFF right click when clicking on the right side of the pad. is this possible?
[21:02] <Micky> My problem is that when I try to login to Lubuntu 12.04 (after login mask) the screen goes in saving mode
[21:02] <Fox1976> hi :)
[21:02] <kostkon> yacc-in, http://code.google.com/p/spotify-notify/
[21:02] <Micky> and I'm unable to work with PC
[21:02] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, I hope for the best
[21:02] <yacc-in> kostkon: thanks :)
[21:02] <dariush> tripelb : I have an galaxy tab 2 7.0, can I install on it?
[21:02] <jrib> riegersn: maybe, check out the synaptics documentation
[21:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, sounds good, I'd use that one then
[21:03] <jrib> !synaptics | riegersn
[21:03] <MarKsaitis> now thank you very much, im outta here
[21:03] <TomSlominski> Hi. When I ruin scanimage -L as a normal user it segfaults, is anyone else experiencing this?
[21:04] <Micky> googling I found that I have to try with cat .xsession-errors command in order to see what is the problem
[21:04] <tripelb> dariush: I don't know. I am still looking for the place to connect with that community, before I start. Posting on ubuntuforums.org will be my next step. It's a good resource.
[21:04] <Fox1976> VPN - I connect my wheezy to a zeroshell openvp and i can work quite good. In the same house if i connect with ubuntu 12.10 the vpn seems connected but after 10 sec. i lost connection with other pc in vpn. Any idea?
[21:04] <Micky> and my result is http://pastebin.com/ExZPk54p
[21:04] <Micky> any idea on how to solve it ?
[21:05] <dariush> daze : can use free software to make apps for sell?
[21:05] <tripelb> Micky, all on one line or the person who reads your third line will assume you are being helped and in the middle of a conversation. - takes a bit of getting used to around here and... Sometimes other is no one around ATM who knows your problem.
[21:06] <e> Where I am?
[21:06] <dariush> tripelb : what do you think about it? android or ubuntu on phone?
[21:06] <dariush> e : here :)
[21:06] <daze> dariush: GPL allows you to make money on software. It just makes you give the source code along with the program. So there are various money-making schemes, it's a broad topic really.
[21:06] <Guest27179> where&
[21:07] <Micky> sorry tripelb
[21:07] <yacc-in> xangua: hmm i dont seem to be able to move them from the secondary to the primary screen with that :/
[21:07] <tripelb> Much, so remember the !ask not reply said to tell your situation, inc hardware and the problem, all on one line. Good luck. I just tried lubuntu and got stuck.
[21:08] <daze> dariush: also, you can "use" GPL apps (Eclipse, etc.) to make proprietary software if you don't include any of GPLed code in your programs. It's just that GPL "infects" the codebase with the license and you have to open your source when you release the program.
[21:08] <tripelb> Micky:  if you remember, the !ask bot reply said to tell your situation, inc hardware and the problem, all on one line. --- Good luck. I just tried lubuntu and got stuck.
[21:09] <dariush> daze : can u describe ubuntu in a sentence?
[21:09] <Fox1976> any vpn guru around?
[21:09] <Corey> !expert | Fox1976
[21:10] <tripelb> Micky, and I have been trying for over a week to solve this partitioning problem. I have to be patient. Sometimes I can help beginners.
[21:10] <daze> dariush: GNU/Linux working out-of-the-box.
[21:10] <tgm4883> daze, I'm not sure that is 100% correct. You only have to release the source code for the open source parts
[21:10] <tgm4883> daze, eg. components can still be closed source
[21:11] <Micky> tripelb about the software I have Lubuntu 12.04 and for the hardware I have this: http://pastebin.com/xfyiu0kM. I tried in Lubuntu room but they suggested to try here
[21:11] <daze> tgm4883: any code that uses other GPLed code must be GPLed. Components that can work standalone can be licensed separately. This is the case for games, where the engine is opensource, but graphics are not.
[21:11] <chrisHPHP> I've installled ubuntu 12.10 alongside windows 8 in EFI, upon boot it boots straight into windows 8 , no grub, I've used boot repair to restore it and it says successful,  but it says i have to make my bios boot from sda/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi how do I do this?
[21:11] <tgm4883> daze, closed source programs that use open source libraries can exist though
[21:12] <chrisHPHP> sda2***
[21:12] <dariush> daze : great. I have a good feel about Open world know. thanks alot daze ;) here is night, good night.
[21:12] <daze> tgm4883: only if the open source libraries can be swapped. It's somewhat of a gray area that had discussions in regards to Wordpress/Drupal themes.
[21:13] <daze> dariush: good luck with your report ;)
[21:13] <chrisHPHP> My computer is an HP paviliong6 model 2244ca
[21:13] <escott> tripelb, please don't use fdisk. please send the output of "sudo parted -l"
[21:14] <tgm4883> daze, you're saying it's only ok if the open source libraries can be removed and closed source ones replace them?
[21:15] <tgm4883> daze, I think the issue is that there is zero case law on this
[21:15] <escott> chrisHPHP, have you gone into the UEFI menu and made sure that the grub boot option is included in the boot menu
[21:16] <media-centre> hallo
[21:16] <escott> tgm4883, the terminology in the GPL license is "derivative work" hire a lawyer and get a letter if you are concerned you may be falsely accused of being a derivative work
[21:16] <media-centre> is anyone here good on xbmc
[21:16] <gregory> ciao
[21:16] <gregory> ciao a tutti raga
[21:16] <media-centre> im trying to install bbc iplayer on xbmc
[21:16] <escott> tgm4883, or if you dont know where that line is (and truth is nobody really knows where the line is)
[21:16] <gregory> ho appena installato linux
[21:17] <chrisHPHP> i went in there at one point,  i'm not sure if it is,  My computer will only boot the live cd like 1 out of 25 tries for some horrible reason
[21:17] <chrisHPHP> i should check i guess
[21:17] <ThinkT510> !it | gregory
[21:17] <tgm4883> escott, that is correct. And just because a closed source program may use an open source library, doesn't make it a deritive work
[21:17] <gregory> thanks
[21:19] <daze> tgm4883: no, I'm saying that the libraries in use must be used via open APIs or something like that. Meaning that one could write an alternative implementation (that uses any license) and swap the opensource lib being used.
[21:19] <daze> if you compile them inside your code, the code is "infected" :)
[21:20] <tgm4883> daze, ah, it was confusing then
 dariush: also, you can "use" GPL apps (Eclipse, etc.) to make proprietary software if you don't include any of GPLed code in your programs. It's just that GPL "infects" the codebase with the license and you have to open your source when you release the program.
[21:20] <daze> and you're right about there being no precedent
[21:20] <tgm4883> daze, the way I read that is that if you use an open source program to make proprietary software, you now have to open source your software if you release it
[21:20] <daze> yeah, I should maybe have been clearer in separating GPL-licensed tools and GPL-licensed code
[21:21] <escott> tgm4883, usually not any more than typing a novel in MS Word means that MSFT owns the copyright on the novel
[21:22] <tgm4883> escott, right, and that is what I was disagreeing with
[21:22] <tgm4883> escott, daze seems I just misunderstood what daze was saying
[21:23] <tgm4883> this is probably the best answer for all of that http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NFUseGPLPlugins
[21:25] <daze> yeah, that 'borderline case' is what I called a 'gray area' :]
[21:26] <daze> I think we're all on the same page here.
[21:26] <daze> on the other topic, do you guys got used to the overlay scrollbars? I just changed them back to normal and feel stuborn..
[21:27] <daze> but I really had trouble scrolling them with the mouse. And classic scrollbars are much better for that.
[21:27] <sarthor> HI, .pl files are downloading instead of opening via mozilla, while on chrome that is opening as text. HElp please, I Installed sql-ledger on my ubuntu-server.
[21:28] <cnb_> Where is the best place to get help with a packaging problem?  I've asked repeatedly on here and on #ubuntu-packaging, and gotten no help whatsoever.
[21:28] <tgm4883> cnb_, what is the packaging problem?
[21:29] <media-centre> is anyone here good on xbmc
[21:29] <daze> sarthor: configure a handler to handle .pl files in apache config
[21:29] <media-centre> im trying to install bbc iplayer on xbmc
[21:30] <tripelb> escott: OK will do that when I return. I am called IRL. ATM  thanks. (From my phone, no home internet, sigh)
[21:30] <cnb_> I installed Munin on 12.10 from the repo.  It appears to be misconfigured.  The Munin mailing list insists that's a packaging problem, and I need to take it up with the packagers.  Specifically, "If you want to use Ubuntu, then you need to be willing to tolerate their (seeming) lack of QA."
[21:30] <media-centre> ok nevermind
[21:30] <tgm4883> cnb_, you would need to file a bug then
[21:31] <cnb_> Where?  How?
[21:31] <tgm4883> cnb_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/munin/+filebug
[21:32] <sarthor> daze: I am not expert. Can you give some clue please.
[21:34] <daze> sarthor: read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html. You need to "Options +ExecCGI" for the directory the .pl files are in, chmod them to 755 (i.e. make the file executable) and "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl"
[21:35] <MarKsaitis> can smbd pls help me now?
[21:35] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, page 9 http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf can I use these backports on my ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[21:35] <daze> sarthor: there are multiple ways to set the handler. But whatever files have the handler cgi-script set, they will be executed as cgi-scripts if the folder has ExecCGI permission and the file is executable on the filesystem
[21:36] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, IDK
[21:36] <MarKsaitis> :( what a shame, I feel like disabled, can't even follow some guides on my own :D
[21:37] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I'm assuming you're talking about the debian-backports?
[21:37] <daze> sarthor: furthermore, this is really more of a question for #httpd :)
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> I don't know, look at page 9, title says its also for ubuntu 12.04 :D but it only talks about debian backports, so I don't know
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> very very confusing as hell
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> I just can't get over it
[21:37] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, "Debian Squeeze ships an older version of some libraries required by Samba 4.  In order to
[21:37] <tgm4883> workaround this, users of this distribution will have to use the “squeeze-backports” repository"
[21:38] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that seems pretty clear to me
[21:38] <ThinkT510> tgm4883: never mix different distribution repositories
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> well, it implies that it is not needed for ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[21:39] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, exactly
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> wonderful :)
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> I am skipping this one then
[21:39] <tgm4883> ThinkT510, While that is a good rule of thumb, that isn't what I said and not what we are discussing
[21:39] <cnb_> Okay, I reported it.  I suppose I'm SOL until it's reviewed and/or addressed?
[21:40] <tgm4883> cnb_, depends on what is misconfigured
[21:40] <tgm4883> cnb_, link to bug report?
[21:40] <MarKsaitis> but guess what, for example smbclient is in 3.6 version.... whereas it should be 4!!!
[21:40] <cnb_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/munin/+bug/1119792
[21:40] <melty> lol
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> which I guess means that i do need these backports on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883,
[21:41] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I thought you said there was a repo with 4 in it
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> ys, but there isn't smbclient package in there :)))))
[21:42] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, did you enable the repo at http://inverse.ca/ubuntu/pool/precise/s/
[21:42] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, sure :)
[21:42] <MarKsaitis> I did apt-cache show smbclient and it said 3.6
[21:42] <sarthor> daze: that sql-ledger-httpd.conf is like this
[21:42] <sarthor> Alias /sql-ledger/ /usr/share/sql-ledger/
[21:42] <sarthor> <Directory /usr/share/sql-ledger>
[21:42] <sarthor>   AddHandler cgi-script .pl
[21:42] <sarthor>   Options ExecCGI Includes FollowSymlinks

[21:42] <FloodBot1> sarthor: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:43] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, yea, there isn't a smbclient package on there
[21:43] <tgm4883> there is samba4-clients and libsmbclient-raw
[21:43] <tgm4883> IDK what either of those are for
[21:43] <MarKsaitis> yeah, and now I am confused :)
[21:45] <sarthor> here is the link daze : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1626809/ may be your busy , If you have time and can help, that is why I showed you the orignal file.
[21:45] <daze> sarthor: use Options +ExecCGI +Includes +FollowSymlinks
[21:45] <sarthor> you are*
[21:46] <giblartar> Hey people
[21:46] <giblartar> I have problem
[21:46] <MarKsaitis> everybody have a problem :D
[21:46] <giblartar> I have program in python. How to add this to apps?
[21:46] <giblartar> :-D
[21:46] <giblartar> MarKsaitis: I know
[21:46] <MarKsaitis> giblartar, :))))))))))
[21:47] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I don't see in that PDF where it want's you to install smbclient
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, apps?
[21:47] <sarthor> daze: I made the changes you told me. but restart apache2, but same problem.
[21:47] <giblartar> yeah
[21:47] <giblartar> programs
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, could you bee a little bit more specific
[21:47] <kostkon> be*
[21:47] <giblartar> ok
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, in your dash and launcher?
[21:47] <giblartar> yeah
[21:48] <giblartar> :-)
[21:48] <datsmoida> what is the best simple tool to monitor my network / bandwidth ?
[21:48] <giblartar> kostkon: I try to create .desktop file
[21:48] <giblartar> kostkon: and lock to left bar
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: But its not works
[21:49] <sarthor> daze: now restarting machine. lets see.
[21:49] <daze> sarthor: strange. it should really work..
[21:49] <leonlemouton> datsmoida : wireshark?
[21:49] <daze> did you chmod +x them?
[21:49] <daze> no need to restart machine :)
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: I think i must add this program to some magic
[21:49] <kostkon> giblartar, try this: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/menulibre-1301-released-significant-under-hood-improvements
[21:49] <daze> `apachectl restart` should be enough
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: ok wait
[21:50] <tgm4883> leonlemouton, I don't think wireshark would fall under the category of "bandwidth monitor", nor under simple
[21:51] <datsmoida> isn't there just some simple command like top
[21:51] <datsmoida> that shows how much bandwidth i'm using
[21:51] <ThinkT510> !info ntop | datsmoida
[21:51] <tgm4883> datsmoida, ntop?
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: imo it was called "vnstat"
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: i have to look on my debian what i am using there to monitor eth0 traffic
[21:52] <iceroot> !info vnstat
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: you can use "apt-cache search foobar" to search for packages for specific tasks
[21:53] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - looking for terminal programs only
[21:53] <datsmoida> iceroot - good idea
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: just use "vnstat" it also can send mails about the traffic
[21:54] <leonlemouton> ok sorry iftop?
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: and vnstati will create images if needed
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: also see http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/networktools1.htm
[21:54] <tgm4883> datsmoida, should probably have said that upfront, iftop
[21:55] <tgm4883> !info iftop | datsmoida
[21:55] <tgm4883> my bad though, I was confusing ntop and iftop in the beginning, iftop is what you want
[21:56] <leonlemouton> :-)
[21:57] <dydzEz2> man ive tried everything, ubuntu/xubuntu wont recognize that windows 8 is on the computer unless i use my recovery usb stick to install w8 which always installs uefi (which i dont want) -- wheres the guide for me to  make partitions in the free space i have from shrinking apart of my w8 partition
[21:58] <bekks> dydzEz2: win8 requires uefi.
[21:58] <iceroot> bekks: no
[21:59] <dydzEz2> no it doesnt
[21:59] <iceroot> bekks: to get the windows logo on a pc uefi is required but not for the system itself
[21:59] <dydzEz2> ive installed it with uefi and without uefi
[21:59] <dydzEz2> without uefi works fine
[21:59] <dydzEz2> no i can see the windows logo fine without uefi
[22:00] <tgm4883> lol
[22:00] <dydzEz2> ive installed windows 3 different ways: #1 installing uefi from my recovery partition i put on a usb stick, #2 booting in legacy and installing from a w8 disc, #3 booting in uefi and installing from a w8 disc
[22:00] <dydzEz2> all worked fine including the 2nd way
[22:00] <iceroot> and all are offtopic :)
[22:00] <chrishphp> I've installed ubuntu 12.10 64 bit , hp pavilion G6 2244ca, it's being really glitchy for some reason,  weird shapes and screen glitches, I have AMD ,, but i'm not sure there is 64 bit support for my exact model, should I try 32 bit ?
[22:01] <dydzEz2> anyway i cant find the guide to manually partition the free space in the install
[22:01] <tgm4883> chrishphp, because it surely couldn't be that AMD just makes terrible linux drivers
[22:02] <chrishphp> I was not so aware,  what would you suggest I try ?
[22:02] <dydzEz2> btw the #3 way i installed, ubuntu still didnt recognize w8 even though it was a uefi install and i could boot w8 in secureboot/uefi
[22:03] <tgm4883> chrishphp, probably starting with A) what video card you have, and B) how you installed the drivers
[22:03] <dydzEz2> what exactly is an OEM Partition for?
[22:03] <tgm4883> dydzEz2, what do you mean by "ubuntu still didn't recognize w8"
[22:03] <purezen> Hey guys.. I am trying to do a build process for Firefox for Android and I am stuck..
[22:03] <iceroot> !ot | purezen
[22:04] <marcos> hello can anyone give me a link to download wine?
[22:04] <iceroot> marcos: sudo apt-get install wine
[22:04] <dydzEz2> tgm4883 : when i go to install it, i didnt see the option "install ubuntu alongside windows 8", also if i try to do it manually, the partition is just one whole free space (a white bar) as if there was nothing on my SSD
[22:04] <bekks> !wine | marcos
[22:04] <iceroot> !repos | marcos
[22:04] <tgm4883> iceroot, dang you are fast
[22:05] <datsmoida> does my CPU speed show up in top ?
[22:05] <dydzEz2> i think when i shrink the volume, i can do it manually
[22:05] <tgm4883> dydzEz2, hmm, seems odd to me
[22:05] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:05] <dydzEz2> so im looking for  "the" guide
[22:05] <iceroot> datsmoida: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:05] <datsmoida> or is there some other command to see how much capacity i have in cpu
[22:05] <iceroot> datsmoida: or lscpu
[22:05] <chrishphp> 	AMD Radeon HD 7420G Discrete-Class Graphics >  i've just installed ubuntu just now, and things are glitchy, havn't done anything else
[22:05] <datsmoida> i c
[22:05] <tgm4883> chrishphp, so you aren't using the proprietary drivers then?
[22:05] <datsmoida> CPU MHz:               2133.408
[22:05] <chrishphp> they are downloading as we speak,  that should help?
[22:05] <datsmoida> so there is no command to see how much of my processor is being used atm ?
[22:06] <purezen> Ok my issue is that the support for the ia32-libs multi-aarch is broken in Ubuntu12.10.. I mean it gives.. "no such file or directory" when trying to run the prebuilt gcc on 64-bit Ubunutu
[22:06] <purezen> which usually means missing 32-bit libraries..
[22:06] <tgm4883> chrishphp, and how are you downloading them?
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: the current usage is the "load" shown up in "top" or "uptime"
[22:06] <chrishphp> using the additional drivers app
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: a load of 1 means 1 core is used 100%
[22:06] <tgm4883> purezen, did you install the 32-bit libraries?
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: a load of 3 means 3 cores are at 100%, or one core is at 100%
[22:06] <datsmoida> btw iftop is an awesome program ! !
[22:06] <tgm4883> purezen, ia32-libs doesn't exist anymore
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: yes..
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: but I just installed..:0
[22:07] <bulletrulz> hey i need help i installed e17 but it sends me back to login screen when i try to open it
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: am a newbie to this development porcess though..:)
[22:07] <datsmoida> so load average 0.05 means i am using half a core ?
[22:07] <chrishphp> they have installed, I require a restart I think,
[22:08] <leonlemouton> datsmoida htop
[22:08] <tgm4883> purezen, oh, hmm, I guess it does still exist
[22:08] <away> if your load average is 1 you are using one core (or thread) 100%
[22:08] <tgm4883> purezen, probably need to do a apt-get install <lib>:i386 if you need the 32-bit library for soemthing
[22:08] <datsmoida> my load average is always .4 or .5
[22:08] <datsmoida> i think 1/2 core is all i have
[22:08] <away> not possible
[22:09] <away> grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l
[22:09] <datsmoida> i was told to add ram on this vps but i am hitting some other performance wall
[22:09] <purezen> tgm4883: you mean.. something like.. '.. install ia32-libs:i386'..?
[22:09] <away> issue the above command to see how many cores/threads you have
[22:10] <tgm4883> purezen, no, I mean figure out what library you need, then install the 32-bit version of it
[22:10] <datsmoida> away - CPU (0.6 GHz) 	1
[22:10] <datsmoida> that is my current processor supposedly
[22:10] <away> datsmoida, then everything below 1 is good
[22:10] <away> you might wanna read http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages
[22:10] <datsmoida> this is very bad news
[22:11] <datsmoida> i have repeatedly added ram to this machine
[22:11] <bekks> datsmoida: And?
[22:11] <datsmoida> does not look like cpu is overtaxed
[22:11] <datsmoida> bandwidth is not being nearly met
[22:11] <chrishphp_> yea proprietary drivers are installed through addition drivers app, and it's still glitchy
[22:11] <datsmoida> and yet i am failing to be able to run more programs and the machine literally freezes
[22:11]  * tgm4883 wonders what glitchy means
[22:12] <away> datsmoida, maybe your CPU usage/disk i/o/RAM usage likes to spike
[22:12] <datsmoida> can you say that another way
[22:12] <bekks> datsmoida: Then you have to investigate the problem (stop every program NOT vital for investigation), and investigate whats going on.
[22:12] <dell> Hi, Does anybody know how should I change this command to get the result?
[22:12] <dell> find . -iname *.txt -execdir cp '{}' ~/Documents/target
[22:12] <datsmoida> that is what i am doing
[22:12] <chrishphp_> hard to explain, like.. when I move windows around, little lines spike up and disappear , foldy kind of glitchy looking things
[22:12] <away> maybe you have some process that doesn't use a constant amount of RAM/CPU
[22:12] <datsmoida> i have no other programs running
[22:12] <bekks> dell: What doy ou want to achieve?
[22:12] <datsmoida> i am able to run exactly 13 instances of my program
[22:12] <chrishphp_> the menu's flicker when i scroll through them and stuff
[22:13] <away> datsmoida, what does $ ulimit say
[22:13] <dell> bekks: I want to find and copy every jpg file
[22:13] <bekks> datsmoida: Then run _1_ instance, and check whats going on. Add one more instance, check again, etc.
[22:13] <dell> This command return an error
[22:13] <bekks> dell: find . -type f -iname "*.jpg" -exec cp {} /your/target/directory/ \;
[22:14] <datsmoida> i did that till i got to 13
[22:14] <dell> bekks: let me check that
[22:14] <datsmoida> regardless what i do that is the limit
[22:14] <chrishphp_> would running 32 bit be more stable or better for my model of AMD
[22:14] <tgm4883> this channel is slightly maddening
[22:14] <datsmoida> then programs start to crap out, ultimately machine freezes
[22:15] <bekks> datsmoida: WHAT did you check in detail? CPU load, memory consumption, I/O statistics, I/O bandwidth, network charateristics?
[22:15] <datsmoida> i checked network usage with ntop
[22:15] <datsmoida> no
[22:15] <datsmoida> with iftop
[22:15] <bekks> datsmoida: So why did you add RAM when just checking network usage? :)
[22:15] <datsmoida> ulimit says unlimited
[22:16] <datsmoida> dunno what that means
[22:16] <datsmoida> bekks - well some tech at the vps told me before, oh your scripts are hitting ram hard u need more ram, so i did and that seemed true to a point
[22:16] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, I don't see why it would
[22:16] <datsmoida> before i could run 4-5 programs, now i can run 13
[22:16] <datsmoida> but that was after i doubled or tripled the ram
[22:16] <bekks> datsmoida: Then check the other points mentioned.
[22:16] <datsmoida> now i have 5 units of ram, they are all visible in top
[22:16] <datsmoida> but my upper limit does not increase
[22:17] <chrishphp_> okay, maybe I should try 12.04 instead of 12.10
[22:17] <datsmoida> so it is something beyond RAM
[22:17] <datsmoida> and this guy is off the clock right now
[22:17] <away> 5 units of ram?
[22:17] <iceroot> datsmoida: how much ram?
[22:17] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, possibly. I run 12.10 on my dell laptop with a HD7500M/7600M family graphics card
[22:17] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, works semi fine
[22:17] <bekks> datsmoida: RAM is measured in Bytes - how much MB/GB RAM do you have?
[22:18] <dell> bekks: How can I restrict it to find just in the current directory?
[22:18] <tgm4883> man find?
[22:18] <bekks> dell: In the current directory, you just need: copy *.jpg /your/target/
[22:18] <iceroot> dell: -maxdepth 0
[22:18] <chrishphp_> yeah there is enough flickering and strange things happening that it's a problem,   and the grub menu no longer loads windows 8, i need to fix that somehow,
[22:18] <datsmoida> how much ram = 5 x256
[22:19] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, rm windows8 ;)
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: So how much is it? :)
[22:19] <away> datsmoida, what does free -m show?
[22:19] <datsmoida> getting same performance as with 3x256
[22:19] <datsmoida> so now adding RAM does nothing
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: You didnt even measured performance, but just the number of instances.
[22:19] <iceroot> datsmoida: why should the performance always increase when you put in more ram?
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: So check the other parameters mentioned.
[22:19] <chrishphp_> I installed ubuntu, there was no grub menu, it booted  windows 8 right away , then i used grub repair, grub came up ubuntu loaded, but not the windows entries,    RM windows 8 ? what? sorry
[22:19] <datsmoida>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:19] <datsmoida> Mem:          1495       1441         54          0          2         18
[22:19] <datsmoida> -/+ buffers/cache:       1420         75
[22:19] <datsmoida> Swap:         1023        679        344
[22:19] <iceroot> datsmoida:  a machine with 8gb ram will be as fast like a machine with 16gb ram if the ram is not the bottleneck
[22:19] <chrishphp_> i mean Boot repair"
[22:20] <away> k, you have 1.5GB RAM... should be enough
[22:20] <iceroot> datsmoida: and you are out of ram
[22:20] <bekks> datsmoida: You have at least 6 "units" of RAM, not 5 :)
[22:20] <away> yep, only 75mb free
[22:20] <tgm4883> and swapping
[22:20] <bekks> Swapping hard. :)
[22:20] <dell> Thanks all
[22:20] <datsmoida> bekks - performance is easy to measure in the sense that the programs die on failure
[22:21] <iceroot> datsmoida: you only have 75mb free ram
[22:21] <tgm4883> perhaps you should figure out why your scripts are using so much ram?
[22:21] <away> datsmoida, you should get more RAM
[22:21] <datsmoida> i can only keep 13 alive at one time, if i add more the first ones start to get killed
[22:21] <bekks> datsmoida: Thats the most pointless definition of measuring something I
[22:21] <bekks> 've ever heard.
[22:21] <tgm4883> away, I'd argue he has -600MB ram
[22:21] <datsmoida> i have no idea why performance should increase with RAM just blindly following advice
[22:21] <chrishphp_> tgm4883  , what do you mean rm 8 ?
[22:21] <away> tgm swap can't be used for everything
[22:22] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, it was a joke? as in rm (remove) windows 8
[22:22] <away> tgm4883 he's jokingly wanting you to remove windows 8
[22:22] <datsmoida> so i am still out of ram ?
[22:22] <bekks> datsmoida: Yes you are.
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: you only have 75mb ram free
[22:22] <tgm4883> away, I'm saying he needs more ram as it's swapping
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: which is not very much
[22:22] <bekks> At least 512M more would be a good deal.
[22:22] <datsmoida> so why is it that my performance does not improve as i have added the last 512K ram ?
[22:22] <tgm4883> away, as in, he is currently 600MB in the hole
[22:22] <tgm4883> lol, 512K
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: because you are still out of ram as we said 5 times now
[22:23] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you need to add another 3 units
[22:23] <iceroot> datsmoida: the system will start to use swap (stored on the hdd and 1000 times slower then ram)
[22:23] <boriseto> one little question. for some reason I lost picture thumbnails and I don't know how to get them back. So they are not switched of, but not showing (the icons is an empty file with a clock on it). Does anybody had the same problem or somebody knows a solution for it?
[22:23] <datsmoida> iceroot - my point is that my performance was the same with 512k than it is now with 1280k
[22:24] <iceroot> datsmoida: and 1000 times slower is just the description for the access-time of the data, not the data-transer
[22:24] <datsmoida> so adding 768K so far of RAM has done nothing to increase performance, why ?
[22:24] <iceroot> datsmoida: again and for the 6. time, you are out of ram
[22:24] <datsmoida> if i am "swapping hard" now, imagine how hard i was swapping at 512K !
[22:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, our point is, you were probably swapping a whole lot more with 512M of ram, than you are with 1280M of ram, but you are still swapping
[22:24] <chrishphp_> cant get wireless working, glitchy, cant boot win8,
[22:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, exactly!
[22:25] <datsmoida> but why did the performance not improve ?
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: reread what we all wrote
[22:25] <|nv|s|b|e> b e c a u s e your swapping
[22:25] <datsmoida> i mean from my perspective the computer is crapping out at exactly the same benchmark it did before, at over twice as much RAM
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: you are STILL!!!!!!!!!! out of ram!!!!!!!!!
[22:25] <tgm4883> datsmoida, why would it, you are still using a hard disk as RAM
[22:25] <datsmoida> isn't that a bit weird ?
[22:25] <|nv|s|b|e> troll time
[22:25] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: you are still using swap
[22:26] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you probably need to understand the difference between RAM and SWAP
[22:26] <ianrossi> join #ubuntu-server
[22:26] <Kuroki> datsmoida, you need even more ram than you have right now
[22:26] <ianrossi> Hi guys, I'm new to IRC, what command do I type to get to the ubuntu-server channel?
[22:26] <|nv|s|b|e> you need no less than 2 gig to even think about running smooth
[22:26] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you needed more ram, and you added some, but not enough
[22:26] <iceroot> ianrossi: /join #ubuntu-server
[22:26] <_DomY-Dom> Hi, anyway of transferring the wireless drivers I need for my Macbook Pro 8,1 (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Quantal#Wireless) without an ethernet connection cause I don't have one at the moment. Anyone ?
[22:26] <bekks> datsmoida: He was told that a zillion times now :)
[22:26] <bekks> Kuroki: ^^
[22:27] <tgm4883> bekks, a billion, zillion times
[22:27] <bekks> tgm4883: yes.
[22:27] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: usb stick
[22:27] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: could you explain the process to me ?
[22:27] <iceroot> !offline | _DomY-Dom
[22:28] <datsmoida> ok so i guess you guys are saying there is a point for this OS where it says i am out of RAM and i need an arbitrarily large amount more to to ANYTHING ELSE, and that amount could be more than double the amount it had in the first place ?
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, close
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that, except not arbitrarily
[22:28] <iceroot> datsmoida: reread everything we told you
[22:28] <datsmoida> i mean literally when i had 512K of RAM i could keep 13 instances of my script going, at 1280 exactly the same
[22:28] <Kuroki> weŕe just stating facts
[22:28] <bekks> datsmoida: Yes.
[22:28] <bekks> datsmoida: You had 512_M_ not 512_k_
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, it could be 100X more than you originally had, depending on the software
[22:29] <bekks> The difference is 1024 times bigger.
[22:29] <_DomY-Dom> ubottu: The link doesn't have Quetzal as an option. Concerning the procedure with Synaptic, this means that I can get the package kind of within a script and transfer via USB ? Could you detail that or give me a link for this procedure ? Thank you very much.
[22:30] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: Any idea concerning my question to ubottu ?
[22:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, lets look at the facts. You had your VPS look at it and they said you needed more RAM. You added RAM, and didn't see an improvement. You showed us how much RAM your computer is using. We told you it's using all of your RAM, plus almost 700 more MB.
[22:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, eg. you need 700MB more ram
[22:31] <datsmoida> so you are literally looking at home much swap is used = i need that much ram +
[22:31] <bekks> tgm4883: 700? Why? :)
[22:31] <tgm4883> datsmoida, now, after you do that, you are probably going to try to run more instances of your script, in which case, you will probably need more ram
[22:31] <tgm4883> bekks, didn't it say it was swapping 680MB?
[22:31] <datsmoida> so presumably when i had less ram but the same apparent performance prolly the OS was using way more swap space from the hard disk ?
[22:32] <tgm4883> Swap:         1023        679        344
[22:32] <bekks> tgm4883: Oh, indeed. I was remembering a wrong number :)
[22:32] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - yeah i am trying to actually formulize how much hardware i need for so many additional instances
[22:32] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yes, that is exactly what we are saying
[22:32] <datsmoida> but as you can see i am still working out the foundations here
[22:32] <bekks> datsmoida: You need about 700M more RAM for running your 13 instances.
[22:32] <datsmoida> 100x lol come on
[22:33] <tgm4883> datsmoida, what you should probably do, is run 1 instance of it, and see how much ram 1 instance uses. Then figure out how many instances you want to run, and then multiply the two
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> Can no one get me this linux-firmware-nonfree as a tar file or someting I can decompress and install with dpkg ?
[22:33] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: packahes.ubuntu.com
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> linux-firmware-nonfree for Quantal Quetzal on a MacBook Pro 8,1
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: thanks wil have a look.
[22:33] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: there you can download the debfiles
[22:34] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: install them with "sudo dpkg -i file.deb"
[22:34] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yea, it could be 100X more, if you wanted to run tons and tons of instances
[22:34] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: cheers but any idea where the one I'm looking for would be ?
[22:35] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: there is a search files
[22:35] <iceroot> field
[22:36] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: great got it gonna try it now.
[22:37] <root_> drogba
[22:38] <root_> root
[22:38] <magn3ts> I have to say, I'm quite jealous of KWin's menu-in-titlebar feature
[22:38] <magn3ts> I'd kill to have that in GNOME
[22:39] <root_> hi
[22:39] <drogba> heeeeeeeello
[22:40] <histo> magn3ts: run kwin then
[22:41] <magn3ts> histo, maybe I should. :)
[22:41] <janisozaur> to those who do: what software do you use to sign/encrypt emails? is it possible to have this in firefox+gmail? have you convinced your friends/family to also use pki?
[22:41] <magn3ts> I know I can mix and match, but I'd like to use a full stack and there's a lot of things in KDE that still just look bad or feel hacky or out of place. Oh the fun dilemma of choices :)
[22:42] <histo> magn3ts: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/KDE/Titlebar-menu-65797.shtml
[22:42] <histo> magn3ts: http://anarchic-order.blogspot.com/2011/02/integrating-menu-into-window-titlebar.html
[22:43] <nova_>  any one know of a api list of Linux in C/C++
[22:43] <magn3ts> interesting, but not quite the same
[22:44] <janisozaur> nova_, api list? each library has its own api. do you mean syscalls?
[22:44] <histo> magn3ts: People are proposing it
[22:45] <ASHER1> Hello i need please help about smoething i cant find i install webmin and i see in Cpanel is have options install wordpress and joomla then i search about this where i can find guide for control panel?
[22:45] <magn3ts> cool
[22:45] <DJones> !webmin | ASHER1
[22:45] <histo> magn3ts: You could vote for the feature request
[22:45] <nova_> janisozaur ,really its just i am new to Linux and i have a knowledge of Win api and would like to learn Linux
[22:46] <ASHER1> i have webmim but is no have install scripts and web
[22:46] <histo> magn3ts: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[22:46] <ASHER1> i explain in Cpanel is have options to people install some web
[22:47] <janisozaur> nova_, there is no 'api list'. if you use ubuntu, most packages come with -dec, -dev flavours (especially libs). you can also 'apt-get source <package_name>'
[22:47] <kostkon> nova_, start from here http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[22:48] <nova_> janisozaur ,ok thank you
[22:48] <cariboulou> Does anyone know how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers for the GTX 660 ti?
[22:48] <GabMus_> helloo
[22:48] <DeadWeasel> how can I verify that a script I set to run every minute is actually runnig?
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> ]howdy!
[22:49] <semarjt> ...have it log something?
[22:49] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: installing the package works but no wireless detected..
[22:49] <nova_> janisozaur ,ubuntu does use c right?   i have seen a lot of Python related .dos
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> it echos a couple messages, but it's runningin the background
[22:49] <histo> cariboulou: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current  or follow the directions from ubottu
[22:49] <histo> !nvidia | cariboulou
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> isn't there a log that tells all things that run?
[22:49] <chrishphp_> i'm going to try to install 12.04, see how that goes then i'll fix the grub menu to boot windows
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: any idea if I have some missing, this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Quantal#Wireless only mentions linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: ah wait never mind, if you install through dpkg -i needed to reboot
[22:50] <histo> DeadWeasel: ad a debugging function temporarily like touch file1  or have it echo some output to a file
[22:50] <GabMus_> how do i integrate ubuntu on my mac? it isnt a dual boot. when i start the computer i have to keep alt pressed and select the hard disk manually, even if it is a single boot, moreover if i reboot it gets stuck and i have to hard shutdown it by holding power button
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> it's working :)
[22:50] <janisozaur> nova_, there is no single language ubuntu was written in. kernel is mostly c+asm, most of libraries use c/c++, but there are also ones that use python or perl or others
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: thanks a lot :D !
[22:50] <bambino> do anyone know why the google chrome in ubuntu is unable to charge complement in flash aplications???
[22:51] <datsmoida> oh so i can tell from top how much ram is being used that is smart
[22:51] <cariboulou> histo: incredible, thanks!
[22:51] <datsmoida> from one instance
[22:51] <datsmoida> my swap says 1048572k
[22:52] <nova_> janisozaur , that's good then i know C and assembly. its i just really dislike Python.
[22:52] <datsmoida> that means 4x256 ?
[22:52] <histo> DeadWeasel: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/08/linux-var-log-files/
[22:52] <janisozaur> nova_, linux distribution is not a single entity, it consists of many smaller parts, that you can replace (sometimes there are multiple projects that supply specific library, like is the case of libc, sometimes you can only switch versions, and so on).
[22:52] <DeadWeasel> thank you histo, Domy-Dom
[22:52] <janisozaur> nova_, would you like to program for linux?
[22:53] <nova_> janisozaur , program on Linux ?
[22:53] <histo> !offline | _DomY-Dom
[22:54] <ASHER1> ?
[22:54] <janisozaur> nova_, as in 'write programs that will run on linux'? why do you have interest in 'linux api'?
[22:54] <histo> datsmoida: Your question makes no sense to me.
[22:55] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you can't tell that from top
[22:55] <datsmoida> oh i c i need to look at free
[22:56] <datsmoida> this is getting expensive
[22:56] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:56] <guinpennep> should I have my /dev/sda2 extended file system, allocated logically with fat32?
[22:56] <datsmoida> free -m is what you guys based on statements on that my swap is big
[22:56] <morph3k> guys i need some help
[22:56] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you can't tell that from top, nor free, as it doesn't break down the RAM usage by process
[22:56] <morph3k> tgm4883: can i pm you
[22:56] <datsmoida> then how did you know how much more RAM i need
[22:56] <tgm4883> morph3k, sure
[22:57] <histo> tgm4883: top shows how much ram processes are using
[22:57] <nova_> janisozaur , OS manipulation to may hardware. To work more efficiently.
[22:57] <guinpennep> Let me know if you can help me please, thank you.
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, ah yea, it does
[22:57] <histo> tgm4883: virt res shared
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, sorry, trying to do too many things at once on things
[22:57] <histo> datsmoida: top shows how much ram is used by a process
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, so he wants res right?
[22:58] <datsmoida> tgm4883 is saying top is no good
[22:58] <datsmoida> oh n/m
[22:58] <tgm4883> datsmoida, i was wrong on that, I forgot it showed you what you need
[22:58] <datsmoida> free -m says my swap used is 629
[22:58] <histo> datsmoida: there is virt res and shared columns in top
[22:59] <datsmoida> but top shows my swap used is like 2GB
[22:59] <datsmoida> no 1GB
[22:59] <janisozaur> nova_, then most likely you are after the kernel.
[22:59] <histo> datsmoida: What is your native language?
[22:59] <datsmoida> lol english
[22:59] <histo> omg
[22:59] <datsmoida> histo - i am simply not that intelligent
[22:59] <nova_> janisozaur , Oh -_-
[22:59] <janisozaur> nova_, try http://kernelnewbies.org/
[22:59] <histo> datsmoida: Well i'm having trouble understanding you at all. I have no idea what you want to do.
[23:00] <datsmoida> histo - i want to see accurately how hard is my RAM being hit and how much RAM i need to add to stop using SWAP
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: You were mentioning swap being to large or something.
[23:00] <bambino> anyone know how to remove fbi moneypak virus from my pc? in windows
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: is your ram completely used up? or is swap being used to just cache stuff?
[23:00] <xangua> datsmoida: why do you want to stop using swap¿
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: You can adjust your swappiness
[23:01] <janisozaur> histo, how can you do that?
[23:01] <datsmoida> well these guys on here told me my swap was too large
[23:01] <datsmoida> histo - b/c my machine is crapping out
[23:01] <histo> datsmoida: How large is your swap partition?
[23:01] <datsmoida> i was told to add ram
[23:01] <datsmoida> i added ram
[23:01] <datsmoida> i got more performance
[23:01] <datsmoida> but not after a certain point of adding ram
[23:01] <histo> datsmoida: How much ram do you have?
[23:02] <datsmoida> then i pasted the output of top and free -m and these people here were saying oh the problem is that you are now hitting ram so hard that even though you more than doubled your ram you will have to do it again
[23:02] <datsmoida> b/c your machine is using so much swap
[23:02] <datsmoida> so i just want to clarify exactly which commands give me this info
[23:03] <histo> datsmoida: please pastebin the output of free
[23:03] <datsmoida> histo - i have 256x5
[23:03] <datsmoida> 1280
[23:03] <datsmoida> when i had 256 ram i could run 5 instances of my script
[23:03] <histo> datsmoida: 256 what? MB ??? so a total of 1.256GB of ram?
[23:03] <datsmoida> when i had 768 ram i could run 13 instances
[23:04] <iceroot> what? still the same?
[23:04] <datsmoida> now i have 1280 but still after 13 instances programs start to die and then if i continue trying to add instances the machine freezes
[23:04] <iceroot> i was looking a complete stromberg episode and we are still talking about the ram-issue?
[23:04] <guinpennep> Just gave up 18 years of windows experience for good
[23:04] <histo> datsmoida: Do you have swap configured then?
[23:05] <datsmoida> i don't mean they said my swap partition is too large, i mean they said my machine was using a huge amount of swap space b/c it is out of RAM
[23:05] <datsmoida> it was unrelated to the size of my swap partition
[23:05] <histo> datsmoida: Right once ram is full swap should be used so the system doesn't crash.
[23:05] <histo> datsmoida: What is this script?
[23:05] <guinpennep> swap is double of ram, linux.org says, right?
[23:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: when something is stored in swap it does not mean you have not enough ram, but when free is saying you only have 75MB ram left, then you are out of ram
[23:06] <histo> guinpennep: no
[23:06] <guinpennep> Oh, boot is double ram, then double swap?
[23:06] <tgm4883> guinpennep, that is an old rule of thumb
[23:06] <guinpennep> let me check, sorry.
[23:06] <datsmoida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1627028/
[23:06] <histo> guinpennep: You can make it any size you want
[23:07] <guinpennep> Ok, see. I just gave up 18 years of windows experience.
[23:07] <janisozaur> guinpennep, if you've got plenty of ram, then there's no need for that much of swap. depends on how much ram do you usually need
[23:07] <datsmoida> histo - this script sends queries through TOR
[23:07] <guinpennep> Ok, makes sense.
[23:07] <guinpennep> Been using ubuntu 12.10 for 2 days. I love it.
[23:07] <histo> datsmoida: And you need to run more of these scripts?
[23:07] <janisozaur> guinpennep, when you had little ram, you had to have plenty of swap
[23:07] <datsmoida> i am able to start many tor processes but my scripts to access TOR crap out unable to connect to socket after 13
[23:08] <guinpennep> right now I am having a problem. Are there any win 7-8/ubuntu 12.10 experienced users availible?
[23:08] <histo> guinpennep: if you want to hibernate swap needs to be bigger than ram.  The old rule of thumb was swap is 2x ram.  But you can make a swap partition any size depending on you rneeds or not even use one.
[23:08] <janisozaur> !ask | guinpennep
[23:09] <guinpennep> !ask
[23:09] <datsmoida> histo - yeah i do
[23:09] <janisozaur> !ubottu | guinpennep
[23:09] <nova_> janisozaur , The kernel is constructed nice.
[23:09] <histo> datsmoida: Then you need to increase swap or physical ram or make your script more efficient
[23:10] <datsmoida> yeah i bet my perl script is not very efficient
[23:10] <guinpennep> Can I chat with someone for help please?
[23:10] <datsmoida> that is a great observation
[23:10] <melty> lol
[23:10] <histo> guinpennep: ask your question
[23:10] <guinpennep> in the channel?
[23:10]  * histo slaps forehead
[23:10] <datsmoida> because it seems like i am going to have to add a lot of ram at this rate
[23:10] <gilb> if I run Windows in a virtual machine on Ubuntu, is the performance significantly decreased? or would I be able to play COD4 on a decent low end machine?
[23:10] <histo> guinpennep: that's what the channel is for.
[23:10] <BillyZane> histo: hey buddy, hows it going?
[23:11] <janisozaur> guinpennep, yes. all in one line
[23:11] <flintser> glib yes and no
[23:11] <gilb> is dual booting the better option in this case?
[23:11] <BillyZane> oh right, #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:11] <flintser> glib yes
[23:11] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin 'ps -eo rss,cmd | grep <SCRIPTNAME>'
[23:11] <histo> datsmoida: Then figure out a better way to accomplish what you are trying to do. If you can epxlain your ultimate goal perhaps someone here can think of a better way.
[23:11] <datsmoida> maybe i need to really audit my perl
[23:12] <gilb> flinster, thanks for answers
[23:12] <datsmoida> or rethink the logic
[23:12] <datsmoida> i do need to rethink the whole logic
[23:12] <flintser> glib, you cannot play anything more than solitaire on vm unless you have a super computer
[23:12] <datsmoida> do you guys have any idea if fork and system calls from perl are inherently resource intensive ?
[23:12] <histo> datsmoida: What is the goal of the script?
[23:13] <datsmoida> data scraping
[23:13] <histo> BillyZane: okay?
[23:13] <guinpennep> Using 12.10 ubuntu. Think I screwed up the unallocated parition.  Bad scripts running.  Can I use another computer to take yumi, make a flash drive bootable and curcumvent this whole issue I am having?
[23:13] <histo> BillyZane: Were you the data recovery guy?
[23:14] <BillyZane> histo: can I pick your brain? I installed ubuntu with two partitions, / and /home. It has come to my attention that someday, I might reach a size limit. I figure that applications are primarily stored in /, I was wondering, Is it easy to expand my / and /home partitions? Do these partitions have to be physically continuous on the drive? I have placed them on the end of my drive, with unpartitioned space buffering the linux and windows parti
[23:14] <BillyZane> tions
[23:14] <histo> guinpennep: What unallocated partition?
[23:14] <janisozaur> guinpennep, unallocated partition? bad scripts running? can you elaborate?
[23:14] <BillyZane> histo: no, lol, but i think i was there for that conversation. he had an external hard drive or something, 120gb
[23:14] <iceroot> gilb: virtualbox and vmware are able to use the real GPU of the host but imo only on opengl, there are a lot applications which are running like native but not all
[23:15] <iceroot> gilb: so they are not emulating the gpu, they are using passthrough
[23:15] <BillyZane> histo: No, i'm the n00b to ubuntu that you so generously helped so many times now. My latest problem was with thunar, the network wasn't showing up :)
[23:15] <janisozaur> !lvm | BillyZane
[23:15] <histo> BillyZane: You can resize them with gparted. However keep in mind it's not bulletproof. I would back up mition critical data just incase but it will mostlikely work fine.
[23:15] <iceroot> gilb: but i would recommend dualboot
[23:15] <BillyZane> janisozaur: thanks, i'll give it a look
[23:15] <histo> BillyZane: and LVM would be the way to go. You could add other disks to the space etc...
[23:15] <flintser> iceroot: you can use guest additions for directx on virtualbox but it is still very slow
[23:15] <BillyZane> can I install LVM now?
[23:16] <BillyZane> is it too late to have an LVM?
[23:16] <janisozaur> BillyZane, you can only have 4 primary partitions with MBR
[23:16] <histo> BillyZane: That is if you can't just expand the partition to the free space. YOu can resize and move etc.. using gparted though relatively easy.
[23:16] <iceroot> flintser: i thought it was just opengl
[23:16] <histo> janisozaur: on msdos paritioning.
[23:16] <cariboulou> So, I followed the instructions on the ubuntu help site, and I got the nvidia-current drivers installed, all seemed well, but now the ubuntu desktop isn't starting up properly.  the dock and top bar aren't showing up after you log in.  is there any way to fix this?
[23:16] <histo> GPT I think is limited to 128 partitions
[23:17] <janisozaur> BillyZane, you might want to use gparted-live to resize, they tend to do lots of stuff and release it more often than ubuntu keeps up
[23:17] <guinpennep> my comp is getting very buggy.
[23:17] <janisozaur> histo, what do you mean?
[23:17] <histo> cariboulou: Does it appear that the GUI is still running just off the screen? Can you press the super key and see part of the dash?
[23:17] <guinpennep> Is it possible I can screw up the partitions so I cannot reinstall ubuntu 12.10?
[23:17] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - i did that, it just shows all the instances of my script
[23:18] <flintser> iceroot: yep it normally is but if you install guest additions in safe mode you get to choose directx
[23:18] <BillyZane> janisozaur: Ok, I'll look in to that application. Would it allow me to shift and move around partitioned data without deleting the information?
[23:18] <histo> janisozaur: a GUID partition table. vs. msdos partition table.
[23:18] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin the output?
[23:18] <datsmoida> there's 13 instances running
[23:18] <histo> BillyZane: Yeah it will
[23:18] <BillyZane> wow, epic
[23:18] <flintser> but nevertheless no vm is really for gaming, ive done enough testing to say that
[23:18] <cariboulou> histo: I was able to crtl+alt+t into terminal, then start xchat from there.  (that's how I am talking now) No, the super key does nothing at the moment.
[23:18] <histo> BillyZane: but it's not full proof. For instance if you had a power failure while it was moving data obviously you run the risk of losing some. Or if the program goes nutz.
[23:19] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - it just shows the command that was called and the pid, nothing else, 13 lines
[23:19] <janisozaur> histo, hmm, ok. i've always called it 'mbr'
[23:19] <iceroot> flintser: ah ok, thank you for the info
[23:19] <BillyZane> histo: that's always a possibility. I feel I'm going to end up using linux now permanently. So, I'm going to end up running in to a space limit
[23:19] <tgm4883> datsmoida, it doesn't list a number?
[23:19] <datsmoida> perl <scriptname>
[23:19] <janisozaur> BillyZane, what filesystem do you have on / and /home?
[23:19] <melty> lol
[23:19] <datsmoida> yeah the process id
[23:19] <BillyZane> janisozaur, ext4
[23:20] <d0wan> Hi all, I got a quick question if anyone has time.  I just installed Ubuntu 12.10 alongside Windows 8.  The installation went smooth, but after rebooting, only shows a black screen.  Doesn't show the BIOS bootscreen or anything like it did before I installed Ubuntu.  I don't know how to fix this because I can't even get to BIOS.  My laptop is http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP300E5C-A09US?
[23:20] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin it
[23:20] <gustav_> Hello. I've been seeing 'migration' (process name) in 'top' using a lot of CPU at times. (600%) What is it and why is it using that much?
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: your laptop is broken
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: let me search for the linl
[23:20] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - i think u meant some other flags than ps -eo rss,cmd | grep <SCRIPTNAME>
[23:20] <BillyZane> I can't go back to windows now. Windows feels so incredibly empty, like an empty cup
[23:20] <iceroot> link
[23:20] <datsmoida> there is no info here
[23:20] <guinpennep> dang
[23:20] <d0wan> iceroot, how so?  as in, it's fried?
[23:20] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that first number shouldn't be the process ID
[23:20] <datsmoida> oh wait a minute
[23:20] <d0wan> it was working perfectly before ubuntu was on it.  that's a big disappointment.
[23:20] <datsmoida> right
[23:20] <datsmoida> 1 sec
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Booting-Linux-using-UEFI-can-brick-Samsung-laptops-1793958.html
[23:21] <guinpennep> I am going to break this laptop.
[23:21] <d0wan> iceroot, thanks a ton.
[23:21] <flintser> d0wan: i think you "bricked" your device
[23:21] <guinpennep> Over my tv.
[23:21] <tgm4883> :)
[23:21] <d0wan> Wonderful.  Sigh.  Thanks for the link iceroot, I appreciate it
[23:21] <flintser> i hate uefi
[23:21] <iceroot> d0wan: its a fault of samsung and there uefi implementation, they will give you a new notebook (read the link)
[23:21] <flintser> no need for that
[23:22] <guinpennep> I managed to get a lot of help in removing my uefi and installing ubuntu..
[23:22] <al__> Tough question: running 12.10 w/ Broadcom 4312 wireless card w/ proprietary (default on install) drivers, when using auto-update, it breaks wireless after reboot.  I've found a couple fixes that include 'apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source' 'apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter'.  The problem is that I have no wired internet or different pc to download with.  Is there a way to pre-download packages AND all dependencies to install after for fix, or a
[23:22] <al__>  way to prevent the issue from happening in the first place?
[23:22] <guinpennep> Now that I lost my win 8 fine, I am wishing I had it back right now.
[23:22] <wiz> real quick queston on virtualbox: does anyone know how to increase the size of a dynamically allocated VDI?
[23:22] <guinpennep> going to go try windows again/
[23:23] <iceroot> wiz: #vbox
[23:23] <wiz> thank you iceroot
[23:23] <d0wan> again, iceroot, much appreciated. Thanks!
[23:23] <brightknight> Ubuntu: Am I correct in saying that by default there is no SIP support in ver. 12, such as could be in empathy?
[23:23] <datsmoida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1627069/
[23:23] <iceroot> d0wan: you are welcome
[23:23] <janisozaur> al__, 'apt-get install -d'
[23:23] <histo> brb
[23:23] <iceroot> brightknight: there are sip clients
[23:23] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - is this showing me that each proc is using some magnitudinally larger amount of memory ?
[23:23] <iceroot> brightknight: justr search for sip in the software center
[23:23] <iceroot> !sip | brightknight
[23:24] <brightknight> iceroot: will do, so the answer is no then correct?
[23:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yea
[23:24] <janisozaur> al__, you can also google for 'apt hold selections'
[23:24] <flintser> al__: you can use usb stick to transfer packages, just use apt-get install -d on another machine and put them on usb stick
[23:24] <datsmoida> wow thanks
[23:24] <datsmoida> wtf
[23:24] <janisozaur> !enter | datsmoida
[23:24] <al__> flintser: there is no other machine
[23:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: there are 2 values for ram, the real used ram and the virtual ram which is holding buffers and caches too  for each process, you can see it in top
[23:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: and when you write a script which needs 100mb ram, normally your script is very bad
[23:25] <flintser> well i dont know the de
[23:26] <DeadWeasel> is possible to route a single program's traffic through the VPN in ubuntu 12.04?
[23:26] <al__> janisozaur: apt-get install -d will include all dependencies?
[23:26] <janisozaur> al__, consult 'man apt-get', it will run in download-only mode, but with all depenendecies resolved
[23:27] <onekt> upgraded 12.04->12.10,  can't find any way into a tty console (no key combo works)
[23:27] <flintser> al__: well i dont know the dependencies, but if you do you can use any machine with internet to download them from repositories straight
[23:27] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that is in kilobytes
[23:27] <brightknight> Anyperson: Hmm, what happened to twinkle???
[23:27] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so the bottom one is using 150MB
[23:27] <WHAT_UP> is it possible that wine is caching the windows/system32 folder? it's telling me that some file can't be found there, even though it is there (and when i replace the name of the file with something else in the folder, it runs perfectly)
[23:28] <al__> janisozaur: was looking just looking through man apt-get :) -d, Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or installed.  Didn't see anything about resolving dependencies.  Thanks though.
[23:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, my best guess, is that you are doing something in your script that is causing it to grow in RAM size based on waiting on some resource. but that is just a guess. Notice it doesn't grow a lot between processes, then jumps quite a bit between two
[23:29] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so the computer can keep up reasonably well with processes 1-4, then 5 starts and it's waiting on some resource causing it to grow in size
[23:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so you either A) need more ram, or B) need to figure out what is happening in that script
[23:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, for reference   "RSS     resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes)."
[23:30] <datsmoida> this is a very productive chat session !
[23:30] <flintser> al__: and like janisozaur said you can prevent updates with hold
[23:30] <datsmoida> my sucky scripting didn't matter so much when i wasn't scaling up like this
[23:30] <flintser> al__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-packagehttp://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[23:31] <flintser> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[23:31] <datsmoida> however i'm thinking this gargantuan rise in processing has something to do specifically with forking processes in perl
[23:31] <tgm4883> datsmoida, exactly
[23:31] <al__> flintser: I don't know which package is causing it to break wireless... i think it's any time the kernel is recompiled
[23:31] <datsmoida> you are right it doesn't grow at first
[23:31] <datsmoida> but if the script is ineffecient why does it not blow up before #5 ?
[23:32] <tgm4883> al__, best guess, you need to recompile the kernel modules when a kernel update comes down
[23:32] <datsmoida> it is also interesting that 5 was the limit on a minimal RAM (256)
[23:32] <tgm4883> datsmoida, IDK. like I said, it's probably waiting on some other resource
[23:32]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[23:32] <al__> tgm4883: I'm novice enough I only barely know what that means.
[23:33] <nomodeset> >nomodeset
[23:33] <nomodeset> !google>nomoeset
[23:33] <tgm4883> al__, did you follow some guide to get wireless working?
[23:33] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - can you say anything else about what waiting on another resource means
[23:33] <nomodeset> !google>nomodeset
[23:34] <datsmoida> just waiting on a friend
[23:34] <al__> tgm4883: it worked on stock 12.10 install (checking the box for proprietary drivers).  On auto-update though, it dies.  I've found a lot of posts relating to the problem, with a lot of different ... varied solutions.
[23:34] <datsmoida> this makes no sense actually
[23:34] <datsmoida> it is not a progression whatsoever
[23:35] <datsmoida> the first 5 processes each use about 1/5 of what each of the last 7 processes use
[23:35] <datsmoida> lol
[23:35] <tgm4883> al__, IDK what it's installing during that time, but I bet a reinstall of it would fix it
[23:36] <tgm4883> al__, the package that is, not the OS :)
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883: I bet you're right, but I have NO internet when wireless dies and no other available pcs, so I had to re-install OS out of desperation.
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883: and now I'm afraid to update :)
[23:36] <flintser> al__: youre running non updatet 12.10 now?
[23:37] <RabblerouserGT> It seems my screenshot utility doesn't work.. again. Neither does ffmpeg when using x11grab
[23:37] <al__> flintser: if I update, internet permanently dies ...
[23:37] <tgm4883> al__, what wireless card?
[23:38] <flintser> al__: no its good, maybe you can check the list of what packages it tries to install and solve the problem that way? then you can hold the right one
[23:38] <al__> tgm4883: Broadcom 4312 (Dell Inspiron stock card).
[23:39] <brightknight> Anyperson: Hmm, what happened to twinkle?
[23:39] <tgm4883> al__, looks like b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-lpphy-installer bcmwl*
[23:39] <tgm4883> one of those likely does the building
[23:40] <tgm4883> al__, I'm guessing it's b43-fwcutter
[23:41] <al__> tgm4883: yeah a lot of the fixes I find use 'apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter'.  If I apt-get install -d on those packages, it'll download dependencies so I can re-install offline after the update breaks it?
[23:41] <melanchthon> al__: I have the same card on my ideapad12 - although I'm running on debian wheezy atm I did have same kind of problems, which were solved by installing broadcom-sta-dkms package; after that I had a working wl-module
[23:41] <tgm4883> al__, maybe you could just do a 'dpkg-reconfigure b43-fwcutter'
[23:41] <morph3k> does anyone know what could be blocking port 22 on ubuntu?
[23:41] <morph3k> i cant ssh into it
[23:41] <tgm4883> al__, you couldn't do the apt-get install -d on it, as it would say they are already installed
[23:42] <jrib> morph3k: did you install openssh-server?
[23:42] <morph3k> yea
[23:42] <morph3k> and client
[23:42] <flintser> al__: tgm4883: after some googling i'd hold anything b43, or bcmwl packages and try úpdating then
[23:42] <jrib> morph3k: what happens when you do "ssh localhost" on the server?
[23:42] <morph3k> cant right now im updating
[23:42] <tgm4883> flintser, you would need to hold the kernel, not those packages
[23:43] <jrib> morph3k: open a new terminal?
[23:43] <RabblerouserGT> Any reason why the screenshot tool would give me the same image across several screenshots?
[23:43] <datsmoida> actually it seems the scripts all take about 150MB of RAM each
[23:43] <flintser> bcmwl-kernel-source? tgm4883
[23:43] <Dutchguy> hi hi
[23:43] <datsmoida> unless they are disconnected
[23:43] <tgm4883> flintser, no, linux-image-generic
[23:43] <datsmoida> actually no
[23:45] <flintser> tgm4883: sorry to ask but why would the linux kernel affect wifi :s
[23:46] <tgm4883> flintser, because the wifi modules are built against the kernel headers
[23:46] <glenfe> Anyone here familiar with CentrifyDC express?
[23:46] <tgm4883> so when you change the kernel, the modules don't load
[23:47] <tgm4883> flintser, and don't be sorry to ask. People sorry to ask something will always wonder why something is. People that do ask will find out why :)
[23:47] <flintser> tgm4883: aaa ok :) that clarified it for me, thanks. cant it be solved with some reconfiguring then?
[23:48] <tgm4883> flintser, yes, I think it will be, but you have to reconfigure the right package
[23:48] <tgm4883> flintser, I'm guessing the fw cutter package
[23:51] <flintser> tgm4883: okay. i'm so lazy i just wouldnt bother updating anything if i knew that itd cause problems ^^
[23:51] <tallbread> hi all - can anyone tell me whether its possible to get a percentage estimate using disk utility for how far through a format is? or, better yet, cancel the format?
[23:52] <tgm4883> flintser, well it shouldn't cause problems. it should fix that for you on upgrade. I'm not sure why it isn't
[23:53] <BillyZane> how do i uninstall unity?
[23:53] <morph3k> tgm4883
[23:53] <morph3k> i wish ud download this shit
[23:53] <morph3k> openssh
[23:53] <melty> lol
[23:53] <tgm4883> morph3k, what?
[23:53] <morph3k> and just look at the hep files
[23:53] <morph3k> help me figure it out :(
[23:54] <flintser> actually while im here... what should i do after i messed up my networking on 12.04? i used pppoeconf for a connection and after i didn't need it anymore no networking applet so i cant use wifi networks and i have to manually conf my wired connection
[23:54] <flintser> i mean after pppoeconf my networking got messed up
[23:56] <xangua> !nounity | BillyZane
[23:56] <xangua> or install any other desktop you want
[23:58] <jasunto> i summon the powers of the fstab master
[23:59] <jasunto> i need an external USB drive to mount at boot just like an internal disk would with all users having access so i can samba share it.
[23:59] <jrib> !fstab | jasunto