| bigfat | anyone here? | 00:33 |
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| holstein | lol | 00:34 |
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| preppert | Hello. | 17:31 |
| holstein | o/ | 17:31 |
| preppert | May I ask an upgrade question? | 17:32 |
| holstein | preppert: sure | 17:33 |
| holstein | i dont upgrade | 17:33 |
| holstein | i run the LTS's on my production machines | 17:33 |
| preppert | I am going from Ubuntu Studio 12.04 to 12.10 and upgrade-manager will not launch. | 17:33 |
| holstein | i test the "in between ones" and i usually run an upgrade test somewhere | 17:33 |
| holstein | so, there is nothing wrong with upgrading.. but, do you need to? | 17:33 |
| holstein | is there anything in 12.10 that you need? | 17:33 |
| preppert | Ubuntu Studio was working like Crackerjack on version 11, Feisty. Upgrade no longer plays nicely with my M-Audio outboard soundcard. | 17:34 |
| holstein | http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-1004-1010-1104-to-ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-a-server/ | 17:34 |
| holstein | preppert: 11.04? 11.10? | 17:34 |
| preppert | I am desperately trying to get everything working again, that is all. Tried many settings. | 17:35 |
| holstein | if you want to upgrade to 12.10, you'll need to be on 12.04 | 17:35 |
| holstein | you can try 12.10 live, but support usually wont be "automatically" added back in for older devices | 17:35 |
| preppert | I am already on 12.04. | 17:35 |
| preppert | It's an old Dell Inspiron 1420. | 17:35 |
| holstein | i would expect, when you have hardware that is dropping out of support, upgrading will actually get you futher away from support "out of the box" | 17:35 |
| holstein | i would try 12.10 live before you bother upgrading.. unless you just want to | 17:36 |
| preppert | Does 'live' mean run from DVD? | 17:36 |
| holstein | preppert: dvd or usb.. run it however you want live before you install | 17:37 |
| holstein | you waste 4 or 5 hours upgrading for hardware support, and its not there either | 17:37 |
| preppert | I was thinking to try it live first, yes. | 17:37 |
| holstein | plus, commenting on your above statement... ubuntustduio *still* runs like a "firecracker".. its the hardware support that is lacking | 17:38 |
| holstein | you can look for what alsa/jack/kernel version best supports your device, and run them in the distro or ubuntu version of your choice | 17:38 |
| preppert | It's not an ancient laptop. | 17:38 |
| holstein | preppert: in not talking about the laptop | 17:39 |
| preppert | Oh. | 17:39 |
| holstein | preppert: you mention the maudio device as if it is a deal breaker | 17:39 |
| holstein | preppert: if you *need* it to be supported, then choose the software that best supports it | 17:39 |
| preppert | Yes. I have a desktop computer. I use this for recording music. It was great! | 17:39 |
| holstein | was? | 17:39 |
| holstein | im not following | 17:39 |
| preppert | Under previous version of Ubuntu Studio. | 17:40 |
| holstein | you mean, the support for your device | 17:40 |
| holstein | correct | 17:40 |
| preppert | Ubuntu is all that's ever been installed on this laptop. | 17:40 |
| holstein | ? | 17:40 |
| holstein | that doesnt affect the "greatness" of ubuntustduio | 17:40 |
| holstein | it is what it is, and we support what we can | 17:40 |
| holstein | if you want to support that maudio device, i will give you some suggestions | 17:40 |
| preppert | Yes, I guess you could put it that way. I have no complaints about UbuntuStudio. | 17:41 |
| preppert | Where can I look to see which kernel is best? | 17:41 |
| holstein | i would load up live CD's til something "just works".. even if that is 11.04 or 11.10 ... load it up live, make a note of the kernel version, alsa version and jack version | 17:41 |
| holstein | preppert: ? | 17:41 |
| holstein | preppert: "best" is a matter of opinion | 17:41 |
| holstein | preppert: the kernel we ship with is what we have decided is the "best" all around | 17:41 |
| preppert | "just works" is how I meant that... | 17:42 |
| holstein | preppert: there is the generic one.. and the pae ones | 17:42 |
| holstein | preppert: you should have no issues with the lowlatency kernel we provide, other than maybe support has been dropped for your device | 17:42 |
| holstein | preppert: you can always add that support back, though i bet it is alsa that is the issue | 17:42 |
| holstein | preppert: what would i do? more research | 17:42 |
| holstein | and search "linux maudio device".. not ubuntu, or ubuntustudio | 17:42 |
| preppert | Do you do any music production in UbuntuStudio? | 17:42 |
| holstein | preppert: yes | 17:43 |
| holstein | preppert: what maudio device? | 17:43 |
| preppert | FastTrack PRO | 17:43 |
| preppert | It's pretty common, I surmise. | 17:43 |
| preppert | Also - it partially works! | 17:44 |
| holstein | preppert: and you used it with JACK? | 17:44 |
| preppert | Yep. | 17:44 |
| holstein | i hear it works fine with jack.. out of the box | 17:44 |
| zequence | fasttrack pro requires a special driver from alsa, so it's not your average device | 17:44 |
| holstein | the uses who have it in #opensourcemusicians say it just works | 17:44 |
| zequence | What's the guys name who wrote it? | 17:45 |
| preppert | But now Jack Settings area not showing it. Output plays locally on the soundcard. Latency problems with MIDI. | 17:45 |
| holstein | maybe after installing that driver ^^ | 17:45 |
| zequence | He usually hangs out at #opensourcemusicians | 17:45 |
| holstein | zequence: and forcing 16bit? | 17:45 |
| zequence | The driver should be included with alsa | 17:45 |
| holstein | preppert: upgrading to 12.10 wont fix that support | 17:45 |
| holstein | preppert: i would hang where you are, and get the driver package that zequence is talking about | 17:45 |
| preppert | Aha! If the driver is missing - and I did a clean install, that could be it! | 17:46 |
| preppert | Cool | 17:46 |
| zequence | preppert: It's fast track pro ultra, right? | 17:47 |
| holstein | http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.mx/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html is relevant, though i wouldnt bother with the kerne yet | 17:47 |
| holstein | kernel* | 17:47 |
| zequence | I think the guy who wrote the driver is nevyn, but not sure | 17:47 |
| holstein | zequence: i think you are right | 17:47 |
| holstein | now that you mention it.. that sounds correct | 17:48 |
| preppert | OK - I didn't see mention of this on the forums. I must try the driver. | 17:48 |
| holstein | preppert: there are no forums for your particular hardware case | 17:49 |
| holstein | preppert: that is what makes support so challenging | 17:49 |
| holstein | you really have to test and work it out on your own | 17:49 |
| preppert | BTW - that page looks familiar, I may well have had to do that before, and forgot. It would have been erased during clean install. | 17:49 |
| holstein | i dont have that hardware.. maudio wont help you.. we cant help you | 17:49 |
| holstein | preppert: i would just read that, and wait til you see nevvyn in #opensourcemusicians | 17:49 |
| holstein | in the mean time, try live CD's.. try the 12.10 live.. try AVlinux... try 12.04 live | 17:50 |
| preppert | Is OK. I am fine with dinking around with it on my own. It did take a ton of wrangling with the earlier release. | 17:50 |
| holstein | sure, but you'll "dink" around, and break something permanently | 17:50 |
| holstein | you'll get to nevyyn and he'll say "do this one easy step" and you'll have it all dinked up | 17:50 |
| holstein | but, its your box.. | 17:51 |
| preppert | Well, that's sort of what happened with the clean install. I knew it was a bit of a risk. | 17:51 |
| holstein | i just pinged him in that channel anyways | 17:51 |
| preppert | Thanks. I guess I'll see if he is available. | 17:52 |
| preppert | Or ... did he reply? | 17:52 |
| holstein | there is no risk.. back up your data, and plan for the hard drive to fail (because is will).. then you risk nothing | 17:52 |
| preppert | Right - especially with running it live. Might be worth just getting 12.04 to work though. I don't think there was anything particular in 12.10 that I need. | 17:53 |
| preppert | Thank you for the suggestions. | 17:54 |
| holstein | sure.. enjoy! | 17:54 |
| preppert | Oh, wait...what kind of music do you do, anyway? Link? | 17:55 |
| holstein | http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ | 17:57 |
| holstein | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FZ1lXyM-k | 17:57 |
| holstein | http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork1 | 17:58 |
| holstein | http://www.artofliferecords.com/triomusic.html | 17:58 |
| preppert | Thanks for the links. | 18:03 |
| preppert | Playing first track, holstein. This is right down my alley. Love it. | 18:04 |
| holstein | preppert: enjoy! | 18:05 |
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