[00:33] <bigfat> anyone here?
[00:34] <holstein> lol
[17:31] <preppert> Hello.
[17:31] <holstein> o/
[17:32] <preppert> May I ask an upgrade question?
[17:33] <holstein> preppert: sure
[17:33] <holstein> i dont upgrade
[17:33] <holstein> i run the LTS's on my production machines
[17:33] <preppert> I am going from Ubuntu Studio 12.04 to 12.10 and upgrade-manager will not launch.
[17:33] <holstein> i test the "in between ones" and i usually run an upgrade test somewhere
[17:33] <holstein> so, there is nothing wrong with upgrading.. but, do you need to?
[17:33] <holstein> is there anything in 12.10 that you need?
[17:34] <preppert> Ubuntu Studio was working like Crackerjack on version 11, Feisty. Upgrade no longer plays nicely with my M-Audio outboard soundcard.
[17:34] <holstein> http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-1004-1010-1104-to-ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-a-server/
[17:34] <holstein> preppert: 11.04? 11.10?
[17:35] <preppert> I am desperately trying to get everything working again, that is all. Tried many settings.
[17:35] <holstein> if you want to upgrade to 12.10, you'll need to be on 12.04
[17:35] <holstein> you can try 12.10 live, but support usually wont be "automatically" added back in for older devices
[17:35] <preppert> I am already on 12.04.
[17:35] <preppert> It's an old Dell Inspiron 1420.
[17:35] <holstein> i would expect, when you have hardware that is dropping out of support, upgrading will actually get you futher away from support "out of the box"
[17:36] <holstein> i would try 12.10 live before you bother upgrading.. unless you just want to
[17:36] <preppert> Does 'live' mean run from DVD?
[17:37] <holstein> preppert: dvd or usb.. run it however you want live before you install
[17:37] <holstein> you waste 4 or 5 hours upgrading for hardware support, and its not there either
[17:37] <preppert> I was thinking to try it live first, yes.
[17:38] <holstein> plus, commenting on your above statement... ubuntustduio *still* runs like a "firecracker".. its the hardware support that is lacking
[17:38] <holstein> you can look for what alsa/jack/kernel version best supports your device, and run them in the distro or ubuntu version of your choice
[17:38] <preppert> It's not an ancient laptop.
[17:39] <holstein> preppert: in not talking about the laptop
[17:39] <preppert> Oh.
[17:39] <holstein> preppert: you mention the maudio device as if it is a deal breaker
[17:39] <holstein> preppert: if you *need* it to be supported, then choose the software that best supports it
[17:39] <preppert> Yes. I have a desktop computer. I use this for recording music. It was great!
[17:39] <holstein> was?
[17:39] <holstein> im not following
[17:40] <preppert> Under previous version of Ubuntu Studio.
[17:40] <holstein> you mean, the support for your device
[17:40] <holstein> correct
[17:40] <preppert> Ubuntu is all that's ever been installed on this laptop.
[17:40] <holstein> ?
[17:40] <holstein> that doesnt affect the "greatness" of ubuntustduio
[17:40] <holstein> it is what it is, and we support what we can
[17:40] <holstein> if you want to support that maudio device, i will give you some suggestions
[17:41] <preppert> Yes, I guess you could put it that way. I have no complaints about UbuntuStudio.
[17:41] <preppert> Where can I look to see which kernel is best?
[17:41] <holstein> i would load up live CD's til something "just works".. even if that is 11.04 or 11.10 ... load it up live, make a note of the kernel version, alsa version and jack version
[17:41] <holstein> preppert: ?
[17:41] <holstein> preppert: "best" is a matter of opinion
[17:41] <holstein> preppert: the kernel we ship with is what we have decided is the "best" all around
[17:42] <preppert> "just works" is how I meant that...
[17:42] <holstein> preppert: there is the generic one.. and the pae ones
[17:42] <holstein> preppert: you should have no issues with the lowlatency kernel we provide, other than maybe support has been dropped for your device
[17:42] <holstein> preppert: you can always add that support back, though i bet it is alsa that is the issue
[17:42] <holstein> preppert: what would i do? more research
[17:42] <holstein> and search "linux maudio device".. not ubuntu, or ubuntustudio
[17:42] <preppert> Do you do any music production in UbuntuStudio?
[17:43] <holstein> preppert: yes
[17:43] <holstein> preppert: what maudio device?
[17:43] <preppert> FastTrack PRO
[17:43] <preppert> It's pretty common, I surmise.
[17:44] <preppert> Also - it partially works!
[17:44] <holstein> preppert: and you used it with JACK?
[17:44] <preppert> Yep.
[17:44] <holstein> i hear it works fine with jack.. out of the box
[17:44] <zequence> fasttrack pro requires a special driver from alsa, so it's not your average device
[17:44] <holstein> the uses who have it in #opensourcemusicians say it just works
[17:45] <zequence> What's the guys name who wrote it?
[17:45] <preppert> But now Jack Settings area not showing it. Output plays locally on the soundcard. Latency problems with MIDI.
[17:45] <holstein> maybe after installing that driver ^^
[17:45] <zequence> He usually hangs out at #opensourcemusicians
[17:45] <holstein> zequence: and forcing 16bit?
[17:45] <zequence> The driver should be included with alsa
[17:45] <holstein> preppert: upgrading to 12.10 wont fix that support
[17:45] <holstein> preppert: i would hang where you are, and get the driver package that zequence is talking about
[17:46] <preppert> Aha! If the driver is missing - and I did a clean install, that could be it!
[17:46] <preppert> Cool
[17:47] <zequence> preppert: It's fast track pro ultra, right?
[17:47] <holstein> http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.mx/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html is relevant, though i wouldnt bother with the kerne yet
[17:47] <holstein> kernel*
[17:47] <zequence> I think the guy who wrote the driver is nevyn, but not sure
[17:47] <holstein> zequence: i think you are right
[17:48] <holstein> now that you mention it.. that sounds correct
[17:48] <preppert> OK - I didn't see mention of this on the forums. I must try the driver.
[17:49] <holstein> preppert: there are no forums for your particular hardware case
[17:49] <holstein> preppert: that is what makes support so challenging
[17:49] <holstein> you really have to test and work it out on your own
[17:49] <preppert> BTW - that page looks familiar, I may well have had to do that before, and forgot. It would have been erased during clean install.
[17:49] <holstein> i dont have that hardware.. maudio wont help you.. we cant help you
[17:49] <holstein> preppert: i would just read that, and wait til you see nevvyn in #opensourcemusicians
[17:50] <holstein> in the mean time, try live CD's.. try the 12.10 live.. try AVlinux... try 12.04 live
[17:50] <preppert> Is OK.  I am fine with dinking around with it on my own. It did take a ton of wrangling with the earlier release.
[17:50] <holstein> sure, but you'll "dink" around, and break something permanently
[17:50] <holstein> you'll get to nevyyn and he'll say "do this one easy step" and you'll have it all dinked up
[17:51] <holstein> but, its your box..
[17:51] <preppert> Well, that's sort of what happened with the clean install. I knew it was a bit of a risk.
[17:51] <holstein> i just pinged him in that channel anyways
[17:52] <preppert> Thanks. I guess I'll see if he is available.
[17:52] <preppert> Or ... did he reply?
[17:52] <holstein> there is no risk.. back up your data, and plan for the hard drive to fail (because is will).. then you risk nothing
[17:53] <preppert> Right - especially with running it live. Might be worth just getting 12.04 to work though. I don't think there was anything particular in 12.10 that I need.
[17:54] <preppert> Thank you for the suggestions.
[17:54] <holstein> sure.. enjoy!
[17:55] <preppert> Oh, wait...what kind of music do you do, anyway? Link?
[17:57] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[17:57] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FZ1lXyM-k
[17:58] <holstein> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork1
[17:58] <holstein> http://www.artofliferecords.com/triomusic.html
[18:03] <preppert> Thanks for the links.
[18:04] <preppert> Playing first track, holstein. This is right down my alley. Love it.
[18:05] <holstein> preppert: enjoy!