[00:33] anyone here? [00:34] lol === wook is now known as Guest82061 === zequence_ is now known as zequence [17:31] Hello. [17:31] o/ [17:32] May I ask an upgrade question? [17:33] preppert: sure [17:33] i dont upgrade [17:33] i run the LTS's on my production machines [17:33] I am going from Ubuntu Studio 12.04 to 12.10 and upgrade-manager will not launch. [17:33] i test the "in between ones" and i usually run an upgrade test somewhere [17:33] so, there is nothing wrong with upgrading.. but, do you need to? [17:33] is there anything in 12.10 that you need? [17:34] Ubuntu Studio was working like Crackerjack on version 11, Feisty. Upgrade no longer plays nicely with my M-Audio outboard soundcard. [17:34] http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-1004-1010-1104-to-ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-a-server/ [17:34] preppert: 11.04? 11.10? [17:35] I am desperately trying to get everything working again, that is all. Tried many settings. [17:35] if you want to upgrade to 12.10, you'll need to be on 12.04 [17:35] you can try 12.10 live, but support usually wont be "automatically" added back in for older devices [17:35] I am already on 12.04. [17:35] It's an old Dell Inspiron 1420. [17:35] i would expect, when you have hardware that is dropping out of support, upgrading will actually get you futher away from support "out of the box" [17:36] i would try 12.10 live before you bother upgrading.. unless you just want to [17:36] Does 'live' mean run from DVD? [17:37] preppert: dvd or usb.. run it however you want live before you install [17:37] you waste 4 or 5 hours upgrading for hardware support, and its not there either [17:37] I was thinking to try it live first, yes. [17:38] plus, commenting on your above statement... ubuntustduio *still* runs like a "firecracker".. its the hardware support that is lacking [17:38] you can look for what alsa/jack/kernel version best supports your device, and run them in the distro or ubuntu version of your choice [17:38] It's not an ancient laptop. [17:39] preppert: in not talking about the laptop [17:39] Oh. [17:39] preppert: you mention the maudio device as if it is a deal breaker [17:39] preppert: if you *need* it to be supported, then choose the software that best supports it [17:39] Yes. I have a desktop computer. I use this for recording music. It was great! [17:39] was? [17:39] im not following [17:40] Under previous version of Ubuntu Studio. [17:40] you mean, the support for your device [17:40] correct [17:40] Ubuntu is all that's ever been installed on this laptop. [17:40] ? [17:40] that doesnt affect the "greatness" of ubuntustduio [17:40] it is what it is, and we support what we can [17:40] if you want to support that maudio device, i will give you some suggestions [17:41] Yes, I guess you could put it that way. I have no complaints about UbuntuStudio. [17:41] Where can I look to see which kernel is best? [17:41] i would load up live CD's til something "just works".. even if that is 11.04 or 11.10 ... load it up live, make a note of the kernel version, alsa version and jack version [17:41] preppert: ? [17:41] preppert: "best" is a matter of opinion [17:41] preppert: the kernel we ship with is what we have decided is the "best" all around [17:42] "just works" is how I meant that... [17:42] preppert: there is the generic one.. and the pae ones [17:42] preppert: you should have no issues with the lowlatency kernel we provide, other than maybe support has been dropped for your device [17:42] preppert: you can always add that support back, though i bet it is alsa that is the issue [17:42] preppert: what would i do? more research [17:42] and search "linux maudio device".. not ubuntu, or ubuntustudio [17:42] Do you do any music production in UbuntuStudio? [17:43] preppert: yes [17:43] preppert: what maudio device? [17:43] FastTrack PRO [17:43] It's pretty common, I surmise. [17:44] Also - it partially works! [17:44] preppert: and you used it with JACK? [17:44] Yep. [17:44] i hear it works fine with jack.. out of the box [17:44] fasttrack pro requires a special driver from alsa, so it's not your average device [17:44] the uses who have it in #opensourcemusicians say it just works [17:45] What's the guys name who wrote it? [17:45] But now Jack Settings area not showing it. Output plays locally on the soundcard. Latency problems with MIDI. [17:45] maybe after installing that driver ^^ [17:45] He usually hangs out at #opensourcemusicians [17:45] zequence: and forcing 16bit? [17:45] The driver should be included with alsa [17:45] preppert: upgrading to 12.10 wont fix that support [17:45] preppert: i would hang where you are, and get the driver package that zequence is talking about [17:46] Aha! If the driver is missing - and I did a clean install, that could be it! [17:46] Cool [17:47] preppert: It's fast track pro ultra, right? [17:47] http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.mx/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html is relevant, though i wouldnt bother with the kerne yet [17:47] kernel* [17:47] I think the guy who wrote the driver is nevyn, but not sure [17:47] zequence: i think you are right [17:48] now that you mention it.. that sounds correct [17:48] OK - I didn't see mention of this on the forums. I must try the driver. [17:49] preppert: there are no forums for your particular hardware case [17:49] preppert: that is what makes support so challenging [17:49] you really have to test and work it out on your own [17:49] BTW - that page looks familiar, I may well have had to do that before, and forgot. It would have been erased during clean install. [17:49] i dont have that hardware.. maudio wont help you.. we cant help you [17:49] preppert: i would just read that, and wait til you see nevvyn in #opensourcemusicians [17:50] in the mean time, try live CD's.. try the 12.10 live.. try AVlinux... try 12.04 live [17:50] Is OK. I am fine with dinking around with it on my own. It did take a ton of wrangling with the earlier release. [17:50] sure, but you'll "dink" around, and break something permanently [17:50] you'll get to nevyyn and he'll say "do this one easy step" and you'll have it all dinked up [17:51] but, its your box.. [17:51] Well, that's sort of what happened with the clean install. I knew it was a bit of a risk. [17:51] i just pinged him in that channel anyways [17:52] Thanks. I guess I'll see if he is available. [17:52] Or ... did he reply? [17:52] there is no risk.. back up your data, and plan for the hard drive to fail (because is will).. then you risk nothing [17:53] Right - especially with running it live. Might be worth just getting 12.04 to work though. I don't think there was anything particular in 12.10 that I need. [17:54] Thank you for the suggestions. [17:54] sure.. enjoy! [17:55] Oh, wait...what kind of music do you do, anyway? Link? [17:57] http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ [17:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FZ1lXyM-k [17:58] http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork1 [17:58] http://www.artofliferecords.com/triomusic.html [18:03] Thanks for the links. [18:04] Playing first track, holstein. This is right down my alley. Love it. [18:05] preppert: enjoy!