[00:09] <BarkingFish> Evening guys :)  Just a quick "uh-oh" for you.  I'm trying to commit an edit to bug 1023645 on launchpad, and it's consistently timing out.  I don't know if it's right down or just some technical probs.  Thought I'd just give you a heads up in case you had anything to do on there :)
[00:10] <yofel> BarkingFish: too many dupes maybe. 
[00:11] <yofel> #launchpad can help, as repeated timeouts warrant a bug report
[00:11] <BarkingFish> ok, i just joined there, i'm gonna let them know
[00:11] <yofel> (if anyone's awake there)
[00:11] <yofel> it's weekend after all :/
[00:13] <BarkingFish> yeah :)  1.11 am here, and I'm desperately trying to sink an unpleasant feeling in my stomach :)
[00:14] <BarkingFish> A couple of beers should do that, but they haven't.  I had to treat someone for a nosebleed earlier, and it's the one thing - only one thing - in my job, which makes me feel like revisiting dinner.
[00:44] <BarkingFish> btw, yofel, was it you who pinged up the bug on plasma-desktop crashing on login?
[00:49] <yofel> can't remember right now... I can think of many plasma bugs...
[00:49] <BarkingFish> yeah - i have a stack of updates here for kde though, and I'm concerned about applying them for fear of getting effectively locked out of plasma.
[03:37] <smartboyhw> Good morning chaps
[05:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1082394] krunner freezes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082394 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[06:00] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1120077] Upgrade to 4.10 leads to terminal related artifacts on the desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1120077 (by bastafidli)
[07:26] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[07:26] <smartboyhw> Hey phoenix_firebrd 
[07:27] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: hi
[07:43] <smartboyhw> Oh no, there is a smarter who is smarter than smartboyhw:P
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[07:45] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, are you on 12.04 or 13.04 (or 12.10)/
[07:45] <smartboyhw> ?
[07:49] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: 12.10
[07:49] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: i am in 12.10 with backports enabled 
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: ??
[08:00] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, I want someone with 12.04:P
[08:00] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: oh ok
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning, does someone have 13.04 installed on a laptop?
[08:52] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I did
[08:54] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Do you recognize this: after you had woken the laptop from its slumber, the case fan start to blow at 100% rpm, while there is no process hogging the cpu. The cpu is around 30 degrees btw.
[08:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:59] <shadeslayer> lordievader: do you have nepomuk enabled?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> usually my CPU usage spikes when virtuoso is doing itself
[09:00] <shadeslayer> s/itself/something/
[09:00] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "usually my CPU usage spikes when virtuoso is doing something"
[09:00] <lordievader> shadeslayer: After it crashed on every boot I have disabled it. However I have not yet rebooted since I disabled it.
[09:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:01] <shadeslayer>  ps aux | grep virtuoso       
[09:01] <lordievader> Shall I reboot and verify if the behaviour is still there?
[09:01] <shadeslayer> yeah, reboot and check if it's still there
[09:01] <shadeslayer> and odd that it crashed
[09:01] <lordievader> Process isn't running right now.
[09:02] <lordievader> There were quite a few duplicate bug on the crash of nepomuk.
[09:05] <lordievader> Rebooted and put to sleep, wakes up with 100% rpm on the fan.
[09:07] <lordievader> <5% cpu usage, cpu temp: 25~30 C
[09:08] <shadeslayer> :S
[09:08] <shadeslayer> what laptop is this?
[09:08] <shadeslayer> because I remember my macbook having dead fans on boot, turned out to be a kernel issue
[09:09] <lordievader> An older one: HP Compaq 6730s
[09:11] <lordievader> I'll see if my HP Elitebook 8560w has the same problem, bbl.
[09:21] <shadeslayer> lordievader: interenet says to blacklist the video module
[09:21] <lordievader> The 13.04 installation is on an external drive, if I boot from there on the elitebook it does not give me the menu option of sleep/standby. However if I issue it with pm-suspend and then wake it up there is no problem. When I do the same on the compaq there is still the bug.
[09:22] <lordievader> Not sure what module to blacklist.
[09:24] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't really blacklist that module
[09:25] <shadeslayer> afaik it's what drives the display
[09:25] <shadeslayer> see http://www.linlap.com/hp-compaq_6730s
[09:26] <lordievader> You mean the comment: add "blacklist video" to the blacklist file.
[09:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:26] <shadeslayer> do you have fglrx installed?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> or the open source radeon driver
[09:27] <lordievader> There are different models of this laptop, this one got an intel gfx chip.
[09:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:28] <shadeslayer> the intel stuff works great out of the box
[09:28] <lordievader> Yes they do, the whole laptop works great out of the box actually.
[09:29] <shadeslayer> I have no idea tbh, maybe #ubuntu can help
[09:30] <lordievader> Hmm does not fix it. Well it doesn't matter much to me, I just thought if this was occuring to more laptops it might be a bug with 13.04.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> nope, works fine for me
[09:31] <shadeslayer> except when virtuoso takes one entire core
[09:31] <lordievader> As it did on my other laptop.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> lordievader: might also be worth filing a bug against the kernel on launchpad?
[09:32] <shadeslayer> lordievader: actually, that happens only once or twice every 12 hours :)
[09:33] <lordievader> I ment that waking up without the fan going haywire works on the other laptop. I haven't seen any cpu spikes on 13.04 yet.
[09:33] <shadeslayer> bah
[09:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plasma-mobile is still stuck
[09:34] <shadeslayer> says "Valid candidate"
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer one question: Is MOTU (Masters of the Universe) named after a film with the same time?
[11:34] <smartboyhw> BTW, anyone here IS doing plasmate?
[12:08] <Peace-> hi :D
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Hi Peace- 
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: hi
[12:24] <Peace-> hey
[12:32] <yofel> hum
[12:33] <yofel> It seems that everyone forgot to upload the kde-l10n backports
[12:33] <yofel> (I guess me always doing it has a part in that)
[12:33]  * yofel gets to work
[12:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes it has some relation to the He-Man film
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Wow!
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Chinese New Year coming in 3:10 hours
[12:51] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Happy Chinese new year!
[12:57] <smartboyhw> lordievader, not yet:P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Since I'm from Hong Kong that's why I mentioned it
[12:58] <lordievader> smartboyhw: I've been there last year, man that city is large and busy.
[13:09]  * yofel requested some more space for backports
[13:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not out partying and watching fireworks?
[13:24] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no fireworks today
[13:28] <smartboyhw> It is on I think Monday
[13:28] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yes:)
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: happy new year
[13:29] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, not yet. It is based on GMT+8
[13:29] <smartboyhw> And now it is still 9:29 PM here
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Which is GMT+8
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: I am in india
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: its +5.30 for me
[13:31] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, you want to do the Plasmate packaging?
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: queue is full for me
[13:31] <smartboyhw> !testers new ISO 20120209 has arrived
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Damn how to use it Riddell ?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> !testers | new ISO 20120209 of Precise has arrived
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Got it:P
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: one of the patch file in xfs has 70 chunks and it needs to be refreshed, can i package it at last?
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: *hunks
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger added me to sftp.kde.org for calligra packaging about 4-5 days ago. Now that I've changed my ssh key, can you re-enable my access?
[13:39] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: in xfs?  we're not talking kde here are we?
[13:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah can do
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ya , here http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just use the new ssh key in my Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[13:40] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: check if upstream accepted some of the patches
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats by checking the commit logs?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: why are some package names with version are inconsistant with standars?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> like?
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: sadms pkg-ubu-2.0.16
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i used the v option 
[13:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: this is the present version in ubuntu 2.0.15.repack-0ubuntu2
[13:44] <shadeslayer> you mean : 2.0.15.repack-0ubuntu2
[13:44] <shadeslayer> right
[13:44] <shadeslayer> that's fine
[13:44] <shadeslayer> it indicates that the tarball was repacked
[13:44] <shadeslayer> for some reason
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i can just <app>_<version> ?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> isn't that the norm>
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[13:45] <shadeslayer> srcname_version.orig.tar.foo
[13:46] <shadeslayer> where foo is one of xz, bz2 or gz
[13:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i can rename it right?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:47] <shadeslayer> upstream will usually name the tar  : src-version.tar.foo
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: can the original arch be used without renaming ?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> or zip/rar in some weird cases
[13:47] <shadeslayer> original arch?
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: the one that uupdate downloads and which will be uploaded to launchpad by dput
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ahh
[13:49] <shadeslayer> yes, you can rename it, but please try and not to ;)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> we usually don't rename tars, unless we absolutely have to
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: no i asked can we use that without renaming
[13:49] <Riddell>  smartboyhw done
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[13:50] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: well I doubt there's an easy way to do it, apply the patch and look at the bits that don't apply and work out what needs to be done
[13:50] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: weren't you working on telepathy packaging and something else?
[13:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thats not the issue, i am thinking of putting it at the end of my work queue
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: telepathy work is done is parallel
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I am preparing a list for my personal purposes and for updating the file. This is the one http://paste.kde.org/668144/
[13:57] <lordievader> Time to test the new 12.04.2 image.
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: some of the packages asks to install certain packages before building else debuild fails, how does the launchpad machines identify these packages but not my pbuilder install?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: for example i had to install dpatch for debuild to succeed
[13:58] <shadeslayer> if you use pbuilder it should automatically install those deps
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[13:59] <shadeslayer> you need to have some of the things installed that debian/rules needs
[13:59] <shadeslayer> like pkg-kde-tools if you use the debhelper kde addon
[13:59] <shadeslayer> how else will debuild know what to do :)
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so those machines in the launchpad how do they process these automatically?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: Build Depends?
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i should add dpatch to build deps?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> is it not there already?
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya, also i feel that these packages are need to be preinstalled before anything, i may be wrong
[14:01] <shadeslayer> sorry, I don't follow ...
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: wait 
[14:02] <shadeslayer> what launchpad does is that it installs some packages, unpacks the source and packaging, installs the build deps and starts building
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: try packaging mpich
[14:04] <shadeslayer> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make'.  Stop.
[14:04] <shadeslayer> that
[14:04] <shadeslayer> ?
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[14:04] <shadeslayer> !find dpatch.make
[14:04] <shadeslayer> right, so if you read line 44 of debian/rules
[14:04] <shadeslayer> include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: checking
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> and I see dpatch in Build-Depends
[14:05] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: it uses dpatch for patches
[14:05] <shadeslayer> instead of quilt
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ( guessing here )
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so now dpatch have to be installed right?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: then how does launchpad automate it?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> well .. dpatch is installed because it's there in the build-depends
[14:07] <shadeslayer> so it gets installed with all the other Build Dependencies
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: in that case why the error?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> because debuild doesn't automagically install the build-deps
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what should be done so that the debuild succeeds without errors?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> install dpatch
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok i understood
[14:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: do people put this as a comment somewhere?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[14:10] <shadeslayer> if you're a maintainer, you usually have these tools installed
[14:10] <shadeslayer> for eg. the debian maintainer of mpich is comfortable with dpatch
[14:10] <shadeslayer> instead of quilt
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok, i am preparing a chat with these comments for my personal purposes
[14:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: *chart
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: one more doubt
[14:11] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: if someone is trying to package KDE but has gnome installed, I wouldn't expect him to have pkg-kde-tools installed
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: right
[14:11] <shadeslayer> and s/he will hit the exact same issue
[14:11] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer:  when doing uupdate for a package the resulting folder downloaded contains the latest version of that software packaged to deb with the .dsc file and the original tar, so should i just upload it to my ppa?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> did you test build it?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> if it builds fine, sounds good
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: haven't tested it
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you have a look at plasma-mobile?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> stuck in proposed it is
[14:15] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: upload to PPA and then test it?
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats what i thought :)
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hum something about kubuntu-active
[14:16] <Riddell> but not sure what
[14:16] <Riddell> maybe it's sitll not installable
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: Thats all now, build failed because of no disk space , going to try resizing my root , hope it will go smooth
[14:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:22] <gerlos> hello everyone!
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:31] <gerlos> Got Dolphin an Konqueror freeze when I right-click on a file, any hint?
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[14:35] <BluesKaj> gerlos, updated /upgraded lately ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[14:35] <gerlos> BluesKaj: yes, from kubuntu-backports PPA
[14:36] <BluesKaj> to 4.10 then 
[14:37] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, I'm on 4.10
[14:38] <gerlos> BluesKaj: just disabled ALL the services for the right click menu, freezes seem gone, but right click menu doesn't appear "instantly", it tooks a 2-3 secs...
[14:38] <gerlos> BluesKaj: I suppose I have to do some trial and error to find the bad service...
[14:39] <BluesKaj> gerlos try resetting the menubar style in app appearance >fine tuning
[14:40] <gerlos> BluesKaj: it's already there. But I'm using the "window menubar" plasmoid in a panel, may it be connected with the problem?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I had the same symptoms yesterday ...I set the menubar to "in application" then rebooted 
[14:44] <BluesKaj> gerlos , I just tried the window menubar in the panel , works ok 
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no freezing when right clicking on files
[14:46] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, disabling all the services averything seems to work fine
[14:47] <BluesKaj> you can also choose to have a menubar at the top of your screen , which is pretty neat ..set it in fine tuning 
[14:47] <BluesKaj> disabling which services , gerlos ?
[14:49] <gerlos> BluesKaj: went to Settings -> Configure dolphin -> services and disabled everything
[14:50] <BluesKaj> gerlos, that seems rather drastic :P
[14:51] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, but at least now we know that's one (or some) of those services fault...
[14:52] <BluesKaj> have you updated / upgraded today , gerlos ..also dist-upgrade 
[14:53] <gerlos> BluesKaj: did it yesterday, I'll do it again now
[14:56] <gerlos> BluesKaj: did it, installed just an updated localization package
[14:57] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu, gerlos ?
[14:58] <gerlos> BluesKaj: I'm running kubuntu 12.10, I always upgrade from previous releases
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't seem to connect to sftp.kde.org
[15:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: this is what you meant for ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright? http://paste.kde.org/668228/
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ftpmaster.kde.org
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but what do you need?
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah sorry
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: is this correct for ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright ? http://paste.kde.org/668228/
[15:15] <gerlos> BluesKaj: reactivated almost all the services, still no freezes... boh!
[15:16] <BluesKaj> gerlos, good :)
[15:16] <gerlos> BluesKaj: anyway, thanks for yrou support!
[15:17] <lordievader> During installation of 12.04.2 the release notes point to kubuntu.org/news is this correct?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> gerlos, np 
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Happy Chinese New Year!!!!!
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: hello, I wanted to do some more testing, and I saw that there are no more results on this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> what happened?
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> the results there were submited are gone
[16:08] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, new build maybe
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> it was for 12.04.2
[16:09] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, yes new build
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> ok....
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> that means I have to redo the tests?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Precise 12.04.2] has been updated (20130209)
[16:10] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Precise 12.04.2] has been updated (20130209)
[16:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, well frankly yes
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> oh...
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> does this happen often?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, um sort of
[16:12] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[16:14] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: happy new year :)
[16:14] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, when there is a bug fixed in precise, there is a need to build new ISOs
[16:14] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, thx
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> thank's for the help
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> have to go now
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> see you soon
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[17:55] <Peace-> my god but really this kind of rule exist ?
[17:55] <Peace-> link to let me google for you it's rude?
[17:55] <Tm_T> wrong channel
[17:55] <Peace-> i don't know
[17:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: you know devel channel is not place to discuss support channel rules
[17:56] <Peace-> well i don't remember the one 
[17:56] <Peace-> kubuntu-ops?
[17:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: you could have asked (;
[17:56] <Quintasan> Tm_T: Well techically it is since we are the only ones providing support :P
[17:57] <Tm_T> Quintasan: not really
[17:57] <Tm_T> Peace-: #ubuntu-ops
[17:57] <Peace-> omg ubuntu 
[17:57] <Peace-> no.. 
[17:57] <Peace-> i prefered to leave these stupid conversation off from my life
[17:58] <Tm_T> noone is asking you to continue on the topic (:
[17:58] <Peace-> infact i will close here
[19:42] <claydoh> 1002 google plus users are part of the Kubuntu community over there :)
[19:45] <ScottK> jtechidna: Is the backend code for prompting for upgrading to a new release any different for Kubuntu than on Ubuntu?
[19:48] <jtechidna> nope, both use MetaReleaseCore from python3-update-manager
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^
[19:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:57] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1120553] veromix-plasmoid can't be loaded @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1120553 (by Cole Mickens)
[21:30] <sheytan> Riddell: around?
[22:37] <yofel> fun, kdesdk just moved to git
[23:05] <sheytan> http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/02/poszukiwanie-nowych-rozwiazan.html