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| hallyn | infinity: say, do you think there would be any objection to adding MS_SLAVE (and friends) to /usr/include/sys/mount.h in lucid? | 04:35 |
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| hallyn | infinity: (this is regarding http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg225516.html) | 04:37 |
| infinity | In... Lucid? | 04:38 |
| infinity | hallyn: Explain to me why we care? | 04:39 |
| hallyn | infinity: uh, ok! :) someone running lucid with old libc but backported kernel? | 04:40 |
| hallyn | so they want to do ip netns <wahtever> | 04:40 |
| infinity | hallyn: The version of iproute2 in lucid (obviously) compiles fine in lucid. Is there some motivation to backport, other than this dude who's building new software on an old release? | 04:40 |
| infinity | hallyn: new kernels on lucid fail in lots of subtle (and not so subtle) ways. | 04:41 |
| infinity | hallyn: Like, uhm. udev. | 04:41 |
| infinity | hallyn: So, again, tell me why we care? | 04:41 |
| hallyn | well, we care bc really it's a dumbass bug in the layout of the .h files, | 04:41 |
| hallyn | it's not liek the define wasn't there, | 04:41 |
| hallyn | it was just not in the right place. | 04:42 |
| infinity | Had nothing to do with layout. | 04:42 |
| infinity | linux private headers != libc public headers. | 04:42 |
| hallyn | we can argue one way or the other about this particular program, but MS_SLAVE is almost as old as i am | 04:42 |
| hallyn | right, and MS_SLAVE should have been in libc | 04:42 |
| infinity | And they're not always in sync. And glibc clearly wasn't at that point. | 04:42 |
| hallyn | right :) | 04:42 |
| infinity | But my point is that "supporting new software on old releases" isn't an SRU target. | 04:42 |
| infinity | And that's exactly what this is, since the old version of iproute2 demonstrably works. | 04:43 |
| hallyn | but MS_SLAVE is so old that i argue it's not for "new" software | 04:43 |
| infinity | It's for new software. | 04:43 |
| infinity | Nothing in the archive needed it, or someone would have noticed. | 04:43 |
| hallyn | no, this example just happens to be new | 04:43 |
| hallyn | well no, someone would have done what i always did | 04:43 |
| hallyn | and done #ifndef MS_SLAVE #define MS_SLAVE | 04:43 |
| hallyn | all right, so the answer is now :) i just wanted to be sure before responding | 04:44 |
| hallyn | s/now/no/ | 04:44 |
| infinity | The answer is "there's no compelling reason". | 04:44 |
| hallyn | (i'm not exactly heavily invested in this, it's just somethign that bugged me witg glibc from oh say 2006-2010) | 04:44 |
| infinity | If it bugged you in 2006, there was plenty of time to fix it before 2010. :P | 04:45 |
| hallyn | #ifndef :) | 04:45 |
| hallyn | thanks - happy friday night | 04:45 |
| infinity | lucid's missing a lot of those flags. | 04:47 |
| infinity | Some far more interesting. | 04:47 |
| infinity | Like, MS_MOVE. | 04:47 |
| infinity | So, I'm going to again go with "run precise instead". | 04:47 |
| hallyn | (it used to miss several syscalls plus the newer CLONE_NEW* too) | 04:47 |
| infinity | I dunno. If there's a reason to do a more drastically interesting SRU, we could cue up some minor header syncing. | 04:48 |
| infinity | But I'm not sure it's worth the effort. | 04:48 |
| hallyn | no no. i'm with you. | 04:48 |
| infinity | And most upstreams will say the same thing, really. | 04:48 |
| infinity | Heck, I got laughed at by benh for running an "ancient" 3.2 kernel. | 04:49 |
| hallyn | i'm just happy things are more in sync nowadays | 04:49 |
| * hallyn out | 04:49 | |
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| infinity | tjaalton: FYI, in your next xorg-server merge from Debian, don't miss the changes from my last upload. | 08:07 |
| tjaalton | infinity: which one was that? | 08:28 |
| infinity | tjaalton: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/130794589/xorg-server_2%3A1.13.2-0ubuntu1_2%3A1.13.2-0ubuntu2.diff.gz | 08:32 |
| infinity | tjaalton: Basically just a revert of our delta (hence the build-dep patch being more than one line, cause it reverts to being the same as Debian for easier merging) | 08:33 |
| tjaalton | ah | 08:33 |
| tjaalton | we're staging the next bump on a ppa, I'll merge that in | 08:33 |
| infinity | tjaalton: After finishing the audit MIR, I felt the urge to go undo all our no-audit deltas, so we wouldn't forget. | 08:33 |
| tjaalton | oh cool | 08:33 |
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| Marlinc | Hello is it possible to integrate my application into the Ubuntu online accounts system? So when a user logs in it gets added to the online accounts system and it can be managed from there | 10:36 |
| mitya57 | Marlinc: yes, see http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/online-accounts/ | 10:37 |
| mitya57 | and http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/python/AccountPlugin-1.0.html | 10:38 |
| Marlinc | Okay nice I'll take a look | 10:38 |
| Marlinc | And with Java mm.. I develop my application in Java so it can run on Ubuntu, other Linux distro's, Windows and Mac OS X | 10:39 |
| Marlinc | Is it possible to do those things with Java or is there another good alternative to Java that can be easily used on all of those platforms? | 10:39 |
| mitya57 | no, that API is not available for Java | 10:41 |
| mitya57 | Python works on all systems :) | 10:41 |
| mitya57 | You can also try to use JavaScript, the API should be available there through GObject Introspection | 10:42 |
| Marlinc | Well okay Python is nice it is supported on all platforms | 10:43 |
| Marlinc | And provides Ubuntu integration | 10:44 |
| Marlinc | Okay I just saw Jython | 10:53 |
| Marlinc | Can I use it to access the Ubuntu API's from Java | 10:53 |
| Marlinc | Ah jvm I think mm | 10:54 |
| mitya57 | Marlinc: I'm not sure, you can try :) AFAICT, it implements an old Python syntax (~2.6), and nobody actually builds modules for it... | 11:05 |
| Marlinc | Ah.. | 11:06 |
| Marlinc | Well is there a more lower way of communicating with those APIs? So I can implement a basic thing in Java | 11:07 |
| mitya57 | Marlinc: I believe signond has some D-Bus API, but I don't see it documented anywhere | 11:15 |
| Marlinc | Mm okay | 11:15 |
| Marlinc | And how about lenses and scopes | 11:15 |
| mitya57 | The same I think. The only D-Bus API that is documented is the Launcher API (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Low_level_DBus_API:_com.canonical.Unity.LauncherEntry), but with note "do not use it" | 11:18 |
| Marlinc | Ah.. | 11:20 |
| mitya57 | But you better ask on #ubuntu-unity about that | 11:20 |
| mitya57 | (not on weekend) | 11:20 |
| Marlinc | Okay | 11:20 |
| Marlinc | Well luckily it is vacation next week | 11:21 |
| * mitya57 has to go away now | 11:21 | |
| Marlinc | In The Netherlands at least | 11:21 |
| Marlinc | Cya | 11:21 |
| vibhav | seb128: ping | 13:09 |
| vibhav | Actually, Is anybody from the Nexus 7 team available? | 13:10 |
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| shar | slangasek, are you in-charge of the foundations-r-wubi-publishing specification? | 13:48 |
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| Judith | What is adult novelty? | 16:16 |
| Judith | What is adult novelty? | 16:18 |
| vibhav | infinity: Was autopkgtest inspired when you uploaded a broken version of dpkg? | 16:45 |
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| Gaga | Please tell me where ubuntu-core-12.10-core-armhf.tar.gz includes Kernel or it is only rootfs? I wont to run it on i.MX53 Quick start board | 18:10 |
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| panzersajt_ | Hy I have seen that canonical will release ubuntu for mobiles phones and I have seen that the refernce phone is based on omap4460. I have a omap4460 based tablet. I would like to ask weather it will be possible to install ubuntu mobile on it? It has same display resolution 1280x800 so that should be a problem (with working drivers of course) | 18:13 |
| Gaga | As I know Ubuntu Phone source is not released yet???? | 18:14 |
| panzersajt__ | no it is not but it will be during the MWC at the end of this mounth | 18:17 |
| Gaga | As I know it will mostly intended to use with development boards (such as Pandaboard ES, Beagle board ...) | 18:19 |
| Gaga | Even if it will available for your phone it will have tons of bugs | 18:21 |
| Gaga | Please tell me where I can download Ubuntu Core source tarball? if available | 18:22 |
| cjwatson | vibhav: Um, infinity didn't write autopkgtest ... | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | Gaga: You need to add your own kernel. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | Gaga: The source is simply the corresponding packages in the Ubuntu archive | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | (i.e. "apt-get source <whichever package you're interested in>") | 18:25 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- but it is not a package, it is olso with apt get? | 18:26 |
| cjwatson | There's no package for ubuntu-core itself - it's just a tarball assembled from lots of other packages | 18:27 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- Thank you for answer, Please can you give me a direct link to single tarball? | 18:27 |
| cjwatson | (Though it's built using the live-build package) | 18:27 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- Ubuntu Core X86 olso needs to add kernel? | 18:28 |
| cjwatson | Yes | 18:28 |
| cjwatson | Gaga: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/12.10/release/ubuntu-core-12.10-core-armhf.tar.gz | 18:28 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- I wont to run it on i.MX Quick Start Board R, I have kernel and rootfs patches from freescale | 18:31 |
| cjwatson | I'm not an expert on this, but since that's ARMv7-based I don't see why that would be too problematic | 18:33 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- It there any additional configuration necesarry except applyng patches to original kernel from kernel.org and to this rootfs? | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | You'll have to arrange to boot it somehow; but I'm afraid I don't know more details | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | The wiki page I pointed you to above has some general guidance | 18:34 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- Building linux image for Freescale board first time was big trouble for me, I seen there is a few image builders like Buildroot and ELDK but they are too complex and work using them is not much easier than without them. | 18:37 |
| Gaga | cjwatson-- I am planning to launch new open source project like that | 18:38 |
| BadDesign | Where is the documentation for writing applications in GJS for Gnome 3? | 18:41 |
| Gaga | https://live.gnome.org/Gjs | 18:42 |
| Gaga | You have seen this page? | 18:42 |
| BadDesign | Gaga: yeah, but where is the documentation for JavaScript? I don't want to read the C docs to use GObject | 18:43 |
| infinity | vibhav: What Colin said. I had nothing to do with autopkgtest. Also, I'd never upload a broken dpkg! *whistles innocently* | 19:12 |
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| cjwelborn | nobody is talking about ubuntu development? | 23:58 |
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