[00:14] no, they don't get pressed [00:15] just download it and burn it (or put it on USB which is generally better) === emma_ is now known as em [00:26] AlanBell: ZoneMinder is seriously disappointing me :( [00:26] :( [00:26] last release august 2011, lacks basic features like...audio [00:27] yeah, it seems to be stuck on old style cctv with not much support for new toys [00:27] indeed [00:28] http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/304 is more the kind of thing I want it to do [00:28] I wanted to do this too. [00:29] spot interesting things, follow them around and make videos with sound of interesting stuff [00:30] exactly [00:31] svn has been dead since last July, so yea. [00:31] also timelapse [00:31] I have been looking into doing it in python with opencv [00:31] I reckon opencv would give a significant amount of awesome features. [00:31] want to do scheduled snapshots in different directions and timelapse them [00:33] hehe [00:33] well, I'm having trouble audio grabbing in python atm, hopefully I'll get somewhere. [00:33] that face tracking example you linked, that's done in OpenCV. [00:33] so if I could get something similar to ZoneMinder (at least the basics) powered by OpenCV, it'd be a huge step in the right direction [00:33] yes, I think opencv is the way forward [00:34] there are different approaches to the area of cameras really [00:34] some people want a multi-camera serious security setup [00:35] others want a cool toy that does interesting things and also does security [00:35] there's no reason both can't be done really [00:38] I have two of the cameras now, the one at the front door is being useful, the other isn't really, I haven't decided where to mount it [00:38] I've got one atm :) [00:38] I might reflash the firmware on that one, I want to try and get a command prompt on it via ssh or telnet [00:40] I did some stuff with huggin to make panoramas which was interesting [00:40] and if you take a bunch of pictures and average them you can get rid of a lot of sensor noise [00:41] hehe [00:41] I also discovered something interesting about the noise, it appears to be related to a 16x8 pixel grid === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [00:48] http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/cleansnaplight.png if you zoom in on that you can see a grid pattern [00:48] http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/cleansnapdark.png [00:48] same for that one [00:49] those images are the result of merging about 500 frames and picking the lightest pixel from all the frames or the darkest pixel from all the frames [00:49] there is this sensor grid where the most noise happens that gets exposed by this, the most variable pixels form the dark and light grid [00:50] I expect that kind of thing could be used in video image forensics as it is a bit of a signature of the camera and would probably show up tampering [00:51] fun [00:52] fun story [00:52] once i was messing around on mturk [00:52] and i found a job asking for pictures "of anything" [00:52] turns out they wanted jpegs from as many cameras as possible so they could analyse the compression artifacts for forensics [00:53] they paid me like $5 for taking 3 pictures on each of my many cameras and phones [00:53] that's the best paying job i ever saw on there by far [00:54] cool [00:56] opencv is good but the API is pretty bad [00:56] it uses many pointers [00:56] even the python version is just like using C [00:56] you can do simple motion detect using numpy and scipy which are much nicer to use [00:56] * AlanBell dislikes pointers [00:57] but that's going to be too limited if yu want to do face detect [00:58] AlanBell: i don't know why you dislike pointers so much [00:58] you should learn assembler, then you will love pointers [00:59] AlanBell: Oh, I didn't know that they didn't get pressed.. thanx .. A word of Warning.. Never go to the shop after midnight !! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Kubuntu%20Pens.png [00:59] pointers let you hurt yourself [00:59] get an arduino and program it to do "hello world" in assembler [00:59] that is a lot of pens redtape-renegade [01:00] yep .. how long to canonical usu. take to deliver ? [01:00] dunno [01:00] the americans complain about delivery costs and times [01:00] isle of man is now known as pen island [01:00] but, Do They Deliver ? [01:02] I have had tshirts from the store fairly quickly [01:02] night all o/ [01:04] nightology ... [03:23] Recently installed ubuntu 12.04, having some issues with updates and speed. New to linux. Can someone help? [07:59] daftykins, Finally installed X-Chat, ... now we're suckin' diesel !! [08:00] Sorry where R my manners .. Morning All ! [08:33] redtape-renegade, Morning... [08:33] Morning All ! [09:13] I quite Agree . There are definate advantages to saving to a PNG picture rather than a PDF :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Lubuntu%20desktop%20Feb%2713%20screenshot%20LOGO.png [09:46] morning all [09:58] morning [10:08] morning [10:08] good? [10:14] moo [10:33] good morning everyone, [11:13] \o brobostigon [11:14] o/ MartijnVdS [11:20] * MartijnVdS has new walking shoes [11:24] :) [11:30] whats the best mp3 tagging software nowadays? [11:30] had some problems with musicbrainz a while back [11:30] mungbean: picard uses musicbrainz, I use it for everything [11:31] if it's not on MB, I add it [11:31] works ok ? [11:31] works great [11:31] i thought something changed/broke [11:31] yeah they changed their API [11:31] but they also release a new version of picard.. so it works again/still [11:31] but works OOTB on 12.04 still? [11:31] 12.04.. that's a good one [11:31] No idea! :) [11:45] jane silber on bbc click. [12:23] * penguin42 yawns [13:13] mungbean: what release was it that hte installer crapped out for you on, was it 12.04 or 12.10? [13:13] if I recall it was when you enabled encryption [13:33] mungbean: did the machine have windows on it too? [13:45] popey: it was a kvm server provided by a hosting provider [13:45] my colleague never got to the bottom of it [13:46] but when he got onto 3.5 kernel it didn't repeat anymore [13:47] seems hard to failt find cos it was a hosting provider's machine [13:47] popey: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511121/this-robotic-fur-patch-is-cooler-than-your-cat/ [13:47] correct, it was when luks/encryption done during install time on the cli installer [13:55] ah, luks [13:55] this is the home directory one [13:55] turns out it was the windows migration assistant, disabling that worked around the issue [14:20] popey: Is it actually an install fest or more generic meeting? [14:23] penguin42: Dunno but As Far As your Link above, the video doesn't play in my chromium ... perhaps we all just realizing it's not Caturday, today ; including my web-browser. :) [14:23] redtape-renegade: :-( Hmm playing on my ff here [14:24] redtape-renegade: Hmm playing in chromium 24.0.1312.56 (Ubuntu 13.04) here [14:26] penguin42: mmm, Ok .. 'bit Odd that ! Is today an 'Odd' day ? .. Oh yes, it is ... [14:29] redtape-renegade: Which days aren't odd? [14:33] penguin42: 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th .. kinda goes on till 32nd of December, which is my birthday !! [14:34] I like the 32nd, so relaxing [14:38] have you all watched tpb afk film yet? [14:38] * penguin42 wonders what Mx is as a prenominal [14:40] Anyway enough of Aberrant-ness .. it plays in firefox now, so we're all Ok there, thenm :) [14:40] penguin42: generic lug meeting [14:40] just gave a talk about popey.com/house [14:40] AGLUG ? popey, is that true ? [14:40] popey: Nice [14:41] popey, You had a GLUG ? [14:41] I'm at a LUG meet.. [14:42] AAhh but you said G.L.U.G meeting 6 lines ago .. Does everyone know the difference ? [14:52] i didnt [14:53] I said generic because penguin42 asked what type it was, whether it was an install fest or a generic lug meet [14:54] popey: Careful now ! You are close to " Minas Ithil "or the "One that Sees from Afar" stone .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantír .. Not All the G.L.U.G.'s have been found !! G.L.U.G. if you 'didn't' know is a Gnu./Linux User Group .. [14:55] the LUGs near me are LUGs, not GLUGs [14:57] someone from the FSF tried to rebrand LUGs to GLUGs and failed [14:59] popey: Well just have a talk about Android one day and nail it [15:00] * redtape-renegade thnks popey is on the Nazgûl side as he is against the Gnu .L.U.G. -stones. [15:01] I certainly am against rebranding LUGs for the sake for keeping one guy from the FSF happy, yes. [15:02] google for uk glug - > find a zillion useless results [15:02] google for uk lug -> find lots of useful results === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:06] nod [15:07] * redtape-renegade google P.L.U.G. and gets this result by mistake :::: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ [15:41] Funny .. the plugincheck-er doesn't always work thou. :::: https://support.cdn.mozilla.net/media/uploads/images/2013-02-06-07-46-02-3afbd9.png === shonk is now known as kiwimind [17:01] Crumbs he wasn't lying !! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/RedHat%20Lug%20%5Bpopey%5D.png [17:03] well he normally doesn't [17:07] judgebot: !popey [17:12] This is ludicrous !! Why wasn't this advertised to me last week ? It' on lt costs £29 to get to the UcK :: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [17:13] ***it only costs £29 return to get to the UK ... [17:16] from where? [17:17] I spent more than that on Ubuntu 17 hours ago .. !! http://goo.gl/eECE1 daftykins : They are doing it again . [17:24] penguin42: Thouglas [17:25] AKA Douglas IM14LE [17:25] oh not that far away [17:26] redtape-renegade: Where does the £29 get you to? [17:26] Yeah, If you can get past the Thoug's [17:27] Well it's £30 to Sellafield is the old expression .. would you like me to explain ? [17:27] redtape-renegade: Ah, so yeh, probably cost you more to get from there to London [17:28] penguin42: You use the wrong wiki's .. hang-on [17:30] penguin42: wiki.org/en/M6_(GB) [17:30] oops... [17:31] www.hitchwiki.org/en/M6_(GB) [17:32] hahah hitchhiking the M6...heck [17:32] there was a TED talk on it .. v. useful [17:33] * penguin42 generally prefers the Train, but it's a bit pricey [17:34] trainline ᗕ---- .. do you use it often ?? [17:34] yeh, but it's no cheaper than anywhere else and it just seems to have the same prebook discounts [17:37] So, tell me penguin42 , If I want to get to Plymouth via Liverpool using Trainline ( the rightway) .. How much would it cost and can you give me a screen-selection-shot (App.shutter) of the result ?? .. So I can plan an excursion this summer ! [17:37] redtape-renegade: To be honest I'd use transportdirect.info [17:38] redtape-renegade: And when you say via, is that where your starting from? [17:38] opening ... www.transportdirect.info (Start Liverpool) [17:40] * redtape-renegade is still annoyed he never was informed about the Ubuntu User days . poobuntu. [17:45] penguin42: Am I an idiot or does www.transportdirect.info not work for me ? Can you help, as you advocated it , Plz ?? [17:48] sure [17:49] redtape-renegade: OK, so it's appeared for me, what problem are you having with it? (I'm using firefox) [17:49] also seems to work in chrome, so in that case I guess I have to say..... [17:50] Just try and plan a train journey from Liverpool Limestreet to Plymoyuth Main station (both train station !) .. see if you can get anywhere 'cos I still stuck in Bedington ! [17:50] **I'm still stuck.. [17:50] ok, what date did you tell it? [17:51] 2 months from today. [17:51] what time? [17:51] (Apr). Tiome .. 08:55 UTC [17:51] and wth is Bedington.... [17:52] done it for me [17:52] (I'm in bed atymo. ) :) .. Oh Really !! Prove it to me ... [17:53] sure just let me imagebin it [17:53] k [17:53] What size screen do you have .. just outta interest ?? [17:54] http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=11553 [17:54] redtape-renegade: 1920x1080 [17:54] opening .. I meant in inches .. [17:54] * penguin42 hates to think why that matters - but 24" [17:55] np [17:57] * penguin42 disappears for a bit [17:57] .. I'm looking at your imgbin .. & I'm thinking .. I already knew that already .. The real question is the cost .. How much is the journey ? Not including roasted nuts .. ! [18:03] if i want to know what kind codec of a MP3 file has been using, what tool can be used here? [18:03] penguin42: .. great so it costs numerous MaverickMeerkats , as I understand [18:04] askubuntu. [18:13] £43.50 .. Why did that take 20 minutes ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/%C2%A343.50%20GBP%20Limestreet%20to%20Plymouth.png [18:29] AlanBell: What was the ratemyrack website you were using? (I think it was you anyway) [18:37] * redtape-renegade gets to go and get the mailbox today .. Bedington be gone ! [18:41] Great another thrilling installment of Hawker's Bazaar http://goo.gl/py5hd .. Who put me on their damn mailing list ? [18:43] shauno: A friend of yours ?? http://askubuntu.com/users/14325/shauna [19:02] redtape-renegade: nothing to do with me :) [19:04] they're a whole lot more active than I am :/ [19:07] Any translators out there working on Ubuntu or it's Manuals ?? Someone just tweeted me to ask why there is no American Indian translation of " Ubuntu in Cree " , with this Web-Reference http://apihtawikosisan.com/2013/02/08/idle-no-more-some-ideas-for-cree-language-revitalisation-resource-focus/ [19:08] * redtape-renegade is not sure how to tweet/respond ?? [19:13] are they volunteering? [19:13] the only barrier to any translation is "just" willing & able volunteers with sufficient fluency [19:21] shauno: Where do I send them for example ? lauchpad, Ubuntu wiki, www.getlocalization.com .. Where, where ? [19:23] I'd assume https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam since there's not already a Cree team [19:28] there's also https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators which would be better placed to answer questions === RaycisCharles is now known as GentileBen [19:45] Ok tweeted the 2nd one shauno thanx ... Meanwhile in Cree-Land ... [19:45] http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6a7d7e8541/bane-causes-the-superbowl-blackout?utm_campaign=newsletter20130207&utm_content=fv2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=fd [19:46] "blocked plugin" ;) [19:52] k n.probs .. just doing the emails for 3 days here .. Always get great questions/concerns for Ubuntu .. My first is '3D' as in ... [19:52] http://www.svp.co.uk/product.php?product=KM100 Can this be set up as a £60 webcam ? [21:23] AlanBell: Are you still getting those adverts for loose women .. Here's what's messaging me today ... but can she code ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/eharmony%20conclusion%20%3D%20Wish%20I%20was%20in%20New%20York%20for%20St%20Patricks%20day.png [21:23] mature women is what I get, you might get the loose ones :) [21:25] AlanBell: HaHa ! .. mature women are loose aren't they (?) .. unless they've the craic of a nun ! [21:26] nice family friendly convo 8D [21:31] ʘ‿ಠ [21:31] Evening all! [21:31] daftykins: Aloha ! (from the Volcanic Island of Mannin) .. Yes, it was a post from over a week ago .. bit weak of my behalf .. how's the new house going ?? [21:31] evening popey'ness [21:32] redtape-renegade: not bad ty, bought a few more little odds and ends tonight. may consider moving in a proper come Thursday when my mattress + sofa gets delivered \o/ [21:32] popey: allo o/ [21:32] popey .. how's Ubuntu User Day going ?? [21:33] no idea [21:33] :( [21:34] thought, that's what all the LUG thing was attached to .. [21:34] nope [21:34] Ubuntu User Day .. Does it exist ? [21:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays yes [21:36] looks like AlanBell is involved [21:36] AlanBell: apparently your guilty ? [21:39] * AlanBell is doing a session now [21:39] 21:00 [21:39] [21:39] Accessibility Applications [21:39] [21:39] AlanBell Agreed .. what #channel ? [21:40] #ubuntu-classroom [21:40] cool. [21:51] I just had a reasonably hilarious argument with someone insisting that the fan belt on their computer was broken, and asking me to fix it. [21:51] they were quite adamant that it was most definitely the fan belt. [21:51] xD [21:52] Azelphur: OK ok [21:53] Azelphur: So, you asked them if they'd tried cleaning the spark plugs? [21:53] pretty much, I told her that computers don't have fan belts [21:53] then I said "It's not a car, it doesn't have a fan belt" [21:53] xD [21:54] Azelphur: https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5494186793315464977/5494187481146565682 is about as close as I've seen [21:54] xD [21:54] that thing looks older than I am [21:55] how old are you? [21:55] 22 [21:55] yep [21:55] xD [21:55] :O [21:55] you can have a laugh with the belt on optical drives [21:55] hehe [21:55] Azelphur: built about 80-81 [21:55] 9-10 years before I was born then ;) [21:56] ehehe [21:56] i'm 28 in a few days :< [21:56] she tried telling me that if I broke it I'd have to pay for it too, that's when we got to the big ol "NOPE" [21:56] Azelphur: 27MB 14" hard drive on an ICL Perq; 1MB RAM, ran Unix [21:56] how was this humorous acquaintance established then, Azelphur ? [21:57] :D [21:57] daftykins: local club I go to xD [21:57] ah [21:58] Azelphur: I was given that machine when I was at Uni, it didn't boot when we got it home (and two of us lifted it up the stairs) the belt was off (and the lock screw was in) [21:58] hehe [21:58] XD [21:59] i was quite interested at a practical example of HDD data recovery recently [21:59] ? [21:59] a friend brought me an old laptop HDD of his, new enough to be SATA mind you [21:59] penguin42: what is that belt even for? a hard drive platter or possibly a tape? [21:59] it streamed errors and wouldn't let a liveUSB boot, Windows equally bricked it trying to talk to it [21:59] Azelphur: To spin the platters [21:59] ah for the hard drive, yea [22:00] he sent it off and a co. replaced a head on the drive, managing to pull the data off after :O [22:00] he got charged around £350 to get the data, but it was important travel photos so he wanted them [22:00] daftykins: I have a USB hub that makes the PC turn off when I plug it in [22:00] it's like the death hub of doom. [22:00] :D [22:00] we all know about you and USB gear ;) [22:00] hehe i jest [22:01] ali1234: ^ speaking of that, that was my main USB hub I've been using for the past few years, I pulled it out and plugged it into my HTPC and it does that [22:01] so yea, maybe it was dodgy xD [22:01] I got a nice USB 3 hub now though [22:01] ooh fancy [22:02] ok i've decided that tonight is my last night of leaving my IRC client running, ahead of my house move [22:02] i've no idea how long it's going to be between now and having a net conn up and running in my new place, a few stages of confusion to go through between now and then [22:03] where you moving to? [22:03] still Guernsey, but i've just bought a place on the capital [22:03] *in [22:03] so i won't even have to ride home post-pub any longer ^_^ [22:04] Azelphur: The drive was apparently a Shugart SA4000, 24MB, 87ms average access time, 7Mbit/s [22:04] penguin42: haha ouch [22:04] though i may have to fight off anyone who equally cba to go home :> [22:04] who try and scrounge a bed for the night :) [22:05] Azelphur: If it makes you feel any better some of the guys I work with at the moment have been working with computers since I was born [22:05] my ol' College still has one of the old 5MB IBM beasts that's the size of two electric sewing machines side by side :O big clear plastic cover to it [22:08] penguin42: do you ever have to drag them kicking and screaming into even the 20th century? ;) [22:08] * penguin42 reads the manual for the hard drive 'After application of DC power, a 1.25 minute internally generated delay to ready is introduced' [22:09] XD [22:09] daftykins: Haha sometimes, it's a bit hard [22:09] what's even the interface on that thing? [22:10] daftykins: I suspect the interface is what became ST506 for MFM/RLL drives [22:10] hooray for fence post errors [22:10] daftykins: It's very simple; it's not that far off a floppy interface [22:10] :D [22:10] daftykins: with a 'step' input to cause the drive head to step [22:11] disk read tool has options "start cylinder" and "end cylinder" and if you set then equal it does nothing, but if end is start +1 it reads two cylinders [22:11] wowzer, to think the amount of stuff that has already become defunct in my time [22:12] daftykins: Oh yeh it's pretty scary [22:13] like when i was teaching i already felt that the kids were missing out from the lack of device mode setting for channel sharing of devices with PATA :) [22:13] stuff evolves, can be difficult to keep up with [22:13] they have it too easy with SATA :D [22:14] daftykins: I guess I got my 1st hard drive in I guess late 80's and that was still MFM format, so you still had to format the drive, but it was at least a sane 3.5" [22:17] penguin42: back then, did it keep a table in its' own firmware of bad sectors it found there and then? [22:17] no [22:17] daftykins: They were dumb drives, no firmware [22:18] lol firmware [22:18] [22:18] ah ok :> [22:18] i did nearly start with that as a question after i typed that one [22:18] bad blocks were stored at filesystem level for amigados [22:19] i'm guessing really early stuff didn't handle them at all [22:21] heh [22:21] ouch [22:21] ok i'm about to call it an early night [22:22] and with that i'm going to disappear, so i'm sure i'll return before a month is out [22:22] AlanBell: Good talk you gave on #ubuntu-classroom .. V. helpful t my American friend Jonathan Nadeau .. but I join half way through .. Where are the logs again Plz. ?? [22:22] take care all \o [22:22] night o/ [22:25] penguin42: hehe, I don't mind being young xD [22:25] traceroute 216.81.59.173 , results in some interesting results. :) [22:27] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/09/%23ubuntu-classroom.html redtape-renegade [22:27] thanx. [22:47] please tell me other browsers than firefox in ubuntu [22:47] chromium, === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles [22:48] and one more please [22:49] konquerer [22:49] thanks [22:50] jennie: epiphany also. [22:54] dillo! [22:54] lynx [22:54] elinks [22:55] w3m [23:02] telnet [23:07] emacs [23:07] (i assume) [23:19] CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ!NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGG [23:20] Cat? [23:20] Baby? [23:27] cat [23:32] i thought it was a violent allergic reaction to emacs [23:35] you can normally tell cats by the distance between the characters [23:35] although it's got to be said the ! is impressive, I guess that's one paw on shift