[00:14] <AlanBell> no, they don't get pressed
[00:15] <AlanBell> just download it and burn it (or put it on USB which is generally better)
[00:26] <Azelphur> AlanBell: ZoneMinder is seriously disappointing me :(
[00:26] <AlanBell> :(
[00:26] <Azelphur> last release august 2011, lacks basic features like...audio
[00:27] <AlanBell> yeah, it seems to be stuck on old style cctv with not much support for new toys
[00:27] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:28] <AlanBell> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/304 is more the kind of thing I want it to do
[00:28] <Azelphur> I wanted to do this too.
[00:29] <AlanBell> spot interesting things, follow them around and make videos with sound of interesting stuff
[00:30] <Azelphur> exactly
[00:31] <Azelphur> svn has been dead since last July, so yea.
[00:31] <AlanBell> also timelapse
[00:31] <Azelphur> I have been looking into doing it in python with opencv
[00:31] <Azelphur> I reckon opencv would give a significant amount of awesome features.
[00:31] <AlanBell> want to do scheduled snapshots in different directions and timelapse them
[00:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:33] <Azelphur> well, I'm having trouble audio grabbing in python atm, hopefully I'll get somewhere.
[00:33] <Azelphur> that face tracking example you linked, that's done in OpenCV.
[00:33] <Azelphur> so if I could get something similar to ZoneMinder (at least the basics) powered by OpenCV, it'd be a huge step in the right direction
[00:33] <AlanBell> yes, I think opencv is the way forward
[00:34] <AlanBell> there are different approaches to the area of cameras really
[00:34] <AlanBell> some people want a multi-camera serious security setup
[00:35] <AlanBell> others want a cool toy that does interesting things and also does security
[00:35] <Azelphur> there's no reason both can't be done really
[00:38] <AlanBell> I have two of the cameras now, the one at the front door is being useful, the other isn't really, I haven't decided where to mount it
[00:38] <Azelphur> I've got one atm :)
[00:38] <AlanBell> I might reflash the firmware on that one, I want to try and get a command prompt on it via ssh or telnet
[00:40] <AlanBell> I did some stuff with huggin to make panoramas which was interesting
[00:40] <AlanBell> and if you take a bunch of pictures and average them you can get rid of a lot of sensor noise
[00:41] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:41] <AlanBell> I also discovered something interesting about the noise, it appears to be related to a 16x8 pixel grid
[00:48] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/cleansnaplight.png if you zoom in on that you can see a grid pattern
[00:48] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/cleansnapdark.png
[00:48] <AlanBell> same for that one
[00:49] <AlanBell> those images are the result of merging about 500 frames and picking the lightest pixel from all the frames or the darkest pixel from all the frames
[00:49] <AlanBell> there is this sensor grid where the most noise happens that gets exposed by this, the most variable pixels form the dark and light grid
[00:50] <AlanBell> I expect that kind of thing could be used in video image forensics as it is a bit of a signature of the camera and would probably show up tampering
[00:51] <Azelphur> fun
[00:52] <ali1234> fun story
[00:52] <ali1234> once i was messing around on mturk
[00:52] <ali1234> and i found a job asking for pictures "of anything"
[00:52] <ali1234> turns out they wanted jpegs from as many cameras as possible so they could analyse the compression artifacts for forensics
[00:53] <ali1234> they paid me like $5 for taking 3 pictures on each of my many cameras and phones
[00:53] <ali1234> that's the best paying job i ever saw on there by far
[00:54] <AlanBell> cool
[00:56] <ali1234> opencv is good but the API is pretty bad
[00:56] <ali1234> it uses many pointers
[00:56] <ali1234> even the python version is just like using C
[00:56] <ali1234> you can do simple motion detect using numpy and scipy which are much nicer to use
[00:56]  * AlanBell dislikes pointers
[00:57] <ali1234> but that's going to be too limited if yu want to do face detect
[00:58] <ali1234> AlanBell: i don't know why you dislike pointers so much
[00:58] <ali1234> you should learn assembler, then you will love pointers
[00:59] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Oh, I didn't know that they didn't get pressed.. thanx .. A word of Warning.. Never go to the shop after midnight !! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Kubuntu%20Pens.png
[00:59] <AlanBell> pointers let you hurt yourself
[00:59] <ali1234> get an arduino and program it to do "hello world" in assembler
[00:59] <AlanBell> that is a lot of pens redtape-renegade
[01:00] <redtape-renegade> yep .. how long to canonical usu. take to deliver ?
[01:00] <AlanBell> dunno
[01:00] <AlanBell> the americans complain about delivery costs and times
[01:00] <ali1234> isle of man is now known as pen island
[01:00] <redtape-renegade> but, Do They Deliver ?
[01:02] <AlanBell> I have had tshirts from the store fairly quickly
[01:02] <AlanBell> night all o/
[01:04] <redtape-renegade>  nightology ...
[03:23] <p-rad> Recently installed ubuntu 12.04, having some issues with updates and speed. New to linux. Can someone help?
[07:59] <redtape-renegade> daftykins, Finally installed X-Chat,     ... now we're suckin' diesel !!
[08:00] <redtape-renegade> Sorry where R my manners .. Morning All !
[08:33] <kanturk> redtape-renegade, Morning...
[08:33] <kanturk> Morning All !
[09:13] <redtape-renegade> I quite Agree . There are definate advantages to saving to a PNG picture rather than a PDF :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Lubuntu%20desktop%20Feb%2713%20screenshot%20LOGO.png
[09:46] <popey> morning all
[09:58] <AlanBell> morning
[10:08] <Klettbar> morning
[10:08] <Klettbar> good?
[10:14] <Laney> moo
[10:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[11:14] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[11:20]  * MartijnVdS has new walking shoes
[11:24] <brobostigon> :)
[11:30] <mungbean> whats the best mp3 tagging software nowadays?
[11:30] <mungbean> had some problems with musicbrainz a while back
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: picard uses musicbrainz, I use it for everything
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> if it's not on MB, I add it
[11:31] <mungbean> works ok ?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> works great
[11:31] <mungbean> i thought something changed/broke
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> yeah they changed their API
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> but they also release a new version of picard.. so it works again/still
[11:31] <mungbean> but works OOTB on 12.04 still?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> 12.04.. that's a good one
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> No idea! :)
[11:45] <brobostigon> jane silber on bbc click.
[12:23]  * penguin42 yawns
[13:13] <popey> mungbean: what release was it that hte installer crapped out for you on, was it 12.04 or 12.10?
[13:13] <popey> if I recall it was when you enabled encryption
[13:33] <popey> mungbean: did the machine have windows on it too?
[13:45] <mungbean> popey: it was a kvm server provided by a hosting provider
[13:45] <mungbean> my colleague never got to the bottom of it
[13:46] <mungbean> but when he got onto 3.5 kernel it didn't repeat anymore
[13:47] <mungbean> seems hard to failt find cos it was a hosting provider's machine
[13:47] <penguin42> popey: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511121/this-robotic-fur-patch-is-cooler-than-your-cat/
[13:47] <mungbean> correct, it was when luks/encryption done during install time on the cli installer
[13:55] <popey> ah, luks
[13:55] <popey> this is the home directory one
[13:55] <popey> turns out it was the windows migration assistant, disabling that worked around the issue
[14:20] <penguin42> popey: Is it actually an install fest  or more generic meeting?
[14:23] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Dunno but As Far As your Link above, the video doesn't play in my chromium ... perhaps we all just realizing it's not Caturday, today ; including my web-browser. :)
[14:23] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: :-(   Hmm playing on my ff here
[14:24] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Hmm playing in chromium 24.0.1312.56 (Ubuntu 13.04) here
[14:26] <redtape-renegade> penguin42:  mmm, Ok .. 'bit Odd that !  Is today an 'Odd' day ? .. Oh yes, it is ...
[14:29] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Which days aren't odd?
[14:33] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th .. kinda goes on till 32nd of December, which is my birthday !!
[14:34] <penguin42> I like the 32nd, so relaxing
[14:38] <mungbean> have you all watched tpb afk film yet?
[14:38]  * penguin42 wonders what Mx is as a prenominal
[14:40] <redtape-renegade> Anyway enough of Aberrant-ness .. it plays in firefox now, so we're all Ok there, thenm :)
[14:40] <popey> penguin42: generic lug meeting
[14:40] <popey> just gave a talk about popey.com/house
[14:40] <redtape-renegade> AGLUG ? popey, is that true ?
[14:40] <penguin42> popey: Nice
[14:41] <redtape-renegade> popey, You had a GLUG ?
[14:41] <popey> I'm at a LUG meet..
[14:42] <redtape-renegade> AAhh but you said G.L.U.G meeting  6 lines ago .. Does everyone know the difference ?
[14:52] <popey> i didnt
[14:53] <popey> I said generic because penguin42 asked what type it was, whether it was an install fest or a generic lug meet
[14:54] <redtape-renegade> popey:    Careful now ! You are close to " Minas Ithil "or the "One that Sees from Afar" stone .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantír .. Not All the G.L.U.G.'s have been found !! G.L.U.G. if you 'didn't' know is a Gnu./Linux User Group ..
[14:55] <popey> the LUGs near me are LUGs, not GLUGs
[14:57] <popey> someone from the FSF tried to rebrand LUGs to GLUGs and failed
[14:59] <penguin42> popey: Well just have a talk about Android one day and nail it
[15:00]  * redtape-renegade thnks popey is on the Nazgûl side as he is against the Gnu .L.U.G. -stones.
[15:01] <popey> I certainly am against rebranding LUGs for the sake for keeping one guy from the FSF happy, yes.
[15:02] <popey> google for uk glug - > find a zillion useless results
[15:02] <popey> google for uk lug -> find lots of useful results
[15:06] <penguin42> nod
[15:07]  * redtape-renegade google P.L.U.G. and gets this result by mistake :::: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
[15:41] <redtape-renegade> Funny .. the plugincheck-er doesn't always work thou.   :::: https://support.cdn.mozilla.net/media/uploads/images/2013-02-06-07-46-02-3afbd9.png
[17:01] <redtape-renegade> Crumbs he wasn't lying !! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/RedHat%20Lug%20%5Bpopey%5D.png
[17:03] <penguin42> well he normally doesn't
[17:07] <redtape-renegade> judgebot: !popey
[17:12] <redtape-renegade> This is ludicrous !! Why wasn't this advertised to me last week ? It' on lt costs £29 to get to the UcK :: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[17:13] <redtape-renegade> ***it only costs £29 return to get to the UK ...
[17:16] <penguin42> from where?
[17:17] <redtape-renegade> I spent more than that on Ubuntu 17 hours ago .. !!  http://goo.gl/eECE1  daftykins : They are doing it again .
[17:24] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Thouglas
[17:25] <redtape-renegade> AKA Douglas IM14LE
[17:25] <penguin42> oh not that far away
[17:26] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Where does the £29 get you to?
[17:26] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, If you can get past the Thoug's
[17:27] <redtape-renegade> Well it's £30 to Sellafield is the old expression  .. would you like me to explain ?
[17:27] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Ah, so yeh, probably cost you more to get from there to London
[17:28] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: You use the wrong wiki's .. hang-on
[17:30] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: wiki.org/en/M6_(GB)
[17:30] <redtape-renegade> oops...
[17:31] <redtape-renegade> www.hitchwiki.org/en/M6_(GB)
[17:32] <penguin42> hahah hitchhiking the M6...heck
[17:32] <redtape-renegade> there was a TED talk on it .. v. useful
[17:33]  * penguin42 generally prefers the Train, but it's a bit pricey
[17:34] <redtape-renegade> trainline ᗕ---- .. do you use it often ??
[17:34] <penguin42> yeh, but it's no cheaper than anywhere else and it just seems to have the same prebook discounts
[17:37] <redtape-renegade> So, tell me penguin42 , If I want to get to Plymouth via Liverpool using Trainline ( the rightway) .. How much would it cost and can you give me a screen-selection-shot (App.shutter) of the result   ?? .. So I can plan an excursion this summer !
[17:37] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: To be honest I'd use transportdirect.info
[17:38] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: And when you say via, is that where your starting from?
[17:38] <redtape-renegade> opening  ... www.transportdirect.info (Start Liverpool)
[17:40]  * redtape-renegade is still annoyed he never was informed about the Ubuntu User days . poobuntu.
[17:45] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Am I an idiot or does www.transportdirect.info not work for me ? Can you help, as you advocated it , Plz ??
[17:48] <penguin42> sure
[17:49] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: OK, so it's appeared for me, what problem are you having with it? (I'm using firefox)
[17:49] <penguin42> also seems to work in chrome, so in that case I guess I have to say.....
[17:50] <redtape-renegade> Just try and plan a train journey from Liverpool Limestreet to Plymoyuth Main station (both train station !) .. see if you can get anywhere 'cos I still stuck in Bedington !
[17:50] <redtape-renegade> **I'm still stuck..
[17:50] <penguin42> ok, what date did you tell it?
[17:51] <redtape-renegade> 2 months from today.
[17:51] <penguin42> what time?
[17:51] <redtape-renegade> (Apr). Tiome .. 08:55 UTC
[17:51] <penguin42> and wth is Bedington....
[17:52] <penguin42> done it for me
[17:52] <redtape-renegade> (I'm in bed atymo. ) :)  .. Oh Really !! Prove it to me ...
[17:53] <penguin42> sure just let me imagebin it
[17:53] <redtape-renegade> k
[17:53] <redtape-renegade> What size screen do you have .. just outta interest ??
[17:54] <penguin42> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=11553
[17:54] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: 1920x1080
[17:54] <redtape-renegade> opening ..  I meant in inches ..
[17:54]  * penguin42 hates to think why that matters - but 24"
[17:55] <redtape-renegade> np
[17:57]  * penguin42 disappears for a bit
[17:57] <redtape-renegade>  .. I'm looking at your imgbin .. & I'm thinking .. I already knew that already .. The real question is the cost .. How much is the journey ? Not including roasted nuts .. !
[18:03] <cocoa117> if i want to know what kind codec of a MP3 file has been using, what tool can be used here?
[18:03] <redtape-renegade> penguin42:  .. great so it costs numerous MaverickMeerkats , as I understand
[18:04] <redtape-renegade> askubuntu.
[18:13] <redtape-renegade> £43.50 .. Why did that take 20 minutes ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/%C2%A343.50%20GBP%20Limestreet%20to%20Plymouth.png
[18:29] <DJones> AlanBell: What was the ratemyrack website you were using? (I think it was you anyway)
[18:37]  * redtape-renegade gets to go and get the mailbox today .. Bedington be gone !
[18:41] <redtape-renegade> Great another thrilling installment of Hawker's Bazaar http://goo.gl/py5hd  .. Who put me on their damn mailing list ?
[18:43] <redtape-renegade> shauno: A friend of yours ?? http://askubuntu.com/users/14325/shauna
[19:02] <shauno> redtape-renegade: nothing to do with me :)
[19:04] <shauno> they're a whole lot more active than I am :/
[19:07] <redtape-renegade> Any translators out there working on Ubuntu or it's Manuals ?? Someone just tweeted me to ask why there is no American Indian translation of " Ubuntu in Cree  " , with this Web-Reference http://apihtawikosisan.com/2013/02/08/idle-no-more-some-ideas-for-cree-language-revitalisation-resource-focus/
[19:08]  * redtape-renegade is not sure how to tweet/respond  ??
[19:13] <shauno> are they volunteering?
[19:13] <shauno> the only barrier to any translation is "just" willing & able volunteers with sufficient fluency
[19:21] <redtape-renegade> shauno: Where do I send them for example ? lauchpad, Ubuntu wiki, www.getlocalization.com .. Where, where ?
[19:23] <shauno> I'd assume https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam  since there's not already a Cree team
[19:28] <shauno> there's also https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators  which would be better placed to answer questions
[19:45] <redtape-renegade> Ok tweeted the 2nd one shauno thanx     ... Meanwhile in Cree-Land ...
[19:45] <redtape-renegade> http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6a7d7e8541/bane-causes-the-superbowl-blackout?utm_campaign=newsletter20130207&utm_content=fv2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=fd
[19:46] <shauno> "blocked plugin"  ;)
[19:52] <redtape-renegade> k n.probs .. just doing the emails for 3 days here .. Always get great questions/concerns for Ubuntu .. My first is '3D' as in ...
[19:52] <redtape-renegade> http://www.svp.co.uk/product.php?product=KM100  Can this be set up as a £60 webcam ?
[21:23] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Are you still getting those adverts for loose women .. Here's what's messaging me today  ... but can she code ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/eharmony%20conclusion%20%3D%20Wish%20I%20was%20in%20New%20York%20for%20St%20Patricks%20day.png
[21:23] <AlanBell> mature women is what I get, you might get the loose ones :)
[21:25] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: HaHa ! ..  mature women are loose aren't they  (?) .. unless they've the craic of a nun !
[21:26] <daftykins> nice family friendly convo 8D
[21:31] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[21:31] <popey> Evening all!
[21:31] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: Aloha ! (from the Volcanic Island of Mannin)  .. Yes, it was a post from over a week ago .. bit weak of my behalf .. how's the new house going ??
[21:31] <brobostigon> evening popey'ness
[21:32] <daftykins> redtape-renegade: not bad ty, bought a few more little odds and ends tonight. may consider moving in a proper come Thursday when my mattress + sofa gets delivered \o/
[21:32] <daftykins> popey: allo o/
[21:32] <redtape-renegade> popey .. how's Ubuntu User Day going ??
[21:33] <popey> no idea
[21:33] <redtape-renegade> :(
[21:34] <redtape-renegade> thought, that's what all the LUG thing was attached to ..
[21:34] <popey> nope
[21:34] <redtape-renegade> Ubuntu User Day .. Does it exist ?
[21:35] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays yes
[21:36] <popey> looks like AlanBell is involved
[21:36] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: apparently your guilty ?
[21:39]  * AlanBell is doing a session now
[21:39] <redtape-renegade>  21:00
[21:39] <redtape-renegade> 	
[21:39] <redtape-renegade> Accessibility Applications
[21:39] <redtape-renegade> 	
[21:39] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell  Agreed .. what #channel ?
[21:40] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-classroom
[21:40] <redtape-renegade> cool.
[21:51] <Azelphur> I just had a reasonably hilarious argument with someone insisting that the fan belt on their computer was broken, and asking me to fix it.
[21:51] <Azelphur> they were quite adamant that it was most definitely the fan belt.
[21:51] <Azelphur> xD
[21:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: OK ok
[21:53] <penguin42> Azelphur: So, you asked them if they'd tried cleaning the spark plugs?
[21:53] <Azelphur> pretty much, I told her that computers don't have fan belts
[21:53] <Azelphur> then I said "It's not a car, it doesn't have a fan belt"
[21:53] <Azelphur> xD
[21:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5494186793315464977/5494187481146565682     is about as close as I've seen
[21:54] <Azelphur> xD
[21:54] <Azelphur> that thing looks older than I am
[21:55] <penguin42> how old are you?
[21:55] <Azelphur> 22
[21:55] <penguin42> yep
[21:55] <Azelphur> xD
[21:55] <daftykins> :O
[21:55] <daftykins> you can have a laugh with the belt on optical drives
[21:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:55] <penguin42> Azelphur: built about 80-81
[21:55] <Azelphur> 9-10 years before I was born then ;)
[21:56] <daftykins> ehehe
[21:56] <daftykins> i'm 28 in a few days :<
[21:56] <Azelphur> she tried telling me that if I broke it I'd have to pay for it too, that's when we got to the big ol "NOPE"
[21:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: 27MB 14" hard drive on an ICL Perq; 1MB RAM, ran Unix
[21:56] <daftykins> how was this humorous acquaintance established then, Azelphur ?
[21:57] <Azelphur> :D
[21:57] <Azelphur> daftykins: local club I go to xD
[21:57] <daftykins> ah
[21:58] <penguin42> Azelphur: I was given that machine when I was at Uni, it didn't boot when we got it home (and two of us lifted it up the stairs) the belt was off (and the lock screw was in)
[21:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:58] <daftykins> XD
[21:59] <daftykins> i was quite interested at a practical example of HDD data recovery recently
[21:59] <penguin42> ?
[21:59] <daftykins> a friend brought me an old laptop HDD of his, new enough to be SATA mind you
[21:59] <Azelphur> penguin42: what is that belt even for? a hard drive platter or possibly a tape?
[21:59] <daftykins> it streamed errors and wouldn't let a liveUSB boot, Windows equally bricked it trying to talk to it
[21:59] <penguin42> Azelphur: To spin the platters
[21:59] <Azelphur> ah for the hard drive, yea
[22:00] <daftykins> he sent it off and a co. replaced a head on the drive, managing to pull the data off after :O
[22:00] <daftykins> he got charged around £350 to get the data, but it was important travel photos so he wanted them
[22:00] <Azelphur> daftykins: I have a USB hub that makes the PC turn off when I plug it in
[22:00] <Azelphur> it's like the death hub of doom.
[22:00] <daftykins> :D
[22:00] <daftykins> we all know about you and USB gear ;)
[22:00] <daftykins> hehe i jest
[22:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: ^ speaking of that, that was my main USB hub I've been using for the past few years, I pulled it out and plugged it into my HTPC and it does that
[22:01] <Azelphur> so yea, maybe it was dodgy xD
[22:01] <Azelphur> I got a nice USB 3 hub now though
[22:01] <daftykins> ooh fancy
[22:02] <daftykins> ok i've decided that tonight is my last night of leaving my IRC client running, ahead of my house move
[22:02] <daftykins> i've no idea how long it's going to be between now and having a net conn up and running in my new place, a few stages of confusion to go through between now and then
[22:03] <popey> where you moving to?
[22:03] <daftykins> still Guernsey, but i've just bought a place on the capital
[22:03] <daftykins> *in
[22:03] <daftykins> so i won't even have to ride home post-pub any longer ^_^
[22:04] <penguin42> Azelphur: The drive was apparently a Shugart SA4000, 24MB, 87ms average access time, 7Mbit/s
[22:04] <Azelphur> penguin42: haha ouch
[22:04] <daftykins> though i may have to fight off anyone who equally cba to go home :>
[22:04] <daftykins> who try and scrounge a bed for the night :)
[22:05] <penguin42> Azelphur: If it makes you feel any better some of the guys I work with at the moment have been working with computers since I was born
[22:05] <daftykins> my ol' College still has one of the old 5MB IBM beasts that's the size of two electric sewing machines side by side :O big clear plastic cover to it
[22:08] <daftykins> penguin42: do you ever have to drag them kicking and screaming into even the 20th century? ;)
[22:08]  * penguin42 reads the manual for the hard drive 'After application of DC power, a 1.25 minute internally generated delay to ready is introduced'
[22:09] <daftykins> XD
[22:09] <penguin42> daftykins: Haha sometimes, it's a bit hard
[22:09] <daftykins> what's even the interface on that thing?
[22:10] <penguin42> daftykins: I suspect the interface is what became ST506 for MFM/RLL drives
[22:10] <ali1234> hooray for fence post errors
[22:10] <penguin42> daftykins: It's very simple; it's not that far off a floppy interface
[22:10] <daftykins> :D
[22:10] <penguin42> daftykins: with a 'step' input to cause the drive head to step
[22:11] <ali1234> disk read tool has options "start cylinder" and "end cylinder" and if you set then equal it does nothing, but if end is start +1 it reads two cylinders
[22:11] <daftykins> wowzer, to think the amount of stuff that has already become defunct in my time
[22:12] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh yeh it's pretty scary
[22:13] <daftykins> like when i was teaching i already felt that the kids were missing out from the lack of device mode setting for channel sharing of devices with PATA :)
[22:13] <penguin42> stuff evolves, can be difficult to keep up with
[22:13] <daftykins> they have it too easy with SATA :D
[22:14] <penguin42> daftykins: I guess I got my 1st hard drive in I guess late 80's and that was still MFM format, so you still had to format the drive, but it was at least a sane 3.5"
[22:17] <daftykins> penguin42: back then, did it keep a table in its' own firmware of bad sectors it found there and then?
[22:17] <penguin42> no
[22:17] <penguin42> daftykins: They were dumb drives, no firmware
[22:18] <ali1234> lol firmware
[22:18] <penguin42> <disappears for about 90mins>
[22:18] <daftykins> ah ok :>
[22:18] <daftykins> i did nearly start with that as a question after i typed that one
[22:18] <ali1234> bad blocks were stored at filesystem level for amigados
[22:19] <ali1234> i'm guessing really early stuff didn't handle them at all
[22:21] <daftykins> heh
[22:21] <daftykins> ouch
[22:21] <daftykins> ok i'm about to call it an early night
[22:22] <daftykins> and with that i'm going to disappear, so i'm sure i'll return before a month is out
[22:22] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Good talk you gave on #ubuntu-classroom .. V. helpful t my American friend Jonathan Nadeau .. but I join half way through .. Where are the logs again Plz. ??
[22:22] <daftykins> take care all \o
[22:22] <redtape-renegade> night o/
[22:25] <Azelphur> penguin42: hehe, I don't mind being young xD
[22:25] <brobostigon> traceroute 216.81.59.173  , results in some interesting results. :)
[22:27] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/09/%23ubuntu-classroom.html redtape-renegade
[22:27] <redtape-renegade> thanx.
[22:47] <jennie> please tell me other browsers than firefox in ubuntu
[22:47] <brobostigon> chromium,
[22:48] <jennie> and one more please
[22:49] <brobostigon> konquerer
[22:49] <jennie> thanks
[22:50] <brobostigon> jennie: epiphany also.
[22:54] <directhex> dillo!
[22:54] <brobostigon> lynx
[22:54] <brobostigon> elinks
[22:55] <directhex> w3m
[23:02] <Laney> telnet
[23:07] <popey> emacs
[23:07] <popey> (i assume)
[23:19] <directhex> CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ!NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGG
[23:20] <bigcalm> Cat?
[23:20] <bigcalm> Baby?
[23:27] <directhex> cat
[23:32] <ali1234> i thought it was a violent allergic reaction to emacs
[23:35] <penguin42> you can normally tell cats by the distance between the characters
[23:35] <penguin42> although it's got to be said the ! is impressive, I guess that's one paw on shift