[00:00] by dependencies... [00:00] are you referring to stuff that when I install it, it will install additional things automatically? [00:00] so if I remove xfce-desktop, those additional downloads would remain on my computer? [00:01] BillyZane: I think synaptic is easier to use when I want more info about a package and dependencies before I install it. [00:01] i just want a cool theme is all [00:02] what would i get in xfce-desktop that i wouldn't get from xfce4 ? [00:02] xubuntu-desktop [00:02] oh yeah [00:02] BillyZane: yes, normally dependencies are not uninstalled when the package that drag them in is uninstalled. but there are ways to uninstall all such "un-needed" packages. [00:03] what ways are those? [00:03] is there a listing somewhere of dependencies that are installed [00:04] thus, manually typing in the remove command for each package [00:04] BillyZane, you'll get a list of packages that will be installed [00:05] xubuntu-desktop is a pure meta package, so removing it actually removes nothing [00:05] :o [00:05] everything that is installed when you install that is a dependency [00:05] BillyZane: in synaptic: status>auto removable or apt-get autoremove [00:05] ohh [00:05] so i could say... sudo apt-get autoremove xubuntu-desktop [00:06] and it would remove all the dependencies? [00:07] BillyZane: no, you "apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop" first, then "apt-get autoremove" to remove all its dependencies (that are not dependecies of something else) [00:07] i see, so all dependencies would be removed. [00:07] BillyZane: (maybe apt-get can take remove and autoremove at the same time. have not tried that) [00:08] what exactly is a dependency? are they simply background applications? do they include applications? [00:09] BillyZane: yes, all depenencies that are un-needed (if some of the packages are dependencies by still installed other packages they will not be removed) [00:10] BillyZane: example. if a program is written in python, then the python interpreter would be a dependency. all programs with gui will have dependencies with X11 libraries. etc. [00:11] oooo [00:11] well that makes sense [00:11] they really are dependent [00:12] BillyZane: some programs have weaker kinds of dependencies (called "suggested" and "recommended"), it could e.g. be spell-check-plugins for a word-processor and things like that. [00:12] i'll install it [00:12] applications are rarely dependencies... except in the case of pure metapackages like xubuntu-desktop :) [00:13] is there anyway I can install that Greybird, IIRC theme without installing xfce-desktop? [00:14] also, suppose I don't like it. How do i get back to "Default" [00:14] ...xubuntu-desktop [00:14] synaptic did list the packages that would be installed [00:15] ok, i'm installing :) [00:16] i'm so neo right now [00:16] you know what annoys me? [00:17] the fact that ubuntu brought linux to the masses of idiots, like myself [00:17] you know what i think about that? [00:17] there's no l33tness to using unix anymore [00:17] what's that [00:17] everybody needs to start somewhere, and it's good that there's an os that makes the first step easier for inexperienced users [00:18] it really did help [00:19] but it's not suppose to be easy. it's suppose to be mysterious and something to brag about [00:19] i remember growing up, i knew 1 person who used a *nix system === emma_ is now known as em [00:19] and that was it. no one else was hardcore enough. and you know what, it did give a person some credit [00:20] well it's installed [00:20] now what? [00:20] should i log out? [00:20] do i need to log out? [00:21] i'm in xfce4 at the moment [00:21] you need to log out and log in (remember to select the "xubuntu" session) [00:21] BillyZane: if you'r logged into gnome and want to run xfce instead, yes you need to log out. [00:21] ooo ok [00:21] am i on gnome right now? [00:21] n/m [00:22] i'll log out and back in [00:22] BillyZane: I dont know, what sesssion did you select last time you logged in? [00:22] xfce4 [00:22] err.. i think.. xfce [00:22] again remember that xfce != xubuntu [00:23] there is the "xfce" session and the "xubuntu" session [00:23] they are different [00:27] brb [00:28] ok i'm back [00:29] umm [00:32] well [00:32] I found greybird [00:32] but how do I change the icons on the bottom to look like the ones on the website? is that IIRC? [00:34] BillyZane, do you mean the actual icon art looks different? [00:34] yeah [00:34] try setting "elementary-xfce-dark" as the icon theme [00:35] http://www.xfce.org/ [00:35] notice how the top has this slick black bar [00:35] aha, right [00:35] and the bottom, the icons don't look like windows 95 [00:35] you are referring to the xfce website. [00:35] yeah [00:35] that icon theme is called faenza [00:35] oooooo.. sooo sexy [00:36] what about the title bar [00:36] err.. the bar on top [00:36] that looks hard [00:36] what about that? [00:37] if you want to make the top panel look like the xfce website, go edit the panel preferences [00:37] (right-click the panel, and go to panel -> panel preferences) [00:42] Hey guys, using Xubu 12.10 on a laptop here - sometimes X doesn't start, it seems to be random, is there a log somewhere I can check to see if something is failing on startup? [00:43] knome, I'm there, but there aren't any themes available. I can change the color of the panel though [00:43] do you have an ssd hard disk? [00:43] his question seems more important [00:43] HDD for me [00:43] BillyZane, i'm not sure if i follow. what's in the panel that's so different than in the xubuntu panel? [00:44] well, the one i really wanted to change was the bottom one. is it simply a transparency? You said it was the faenza icon theme right? [00:44] ToeTag, right, then it's not a known bug that it might have been. i'd look in /var/log [00:45] BillyZane, yep, the bottom one has 100% transparency. and yes, the icon theme is faenza [00:45] okay, thanks knome. I'm really LOVING 12.10 on this laptop other than that little intermittand hangup [00:45] i can't see any theme settings for the panel. i haven't restarted my computer by the way. not sure if that matters. i have logged out and in to xsession [00:46] BillyZane, there aren't any theme settings for the panel only. you need to change the icon set for your whole system [00:46] how do i do that? [00:46] ToeTag, thanks, that's good to hear. good look finding the issue! [00:46] BillyZane, in settings manager, choose appearance and look at the icons tab [00:46] knome: i'm 12.10 too :D [00:47] me too [00:52] knome: changing icon themes don't do anything, also, faenza isn't listed [00:53] BillyZane, you probably need to install faenza [00:59] hmm [00:59] i tried installing it by adding to my repository [00:59] errr.. i added equinox [00:59] then i tried sudo apt-get install faenza-icon-theme [01:00] i don't think that will work [01:00] if that package doesn't exist, it won't [01:00] faenza doesn't seem to be available in the repositories [01:01] try downloading from https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce [01:02] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce/archive/v.0.2.1.tar.gz [01:03] ok... [01:03] umm... i think the command is... get... [01:03] get https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce/archive/v.0.2.1.tar.gz [01:03] right? [01:03] or something [01:03] wget if you want to download from the command line [01:03] or paste to the browser [01:03] i don't know how to install from a tar file [01:03] i'm so n00b it hurts [01:04] i'd like to know the commands.... it's wget URL [01:04] tell me once you've downloaded and i'll guide you through [01:04] then, i would type... gtar ? [01:04] sweet! [01:04] downloaded [01:04] i'd suggest using the GUI for this [01:05] open thunar where you downloaded the file [01:05] i suppose it's better to use gui [01:05] but i need to learn [01:05] this is something i don't know yet [01:05] eventually you'll learn if you need to [01:05] aww :( [01:05] but it's not a requirement to know everything in command line [01:06] .tar.gz is simply an archive, like a .zip file [01:06] true [01:06] in thunar, right-click the file and select extract here [01:06] you should get a directory with the same name as the archive [01:07] once you have that, simply copy it to ~/.themes and it should appear in the appearance dialog [01:07] ok i extracted it [01:10] where's .themes [01:11] ~/.themes means /home/yourusername/.themes [01:11] if you don't have .themes in your home, you can simpy create it [01:11] to see hidden files (starting with a .) in thunar, press ctrl+h to enable the "show hidden view" [01:11] (and press ctrl+h again to disable) [01:12] Hey, does 12.10 not use gtk themes anymore? [01:12] pr0metheu5, it does [01:12] i see my hidden files, but there is no .themes folder, should i create it? [01:12] BillyZane, yes [01:12] Oh, do you have the same question BillyZane? [01:12] I created a .themes folder too and put a gtk theme in there, but it won't show up under ''appearances'' [01:12] pr0metheu5, probably not. what's your actual problem? [01:12] That is ^ [01:13] pr0metheu5, yes we did :) [01:13] pr0metheu5, did you remember to extract the archive? [01:13] knome, ok it's in there, testing [01:13] knome yes, extracted the folder and placed it in there [01:13] you know what, let me brb real quick and boot into xubuntu, im in windows right now [01:15] knome, i don't see it in there [01:15] ok, back [01:15] i'm in appearance, in the icons tab [01:15] Oh wow, it worked, nevermind. Maybe I just needed to restart my computer. [01:15] cool [01:16] pr0metheu5, ok, hf [01:16] should i restart mine? [01:16] knome thanks. =] [01:16] BillyZane, wait, sorry. you'll need to copy it to ~/.icons [01:16] it says i need a restart [01:16] LOL [01:16] pr0metheu5, np :) [01:16] BillyZane, perhaps? Wouldn't hurt. [01:16] knome, sure [01:16] BillyZane, so once you copy/move it *there*, it should work [01:16] (it's a bit late here, 3am) [01:17] ok did it [01:17] checking [01:18] ot [01:18] it's in there :) [01:18] but [01:18] i can't change my icon theme [01:18] had the problem all along [01:18] i can change other stuff, but my icons are the same [01:18] perhaps a restart is in order [01:18] that wouldn't hurt at least [01:19] brb [01:21] What's the window manager in xubuntu 12.10? [01:21] xfwm [01:21] Also, I don't think it hibernates when I close the lid. And I'm having problems with the FN keys for backlight. [01:21] It got fixed in 12.04 when I added "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub [01:22] But it's not working anymore. [01:22] have you searched google for possible help with the issue for 12.10? [01:22] Yeah, couldn't find anything [01:24] ok, I gotta brb [01:24] dude [01:24] I'm trying a new install of xubuntu but seem to be having major issues with my nvidia video card. Every driver I install results in 'You do not appear to be using the nvidia driver' error. I follow the directions in the attention window and still things do not work out. What am I doing wrong here? [01:24] I'm in seriou pc trouble [01:25] garb won't boot [01:25] grub [01:26] Maybe Xubuntu is not compatible with nvidia cards? This has happened on two other machines [01:26] BillyZane2, did it boot before? [01:26] keith_, i'm using xubuntu with nvidia card and i've no problems [01:26] keith_, what version of xubuntu are you using? [01:26] 12.04 [01:27] so when do you get that error message? [01:27] When I try to use the additional drivers [01:27] And then access the installed nvidia settings program [01:30] hmm. [01:30] have you tried booting after installing a driver? [01:30] oh my god. the big crisis I had was a USB drive plugged in [01:31] and does the additional drivers dialog give you any specific error *when trying to install* [01:34] knome: additional drivers install just fine. When I try to access the monitor settings via the nvidia program it gives me this error [01:36] that's weird. do you have an Xorg.conf file? [01:40] i need to go to bed [01:40] good luck everybody [01:41] Good night, knome. [01:45] hey guys, quick question, is it possible to move/resize windows similar to awesome wm? with keyboard and mouse? eg. super + right click resizes the window (based on edge the mouse is closest to)? [01:45] and super + left click moves it? [01:46] xubuntu386: ALT + Left Klick [01:46] xubuntu386: Like alt+left click and alt+right? [01:47] yeah, except mouse click isn't a recognized command [01:47] it has to be activated by keyboard only [01:47] xubuntu386: it does not have to be defined, it is standard [01:47] just try [01:48] yeah I get nothing... [01:49] ooh haha [01:49] YES! [01:49] sorry ab out that [01:49] it works [01:49] man this really completes my xubuntu experience [01:50] I had to reset it back to default [01:50] thank you for the hint [02:00] Does anyone know how easy or hard it would be to install a different kernal? I am trying to install a module that was compiled for several kernals, but not the one I am using 3.2.0-37-generic x86-64, and the module is compiled for (among others): 3.0.0-13-generic-x86_64 3.0.0-13-generic-x86_64-GPL 3.2.0-32-generic-Intel-GPL 3.2.0-33-generic 3.2.0-33-generic-Intel-GPL 3.4.0-030400-generic-Intel-GPL 3.4.0-030400-generic-pae-Intel- [02:13] hey anyone know how to download a file with curl [02:13] i got an http address [02:15] curl link -o local.file Pretty sure, but I use wget. :D [02:15] wget? [02:15] how could i use wget then? [02:15] will local.file be created if it dosn't exit? [02:16] wget http://domain.tld/path/to/file.jpg [02:16] does that download strait into local directory [02:16] ? [02:16] Yes. [02:17] thanks [02:18] does wget use curl? [02:19] Can't get usb and networking working on xubuntu 12.10 64bit [02:20] anyone around to help? [02:21] justakill: wget is a program. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:50] hai! [04:18] what is xfce session compared to xubuntu [04:18] dydzEz2: quite similar from what i have found.. i would just log into them both and look [04:21] wierd this guy who has the same laptop as me had to use boot repair or modify grub [04:21] dual boot w8 [04:21] but both of us are doing legacy [04:33] i cant believe it, for 2 days my laptop was so messed up and it turned out that i messed up the partitioning somehow and when i just did a total format as if the ssd was new on gpart and let windows do the automatic partitioning, everything works within 30 mins doing no extra work [04:34] hey, that was what i was voting for.... the path of least resistance [04:35] still wondering how i messed up partitioning, i did let windows partition on all the clean installs, the only thing that changed is before my like 3rd fresh w8 install i unallocated everything through gparted [04:48] anyone have any idea how i can tell which is xubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 by plugging in the usb stick and looking from my computer [04:50] dydzEz2: i would look around and see if you see the kernels... one will be newer [04:52] oh youre talking about the date modified holstein [04:55] .disk/info [04:55] I should say, that file should have it. [05:04] hi [05:04] im new here [05:05] Howdy. [05:06] install in progress [05:07] never tried xubuntu [05:07] others tho [05:23] can someone help me out the top bar is off the monitor [05:23] i cant see the update icon to click it [05:23] using a 1080p hdtv [05:28] i managed to find it by guessing where it is [05:28] ok something wierd happened [05:28] xubuntu loaded as a black screen [05:28] like a terminal [05:28] i logged in cuz i know my login info [05:28] if this was like backtrack id type startx to start the gnome interface [05:29] oh startx works here too [05:29] why did that happen [05:32] everything is acting strange now, the dock at the bottom now has a black outline [05:44] right after i loaded tails live cd to test something xubuntu is acting crazy [05:45] i mean at first there were 2 virutal desktops, now its pre-set for 4 [05:45] the dock used to have a translucent background, but now its all black [05:45] apt-get update takes a year [06:04] its like im in a safe-mode for xubuntu [07:33] ok so after installing xubuntu restricted extras, i go black screen === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [13:29] hi [13:58] Hello [13:58] Could someone help me? === Bruno is now known as Guest92372 [13:59] Hello [13:59] Could someone help me? [14:00] !ask | Guest70400 [14:00] Guest70400: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [14:01] Will the xubuntu 32 bit system, work with 4gb ram? [14:01] yes [14:01] sure it pae enabled [14:01] s/it/it is/ [14:01] So I don't have to install the 64 bit one? [14:01] if you dont want to, no [14:02] Okkay, Thank you for your time! [14:02] !pae | Guest70400 [14:02] Guest70400: To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the PAE-enabled kernel. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info [14:02] Thank you. [14:02] Guest92372: http://terokarvinen.com/2011/32-bit-linux-can-see-8-gb-of-memory [14:03] no problem :) [14:03] remember that until 12.04 xubuntu used a non-pae kernel, so please use 12.10 [14:51] join #xubuntu-offtopic [14:55] hello =) [14:56] is there anyone in chat? [14:57] probably, but you have to ask a question :) [14:57] i need help please........ [14:57] ... [14:57] !ask | matteo_ [14:57] matteo_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [14:58] ok =) [14:59] i have to install Xubuntu on my Acer Travelmate 290e, but the error is: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU. [15:04] matteo_: trying to find out what bus that uses, is a a 32bit processor ? and are you loading 64bit xubuntu [15:05] i have xubuntu 32-bit cd on my 32-bit pc... oh dear God.... =( [15:06] matteo_, you need to use 12.04 because thats the last non-pae release made [15:07] if you try to install 12.10 it will fail, because your micro doesnt support pae [15:08] and what i do now [15:08] ? [15:08] !download [15:08] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Quantal, and help keeping the servers' load low! [15:09] download a 12.04 iso [15:09] matteo_: download use xubuntu 12.04 instead of 12.10 like gridcude suggests [15:09] ok, but i'm able to upgrade xubuntu? [15:11] 12.04? yes till two more years [15:11] it an lts release :) [15:11] sadly the last with non-pae kernel, but we have to move with the times [15:12] ok, [15:13] thank you anyway [15:16] hi [15:18] !hi | Kacey [15:18] Kacey: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [17:04] Clicking the bottom right corner of my touchpad (just above the buttons) simulates a right click. Is that a feature? If so, how can I turn it off? Didn't find anything relevant in the Mouse settings. [17:05] its how mouspads work [17:06] It is? I do have hard buttons, too.. === guester is now known as toz [17:07] yep [17:08] Don't remember it happening in Windows tho.. I guess that one's my fault, probably have to download Synaptiks and check its settings. Thanks :) [17:09] i have it and i've never seen such setting [17:09] i just assumed that thats how it works [17:10] Well, I use hard buttons if I want to right click ... tapping on the touchpad is too precise and I seem to miss it when I need it - and hit it when I don't. [17:18] how do i remove all other desktops? [17:24] how do i remove all other desktops? except xubuntu? [17:24] tion_: depends what you mean by desktops? [17:29] what do you think i mean? [17:30] workspaces? [17:30] workspaces!=desktops [17:31] are you referring to desktop environments then? [17:31] arent you a clever cookie :) [17:32] It's generally a good idea not to be sarcastic when asking for help. :) [17:32] please try to fix the attitude [17:32] how do i remove all other desktops(ex.gnome/unity/kde/lsde/etc/etc? except xubuntu? [17:32] you weren't specific yourself so we had to guess [17:33] !purexfce [17:33] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [17:34] Can someone please try syndaemon -d -i 2s -t? It should disable mouse taps (left/right clicks) and scrolling while typing, but it doesn't have any effect. The bugtracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/366014) shows it as fixed, but I'd like to make sure I'm not doing something wrong before reopening. [17:34] Ubuntu bug 366014 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Syndaemon -t option not working" [Medium,Fix released] [17:38] i thought you just needed to do apt-get remove unity/gnome/etc/etc/ just goes to show what a mess ubuntu is [17:39] tion_, did you see the link I gave you [17:39] yes thats exactly what im talking about [17:39] tion_: that has NEVER been the case (that you can just easily wipe out another DE) [17:40] tion_, thats the way to do it, if I read your question correctly [17:40] at least as far as I'm aware. I know several releases ago I'd installed KDE, and ended up just reinstalling regular ubuntu because there wasn't a simple way to extricate it [17:40] !puregnome [17:40] If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu [17:41] besides dont i need to change apt repos to point to xubuntu only repos? [17:41] no such thing [17:41] i bet it will all come back after update [17:41] ? [17:43] I am not responsible for any damage you do to your *buntu installation. If you're worried about breaking anything, do a full back up of your *buntu installation. [17:43] right [17:45] tion_, whats the issue with swap [17:47] swapon -s -v [17:47] Filename Type Size Used Priority [17:47] nothing and i allready edited the fstab file with the correct UUID [17:49] nay help or was that just a retorical question bazhang? [17:50] tion_: you're being really confrontational with people who are trying to help you. perhaps tone it down a bit? [17:50] tion_, I saw you crossposting in #ubuntu , wanted to keep it here [17:50] i dint crossed postanything [17:51] asking for help in two channels, same issue; crossposting [17:52] in asking about xubuntu in here and asked about swap problems in ubuntu i dont see your point! [17:52] please calm down. [17:53] im calm... are you calm knome? [17:54] yes, very [17:54] tion_, seriously, you're asking for help. Stop being so confrontational. [17:56] yes i realize linux isn't anywhere near the standards used in real TM OSs but it could be other than a "rat" trap for users [17:57] so far im just waisting time [17:57] is that the porpuse of linux? [17:58] Nobody forced you to install it... [17:58] yes tion_, the entire reason we're here trying to support xubuntu users is to make a "rat" trap for YOU personally to waste your time in. You caught us. congratulations, we totally deserve you making snide comments. [17:58] Cheri703, please. [17:59] sorry, I'm annoyed [17:59] i was forced to install it due to a number of circumstances [17:59] tion_, did you have a real support question? [18:00] the hard part is were to start [18:00]