[00:00] <BillyZane> by dependencies...
[00:00] <BillyZane> are you referring to stuff that when I install it, it will install additional things automatically?
[00:00] <BillyZane> so if I remove xfce-desktop, those additional downloads would remain on my computer?
[00:01] <David-A> BillyZane: I think synaptic is easier to use when I want more info about a package and dependencies before I install it.
[00:01] <BillyZane> i just want a cool theme is all
[00:02] <BillyZane> what would i get in xfce-desktop that i wouldn't get from xfce4 ?
[00:02] <knome> xubuntu-desktop
[00:02] <BillyZane> oh yeah
[00:02] <David-A> BillyZane: yes, normally dependencies are not uninstalled when the package that drag them in is uninstalled. but there are ways to uninstall all such "un-needed" packages.
[00:03] <BillyZane> what ways are those?
[00:03] <BillyZane> is there a listing somewhere of dependencies that are installed
[00:04] <BillyZane> thus, manually typing in the remove command for each package
[00:04] <knome> BillyZane, you'll get a list of packages that will be installed
[00:05] <knome> xubuntu-desktop is a pure meta package, so removing it actually removes nothing
[00:05] <BillyZane> :o
[00:05] <knome> everything that is installed when you install that is a dependency
[00:05] <David-A> BillyZane: in synaptic: status>auto removable   or  apt-get autoremove
[00:05] <BillyZane> ohh
[00:05] <BillyZane> so i could say... sudo apt-get autoremove xubuntu-desktop
[00:06] <BillyZane> and it would remove all the dependencies?
[00:07] <David-A> BillyZane: no, you "apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop" first, then "apt-get autoremove" to remove all its dependencies (that are not dependecies of something else)
[00:07] <BillyZane> i see, so all dependencies would be removed.
[00:07] <David-A> BillyZane: (maybe apt-get can take remove and autoremove at the same time. have not tried that)
[00:08] <BillyZane> what exactly is a dependency? are they simply background applications? do they include applications?
[00:09] <David-A> BillyZane: yes, all depenencies that are un-needed (if some of the packages are dependencies by still installed other packages they will not be removed)
[00:10] <David-A> BillyZane: example. if a program is written in python, then the python interpreter would be a dependency. all programs with gui will have dependencies with X11 libraries. etc.
[00:11] <BillyZane> oooo
[00:11] <BillyZane> well that makes sense
[00:11] <BillyZane> they really are dependent
[00:12] <David-A> BillyZane: some programs have weaker kinds of dependencies (called "suggested" and "recommended"), it could e.g. be spell-check-plugins for a word-processor and things like that.
[00:12] <BillyZane> i'll install it
[00:12] <knome> applications are rarely dependencies... except in the case of pure metapackages like xubuntu-desktop :)
[00:13] <BillyZane> is there anyway I can install that Greybird, IIRC theme without installing xfce-desktop?
[00:14] <BillyZane> also, suppose I don't like it. How do i get back to "Default"
[00:14] <knome> ...xubuntu-desktop
[00:14] <BillyZane> synaptic did list the packages that would be installed
[00:15] <BillyZane> ok, i'm installing :)
[00:16] <BillyZane> i'm so neo right now
[00:16] <BillyZane> you know what annoys me?
[00:17] <BillyZane> the fact that ubuntu brought linux to the masses of idiots, like myself
[00:17] <knome> you know what i think about that?
[00:17] <BillyZane> there's no l33tness to using unix anymore
[00:17] <BillyZane> what's that
[00:17] <knome> everybody needs to start somewhere, and it's good that there's an os that makes the first step easier for inexperienced users
[00:18] <BillyZane> it really did help
[00:19] <BillyZane> but it's not suppose to be easy. it's suppose to be mysterious and something to brag about
[00:19] <BillyZane> i remember growing up, i knew 1 person who used a *nix system
[00:19] <BillyZane> and that was it. no one else was hardcore enough. and you know what, it did give a person some credit
[00:20] <BillyZane> well it's installed
[00:20] <BillyZane> now what?
[00:20] <BillyZane> should i log out?
[00:20] <BillyZane> do i need to log out?
[00:21] <BillyZane> i'm in xfce4 at the moment
[00:21] <knome> you need to log out and log in (remember to select the "xubuntu" session)
[00:21] <David-A> BillyZane: if you'r logged into gnome and want to run xfce instead, yes you need to log out.
[00:21] <BillyZane> ooo ok
[00:21] <BillyZane> am i on gnome right now?
[00:21] <BillyZane> n/m
[00:22] <BillyZane> i'll log out and back in
[00:22] <David-A> BillyZane: I dont know, what sesssion did you select last time you logged in?
[00:22] <BillyZane> xfce4
[00:22] <BillyZane> err.. i think.. xfce
[00:22] <knome> again remember that xfce != xubuntu
[00:23] <knome> there is the "xfce" session and the "xubuntu" session
[00:23] <knome> they are different
[00:27] <BillyZane> brb
[00:28] <BillyZane> ok i'm back
[00:29] <BillyZane> umm
[00:32] <BillyZane> well
[00:32] <BillyZane> I found greybird
[00:32] <BillyZane> but how do I change the icons on the bottom to look like the ones on the website? is that IIRC?
[00:34] <knome> BillyZane, do you mean the actual icon art looks different?
[00:34] <BillyZane> yeah
[00:34] <knome> try setting "elementary-xfce-dark" as the icon theme
[00:35] <BillyZane> http://www.xfce.org/
[00:35] <BillyZane> notice how the top has this slick black bar
[00:35] <knome> aha, right
[00:35] <BillyZane> and the bottom, the icons don't look like windows 95
[00:35] <knome> you are referring to the xfce website.
[00:35] <BillyZane> yeah
[00:35] <knome> that icon theme is called faenza
[00:35] <BillyZane> oooooo.. sooo sexy
[00:36] <BillyZane> what about the title bar
[00:36] <BillyZane> err.. the bar on top
[00:36] <BillyZane> that looks hard
[00:36] <knome> what about that?
[00:37] <knome> if you want to make the top panel look like the xfce website, go edit the panel preferences
[00:37] <knome> (right-click the panel, and go to panel -> panel preferences)
[00:42] <ToeTag> Hey guys, using Xubu 12.10 on a laptop here - sometimes X doesn't start, it seems to be random, is there a log somewhere I can check to see if something is failing on startup?
[00:43] <BillyZane> knome, I'm there, but there aren't any themes available. I can change the color of the panel though
[00:43] <knome> do you have an ssd hard disk?
[00:43] <BillyZane> his question seems more important
[00:43] <ToeTag> HDD for me
[00:43] <knome> BillyZane, i'm not sure if i follow. what's in the panel that's so different than in the xubuntu panel?
[00:44] <BillyZane> well, the one i really wanted to change was the bottom one. is it simply a transparency? You said it was the faenza icon theme right?
[00:44] <knome> ToeTag, right, then it's not a known bug that it might have been. i'd look in /var/log
[00:45] <knome> BillyZane, yep, the bottom one has 100% transparency. and yes, the icon theme is faenza
[00:45] <ToeTag> okay, thanks knome. I'm really LOVING 12.10 on this laptop other than that little intermittand hangup
[00:45] <BillyZane> i can't see any theme settings for the panel. i haven't restarted my computer by the way. not sure if that matters. i have logged out and in to xsession
[00:46] <knome> BillyZane, there aren't any theme settings for the panel only. you need to change the icon set for your whole system
[00:46] <BillyZane> how do i do that?
[00:46] <knome> ToeTag, thanks, that's good to hear. good look finding the issue!
[00:46] <knome> BillyZane, in settings manager, choose appearance and look at the icons tab
[00:46] <BillyZane> knome: i'm 12.10 too :D
[00:47] <knome> me too
[00:52] <BillyZane> knome: changing icon themes don't do anything, also, faenza isn't listed
[00:53] <knome> BillyZane, you probably need to install faenza
[00:59] <BillyZane> hmm
[00:59] <BillyZane> i tried installing it by adding to my repository
[00:59] <BillyZane> errr.. i added equinox
[00:59] <BillyZane> then i tried sudo apt-get install faenza-icon-theme
[01:00] <BillyZane> i don't think that will work
[01:00] <knome> if that package doesn't exist, it won't
[01:00] <knome> faenza doesn't seem to be available in the repositories
[01:01] <knome> try downloading from https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce
[01:02] <knome> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce/archive/v.0.2.1.tar.gz
[01:03] <BillyZane> ok...
[01:03] <BillyZane> umm... i think the command is... get...
[01:03] <BillyZane> get https://github.com/shimmerproject/Faenza-Xfce/archive/v.0.2.1.tar.gz
[01:03] <BillyZane> right?
[01:03] <BillyZane> or something
[01:03] <knome> wget if you want to download from the command line
[01:03] <knome> or paste to the browser
[01:03] <BillyZane> i don't know how to install from a tar file
[01:03] <BillyZane> i'm so n00b it hurts
[01:04] <BillyZane> i'd like to know the commands.... it's wget URL
[01:04] <knome> tell me once you've downloaded and i'll guide you through
[01:04] <BillyZane> then, i would type... gtar ?
[01:04] <BillyZane> sweet!
[01:04] <BillyZane> downloaded
[01:04] <knome> i'd suggest using the GUI for this
[01:05] <knome> open thunar where you downloaded the file
[01:05] <BillyZane> i suppose it's better to use gui
[01:05] <BillyZane> but i need to learn
[01:05] <BillyZane> this is something i don't know yet
[01:05] <knome> eventually you'll learn if you need to
[01:05] <BillyZane> aww :(
[01:05] <knome> but it's not a requirement to know everything in command line
[01:06] <knome> .tar.gz is simply an archive, like a .zip file
[01:06] <BillyZane> true
[01:06] <knome> in thunar, right-click the file and select extract here
[01:06] <knome> you should get a directory with the same name as the archive
[01:07] <knome> once you have that, simply copy it to ~/.themes and it should appear in the appearance dialog
[01:07] <BillyZane> ok i extracted it
[01:10] <BillyZane> where's .themes
[01:11] <knome> ~/.themes means /home/yourusername/.themes
[01:11] <knome> if you don't have .themes in your home, you can simpy create it
[01:11] <knome> to see hidden files (starting with a .) in thunar, press ctrl+h to enable the "show hidden view"
[01:11] <knome> (and press ctrl+h again to disable)
[01:12] <pr0metheu5> Hey, does 12.10 not use gtk themes anymore?
[01:12] <knome> pr0metheu5, it does
[01:12] <BillyZane> i see my hidden files, but there is no .themes folder, should i create it?
[01:12] <knome> BillyZane, yes
[01:12] <pr0metheu5> Oh, do you have the same question BillyZane?
[01:12] <pr0metheu5> I created a .themes folder too and put a gtk theme in there, but it won't show up under ''appearances''
[01:12] <knome> pr0metheu5, probably not. what's your actual problem?
[01:12] <pr0metheu5> That is ^
[01:13] <BillyZane> pr0metheu5, yes we did :)
[01:13] <knome> pr0metheu5, did you remember to extract the archive?
[01:13] <BillyZane> knome, ok it's in there, testing
[01:13] <pr0metheu5> knome yes, extracted the folder and placed it in there
[01:13] <pr0metheu5> you know what, let me brb real quick and boot into xubuntu, im in windows right now
[01:15] <BillyZane> knome, i don't see it in there
[01:15] <pr0metheu5> ok, back
[01:15] <BillyZane> i'm in appearance, in the icons tab
[01:15] <pr0metheu5> Oh wow, it worked, nevermind. Maybe I just needed to restart my computer.
[01:15] <pr0metheu5> cool
[01:16] <knome> pr0metheu5, ok, hf
[01:16] <BillyZane> should i restart mine?
[01:16] <pr0metheu5> knome thanks. =]
[01:16] <knome> BillyZane, wait, sorry. you'll need to copy it to ~/.icons
[01:16] <BillyZane> it says i need a restart
[01:16] <BillyZane> LOL
[01:16] <knome> pr0metheu5, np :)
[01:16] <pr0metheu5> BillyZane, perhaps? Wouldn't hurt.
[01:16] <BillyZane> knome, sure
[01:16] <knome> BillyZane, so once you copy/move it *there*, it should work
[01:16] <knome> (it's a bit late here, 3am)
[01:17] <BillyZane> ok did it
[01:17] <BillyZane> checking
[01:18] <BillyZane> ot
[01:18] <BillyZane> it's in there :)
[01:18] <BillyZane> but
[01:18] <BillyZane> i can't change my icon theme
[01:18] <BillyZane> had the problem all along
[01:18] <BillyZane> i can change other stuff, but my icons are the same
[01:18] <BillyZane> perhaps a restart is in order
[01:18] <knome> that wouldn't hurt at least
[01:19] <BillyZane> brb
[01:21] <pr0metheu5> What's the window manager in xubuntu 12.10?
[01:21] <knome> xfwm
[01:21] <pr0metheu5> Also, I don't think it hibernates when I close the lid. And I'm having problems with the FN keys for backlight.
[01:21] <pr0metheu5> It got fixed in 12.04 when I added "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub
[01:22] <pr0metheu5> But it's not working anymore.
[01:22] <knome> have you searched google for possible help with the issue for 12.10?
[01:22] <pr0metheu5> Yeah, couldn't find anything
[01:24] <pr0metheu5> ok, I gotta brb
[01:24] <BillyZane2> dude
[01:24] <keith_> I'm trying a new install of xubuntu but seem to be having major issues with my nvidia video card.  Every driver I install results in 'You do not appear to be using the nvidia driver' error.  I follow the directions in the attention window and still things do not work out.  What am I doing wrong here?
[01:24] <BillyZane2> I'm in seriou pc trouble
[01:25] <BillyZane2> garb won't boot
[01:25] <BillyZane2> grub
[01:26] <keith_> Maybe Xubuntu is not compatible with nvidia cards? This has happened on two other machines
[01:26] <knome> BillyZane2, did it boot before?
[01:26] <knome> keith_, i'm using xubuntu with nvidia card and i've no problems
[01:26] <knome> keith_, what version of xubuntu are you using?
[01:26] <keith_> 12.04
[01:27] <knome> so when do you get that error message?
[01:27] <keith_> When I try to use the additional drivers
[01:27] <keith_> And then access the installed nvidia settings program
[01:30] <knome> hmm.
[01:30] <knome> have you tried booting after installing a driver?
[01:30] <BillyZane2> oh my god. the big crisis I had was a USB drive plugged in
[01:31] <knome> and does the additional drivers dialog give you any specific error *when trying to install*
[01:34] <keith_> knome: additional drivers install just fine.  When I try to access the monitor settings via the nvidia program it gives me this error
[01:36] <knome> that's weird. do you have an Xorg.conf file?
[01:40] <knome> i need to go to bed
[01:40] <knome> good luck everybody
[01:41] <Unit193> Good night, knome.
[01:45] <xubuntu386> hey guys, quick question, is it possible to move/resize windows similar to awesome wm? with keyboard and mouse? eg. super + right click resizes the window (based on edge the mouse is closest to)?
[01:45] <xubuntu386> and super + left click moves it?
[01:46] <koegs> xubuntu386: ALT + Left Klick
[01:46] <Unit193> xubuntu386: Like alt+left click and alt+right?
[01:47] <xubuntu386> yeah, except mouse click isn't a recognized command
[01:47] <xubuntu386> it has to be activated by keyboard only
[01:47] <koegs> xubuntu386: it does not have to be defined, it is standard
[01:47] <koegs> just try
[01:48] <xubuntu386> yeah I get nothing...
[01:49] <xubuntu386> ooh haha
[01:49] <xubuntu386> YES!
[01:49] <xubuntu386> sorry ab out that
[01:49] <xubuntu386> it works
[01:49] <xubuntu386> man this really completes my xubuntu experience
[01:50] <xubuntu386> I had to reset it back to default
[01:50] <xubuntu386> thank you for the hint
[02:00] <xubuntu751> Does anyone know how easy or hard it would be to install a different kernal?  I am trying to install a module that was compiled for several kernals, but not the one I am using 3.2.0-37-generic x86-64, and the module is compiled for (among others): 3.0.0-13-generic-x86_64 3.0.0-13-generic-x86_64-GPL 3.2.0-32-generic-Intel-GPL 3.2.0-33-generic 3.2.0-33-generic-Intel-GPL 3.4.0-030400-generic-Intel-GPL 3.4.0-030400-generic-pae-Intel-
[02:13] <justakill> hey anyone know how to download a file with curl
[02:13] <justakill> i got an http address
[02:15] <Unit193> curl link -o local.file   Pretty sure, but I use wget. :D
[02:15] <justakill> wget?
[02:15] <justakill> how could i use wget then?
[02:15] <justakill> will local.file be created if it dosn't exit?
[02:16] <Unit193> wget http://domain.tld/path/to/file.jpg
[02:16] <justakill> does that download strait into local directory
[02:16] <justakill> ?
[02:16] <Unit193> Yes.
[02:17] <justakill> thanks
[02:18] <justakill> does wget use curl?
[02:19] <joe352> Can't get usb and networking working on xubuntu 12.10 64bit
[02:20] <joe352> anyone around to help?
[02:21] <Unit193> justakill: wget is a program.
[03:50] <esmth> hai!
[04:18] <dydzEz2> what is xfce session compared to xubuntu
[04:18] <holstein> dydzEz2: quite similar from what i have found.. i would just log into them both and look
[04:21] <dydzEz2> wierd this guy who has the same laptop as me had to use boot repair or modify grub
[04:21] <dydzEz2> dual boot w8
[04:21] <dydzEz2> but both of us are doing legacy
[04:33] <dydzEz2> i cant believe it, for 2 days my laptop was so messed up and it turned out that i messed up the partitioning somehow and when i just did a total format as if the ssd was new on gpart and let windows do the automatic partitioning, everything works within 30 mins doing no extra work
[04:34] <holstein> hey, that was what i was voting for.... the path of least resistance
[04:35] <dydzEz2> still wondering how i messed up partitioning, i did let windows partition on all the clean installs, the only thing that changed is before my like 3rd fresh w8 install i unallocated everything through gparted
[04:48] <dydzEz2> anyone have any idea how i can tell which is xubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 by plugging in the usb stick and looking from my computer
[04:50] <holstein> dydzEz2: i would look around and see if you see the kernels... one will be newer
[04:52] <dydzEz2>  oh youre talking about the date modified holstein
[04:55] <Unit193> .disk/info
[04:55] <Unit193> I should say, that file should have it.
[05:04] <xubuntu429> hi
[05:04] <xubuntu429> im new here
[05:05] <Unit193> Howdy.
[05:06] <xubuntu429> install in progress
[05:07] <xubuntu429> never tried xubuntu
[05:07] <xubuntu429> others tho
[05:23] <xubuntu397> can someone help me out the top bar is off the monitor
[05:23] <xubuntu397> i cant see the update icon to click it
[05:23] <xubuntu397> using a 1080p hdtv
[05:28] <xubuntu397> i managed to find it by guessing where it is
[05:28] <dydzEz2> ok something wierd happened
[05:28] <dydzEz2> xubuntu loaded as a black screen
[05:28] <dydzEz2> like a terminal
[05:28] <dydzEz2> i logged in cuz i know my login info
[05:28] <dydzEz2> if this was like backtrack id type startx to start the gnome interface
[05:29] <dydzEz2> oh startx works here too
[05:29] <dydzEz2> why did that happen
[05:32] <dydzEz2> everything is acting strange now, the dock at the bottom now has a black outline
[05:44] <dydzEz2> right after i loaded tails live cd to test something xubuntu is acting crazy
[05:45] <dydzEz2> i mean at first there were 2 virutal desktops, now its pre-set for 4
[05:45] <dydzEz2> the dock used to have a translucent background, but now its all black
[05:45] <dydzEz2> apt-get update takes a year
[06:04] <dydzEz2_> its like im in a safe-mode for xubuntu
[07:33] <dydzEz2_> ok so after installing xubuntu restricted extras, i go black screen
[13:29] <xubuntu741> hi
[13:58] <Bruno> Hello
[13:58] <Bruno> Could someone help me?
[13:59] <Guest92372> Hello
[13:59] <Guest92372> Could someone help me?
[14:00] <GridCube> !ask | Guest70400
[14:01] <Guest92372> Will the xubuntu 32 bit system, work with 4gb ram?
[14:01] <torax> yes
[14:01] <GridCube> sure it pae enabled
[14:01] <GridCube> s/it/it is/
[14:01] <Guest92372> So I don't have to install the 64 bit one?
[14:01] <GridCube> if you dont want to, no
[14:02] <Guest92372> Okkay, Thank you for your time!
[14:02] <GridCube> !pae | Guest70400
[14:02] <Guest92372> Thank you.
[14:02] <torax> Guest92372: http://terokarvinen.com/2011/32-bit-linux-can-see-8-gb-of-memory
[14:03] <GridCube> no problem :)
[14:03] <GridCube> remember that until 12.04 xubuntu used a non-pae kernel, so please use 12.10
[14:51] <recon_lap> join #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:55] <matteo_> hello =)
[14:56] <matteo_> is there anyone in chat?
[14:57] <recon_lap> probably, but you have to ask a question :)
[14:57] <matteo_> i need help please........
[14:57] <matteo_> ...
[14:57] <baizon> !ask | matteo_
[14:58] <matteo_> ok =)
[14:59] <matteo_> i have to install Xubuntu on my Acer Travelmate 290e, but the error is: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.
[15:04] <recon_lap> matteo_: trying to find out what bus that uses, is a a 32bit processor ? and are you loading 64bit xubuntu
[15:05] <matteo_> i have xubuntu 32-bit cd on my 32-bit pc... oh dear God.... =(
[15:06] <GridCube> matteo_, you need to use 12.04 because thats the last non-pae release made
[15:07] <GridCube> if you try to install 12.10 it will fail, because your micro doesnt support pae
[15:08] <matteo_> and what i do now
[15:08] <matteo_> ?
[15:08] <GridCube> !download
[15:09] <GridCube> download a 12.04 iso
[15:09] <recon_lap> matteo_: download use xubuntu 12.04 instead of 12.10 like gridcude suggests
[15:09] <matteo_> ok, but i'm able to upgrade xubuntu?
[15:11] <GridCube> 12.04? yes till two more years
[15:11] <GridCube> it an lts release :)
[15:11] <GridCube> sadly the last with non-pae kernel, but we have to move with the times
[15:12] <matteo_> ok,
[15:13] <matteo_> thank you anyway
[15:16] <Kacey> hi
[15:18] <GridCube> !hi | Kacey
[17:04] <GermainZ> Clicking the bottom right corner of my touchpad (just above the buttons) simulates a right click. Is that a feature? If so, how can I turn it off? Didn't find anything relevant in the Mouse settings.
[17:05] <GridCube> its how mouspads work
[17:06] <GermainZ> It is? I do have hard buttons, too..
[17:07] <GridCube> yep
[17:08] <GermainZ> Don't remember it happening in Windows tho.. I guess that one's my fault, probably have to download Synaptiks and check its settings. Thanks :)
[17:09] <GridCube> i have it and i've never seen such setting
[17:09] <GridCube> i just assumed that thats how it works
[17:10] <GermainZ> Well, I use hard buttons if I want to right click ... tapping on the touchpad is too precise and I seem to miss it when I need it - and hit it when I don't.
[17:18] <tion_> how do i remove all other desktops?
[17:24] <tion_> how do i remove all other desktops? except xubuntu?
[17:24] <recon_lap> tion_: depends what you mean by desktops?
[17:29] <tion_> what do you think i mean?
[17:30] <knome> workspaces?
[17:30] <tion_> workspaces!=desktops
[17:31] <knome> are you referring to desktop environments then?
[17:31] <tion_> arent you a clever cookie :)
[17:32] <GermainZ> It's generally a good idea not to be sarcastic when asking for help. :)
[17:32] <knome> please try to fix the attitude
[17:32] <tion_> how do i remove all other desktops(ex.gnome/unity/kde/lsde/etc/etc? except xubuntu?
[17:32] <knome> you weren't specific yourself so we had to guess
[17:33] <bazhang> !purexfce
[17:34] <GermainZ> Can someone please try syndaemon -d -i 2s -t? It should disable mouse taps (left/right clicks) and scrolling while typing, but it doesn't have any effect. The bugtracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/366014) shows it as fixed, but I'd like to make sure I'm not doing something wrong before reopening.
[17:38] <tion_> i thought you just needed to do apt-get remove unity/gnome/etc/etc/ just goes to show what a mess ubuntu is
[17:39] <bazhang> tion_, did you see the link I gave you
[17:39] <tion_> yes thats exactly what im talking about
[17:39] <Cheri703> tion_: that has NEVER been the case (that you can just easily wipe out another DE)
[17:40] <bazhang> tion_, thats the way to do it, if I read your question correctly
[17:40] <Cheri703> at least as far as I'm aware. I know several releases ago I'd installed KDE, and ended up just reinstalling regular ubuntu because there wasn't a simple way to extricate it
[17:40] <bazhang> !puregnome
[17:41] <tion_> besides dont i need to change apt repos to point to xubuntu only repos?
[17:41] <bazhang> no such thing
[17:41] <tion_> i bet it will all come back after update
[17:41] <bazhang> ?
[17:43] <tion_>  I am not responsible for any damage you do to your *buntu installation. If you're worried about breaking anything, do a full back up of your *buntu installation.
[17:43] <tion_> right
[17:45] <bazhang> tion_, whats the issue with swap
[17:47] <tion_>  swapon -s -v
[17:47] <tion_> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[17:47] <tion_> nothing and i allready edited the fstab file with the correct UUID
[17:49] <tion_> nay help or was that just a retorical question bazhang?
[17:50] <Cheri703> tion_: you're being really confrontational with people who are trying to help you. perhaps tone it down a bit?
[17:50] <bazhang> tion_, I saw you crossposting in #ubuntu , wanted to keep it here
[17:50] <tion_> i dint crossed postanything
[17:51] <bazhang> asking for help in two channels, same issue; crossposting
[17:52] <tion_> in asking about xubuntu in here and asked about swap problems in ubuntu i dont see your point!
[17:52] <knome> please calm down.
[17:53] <tion_> im calm... are you calm knome?
[17:54] <knome> yes, very
[17:54] <GermainZ> tion_, seriously, you're asking for help. Stop being so confrontational.
[17:56] <tion_> yes i realize linux isn't anywhere near the standards used in real TM OSs but it could be other than a "rat" trap for users
[17:57] <tion_> so far im just waisting time
[17:57] <tion_> is that the porpuse of linux?
[17:58] <GermainZ> Nobody forced you to install it...
[17:58] <Cheri703> yes tion_, the entire reason we're here trying to support xubuntu users is to make a "rat" trap for YOU personally to waste your time in. You caught us. congratulations, we totally deserve you making snide comments.
[17:58] <knome> Cheri703, please.
[17:59] <Cheri703> sorry, I'm annoyed
[17:59] <tion_> i was forced to install it due to a number of circumstances
[17:59] <knome> tion_, did you have a real support question?
[18:00] <tion_> the hard part is were to start
[18:00] <tion_>  swapon -s -v
[18:00] <tion_> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[18:01] <tion_> NOTHING
[18:01] <knome> yes, we saw that
[18:01] <knome> please calm down.
[18:01] <knome> maybe your system doesn't need to swap anything right now?
[18:01] <tion_> so i must inf ere that you cant help me with that and want me to ask about some other problem?
[18:02] <knome> answers are not always available
[18:02] <recon_lap> GermainZ: it seems to work on my machine , for the up/down scroll anyway, hard to test
[18:02] <GermainZ> recon_lap, I can still right click / tap normally here while typing. Can you test that please?
[18:04] <tion_> why is it that some cli commands are half translated?
[18:04] <recon_lap> hmm, lets try with 5s
[18:04] <tion_> if the translation isnt complete or up to staNDRS WHY PUSH IT TO THE USERS?
[18:05] <tion_> df -h
[18:05] <tion_> Sist.fichs      Tama  Ocup Livre Uso% Montado em
[18:05] <tion_> /dev/sda7       5,2G  5,0G     0 100% /
[18:05] <recon_lap> GermainZ: it disables taps on the pad , but not the buttons. i'm using 12.04 btw
[18:05] <knome> tion_, i don't undestand what your problem is?
[18:06] <tion_> obviously my problem is to free disk space
[18:06] <GermainZ> recon_lap, ah, thanks for pointing that out. You're right.
[18:07] <tion_> knome, are you retarded?
[18:09] <David-A> tion_: you can remove cached debs with "sudo apt-get clean", then check if there are old unused big files in /tmp
[18:09] <tion_> i dont understand why is HDD space getting "eat" up and swap isn't being used for well maybe tempfiles?
[18:09] <knome> tion_, swap space isn't for extra hdd space.
[18:09] <knome> tion_, swap is used when you are running out of RAM
[18:10] <tion_> David-A, thanks for telling me something ive already done
[18:10] <knome> tion_, unless you fix your attitude towards people who are helping you, i will have to remove you from the channel.
[18:11] <tion_> and you call yourselfs support
[18:11] <tion_> do you think i would be asking for trivial stuff?
[18:11] <Cheri703> we call ourselves volunteers who don't need to have you being rude to us tion_.
[18:11] <Myrtti> volunteers first
[18:11] <Myrtti> support second
[18:11] <tion_> thats what google is existes
[18:11] <tion_> for
[18:12] <recon_lap> tion_: have you looked at your log sizes?
[18:15] <tion_> i have seen some here poking around the cli mess of countless commands that theres a /tempfs why isn't it using the swap partition is beyond
[18:15] <tion_> me
[18:18] <tion_> well thanks for absolutlly nothing
[18:20] <well_laid_lawn> tion_:  you can always ask for your money back...
[18:20] <tion_> so linux is a extortion racket?
[18:21] <GermainZ> It's free
[18:21] <pleia2> tion_: that's enough, you're being terribly rude, you should probably leave
[18:21] <tion_> no surprises there
[18:21] <tion_> GermainZ, so is ransomeware
[18:21] <knome> hmm.
[18:21] <GermainZ> Thanks guys :)
[18:22] <GermainZ> I've just added Eclipse to my applications list, but its icon is stretched over the title. Does that make sense?
[18:26] <mycobacterium> Hi everyone, i have a question about installing windows from Xubuntu. I mean - start installator directly from Xubuntu.. Is it possible ??
[18:26] <knome> mycobacterium, installing windows from xubuntu? nope.
[18:26] <mycobacterium> knome, i try explain why.
[18:26] <Cheri703> You could install in a VM
[18:28] <mycobacterium> I have a problem with Southbridge in my ASUS A6R laptop, my USB, touchpad and Keyboard don't work. My PCMCIA USB HUB works well but onl;y when system is started. I can't go to bios and change boot device priority..
[18:29] <mycobacterium> I have Xubuntu on board - but i need to install Windows and Xubuntu on other partition
[18:30] <mycobacterium> Any ideas ?? :-|
[18:31] <recon_lap> no, just questions, what windows media are you installing from?
[18:31] <mycobacterium> recon_lap, CD
[18:31] <knome> mycobacterium, i don't think there's any possibilities starting the windows installation from xubuntu, maybe from grub
[18:32] <mycobacterium> how can i wipe MBR directly from Xubuntu ??
[18:33] <recon_lap> mycobacterium: your problem is that you cannot change the boot order to CD?
[18:33] <GridCube> mycobacterium, make a booteable usb for windows from your cd using unetbootin
[18:34] <mycobacterium> recon_lap, when i have clean HDD - laptop boot from CD - now i have Xubuntu - so system boot Xubuntu
[18:34] <recon_lap> mycobacterium: you ever looked in the BIOS?
[18:35] <GridCube> press f12 or f11 to choose boot media
[18:35] <mycobacterium> PCMCIA USB HUB work only when system is started. In BIOS ? well :) answer is NO - keyboard start working thru PCMCIA USB HUB only when system is started :(
[18:36] <recon_lap> and GridCube seems to have a even simpler solution as usual
[18:37] <GridCube> mycobacterium, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16822/boot-from-a-usb-drive-even-if-your-bios-wont-let-you/
[18:38] <mycobacterium> GridCube, i can't use USB till system is started - kernel must be loaded with proper driver i think :-/
[18:38] <mycobacterium> driver to (PCMCIA USB HUB)
[18:39] <GridCube> mycobacterium, something HAS to be scanned before the hd
[18:39] <GridCube> cdrom, usb, floppy
[18:39] <mycobacterium> GridCube, CDROM (yes) USB(faulty southbridge)
[18:40] <GridCube> then i dont see the problem
[18:41] <recon_lap> windows will probably overwrite everything on your hdd, if you have proper activation codes that is :P
[18:42] <mycobacterium> can't boot from CD because i have system installed on HDD, laptop skip BOOT from CD and starting Xubuntu
[18:42] <mycobacterium> i need to vipe my hdd somehow
[18:43] <mycobacterium> directly from xubuntu
[18:44] <GridCube> mycobacterium, phisically remove your computer batteries, the ones in your motherboard, let it rest for a while, and replace it again, and reboot, it should default to standard bios and boot from cd-rom first
[18:44] <GridCube> as said... it should
[18:45] <mycobacterium> GridCube, i try that way - laptop skip booting from CD when system is installed
[18:45] <mycobacterium> can i use fdisk i wipe partition when system used it ?
[18:45] <GridCube> mycobacterium, i dont take responsabilities if something goes wrong
[18:46] <GridCube> mycobacterium, you cant format a mounted partition
[18:46] <mycobacterium> GridCube, its ok - i need to clean MBR
[18:46] <GridCube> you need to do it from an external source, like a livecd
[18:46] <mycobacterium> but i can't use CD while system is installed on HDD
[18:46] <GridCube> nope
[18:47] <mycobacterium> this piece of crap skip booting from cd when see something in MBR
[18:47] <GridCube> mycobacterium, do you have another computer?
[18:47] <GridCube> if you do you can simply plug the disk there and format it
[18:48] <mycobacterium> No, only A6R
[18:48] <mycobacterium> Do i have some options directly from running Xubuntu ?
[18:49] <GridCube> i dont understand
[18:49] <mycobacterium> Can i change or delete data, partiton on my disk when system is started ?
[18:50] <GermainZ> Not if it's mounted.
[18:50] <recon_lap> mycobacterium: so your BIOS does not let you set CD to boot first?
[18:50] <GermainZ> recon_lap, his keyboard isn't working till he boots. So he can't access his BIOS.
[18:50] <GridCube> mycobacterium, as i said earlier, and GermainZ pointed again, not if the partition is mounted
[18:50] <mycobacterium> recon_lap, when HDD is clean - bios starting from CD, when i have system installed on HDD, bios skip booting from cd
[18:50] <GridCube> the boot order is wrong
[18:51] <mycobacterium> GridCube, can i umount partition (somehow_) when system is started
[18:51] <GridCube> mycobacterium, not really, you could not run a program after that
[18:51] <mycobacterium> so i don't have any options here :-/ ?
[18:52] <GridCube> maybe, just maybe, i dont really know, if you boot into recovery mode
[18:52] <GridCube> maaaaaaaybe
[18:52] <David-A> mycobacterium: i think you can destroy the mbr with a sudo dd command while running the system. it's destructive, so know what you'r doing. try exhaust every possibility to boot from cd first.
[18:52] <recon_lap> mycobacterium: edit your grub menu
[18:52] <GermainZ> mycobacterium, you could try using unetbootin to boot directly into the windows iso ... but I'm not very experienced..
[18:53] <recon_lap> mycobacterium: make the default grub option the CD
[18:53] <mycobacterium> recon_lap, can you give me step by step how to ?
[18:53] <mycobacterium> what should i do ?
[18:54] <GridCube> mycobacterium, but you said you cannot get into your bios...
[18:54] <mycobacterium> yep
[18:54] <GridCube> i will place my bets on removing the battery
[18:54] <mycobacterium> but i can edit grub.cfg direclt from xubuntu, yes ?
[18:54] <GridCube> default bios usually point to cdrom first
[18:54] <mycobacterium> GridCube, i done it before\
[18:55] <mycobacterium> i'm running on defaults in bios
[18:55] <GridCube> ok
[18:55] <GridCube> so i have no ideas
[18:55] <GridCube> you need to be able access your bios
[18:56] <GridCube> or... maybe... make a grub entry for plop and boot into plop?
[18:57] <GridCube> mmm... no, no ideaa
[18:57] <misterjinx> hey everyone. i just installed xubuntu 12.10 and noticed that there is no option for extended display, just mirroring. what should I do in order to fix this ? thanks
[18:58] <GridCube> misterjinx, install arandr and edit your monitors to your pleasure
[18:58] <misterjinx> ok, thank you
[18:59] <mycobacterium> ok, thanks for the tip everyone, i try to pull out HDD and start Xubuntu from CD - the i try to connect thru adapter USB->HDD
[18:59] <GridCube> misterjinx, once you have a setting you like, you save the script it generates and add it to the autolauncher of the sessions
[18:59] <mycobacterium> Clean partitions - and try to install Windows
[19:00] <misterjinx> GridCube, thanks for the heads up
[19:06] <tion_> :)
[19:08] <tion_> you have to the wisdom of the "mobs"
[19:09] <tion_> you have to bond the wisdom of the "mobs"
[20:30] <ncmxcxx> hello peeps. offtopic. do intel processors in the blue box come with a cooling fan?
[20:32] <knome> !offtopic | ncmxcxx
[21:07] <GermainZ> I'm sorry if this is a stupid question ... But do I need to upgrade (by downloading versions newer than 12.10) or will I get all bug fixes by updating normally? I suppose I'll only need to upgrade when 13.x comes out, but I'd rather make sure, thanks :)
[21:09] <knome> GermainZ, yes, you're able to upgrade to newer versions when they come out
[21:09] <amiu> if you are running 12.10 it will be a good idea to upgrade (and even better idea to make backups and do a clean install). if you are running 12.04, you can continue on without need for upgrade
[21:10] <g16> GermainZ: you should upgrade regardless of 13.x
[21:10] <amiu> 12.04 will be supported and updated longer than 12.10 as 12.04 is a Long Term Release
[21:10] <David-A> GermainZ: you will get bug fixes in the updates as long as your current system is supported
[21:11] <GermainZ> Ah, I see. I think I'll just downgrade 12.04 by reinstalling, then. I didn't realize the difference between LTS and latest versions. I suppose I'll loose all my data considering I didn't create a separate partition for home?
[21:12] <knome> GermainZ, if it isn't a critical production machine, 12.10 and other normal releases should work for you as well
[21:13] <GermainZ> knome, true, but I suppose it's better now than later, considering my install is still relatively fresh and I can 'downgrade' without loosing too much data.
[21:13] <GermainZ> Might take the opportunity and set up a home partition as well.
[21:13] <g16> about losing the home: you have backed-up the important data anyways, don't you? ;)
[21:13] <knome> GermainZ, whatever fits you. creating a separate /home partition is a good reason too
[21:13] <GermainZ> g16, no important data .. yet :)
[21:15] <David-A> GermainZ: I have a faint recollection that the install process may recognize the /home and allow you to preserve it. But better check that up before you jump.
[21:15] <GermainZ> David-A, thanks. All installed apps will need to be redownloaded tho, correct?
[21:16] <amiu> yes
[21:17] <David-A> GermainZ: Yes, the system (all but /home) will be replaced. Have you installed program in the system outside the package management?
[21:17] <GermainZ> David-A, two or so.
[21:18] <David-A> GermainZ: did you save the manually downloaded .deb or .tar in /home/myself/Downloads ?
[21:18] <GermainZ> Yes, I'll be able to back it up.
[21:20] <David-A> GermainZ: assuming home is preserved, you only need to double-click the .deb:s again. (the .tar:s are a little more work)
[21:20] <GermainZ> Ok, thanks.
[21:22] <David-A> GermainZ: about moving /home to a separate partition. you could do that as a separate project from the downgrading project. either before or after. i'd recommend that.
[21:23] <GermainZ> I'm not sure yet what to do ... This is my current setup (excluding windows partitions): 8GB swap, ~200GB ext4.
[21:23] <GermainZ> Now, I'm planning on formatting swap and installing system there, considering I have 8GB RAM and frankly, I don't need it (and hibernate isn't compatible with my system), then use the 200gb partition as home.
[21:24] <GermainZ> But I'm not sure where apps go, and if I should maybe resize partitions as well.
[21:24] <GermainZ> I mean, I can always symlink apps ... but not sure how that would turn out.
[21:25] <David-A> GermainZ: xubuntu can be installed in, like, 2-3GB, but it will be tight and not many big packages like office suits and games will fit.
[21:26] <David-A> GermainZ: with 8GB for system everything will be fine until you install a server that need a lot of space, or until you make an upgrade, when space will be needed for, in effect, both the new and the old system.
[21:27] <GermainZ> Apps go into the system partition? If so, then I suppose resizing my partitions would be better than using 8GB for xubuntu and ~200GB for home, no?
[21:27] <David-A> GermainZ: so I would recomend at least 14GB for a system partition. maybe a little more.
[21:29] <David-A> GermainZ: Plenty of apps will fit in 8GB, but a version upgrade will not.
[21:30] <GermainZ> Alright, thanks. I think I'll resize to ~20GB and have the home partition take the rest.
[21:32] <David-A> GermainZ: would you consider still having a little swap, like a GB or two?
[21:33] <GermainZ> Not really. The free command shows no swap is used (ever), and with 8GB of RAM I doubt I'll need any unless I hibernate.
[21:35] <David-A> GermainZ: then I think you have too much ram :) a few percent of mem should be in swap most of the time for good performance (and good utilization of your money)
[21:35] <GermainZ> I have 7GB free RAM ATM...
[21:35] <David-A> GermainZ: there you see. what a waste.
[21:36] <GermainZ> How does using swap increase performance, when everything can be in the RAM? AFAIK, they'll be pushed to swap when RAM is needed. In that case, re-loading them from swap is slower than loading them from RAM (considering they'll need to be loaded into the RAM from swap)... so how does NOT using swap when it's not needed a waste of performance?
[21:38] <g16> there are old pages that are used only one time and never read once unallocated, they will effectively reduce the RAM available for applications
[21:38] <David-A> If the swap after a long time of computer usage still is 0, then it is not needed and isnt improving performance. but that indicates a bad investment in too much ram.
[21:38] <GermainZ> Well, swappiness is set to 60 and swap is still not being used ...
[21:39] <GermainZ> David-A, I haven't tried gaming and applications that are heavy, but I suppose 7GB should be enough.
[21:39] <amiu> swapiness is better set to 10
[21:39] <amiu> i rarely use more than 2GB
[21:48] <dydzEz2_>  anyone have any idea why login screen would go back and id have to use tty7 after installing xubuntu restricted extras
[21:55] <Noskcaj> Join #ubuntu-quality-chat for the classroom session on testdrive
[21:56] <GermainZ> I installed the Power manager plugins for Xfce panel but I don't see any new features. I'm mostly looking for the cpu frequency settings.
[22:10] <dydzEz2_> guys i figured out what happened
[22:10] <dydzEz2_> i pressed e to check out grubs config
[22:10] <dydzEz2_> $vt.handoff and that option was after quit splash
[22:10] <dydzEz2_> googled it and people are saying its at 7 so i just set it =7
[22:11] <dydzEz2_> whats it for? why did it show up after installing xubuntu restricted extras
[22:12] <dydzEz2_> taking it away completely also works
[23:20] <Glitchd> how can i get a script to be executed at boot, or login?
[23:21] <pleia2> Glitchd: what you want is under the Settings Manager > Session & Startup
[23:22] <pleia2> there you will find a list of applications and services that autostart when you log in, can start/stop them and add new ones
[23:22] <Glitchd> pleia2, yea, i tried that, and no dice.
[23:23] <pleia2> can you explain?
[23:23] <Glitchd> i wrote a script to run the program "x11vnc" and put that script in the autostart window. when i rebooted, it did not start.
[23:25] <pleia2> Glitchd: how do you typically run the script?
[23:25] <Glitchd> login with putty and go to terminal, then enter the command "x11vnc -forever -noxdamage"
[23:25] <Glitchd> pleia2, ^^
[23:25] <Unit193> Glitchd: Settings Manager > Session and Startup > Application autostart > Add.
[23:25] <pleia2> could be it's just failing in some way when it's launched via the startup menu and you'll want to write some debugging code to get it to output to a file whatever error it has
[23:26] <Glitchd> Unit193, ill give it another try, thx
[23:26] <g16> Glitchd: yea, you can append > ~/log.log 2>&1 after the script name
[23:26] <pleia2> thanks g16
[23:26] <knome> i'm wondering if scripts need to have the executable bit
[23:27] <SonikkuAmerica> knome: As in [ chmod ] them?
[23:27] <knome> SonikkuAmerica, yes, chmod +x filename
[23:28] <SonikkuAmerica> I would at least think so...
[23:35] <koegs> of course they ned the executable bit
[23:36] <Unit193> They ned it?
[23:36] <GermainZ> need *
[23:37] <koegs> "need", sorry, got a slow connection here, which results in errors like this when using screen+irssi and fast typing :)