[00:52] <ovidiu-florin> What is live session (Netbook) testcase? How should I test this? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[00:53] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: ^
[00:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you need to run it on a netbook
[00:56] <Riddell> it'll run plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> I can just set that in a live session
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> is the netbook necessary? isn't this enough?
[00:57] <yofel> not quite, unless someone fixed the default settings it'll be a bit different
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> so, if I don't have a netbook, I can't test this
[00:57] <yofel> but I'm not sure on what we were regarding keeping that
[00:58] <yofel> well, you can force your VM into a small screen mode
[00:58] <ovidiu-florin> is that a good enough test?
[00:58] <yofel> should be (I think)
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^^?
[00:59] <yofel> I can test it later on my netbook here too
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> ah, ok
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Morning guys :)
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try it and write the details in the comment
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Quick question - i am aware of the plasma-desktop thingy with it crashing constantly on login - do you know if there's been a fix released for that bug please?
[01:00] <BarkingFish> I'm sitting here on 393mb of updates, and I'm nervous about applying them in case I wind up locked out of plasma.  But - I don't want the pile to get much bigger...
[01:01] <yofel> BarkingFish: the bug # would help...
[01:02] <BarkingFish> that's just it. You were the first one to mention it, and I can't find you in my scrollback :(
[01:02] <BarkingFish> You had the bug number, and I can't find it on a straight text search through launchpad
[01:03] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: what's the resolution of a netbook?
[01:04] <ovidiu-florin> or should I go directly with 800x600?
[01:04] <yofel> 1024x600 usually I think
[01:05] <ovidiu-florin> and the live session should start in netbook mode automatically on boot if the resolution is small?
[01:06] <BarkingFish> yeah - 1024 * 600 on a regular 10.1in, or 1080*720 on a hi-def netbook
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm testing with 800x600 right now, I'll with that after
[01:08] <BarkingFish> gotcha, yofel - i just found it in a text search here, right at the start of my scrollback from this channel :) bug #1117365
[01:09] <BarkingFish> i just found ctrl+f in xchat :)
[01:09] <BarkingFish> and no, it doesn't look fixed. it's not even been commented on yet :(
[01:10] <BarkingFish> well I have 4.10 as part of the updates I need to apply, so I'm gonna have to leave them alone.  I'm not gonna lock myself out of plasma :)
[01:11] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I can't find it. How can I force VB to force a resolution on the virtual Machine?
[01:12] <yofel> hm, I don't think anyone has reproduced that one yet. 4.10 works fine on 3 PC's here
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> I think that happened to my brother ^
[01:14] <yofel> ouch :/
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> while he was updating the battery died
[01:14] <yofel> ...
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> and when he rebooted on login plasma crashed
[01:14] <yofel> well, that's hardly surprising then
[01:15] <BarkingFish> did he finish the updates?
[01:15] <BarkingFish> you can resume busted updates to fix them before you do anything else
[01:15] <smartboyhw> Good morning:)
[01:15] <ovidiu-florin> I fixed it by finishing the updates, installing kde-workspace (it wasn't installed) and deleteing ~/.kde
[01:15] <BarkingFish> morning smartboyhw :)
[01:16] <ovidiu-florin> my presumption is that kde-workspace got uninstalled to be updated, but the battery died just before it managed to do so...
[01:16] <ovidiu-florin> or something similar to that
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> could this be that bug?
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> or a similar casE?
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> this happened on a kubuntu 12.10
[01:19] <BarkingFish> ovidiu-florin, no.  This is basically you update to 4.10 and then everytime you try to launch plasma-desktop on login, it crashes out.  It looks kinda qt related, but I am very raw in kde's codebase. I know little and guess even less.
[01:19] <BarkingFish> I wouldn't touch this with thermal underwear and 12 inch thick gloves on.
[01:19] <ovidiu-florin> :)
[01:20] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll just test the installation, since I can't test the low resolution
[01:21] <ovidiu-florin> unless I change the host's resolution?
[01:22] <ovidiu-florin> nope, that doesn't work...
[01:27] <ovidiu-florin> how do I shutdown in netbook mode?
[01:31] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, do you have a terminal? sudo poweroff :P
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> or add the leave widget
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> and click on it
[01:32] <ovidiu-florin> nvmd http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases/854/results
[01:55] <ovidiu-florin> ok, finished 3 tests, I'm going to sleep now. Good night. (3:55 AM here)
[01:55] <BarkingFish> i'm going to head out too - 2.55am and my bed is calling :)
[02:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1085519] KDE SC 4.10 processes cookies differently than 4.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1085519 (by Marco Parillo)
[02:21] <valorie> wow, 4.10 upgrade was smooth, and it's beautiful
[02:21] <valorie> wow, 4.10 upgrade was smooth, and it's beautiful
[02:21] <valorie> oops, thanks for your hard work
[02:21] <valorie> silly buffer.....
[02:23] <smartboyhw> valorie, :)
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[10:04] <lordievader> Good morning :)
[12:09] <philwyett> Hi all. Just test laoded the 12.04.2 images. The desktop image is loading the 3.2.0 kernel and not the 3.5.0 as it should and the alternate disk is failing loading kernel modules thus everything like network detection fails if you continue. Are these isue being addresed or should I start filing bugs against these?
[12:09] <philwyett> s/isue/issues
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:41] <Riddell> philwyett: what makes you think it should be 3.5?
[12:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: happy new year
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx:)
[12:42] <philwyett> Riddell:  The 12.04.2 point release is supposed to be switching to the 3.5.0 kernel and updated mesa etc. LTS quantal stack. Or do Kubuntu not folow Ubuntu with this?
[12:43] <Riddell> philwyett: we do yes so it might need a seed change
[12:43] <Riddell> philwyett: I don't suppose you have a UEFI computer?
[12:44] <philwyett> Riddell: No.
[12:45] <Riddell> mm, I still don't know how to test that stuff
[12:46] <Riddell> philwyett: ok seeds updated to use linux-generic-lts-quantal
[12:46] <Riddell> thanks for spotting that
[12:47] <philwyett> Riddell: No problem. I will test when next ISO images come available.
[12:51] <lordievader> Is it correct that the release notes of 12.04.2 are not pointing to release notes but to news? Is this because it is not released yet?
[12:56] <philwyett> lordievader: Not seen release notes. Knew it is sheduled for release Thursday and then Riddell's cal for testing on the mailing list and work via QA site.
[12:57] <lordievader> philwyett: I ment in the test image. But if the release notes themselfs do not exist it isn't strange the link points to something else.
[13:00] <philwyett> lordievader: Not really a high issue on my todo at the minute for 12.04.2. Just installed the test Ubuntu image and while it does load the 3.5 kernel. It is not installing the mesa 9.0 etc. stil instaling mesa 8.0.4.
[13:01] <lordievader> Of course it is not a big issue, just thought it would be good to mention it.
[13:02] <philwyett> lordievader: There will be some reason and Ok indeed to mention it. Not got a clue myself.
[13:48] <yofel_> philwyett: where did it say that 12.04 was supposed to get mesa 0.9? The kernel did get a backport, but I can't see anything higher than mesa 8.0.4 for precise
[13:49] <yofel> hm
[13:49]  * yofel totally forgot about bug 1112227
[13:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh?
[13:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: if that's oh regards NM, we need this: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.de/2013/01/plasma-nm-0907.html
[13:50] <philwyett> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:50] <yofel> philwyett: thanks
[13:52] <philwyett> yofel: As I read it the quantal kernel is only to be supported with the rest of the stack (no mixing). So if quantal kernel is default, the the xorg and mesa should be quantal to at instal time.
[13:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: do you have time to work on it? otherwise I'll do it
[13:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, you do it.... I have Android source building here.
[13:53] <yofel> hehe, sure
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Sorry for that:P
[13:56] <yofel> "For the 12.04.2 CD's and DVD's, we will message that anyone installing and wishing to remain on the original 12.04 stack to please install from the 12.04.0 or 12.04.1 media and update. "
[13:56] <yofel> Riddell: we might want to put that on the download page ^
[13:57] <yofel> which would need an additional link to old-releases.ubuntu.com then
[14:02] <Riddell> mm yes
[14:02] <yofel> philwyett: you don't by chance know the full package list for the quantal backport stack
[14:02] <yofel> ?
[14:02] <Riddell> I wonder what else needs changed in the seed
[14:02] <yofel> as I also see xserver-xorg-core-lts-quantal
[14:02] <yofel> mesa-common-dev-lts-quantal
[14:03] <yofel> (now I'm out of ideas what to look for)
[14:03] <Riddell> I don't see those in the ubuntu.precise seeds
[14:03] <smartboyhw> That's a LOT
[14:03] <yofel> smartboyhw: well, that's pretty much the base hardware support stack
[14:03] <yofel> (a lot indeed)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> x11-xserver-utils-lts-quantal
[14:03] <smartboyhw> xserver-xorg-video-modesetting-lts-quantal
[14:04] <smartboyhw> BTW: in Launchpad 1 → 20 of 27400 pages matching "lts-quantal" 
[14:04] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[14:04] <yofel> this is what aptitude finds: http://paste.kde.org/668720
[14:05] <yofel> we probably only need half a dozen of those though
[14:05] <smartboyhw> yofel, we can compare it to our current seed:)
[14:06] <yofel> true
[14:06] <shadeslayer> or ... you know ... check the ubuntu seed
[14:07] <philwyett> yofel: Not sure the complete list. The stack is at min kernel, xorg and mesa. Kernel is known. Maybe bryce can list his side?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> No, check the ISOs' manifest
[14:08] <yofel> seed should be smaller than manifest
[14:11] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:23] <philwyett> Filed a bug about mesa and quantal stack for 12.04 and failed the ISO on QA.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> oh no;p
[14:26] <philwyett> lol Feel my pain. I have just had to install and run Ubuntu with unity for a while. <shudder>. ;-)
[15:03] <ovidiu-florin> Hello world, I just finished annother test on the new iso, and I found out that there was a new built allready, so the results I provided were useless. How can I find out when a new built is released, so that I don't do all these tests for nothing?
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> I'm reffering to the 12.04.2 build
[15:05] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, subscribe to it through ISO tracker
[15:05] <smartboyhw> In ISO Tracker click on the testcases for Kubuntu
[15:06] <smartboyhw> 'Precise 12.04.2' -> 'Kubuntu Desktop amd64'
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Tick all the testcases, and click 'Subscribe' under 'Actions'
[15:06] <smartboyhw> then you will receive the emails for newest builds
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yeah, kind of sucks when that happens
[15:10] <shadeslayer> but something went unnoticed and most of the kernel/X bits are apparently outdated
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> but not all tests were performed
[15:11] <shadeslayer> hm?
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> why was a new built created if not all tests were performed?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> because stuff was outdated ?
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> look: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[15:11] <shadeslayer> it doesn't matter if the tests were not performed
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> because stuff was outdated
[15:12] <shadeslayer> stuff = X and kernel bits from what I can tell from the log
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> where's the ISO tracker?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, dumb iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> I was there.. 
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> ahaaaa
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank's
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, LOL
[15:16] <yofel> Riddell: did you update the seeds?
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> what's precise daily?
[15:20] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, don't care for it now please:P
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> ok...
[15:21] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, it is normally for daily image testing. Between 12.04.1 and 12.04.2 (and 12.04.2 and 12.04.3) the dailies are kept being built and people can submit results of testing of these dailies (no one would normally thougu)
[15:22] <ovidiu-florin> becouse they are submitted two often?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, yes
[15:24] <smartboyhw> And probably people care more about the raring images:P
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> allways for the new version
[15:27] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, OF COURSE
[16:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you order dem tablets?
[19:09] <Riddell> yofel: I switched to linux-generic-lts-quantal in the seeds
[19:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah I did
[19:11] <yofel> Riddell: and the rest? kernel 3.5 + mesa 8 isn't supported by ubuntu
[19:12] <yofel> so we need to switch everything or nothing
[21:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see. We've got to do plasma builds then
[21:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ up for it?
[22:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: plasma builds?
[22:55] <Riddell> yofel: I didn't see a mesa change in the seed but I'll look closer tomorrow
[22:58] <yofel> Riddell: hm, true. Needs a closer look indeed
[22:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: like ARM builds
[22:58] <Quintasan> so we can actually install it there
[22:58] <Quintasan> plasma active I mean
[23:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: we have arm builds on raring
[23:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: I installed it fine on the nexus but touch doesn't work on qml
[23:00] <Riddell> which is a bit of a limitation
[23:01] <philwyett> Riddell yofel: The update is more than just mesa of course. It's xorg, drm, wayland and many others by what can be seen. But see bug 1121179 as todays ubuntu ISO is installing the 3.5 kernel but none of the other packages.
[23:02] <yofel> well. That would be a bug in the seed though. not mesa
[23:03] <Riddell> yeah suggests there's something else to do done in the seeds I didn't see
[23:03] <Riddell> I'll look tomorrow unless someone else gets there first
[23:03] <yofel> philwyett: poke around in #ubuntu-quality to make sure someone noticed
[23:04] <philwyett> I will tomorow. Also the page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack section 9 sub 1. Heper packages for upgrades. I'd love to know what they are. ;-)
[23:04] <philwyett> s/Heper/Helper
[23:10] <philwyett> yofel: Ok, asked in #ubuntu-quality. Saw the time and I have some before I go to bed. :-)
[23:22] <yofel> thanks, it would be good to get this cleared up as it seems like most main and flavour seeds only ship the new kernel (if anything new at all)
[23:22] <philwyett> Somethig you may want to read that I have found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-xorg-lts-updates
[23:24] <yofel> lot's still TODO there considering we're 3 days away from 12.04.2...
[23:25] <philwyett> Yes. I have emailed Canonical regarding this and as you say how close we are to release day and not much time to QA the ISO images once al seems to be fixed.