[00:03] i'm not a big IRC user, how can I filter out all these system msgs like "blah joined", "blah left", etc. ? [00:03] doh, wrong channel, sorry. === zequence_ is now known as zequence === fenris is now known as Guest52920 === fenris is now known as Guest11938 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === doko_ is now known as doko === fenris is now known as Guest64189 === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [18:33] Hi [18:54] o/ coffeecat [18:54] and elfy [19:02] meeting time... [19:02] we'll have a little wait and see if s.fox turns up [19:02] beat me to the post there Iowan [19:08] What's the meeting about? [19:08] Forum Council monthly meeting [19:09] * jacob dances [19:09] (as is customary while waiting for meetings in #ubuntu-meeting) [19:09] lol [19:12] #startmeeting Forum Council monthly meeting [19:12] Meeting started Sun Feb 10 19:12:12 2013 UTC. The chair is elfy. 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[19:12] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Forum Council monthly meeting Meeting | Current topic: [19:12] agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda [19:12] #voters Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy [19:12] Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy [19:13] #topic minimal staff requirements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Forum Council monthly meeting Meeting | Current topic: minimal staff requirements [19:13] ok - think that's that done - so minimal staff requirements as per the discussion we've already had [19:14] oh hang on :) [19:14] #topic FC meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Forum Council monthly meeting Meeting | Current topic: FC meeting [19:14] #subtopic minimal staff requirements [19:15] as far as I'm aware that's been discussed by staff - anyone want to add anything [19:15] not really. [19:16] I thinks it's been discussed enough [19:16] I just ran through a quick review [19:16] I think we just need to vote it to make it "official" [19:17] * elfy too [19:17] Iowan: you ok with that? [19:17] ++++ [19:18] Just waiting for ely to find the "vote" button. [19:18] *Elfy [19:18] #vote Accept the minimal staff requirements as discussed in forum [19:18] Please vote on: Accept the minimal staff requirements as discussed in forum [19:18] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:18] +1 [19:18] +1 received from elfy [19:18] +1 [19:18] +1 received from Iowan [19:18] +1 [19:18] +1 received from coffeecat [19:18] +1 [19:18] +1 received from cariboo907 [19:18] #endvote [19:18] Voting ended on: Accept the minimal staff requirements as discussed in forum [19:18] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:18] Motion carried [19:19] #subtopic Place for users to discuss Agenda Items [19:19] ... gotta go look... [19:19] OK - so I'm off the opinion that we should provide a place on forum so users can have somewhere to discuss agenda items [19:20] Perhaps a single sticky thread for each agenda item in FF&H, but it'll make the sticky area cluttered. [19:20] +1, as usually all the links are to discussions in SCC [19:20] Not sure of the detail - perhaps a stuck thread we can use to index threads in FFH then seperate threads [19:20] how about that ^^ coffeecat ? [19:20] elfy - that's better - 1 sticky linked to discussions threads. [19:21] we can then link staff threads and user threads in agenda as well [19:21] yes - that works for me [19:21] That's what I 'd like to see [19:21] seems logical [19:22] I'm unsure of details- hafta see it, I guess. [19:22] There is link to agenda - should dthat expand? [19:23] not sure what you mean Iowan [19:23] Me either... I just noticed link in Ubuntu Community Discussions [19:23] That links to aenda wiki page [19:24] ... but you're talking FF&H link/sticky [19:24] oic - no - we'd have a index stuck in FFH - then we can just use normal threads for users to actually discuss agenda items [19:24] all the links in the agenda lead to SCC, we'd like the forum membership to be able to discuss agenda items [19:24] as it is most of the links in agenda are only any good for staff [19:25] cariboo907: thanks +1 [19:25] FTR, an agenda discussion area is a good idea [19:25] ok [19:25] vote then? [19:25] yes [19:25] yes [19:26] Yep - details tbd [19:26] no - we have some details I think ^^^ [19:26] #vote Create stuck index in FFH then create threads as required for forum users to discuss items [19:26] Please vote on: Create stuck index in FFH then create threads as required for forum users to discuss items [19:26] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:26] +1 [19:26] +1 received from Iowan [19:26] +1 [19:26] +1 received from cariboo907 [19:26] +1 [19:26] +1 received from elfy [19:26] +1 [19:26] +1 received from coffeecat [19:26] #endvote [19:26] Voting ended on: Create stuck index in FFH then create threads as required for forum users to discuss items [19:26] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:26] Motion carried [19:27] #subtopic Username Changes [19:27] ok - I propose we formally stop the embargo on username changes [19:27] allow one change of they want it [19:28] see how it goes - if it's too much - then go back to not doing it [19:28] * with reason [19:28] I'd not want to see us changing people more than once - enough reason for me :) [19:28] Interesting request in RC which Iowan fielded. I agree with what Iowan said. We need to say to these people if we change your username to your real name, you are stuck with it. [19:28] I don't have a problem with that, just so we don't have some members changing their user name, as often as they change their socks [19:29] (maybe more) [19:29] cariboo907: we say at outset we'll not do it [19:29] I know, this was just FTR :) [19:29] we could rewrite the sticky. [19:29] maybe change CoC [19:30] coffeecat: at least that [19:30] I don't necessarily wanna forbid >1 change, but don't wanna advertise it. [19:30] I'd rather say 1 now - rather than the piecemeal thing we have at present [19:31] I agree - 1 change - that's it otherwise some would abuse it. [19:31] So we could spell out - if you want a trivial change, that's it. [19:32] I can agree to that [19:32] As currently, I'd opt for "special cases", but officially ... [19:32] this is the problem [19:32] Even first change is subject to a "vanity clause" [19:33] as it stands we've got threads where one says yes then 2 days later someone else says no [19:33] Isn't that what most name changes are for, vanity? [19:33] one change should be enough imo [19:33] cariboo907: +1 [19:34] I can't see any reason for more than one [19:34] that's enough to warrant expecting someone else to take time out of their day to do it [19:36] I'm +1 on softening restriction - it's the degree that is in question [19:37] I don't necessarily wanna post a "First namechange free!" announcement, either [19:37] well no - neither would I [19:37] I don't think we have to - simply revamp the sticky [19:37] That part sounds good [19:38] (sneak up on it) [19:38] And if people ask for trivial change or change to real name, ask: are you absolutely sure? Because when it's done, it's done. [19:38] if it becomes too much of a problem - we just go back anyway, I don't think the sticky was the result of anything but a discussion elsewhere [19:38] especially seeing as most members ignore the stickies :) [19:38] lol [19:38] lol [19:38] stickies? We have stickies? [19:38] * coffeecat votes for post-dated stickies! [19:38] :) [19:40] so - do we have enough to work with, relax current state of name changes - ensure user knows they've got one bite, change back if it becomes necessary? [19:40] I think we have enough - draft a sticky and agree text in ml perhaps. [19:40] +1 let's get rules softened - ali'l [19:40] I'd say yes to that [19:40] k [19:41] * Iowan awaits vote [19:41] #vote Relax username change rule, follow up in the future if necessary [19:41] Please vote on: Relax username change rule, follow up in the future if necessary [19:41] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:41] +1 [19:41] +1 received from elfy [19:41] +1 [19:41] +1 received from Iowan [19:41] +1 [19:41] +1 received from cariboo907 [19:41] +1 [19:41] +1 received from coffeecat [19:41] #endvote [19:41] Voting ended on: Relax username change rule, follow up in the future if necessary [19:41] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:41] Motion carried [19:42] #subtopic Discussion on #ubuntuforums IRC channel moderation [19:42] not sure Lord of Time is here to discuss this [19:42] I have no opinion on this, as I don't spend enough time on IRC [19:43] my opinion is there's not really any need to do anything - the few times it's a problem doesn't warrant any official response in my opinion [19:43] I get the feeling that there is not much appetite for this beyond encouraging mods to hang out in #ubuntuforums and help if necessary [19:43] It shouldn't be part of the "official" task [19:43] imo [19:44] agreed [19:44] If necessary, someone (CC?) may need to "hire" IRC moderators - as it isn't REALLY the forum [19:44] I'm happy enough to shelve this - if lot want's to follow up he can [19:45] +1 [19:45] +1 [19:45] +1 [19:45] Iowan: up to a point I agree, the only real issue is we allow a certain amount of 'freeplay' there [19:45] table it! [19:45] vote on doing nothing for the time being then :) [19:45] lol [19:46] fwiw, anyone with the ubuntu/member/* mask can op in #ubuntuforums [19:46] jacob: thanks [19:46] I think lol [19:46] * elfy foresees madness [19:47] #vote Leave #ubuntuforums channel moderation for LoT to revisit if needed [19:47] Please vote on: Leave #ubuntuforums channel moderation for LoT to revisit if needed [19:47] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:47] +1 [19:47] +1 received from elfy [19:47] +1 [19:47] +1 received from cariboo907 [19:47] +1 [19:47] +1 received from coffeecat [19:47] +1 [19:47] +1 received from Iowan [19:47] #endvote [19:47] Voting ended on: Leave #ubuntuforums channel moderation for LoT to revisit if needed [19:47] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:47] Motion carried [19:48] (actually, i might be wrong about the ubuntu/member thing, that used to be there, but isn't now) [19:48] #subtopic Referral links on ubuntuforums [19:48] sure, NOW you mention it :) [19:48] jacob: ok [19:48] :D :D :D [19:49] coffeecat can lead on this one :) [19:49] OK - just getting my head round it. [19:50] three bits: referral links in sigs, referral links from new members who have signed up to spam forum with link, and post links form extablished members. Is this a good way of dividing up the subject? [19:50] #2 seems obvious. [19:51] yea - logical to me [19:51] and #2 is obvious [19:51] works for me [19:51] I'll say straight up I'm not comfortable with referral links in sigs even with estabished members. [19:52] sig links at least require 25 previous posts... [19:52] although that's more of a permanent as [19:52] trouble with sig links is that they appear in every post - obvious I know - but it's spammy, imo [19:52] *ad [19:52] we've had them as long as I've been a member of the forum [19:53] (We've had spammers, too ;) [19:53] Ubuntu One now has referrals too [19:54] That's unfortunate, as it's officially sanctioned. [19:54] Kinda sets a precedent [19:55] that's why I feel we should allow referral links in sigs, but ban someone that only joins to provide a link [19:55] perhaps make it a perk if you've got as far as being registered users plus ... [19:55] possibly not a precedent - Ubuntu1 on referrals says family and friends. I'll see if I can find link. [19:55] that would work for me [19:55] however [19:55] I would not want to have hundreds of reports just to deal with sig links [19:56] coffeecat, https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/referral-program-terms/ [19:56] https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/referral-program-terms/ - quite clearly family and friends so I don't think a precedent for forum. [19:57] especially given "must not send any referral request in violation of applicable law (e.g. spam)" [19:57] ok - it goes onto say publicly [19:57] CoC comes to mind... [19:59] with the stipulation that you must disclose that you are getting extra storage, that may take more than 3 lines in a sig :) [20:00] Home pages can also be problems... but they, too, have been around longer than I have. (back on topic) [20:00] horny subject this is turning into [20:01] we may need to discuss this more, before voting on it [20:01] yea [20:01] I'd suggest we table it until our next meeting [20:01] at least we can discuss parts further perhaps [20:01] +1 We'r into overtime [20:01] +1 for more debate in SCC. [20:02] ok [20:02] #vote Referral links - table for further discussion [20:02] Please vote on: Referral links - table for further discussion [20:02] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [20:02] =1 [20:02] +1 [20:02] +1 received from Iowan [20:02] +1 [20:02] +1 received from cariboo907 [20:02] +1 [20:02] +1 received from elfy [20:02] +1 [20:02] +1 received from coffeecat [20:02] #endvote [20:02] Voting ended on: Referral links - table for further discussion [20:02] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:02] Motion carried [20:02] #subtopic Forum Upgrade [20:03] this subject could take as long as the other 4 or 5 ... [20:03] perhaps not... [20:03] :)_ [20:03] first up is the proposed date [20:04] at present we are hoping to do this at the end of February [20:05] coffeecat: can you do the points - I've forgotten where we were with trying to drive the bot :| [20:05] Is there anything that will stop this from happening? [20:05] cariboo907: nothing major [20:05] deej - one of the sysadmins - is seeing if IS can do 28th Feb (Thurs). [20:05] aside from the user name location? [20:05] 08:00 UTC start. Needs up to 8 hours.... [20:06] So hopefully done by 16:00 UTC on the Thurs. [20:06] THen we start picking up the pieces. :/ [20:07] cariboo907, there are some usability issues still outstanding on staging, but no real show-stoppers... [20:07] cariboo907 Iowan - the thinking being that if we try and do it UK time we havew 3/5ths of us about while it's going on [20:07] If we wait till we've fixed them all, it'll be the turn of the next millenium... [20:07] that worksd for me, as I'm at work during those hours, and off Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday [20:07] cariboo907, that's great.. [20:07] excellent - so we'd have 4/5ths kind of about for the few days following [20:08] apart from fidlling in admincp, we'll need people with experience of staging to help users in FF&H... [20:08] UK time makes sense [20:08] coffeecat: +1 [20:09] I'm gonna be climbing another learning curve, too. [20:09] I would say that the most important decision we need to make is [20:09] elfy - suggest we make another pleas to any modertaors here atm to get into staging and find their way around. [20:10] do we hold back on the upgrade for 'little' issues - or deal with those after upgrade [20:10] if they are 'little issues' I say lets do it [20:10] We've been waiting for these upgrades since...??? [20:10] cariboo907 Iowan - we have things like tags not showing in forum view without mouseover [20:10] mark thread as solved not working.... [20:10] I say - go forward - deal with those things afterwards [20:10] coffeecat: +1 [20:10] user profile in wrong place in posts.... [20:11] But none of these are showstoppers imo [20:11] that seems to be the thing we are dealing with - are things mods to templates or addons [20:11] does the main page still default to the activity view? (instead of the forum list) [20:11] jacob: no [20:11] elfy: good good, that was my only gripe :) [20:12] jacob: if the last time you looked then it will look much different now :) [20:12] editing my hosts file as we speak [20:12] jacob - it looks like a usable forum now! ;-) [20:12] or type [20:13] I presume these little issues will still be attacked - even if date is set... [20:13] Iowan: yea - priorities [20:13] Iowan - the way I see it is the little outstanding issues a re little different in kind from the sort of things we need to attend to week by week. The forum is always in flux. [20:14] as and aside any ubuntu member who gained membership by way of forum activity is welcome to check out the staging forum - send a PM via forum to one of the admins [20:14] ooh, that looks nice. some bits and bobs weird with the theme, but it's looking great otherwise [20:14] I've had a couple of pm's from ubuntu members [20:14] coffeecat: My point, exactly. [20:15] jacob: the dots will change - hiccup I think :) [20:15] cariboo907: yea - think I got about 6 [20:15] * coffeecat admits mea culpa on the dors. I pointed Merk at the wrong graphic. Sackcloth and ashes here. [20:15] :D [20:15] *dots* [20:15] I wasn't pointing fingers coffeecat :) [20:15] lol [20:16] time moving on now - we were late and now at an hour :) [20:16] elfy - I think wheels have been set in motion for 28th.... [20:17] coffeecat: I know deej was going to post to ticket re date after talking to IS [20:17] do we need to vote on an official date to do the upgrade? [20:17] Does this item require anything official? [20:17] coffeecat: do we wait for end of 11th - then post [20:17] (out-typed) [20:17] I suggest we only need to vote if there is any objection to 28th... [20:17] cariboo907 Iowan - I think we need to vote on a couple of things [20:17] Of course we don't know yet whether IS can do the 28th [20:18] date and moving anyway if the only things stopping upgrade are 'niggles' [20:18] k ?? [20:18] jono: you might want to look into the forum upgrade issues as well - being community manager ;) [20:18] +1 on the date, and if there are only niggles, +1 too [20:19] 2 votes or one? [20:19] 2 [20:19] ok [20:19] same answer, though [20:20] #vote Approach IS to upgrade live forum on 28 Feb - starting aty 08:00UTC [20:20] Please vote on: Approach IS to upgrade live forum on 28 Feb - starting aty 08:00UTC [20:20] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [20:20] +1 [20:20] +1 received from cariboo907 [20:20] +1 [20:20] +1 received from Iowan [20:20] +1 [20:20] +1 received from coffeecat [20:20] +1 [20:20] +1 received from elfy [20:20] #endvote [20:20] Voting ended on: Approach IS to upgrade live forum on 28 Feb - starting aty 08:00UTC [20:20] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:20] Motion carried [20:20] Does that actually answer the wne vote? [20:21] *2nd [20:22] #vote Upgrade forum to vB4 regardless of small theme/addon issues - further discussion in staff area if needed [20:22] Please vote on: Upgrade forum to vB4 regardless of small theme/addon issues - further discussion in staff area if needed [20:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [20:22] +1 [20:22] +1 received from cariboo907 [20:22] +1 [20:22] +1 [20:22] +1 received from Iowan [20:22] +1 received from coffeecat [20:22] +1 [20:22] +1 received from elfy [20:22] #endvote [20:22] Voting ended on: Upgrade forum to vB4 regardless of small theme/addon issues - further discussion in staff area if needed [20:22] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:22] Motion carried [20:23] ok - I think the only things left are the division of labour/team report [20:23] we can do those in admin channel or SCC imho [20:23] +1 [20:23] lets... [20:23] +1 [20:24] Iowan: lets +1 ? or lets something else :) [20:24] didn't know it was a vote... OK +1 [20:24] it's not :p [20:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:24] Meeting ended Sun Feb 10 20:24:45 2013 UTC. [20:24] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-10-19.12.moin.txt [20:24] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-10-19.12.html [20:24] OK - lets do those in admin channel or SCC imho [20:25] yep - that was my hope :)