[00:57] <kermit> has anyone ever connverted an existing badly mismanaged non dpkg based system to ubuntu by installing apt?
[01:07] <qman__> what?
[01:08] <kermit> i inherited 1000 gentoo systems
[01:17] <qman__> there's no such thing as 'converting' another system to ubuntu
[01:17] <qman__> apt only works because it manages everything
[01:17] <SpamapS> kermit: perhaps whoever left them to you should have taken them to the grave instead... :)
[01:17] <qman__> you can't just tack it on and expect anything to improve
[01:17] <SpamapS> kermit: you are going to be better off replacing the systems one by one with clean installs
[01:18] <qman__> portage isn't awful, but that assumes the previous maintainer stuck to portage
[01:18] <qman__> lots of people don't
[01:18] <qman__> so yes, the only solution is to replace it system by system
[01:19] <SpamapS> with 1000 systems.. frankly even using apt is dicey without some kind of unifying configuration management
[01:19] <qman__> yeah
[01:19] <qman__> you need to put together your roles and standardize at the very least
[01:19] <qman__> even if you don't use a large scale software management solution, you need standard builds
[01:20] <SpamapS> Its just a nightmare if you have a problem and the answer isn't to just do a clean install and throw your usual tools at it.
[01:20] <qman__> right
[01:21] <qman__> you have to make those decisions up front in how you're going to do things
[01:21] <qman__> even if they're not ideal for each situation
[01:22] <qman__> I actually just put together the first version of a debian build we're going to use for our LaCie NASes at work
[01:22] <qman__> and we only have a couple hundred of them
[01:22] <qman__> took a couple weeks
[01:24] <SpamapS> qman__: "build" meaning something you can repeat with one command?
[01:24] <qman__> not quite but close, it's an image, we copy it to a flash drive
[01:24] <qman__> set up boot order, run a setup script
[01:24] <SpamapS> ^5 yeah thats the way to scale out
[01:25] <qman__> it auto configures raid based on the number of drives
[01:25] <qman__> auto installs our labtech agent for management
[01:25] <qman__> sets up hostname and mail and all
[01:26] <qman__> we have a bunch of lacies but it could really be used on any x86 device with evenly sized hard drives
[02:35] <verticalvoid> anyone know why when i telnet into my database i'm using for my mail server that when i run the command "SELECT INBOX" Unable to open this mailbox, but I am able to SELECT INBOX.Sent ?
[02:43] <patdk-lap> that doesn't make any sense
[02:43] <patdk-lap> you can't telnet into a database
[02:43] <patdk-lap> sounds more like your telnetting into imap
[03:32] <verticalvoid> ok, that's what i'm doing.  sure why not.
[03:33] <verticalvoid> *shrugs* i dunno.  first time attempting installing a homeserver and wanted to try to set up mail on it.  excuse me for improper use of terminology. :S
[03:33] <verticalvoid> but, yes, i am using telnet localhost imap to get in there
[11:52] <Koheleth> anyone got a small transparent ubuntu server logo?
[14:12] <alimj> Question: I need a file system that supports "Transparent Compression" to store lot's of text files. Inasmuch as EXT* won't do that, what is your recommendaton? Btrfs (Oracle) is still in beta phase, Reiser4 implementation appears to be complicated?!
[14:13] <alimj> Or possibly I have to forget compression at all?
[14:17] <patdk-lap> I only know of ywo things
[14:18] <patdk-lap> use a fuse compression layer ontop of any fs
[14:18] <patdk-lap> or use zfs
[14:18] <alimj> patdk-lap: Thanks. Will look into that
[16:06] <alimj> patdk-lap: Checked both zfs and fuse. I am going with fuse. It appears that zfs has compliance issues with GPL. I wish that Kernel supported a native filesystem with transparent compression though. Thanks again
[16:29] <JanC> alimj: btrfs has transparent compression and is close to be considered stable
[16:29] <JanC> some distros will use it by default soon...
[16:30] <JanC> depends on how critical your use of it is, of course
[16:45] <RoyK> JanC: achem - "closte to be considered stable" is subjective
[16:45] <RoyK> alimj: there's a native port http://zfsonlinux.org/
[16:45] <RoyK> dunno how stable it is, though
[16:46] <alimj> JanC: Thanks. I was considering btrfs (mentioned in 1st message). However, since it is still in development (by Oracle), we have to wait
[16:46] <RoyK> zfs under fuse works ok, but write speeds tend to suck rather badly
[16:46] <JanC> RoyK: it's as subjective as considering ext4 stable  ;)
[16:46] <RoyK> JanC: no, it's not
[16:46] <RoyK> JanC: ext4 is used by thousands upon thousands of machines out there, whereas btrfs still changes the ondisk formats
[16:47] <JanC> ext4 has been seeing lots of bugs
[16:47] <RoyK> JanC: btrfs is still on the bleeding edge
[16:47] <RoyK> well, of course, there are bugs
[16:47] <RoyK> but not comparible
[16:47] <RoyK> if you want to run btrfs, make sure you recompile kernel and btrfsprogs once a week or so
[16:48] <JanC> it's difficult to compare if you don't test servers with either of them
[16:48] <RoyK> if you ask for help on an issue, running ubuntu 12.10 or perhaps 12.04, they will ask you to install the latest bleeding-edge kernel/userspace from git
[16:49] <RoyK> JanC: well, I have 100+ servers on ext4 and a few test machines with btrfs. there are far more issues with those 3(?) btrfs machines than with the rest of the server park
[16:49] <RoyK> so I guess I can compare
[16:49] <alimj> OK, we currently have more than necessary good and reliable choices. I will use fuse until BtrFS is finalized ... :)
[16:50] <RoyK> alimj: I gues that'll happen somewhere around 2017
[16:50] <alimj> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:50] <JanC> RoyK: well, that might be some good comparison point
[16:50] <JanC> RoyK: depending on how you use both  ☺
[16:50] <RoyK> raid-[56] support was announced some 3.5 years back and the first git tree with the code was announced a month back
[16:50] <RoyK> in btrfs
[16:51] <RoyK> and it doesnæt work too well
[16:51] <JanC> I wouldn't use RAID 5/6 with btrfs right now
[16:51] <RoyK> btrfs development doesn't happen too quickly
[16:51] <RoyK> JanC: well, I've just tested it in a vm, was a bit curious
[16:52] <JanC> RoyK: I mean, I wouldn't use it in production
[16:52] <RoyK> JanC: I used to run some 100TiB zfs machines in my last job
[16:52] <RoyK> on openindiana
[16:52] <RoyK> if you need zfs, better use something like illumos or freebsd
[16:52] <JanC> what I mean is: some parts of btrfs might be stable enough for certain purposes
[16:53] <RoyK> JanC: sure, but how can you know which parts?
[16:53] <RoyK> it's a lottery
[16:53] <JanC> testing  ☺
[16:53] <RoyK> better not use btrfs for something in production...
[16:54] <RoyK> use ext4 or xfs
[16:54] <JanC> and obviously, things that have been tested by others might be a good indication
[16:55] <JanC> e.g. have a look at what SuSE will support
[16:55] <patdk-lap> personally, I'm doing ext4 ontop of zfs volume
[16:55] <patdk-lap> so I get compression, without any ugly linux mess
[18:12] <blackjack> hy all
[18:14] <blackjack> I'm still confused with this topology, in my ubuntu server using 2 nic, one onboard headed to swith, the second nic toward mikrotik, mikrotik ip 192.168.1.2, http://postimage.org/image/91p7e8eyj/
[18:14] <blackjack> i want to make proxy squid mode bridge, can help my :(
[18:16] <alimj> blackjack: Do you mean that you require a transparent proxy?
[18:17] <blackjack> alimj, yeah right , can help my sir plz
[18:18] <RoyK> blackjack: squid won't bridge, it will proxy
[18:18] <RoyK> blackjack: to make your linux box a router, setup nat
[18:18] <RoyK> routing+nat
[18:18] <RoyK> pretty easy
[18:18] <blackjack> RoyK, how to ?
[18:19] <blackjack> RoyK, im using mikrotik+ubuntuserver for proxy
[18:20] <alimj> blackjack: Let's clarify. What do you really want 1) Share internet 2) Share and cache content
[18:20] <RoyK> blackjack: tried googling that?
[18:21] <blackjack> alimj, number two share and cache content, i use squid/lusca
[18:21] <blackjack> RoyK, already sir
[18:21] <RoyK> http://bit.ly/UU4uJi
[18:22] <blackjack> alimj, and RoyK so far I only use 1 nic and now I'm going to try the method bridges, by using the 2 nic, but im confuse
[18:22] <RoyK> what are you trying to do?
[18:22] <RoyK> single nic to router and then another to your home lan?
[18:22] <alimj> blackjack: Then you require routing+nat+transparrent squid+ip tables. It is a long story. Not easy to say on IRC
[18:23] <alimj> RoyK: I think he wants to NAT but meanwhile, cache HTTP content.
[18:24] <RoyK> routing is easy, nat is pretty easy (with iptables), transparent squid proxy is very easy (with iptables) after a quick google search
[18:24] <blackjack> alimj, yeah i now, before im using 1 nic, this http://images01.olx.co.id/ui/15/75/41/1319911088_270737441_2-JASA-SETTING-ROUTER-MIKROTIK-SQUID-EXTERNAL-PROXY-SERVER-Bisa-di-Set-Dari-jarak-Jauh-Pekan-Baru.jpg
[18:24] <blackjack> now il try this http://postimage.org/image/91p7e8eyj/
[18:25] <blackjack> so ?
[18:25] <RoyK> oh, mikrotik - I guess you want to configure that router to use the squid proxy?
[18:25] <RoyK> or not
[18:26] <RoyK> just saw that last image
[18:26] <RoyK> well, first of all, configure the two NICs on different subnets
[18:26] <RoyK> setup NAT
[18:26] <RoyK> setup transparent proxying
[18:27] <RoyK> if you bridge, you wan't be able to control traffic that easily
[18:27] <qman__> you can do it as a bridge
[18:27] <qman__> http://freecode.com/articles/configuring-a-transparent-proxywebcache-in-a-bridge-using-squid-and-ebtables
[18:27] <qman__> it's not easy but it's doable
[18:27] <RoyK> as I said "not that easily"
[18:28] <blackjack> no, I use a mikrotik to share the bandwidth, and I'm using ubuntu server as a proxy
[18:28] <RoyK> and imho there's no point of bridging if you can use nat
[18:28] <qman__> reduced complexity, drop-in replacement
[18:28] <blackjack> qman__, RoyK alimj what the best, 1 nic or 2 nic
[18:29] <RoyK> blackjack: just setup a different ip subnet for the second nic
[18:29] <RoyK> enable nat
[18:29] <alimj> I would say NAT with 2 nics
[18:29] <RoyK> when that works, go further with transparent proxying
[18:29] <blackjack> hmm meaby i know
[18:30] <alimj> With 1 nic, users can setup IPs manually and connect to your mikrotik directly (bypassing Squid entirly)
[18:30] <RoyK> if you have 10.10.10.0/24 on the wan side of that server, setup 10.10.11.0/24 on the other (or something)
[18:30] <blackjack> pic just example, this my config
[18:31] <RoyK> pastebin it
[18:33] <blackjack> http://dpaste.com/918731/
[18:35] <RoyK> blackjack: just drop the bridging
[18:35] <alimj> blackjack: It is already too late here. I have to go. Hope the others would help. Good luck
[18:35] <RoyK> blackjack: setup eth0 on 192.168.1.250 and eth1 on 192.168.2.250 (or something) and configure nat
[18:38] <alimj> RoyK: I think that he could mix these two solutions: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-setup-transparent-proxy-squid-howto.html    &    http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/ubuntu-12-04-ipv4-nat-gateway-and-dhcp-server/
[18:38] <blackjack> RoyK, alimj i use this config http://dpaste.com/918734/
[18:38] <blackjack> on rc.local
[18:39] <blackjack> whether this is true ?
[18:39] <RoyK> blackjack: and I would recommend against using a bridge - as alimj posted
[18:39] <RoyK> blackjack: anyway, using rc.local for configuring network isn't really a good idea
[18:40] <RoyK> better do it properly in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:40] <alimj> RoyK: It is too complex. Too much for IRC. Blackjack: Follow those two posts. 1st setup Nat mode and then setup transparent cache proxy for HTTP (Port 80)
[18:41] <RoyK> blackjack: really, get rid of that config in rc.local, and setup the two nics with addresses on different networks
[18:41] <RoyK> enable routing
[18:41] <RoyK> enable nat
[18:41] <blackjack> alimj, my My proxy is running, I just want to use the bridge method
[18:41] <RoyK> when that works, enable transparent proxy
[18:41] <blackjack> RoyK, ok
[18:42] <alimj> OK. Then I have to say goodbye and wish you all good luck :) See you
[18:42] <RoyK> nite, alimj
[18:42] <blackjack> thank you RoyK alimj :D
[18:46] <miker> Yeah, I need big help.
[18:48] <miker> It has to do with ubuntu server networking setup, I have a thread on Ubuntu Forums with more information.
[18:49] <miker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12497490
[18:49] <miker> If someone could just look at that, and possibly help me or direct me to help. That'd be amazing.
[18:52] <RoyK> miker: packet loss? does ifconfig report it?
[18:52] <RoyK> btw, you should add a netmask to ifconfig
[18:53] <RoyK> or to /etc/network/interfaces
[18:53] <miker> How do I know if ifconfig reports it?
[18:53] <RoyK> pastebin ifconfig -a
[18:54] <miker> Once sec.
[18:55] <RoyK> !pastebinit
[18:55] <miker> I'll add "netmask 255.255.255.0" then try it.
[18:55] <RoyK> it won't help your problem
[18:55] <qman__> honestly, it's probably a defect in the switch
[18:56] <RoyK> qman__: the ifconfig output from that post shows no bad packages
[18:56] <miker> But when I have it hooked up to my windows computer it works flawlessly no packet loss at all.
[18:56] <qman__> if you watch a tcpdump/wireshark capture and see a bunch of random garbage, that'll confirm it
[18:56] <RoyK> s/packages/packets/
[18:56] <qman__> oh, no errors/dropped?
[18:57] <RoyK> monitoring the switch may help as well
[18:57] <RoyK> but, miker, pastebin ifconfig -a first
[19:00] <Sendoushi> been starting to use ubuntu and having some fun with it. Now i want to do a virtual machine for a home server. i'm a developer which wants to try out the development on my own network. Talking about LAMP and Node.js. Should I go with ubuntu or server or... even devian?
[19:00] <RoyK> doesn't matter much
[19:00] <RoyK> depends what you like
[19:01] <Sendoushi> what would be the main difference in your point of view?
[19:01] <RoyK> starting out with a 12.04 server (or perhaps 12.10 if it's only for development) should do
[19:01] <RoyK> Sendoushi: about the same difference as between blondes and brunettes
[19:01] <qman__> the difference is the default set of packages and the release schedule
[19:01] <Sendoushi> eheh
[19:01] <qman__> you can do pretty much whatever you want with both
[19:02] <Sendoushi> i don't know much about the linux terminal and such but... i guess i'll try a ubuntu server
[19:02] <Sendoushi> it doesnt hurt to try!
[19:02] <RoyK> nope
[19:02] <Sendoushi> i already have a ubuntu desktop installed also
[19:03] <qman__> one thing you will quickly learn is that server applications are administered by the command line
[19:03] <RoyK> ubuntu desktop is merely ubuntu server with a ton of X stuff
[19:04] <qman__> it's not that difficult though, don't let it scare you off
[19:04] <Sendoushi> i kind of like the command line ehehe
[19:04] <RoyK> good
[19:04] <Sendoushi> just get to get used to it
[19:05] <RoyK> it's got a rather steep learning curve, but once you know it, well, it makes things rather much easier
[19:05] <qman__> use the tab key
[19:05] <qman__> it is your friend
[19:05] <Sendoushi> tab key?
[19:05] <Sendoushi> aaah ok ehehe
[19:05] <Sendoushi> to get stuff already there :)
[19:05] <Sendoushi> i use it on sublime text ehehe
[19:05] <Sendoushi> or even c++
[19:06] <qman__> ubuntu has lots of tab completion built in by default
[19:06] <qman__> for more than just filse
[19:06] <SpamapS> sometimes its actually overzealous
[19:06]  * RoyK uses RHEL at work and doesn't like it too muc, except it's very stable
[19:07] <SpamapS> Like I don't care that the file is called .foo I know its a tar..
[19:07] <SpamapS> RoyK: "stable" how?
[19:07] <RoyK> as in rock stable
[19:08] <SpamapS> if you mean it never changes and has tons of outdated software.. agreed.. very stable. :)
[19:08] <RoyK> of course
[19:08] <RoyK> but if you only need samba or apache or some mysql or postgresql server, it's stable
[19:08] <qman__> I actually ran into a customer who was still using a redhat 7 server a few months back
[19:08] <qman__> they wanted me to restore some files from tape backup
[19:08] <SpamapS> RoyK: MySQL 5.1 is *way* less reliable than 5.5....
[19:09] <RoyK> agreed
[19:09] <SpamapS> RoyK: its slower, it breaks on more replication scenarios, and has a dangerous optimizer that chooses horrible query plans.
[19:09] <RoyK> but then, I don't like mysql in the first place
[19:09] <SpamapS> RoyK: so yes, its predictably crap. :)
[19:09] <miker> But it did report the packet loss.
[19:10] <RoyK> what nic?
[19:10] <miker> http://s9.postimage.org/4ljuzsw5b/IMG_20130210_130345.jpg
[19:10] <miker> eth0
[19:10] <RoyK> what sort of nic, is what I meant
[19:10] <miker> "dropped: 43"
[19:10] <miker> You mean like speed or brand?
[19:10] <RoyK> miker: pastebin is a bit better ;)
[19:10] <RoyK> brand
[19:11] <miker> Yea I tried to pastebin it but it wouldn't uplead because of the packet loss.
[19:12] <RoyK> heh
[19:12] <RoyK> miker: what distro version?
[19:12] <miker> 12.10
[19:13] <RoyK> and what nic?
[19:13] <qman__> lspci | grep net
[19:13] <miker> And I'm looking up the brand, it's just a built in one on a IBM xServe 335
[19:13] <Sendoushi> how many space (hard drive) do you think that the system needs?
[19:13] <RoyK> miker: lshw
[19:13] <RoyK> pastebin that
[19:14] <qman__> Sendoushi, a stock install of ubuntu server takes approximately 1GB, though 2-4GB is going to be a lot more comfortable
[19:14] <qman__> if you intend to have files and stuff saved, bigger is always better
[19:14] <Sendoushi> ok so... 4gb plus like... 2gb for files
[19:14] <Sendoushi> since it is only supposed to be server
[19:20] <miker735> Okay.
[19:20] <miker735> It's a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5703X Gigabit card
[19:21] <miker735> And http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1634045/ that's pastebin lshw
[19:26] <Sendoushi> installer is asking for partition disks
[19:26] <Sendoushi> what is this LVM thing?
[19:26] <Sendoushi> what should i use?
[19:26] <miker> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1634069/ that's for ifconfig -a
[19:28] <miker> What should I do?
[19:30] <qman__> have you tried different switch ports? also, if you can, watch the traffic from the switch's point of view
[19:31] <miker> Let me try another port.
[19:32] <miker> I don't think I can monitor it from my switch
[19:32] <qman__> Sendoushi, for a VM you probably don't need lvm, I'd just go manual and make one partition the full size of the virtual disk
[19:32] <qman__> miker, can you ping from the switch?
[19:32] <Sendoushi> well gone for lvm
[19:32] <Sendoushi> now http proxy
[19:32] <Sendoushi> should i ignore this for now?
[19:32] <qman__> if you don't know, leave it blank
[19:32] <Sendoushi> i think i need this http thing
[19:32] <Sendoushi> ok then
[19:34] <RoyK> miker: those broadcom NICs are rather infamous for their drivers
[19:34] <RoyK> broadcom doesn't document their hardware openly, so unless you sign a badass NDA, you won't get access to them
[19:35] <Sendoushi> damn just installed lamp
[19:35] <RoyK> if you do, you can't write open source software
[19:39] <miker> New port doesn's help
[19:39] <Sendoushi> when they said "no gui" it was reallly no gui
[19:39] <Sendoushi> so... how does the ubuntu desktop just weights the same than ubuntu server?
[19:40] <qman__> what?
[19:41] <miker>  
[19:41] <qman__> miker, in that case, it's probably the NIC or the switch config
[19:42] <qman__> the problem with old cisco gear is that it's old, and they often have bad ports and stuff, but usually it's only a couple, otherwise nothing would work
[19:42] <miker> What could I change? Because when I bring the switch up to my room it runs perfect, 0% packet loss.
[19:42] <Sendoushi> how can i get the pt keyboard layout??
[19:42] <miker> And I use the same port in my room as I do for my server.
[19:43] <miker> dpkg reconfigure keyboard
[19:43] <qman__> in that case I suspect the NIC or NIC driver in the server
[19:43] <miker> But when I connect my server straight to my router I get no packet loss.
[19:44] <qman__> yes
[19:44] <miker> How could it be the drivers then?
[19:44] <qman__> what I'm saying is, there's an incompatibility between your NIC or driver and that cisco switch
[19:44] <unami> Hi there. I'm configuring a Ubuntu server on an existing  network, and I was wondering if there was a good guide for configuring Postfix. I'm unsure about whether I need to be configured as an internet site, or a satellite. There is an existing smtp server that I would need to use for sending any mail.
[19:45] <qman__> if the switch has any VoIP features or STP on, I'd try turning those off
[19:45] <qman__> and any extra functionality beyond dumb switch, and see if it solves the issue
[19:46] <qman__> unami, if you are using an existing SMTP server, then you need either satellite system or internet site with smarthost
[19:46] <qman__> which depends on how you want to use postfix
[19:46] <qman__> if you only want local mail to get to the internet, smarthost
[19:46] <qman__> if you want to provide mailboxes for other systems and users, internet site
[19:46] <qman__> err
[19:46] <qman__> if you only want local mail to get to the internet, satellite
[19:46] <qman__> if you want to provide mailboxes for other systems and users, internet site with smarthost
[19:47] <Sendoushi> damn how will i know what layout of keyboard i have and how to get the right one?
[19:48] <unami> qman__: This is helpful - thank you.
[19:54] <miker> I'm not even sure if this switch has any special features like that.
[19:57] <Sendoushi> not getting the right keyboard setup :s
[20:01] <Sendoushi> not even getting the /
[20:06] <Sendoushi> i'm accessing console-setup for the keyboard but not really changing a thing
[20:25] <Sendoushi> besides vim is there any easier text editor?
[20:27] <maswan> Sendoushi: nano is often recommended for something easier to learn
[20:27] <Sendoushi> how can i nano?
[20:27] <Sendoushi> damn i dont get it keyboard layout was just fine and now restarted the machine and once again... on the wrong one
[20:31] <Sendoushi> how can i change display resolution?
[20:44] <Sendoushi> guys how can i access the cd?
[20:44] <Sendoushi> isn't there something like a dir from dos?
[20:45] <Sendoushi> i need to get to the folder media inside the cd (i think it is there)
[21:39] <_Andrei_> what do you mean by cd ? Sendoushi , the comand line ?
[21:40] <Sendoushi> already solved
[21:40] <Sendoushi> thanks
[21:40] <Sendoushi> :)
[21:40] <_Andrei_> oh yes change dir
[21:40] <Sendoushi> already installed apache also and now checking how to do stuff on this
[21:40] <Sendoushi> like... how can i connect to the ftp and such
[21:40] <Sendoushi> or even dock it on my mac
[21:40] <_Andrei_> ok ;)
[21:40] <Sendoushi> ideas on how to do this?
[21:40] <Sendoushi> i'm using a vm
[21:41] <Sendoushi> ips are different, tried to bridge already but... not really working
[21:41] <Sendoushi> but accessing the ip of the ubuntu machine... works so...
[21:41] <_Andrei_> you're on an apple vm on ubuntu ?
[21:42] <Sendoushi> apple vm
[21:43] <_Andrei_> i'm on Ubuntu actually but MacOS i don't really know how it works
[21:43] <Sendoushi> i also would like to change the display resolution of the machine
[21:43] <Sendoushi> noe it is something around 1024x768 or something
[21:43] <Sendoushi> but i would like to have like 500x768
[21:44] <_Andrei_> have you asked some questions on #ubuntu channel ?
[21:44] <Sendoushi> something like that. like a column so i can work on the other side you know?
[21:44] <Sendoushi> i did
[21:44] <Sendoushi> i tried
[21:45] <_Andrei_> hope you'll find out, got to go, sorry
[21:46] <Sendoushi> no problemo cya
[21:56] <Sendoushi> how can i set a nfs folder on ubuntu server?
[21:56] <Sendoushi> ubuntu server is inside a vm on mac and i want to access a folder inside ubuntu
[23:31] <awaterma> hey all
[23:32] <awaterma> I wonder if anyone's seen issues with installing vmbuilder on 12.10? I can't seem to install that nor python-vmbuilder due to missing (and uninstallable) dependencies?
[23:35] <SpamapS> awaterma: uninstallable packages are a pretty serious (and usually easily fixed) bug. Perhaps report it?
[23:35] <awaterma> I've only seen it on this local machine, I run 12.10 on a server and don't have this problem.
[23:35] <Patrickdk> make sure you run apt-get update first
[23:36] <awaterma> Yeah, I've updated and upgraded all sources. No complaints.
[23:37] <awaterma> However, when I try and install python-vmbuilder I get:
[23:38] <awaterma> The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-vm-builder : Depends: debootstrap (>= 1.0.9) but it is not installable
[23:39] <awaterma> launchpad says it's available: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/vm-builder/0.12.4+bzr481-0ubuntu1
[23:40] <g16> I thought that 0.12.4 < 1.0.9.
[23:40] <g16> oh, it's another package, my bad, please ignore my comment.
[23:43] <awaterma> got it.
[23:43] <awaterma> Works if I update the mirror: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/all/ubuntu-vm-builder/download
[23:44] <awaterma> No fun running quantal on this old mac mini server. Nearly all working now, though.
[23:44] <awaterma> One would think that "tasksel" would install a way to make vms for a server that handles virtual machines ....