[00:09] <darrenfoster1976> evening all :-)
[00:09] <penguin42> hey
[00:10] <bigcalm> Morning
[00:10] <darrenfoster1976> ahhh you are all awake then?
[00:10] <bigcalm> Unlikely
[00:10] <bigcalm> I'm not awake in any way
[00:10] <penguin42> zzzzZzzzz
[00:10] <bigcalm> This is just a dream, right?
[00:11] <darrenfoster1976> lol... ive not been here before im a noob, just wanted to say hi
[00:11] <penguin42> welcome!
[00:12] <darrenfoster1976> ive been using ubuntu for about 2 years properly, as a user but now want to seriously start sharing stuff locally
[00:12] <darrenfoster1976> thanks penguin
[00:12]  * bigcalm slithers off to bed
[00:12]  * dwatkins hands darrenfoster1976 an nice hot cup of tea
[00:13] <darrenfoster1976> :-)
[00:13] <darrenfoster1976> so anyone from Cornwall in?
[00:13] <darrenfoster1976> im in Truro
[00:13]  * penguin42 is somewhat further North in Manc
[00:14] <darrenfoster1976> marvelous has it started snowing yet?
[00:14] <penguin42> no
[00:15] <dwatkins> I'm most of the way up the other end of the island, in Edinburgh, darrenfoster1976
[00:15] <darrenfoster1976> hmmm from one end to the other
[00:16] <dwatkins> yeah, although people keep reminding me there's a lot of land north of here.
[00:16] <darrenfoster1976> whats everyone upto? is there a topic of discussion?
[00:17] <dwatkins> I'm currently watching the ill-fated Terminator series whilst configuring my Raspberry Pi to be a temperature sensor and chatting to people on IRC...
[00:18] <darrenfoster1976> awesome... ive seen a youtube video showing a Pi as a temperature sensor looked pretty neat.
[00:18] <penguin42> darrenfoster1976: It tends to be quite random on here :-)
[00:18] <darrenfoster1976> im pretty random so ill fit in well then
[00:21] <darrenfoster1976> so im considering putting together a server to play with as a home server, and LAMP... should i go with 12.04 or 12.10? any thoughts? or recommendations?
[00:21] <popey> 12.04
[00:22] <penguin42> darrenfoster1976: If you want it to be a home server that you can just leave alone then 12.04 is probably  a good bet if it does everything you want; you just need to keep up with security until another year or more
[00:22] <popey> i use 12.04 on my homeserver - an HP Microserver
[00:22] <Azelphur> My friend told me about PushBullet an hour ago, https://github.com/Azelphur/pyPushBullet
[00:22]  * Azelphur is speedy
[00:23] <darrenfoster1976> thanks, 12.04 it is
[00:47] <redtape-renegade> darrenfoster1976: Have you been folowing the Ubuntu User Days ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[00:48] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell- who runs the UK Ubuntu LoCo team was doing a seminar today on #ubuntu-classroom
[00:48] <redtape-renegade> Here's the log ... http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/09/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[00:50] <redtape-renegade> darrenfoster1976: It's also on tomorrow (Sunday the 10th) from midday entitled :: " Using Launchpad " ... FYI.
[01:24] <darrenfoster1976> thanks
[01:25] <darrenfoster1976> sorry zoned out on another pc
[01:27] <darrenfoster1976> thanks for that redtape, i know most of that but im more interested in server side stuff, but thank you anyway
[03:02] <ball> How do I install a Java plug-in for Firefox or Chromium?
[08:12] <tix> why you afraid of guns, england?
[08:15] <Myrtti> -___-
[08:28] <tix> Myrtti: hi
[08:28] <tix> you afraid of guns? you afraid of 'murica?
[08:29] <Myrtti> tix: I'm not susceptible to trolling
[08:30] <Myrtti> try gardening, it's a much more rewarding hobby
[08:50] <tix> Myrtti: no
[08:50] <tix> i enjoy my firearms
[08:51] <tix> Myrtti: you live in the UK?
[08:58] <kvarley> Ran a bunch of updates on my laptop last night and now it hangs on the Ubuntu boot screen (the one with dots on) all the dots go orange and then nothing happens. Ideas?
[08:58] <kvarley> I've tried getting to a shell but it doesn't seem to want to let me
[09:06] <kvarley> Yes, in a root session
[09:07] <kvarley> Thank goodness for recovery mode
[09:07] <kvarley> Managed to hit Ctrl + Alt + Del before the boot splash froze which caused a reboot to Grub with the options showing so I was able to edit the boot parameters
[09:18] <kvarley> I can't see anything in the error logs
[09:18] <kvarley> Can't get it to boot still tho
[09:19] <kvarley> Whoever had the idea to keep the old kernel version after an upgrade is a genius
[09:19] <kvarley> Managed to boot it from the old kernel
[09:19] <kvarley> Suspect this whole mess up was down to manually installed fglrx
[09:27] <redtape-renegade> allo Sunday snooze's !!  Boy o'boy Coffee Republic gave me a brilliant idea at 7.04am this morning .. A daily wordpress blog about the infamous page 47 of the Idependant 'I' newspaper  . Like here --- ᗔ http://goo.gl/PEUol
[09:27] <redtape-renegade> Note my connection is a little busy so hit the above 'goo.gl'  Link in after 09:40am
[09:47] <redtape-renegade> Quick Question .. It's ready to look at now , however, my question is:: Does Anyone now Of A Really Nice Font to Use for the *blog* ??? or will this do ... http://t.co/oAzeXoXZ
[10:00] <popey> Morning
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[10:02] <kanturk> redtape-renegade  tries , but sometimes this #channel is  more  -ala-  the deaf community on Sunday morn's  :-[
[10:18] <dwatkins> Why is page 47 infamous, redtape-renegade?
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <jacobw> hey brobostigon
[10:47]  * daubers builds a controller for his central heating
[10:47] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[10:48] <jacobw> daubers: that sounds like a good use of a sunday
[10:48] <daubers> jacobw: Best one I can think of.... assuming the reprap manages to finish the 7 hour print of the case for it
[10:52] <jacobw> daubers: that machine is awesome
[10:56] <jacobw> self hosting 3d printers :p
[10:56] <jacobw> :o even
[10:56] <jacobw> skynet is here
[10:59] <daubers> heh
[11:28] <dalsim> good morning
[11:29] <jacobw> hi dalsim
[11:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:31] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm and dalsim
[11:57]  * MartijnVdS is playing with OpenWRT builds (from source)
[12:00] <brobostigon> :)
[12:09] <dwatkins> My Raspberry Pi controls the standby state of my TV better than the Xbox does.
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: standby state of the tV?
[12:10] <brobostigon> :)
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> I thought rpi didn't do cec yet?
[12:10] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: if I pause a video, the TV will go into standby mode after a few minutes, and come out again when I unpause
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oh that's nice
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> my tv won't do that
[12:11] <dwatkins> In fairness, it's Raspbmc that's controlling this, not the hardware, I imagine.
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> (though it'll turn off the backlight if the screen is entirely black)
[12:11] <dwatkins> SCART supports waking up a device, I believe, or at least switching to the active one, so I assume this is done using HDMI.
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: HDMI CEC supports it, but I though that wasn't supported on Raspberry Pi (yet)
[12:12] <dwatkins> I can make a video for any doubters ;)
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it can do even more than SCART -- you can "walk" through device menus, toggle power, etc.
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> it's a bus.
[12:12] <dwatkins> neat
[12:28] <dwatkins> ooh, modmypi is turning into quite a handy online shop for Pi-related things
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ooooh!
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> *bookmark*
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> and affordable too
[13:29] <dwatkins> yeah, might get a bunch of stuff for my munin temperature probe project from there
[13:30] <dwatkins> I modified munin a while ago for my server to have lm-sensors report ambient temperature from this USB device as well as motherboard and CPU temperature, so it should be fairly easy to have a single graph of just the USB temperature which self-updates and I can display on a monitor in the office
[13:31] <dwatkins> s/munin/a plugin for munin/
[14:10]  * redtape-renegade wakes up again .. Morning, Afternoon whatever !
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> hmm - "next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00" [see /title]
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> well, it's better than "Next Meeting 14th November 20:00 UK Time" on #ubuntu-uk-meeting /title [mostly]
[14:26] <Laney> someone should mode -t this channel then we can fix it ourselves
[14:27] <Azelphur> Anyone know how you tell github to update your fork from the main repo?
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> nah - no reason to put sarcastic comments about /title if it's up to date ;)
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> I asked this on the mail list but no real answer forthcoming: anyone know if it's safe to delete some/all of the 1,583 files in my home/.compiz-1/session?
[14:40] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Are they still being created - one a day whenever you log in?
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: from the time/date stamps - yes
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> my thought is to move all but today's into a separate folder & see what happens
[14:42] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: In that case I'd say you have  a bug that they aren't being cleaned up, and I'd have thought if you deleted the old ones you would be fine; if you're worried just move them somewhere else and make sure it's happy
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: glad we agree
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> bbs - logging off to see what happens on restart
[15:03] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: that's all 1500+ permanently deleted & I'm stll here! seems time to go bug report checking or bug reporting.
[15:04] <penguin42> yeh
[15:08] <redtape-renegade> The Seat of Tynwald's - village - is set to become the home for the Game Of The Isles ... http://www.iomtoday.co.im/sport/football-news/st-john-s-make-bid-for-island-games-spot-1-5386915   .. popey  the National game of Extreme Ironing whilst trampolining is assured !  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smhy9OB-CM
[15:09] <penguin42> I guess the professionals do it with a hot iron....
[15:10] <redtape-renegade> Technically an Iron can be a piece of Warmed-Up Lead that has a handle .. like they used to have in the 1800's , professional or otherwise.
[15:11] <AlanBell> not sure lead is a good metal for that
[15:14] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Did I say Lead ? What a freudian-slip !  Actually meant 82Pb .. dear me back to the Lab Academy with it's test-tubes for me (!!) ( or is that just  where I was incarnated by an evil genii ?)
[15:14] <penguin42> AlanBell: Hmm lets see, how about Iron....
[15:17] <AlanBell> mercury all the way
[15:18] <penguin42> AlanBell: You're mad as a hatter...
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: bug #1121231
[15:39] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm not running compiz, but it would be useful if someone else would confirm or figure out if it's just your machine
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> if anyone fancies confirming it - that would be sweet
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: are you looking into my thoughts!!!!
[15:41]  * penguin42 polishes his crystal ball
[15:45] <PaulW2U> SuperEngineer: done that for you :)
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> thankyou PaulW2U
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer breathes sigh of relief
[15:50] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: How big were the files; tiny (1kb or less?)
[15:51] <penguin42> PaulW2U: Were you also on 12.04 ?
[15:52] <PaulW2U> penguin42: I have 12.04 available and booted into it to check. Normally run Kubuntu 13.04 now
[15:52] <penguin42> PaulW2U: OK, thanks
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: old ones are only 94 bytes [current is 622 bytes  -yes I do mean bytes rather than kB]
[15:54] <PaulW2U> Yes, 94 bytes +/- 1 I think I found
[15:54]  * penguin42 marks triaged/low
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:55] <redtape-renegade> What is 'triaged' again ?
[15:56] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Basically has all the info needed for someone to try and work on it
[15:57] <redtape-renegade> I see; I see                         ...
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> 100 paper cuts candidate - but that would make it 101 paper cuts ;)
[15:58] <penguin42> ok, that's bizarre; Maplin now sell via Tesco direct
[15:59] <redtape-renegade> .. yep & I get the Maplin mini-catalogue
[15:59] <redtape-renegade> (arrived last ~Tuesday).
[15:59] <penguin42> you wouldn't have thought you could order a cabbage and a capacitor from the same site
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> redtape-renegade: are they cheaper at Tesco than their own stores?
[15:59] <redtape-renegade> .. it's more in the Sat-nav ditrection , me thnks.
[16:00] <redtape-renegade> **direction...
[16:01] <redtape-renegade> SuperEngineer: but you have mentioned this before & I have spoken to you about it.
[16:02] <redtape-renegade> daftykins, How's the -ala- mediterranean [sic] weather in the channel ?
[16:03]  * SuperEngineer confused by redtape-renegade comment - what did I mention to you
[16:04] <redtape-renegade> SuperEngineer: Sorry .. redirect that last comment to penguin42 [ redtape is on a nk.color via weechat !]
[16:04] <AlanBell> oh that rugby game is on, and czajkowski is losing
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: watching it as well -you're a braver man than I to rub that in!!
[16:06] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Is it bettr than the Superb.Owl ? :D
[16:07] <AlanBell> different type of hand-egg
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> redtape-renegade: SuperBowl = crunch-bang goes the armour protection whereas rugby = crunch-bang goes the bones ;)
[16:12] <redtape-renegade> Eggs ?? redtape-renegade  looks at his Cad. creme egg with Hobson's -Choice-conundrum. :   Should  I use it before or after St. Patricks Day ??
[16:12] <redtape-renegade> Alternatively , Maybe it shouldn't be craic -ed !
[16:13] <penguin42> a Screme egg would be better for St.Patrick's day - they have green filling
[16:14] <redtape-renegade> mmm penguin42 Quite agree, but I only have the *one* ! That's what justifies the conunderum !
[16:17] <redtape-renegade> Brainfart: Why not have a game of Animalia Phylum using multiple creme eggs as rugby balls ?? Think of the irony !!
[16:19] <redtape> Ghehe /silent but deadly are the best !/
[16:35] <mungbean> traceroute 216.81.59.173
[16:35] <mungbean> ^^ epic
[16:36] <brobostigon> mungbean: i linkied to that yesterday,
[16:36] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: How do I go about en-acting that command ?
[16:36] <mungbean> redtape-renegade: u on ubuntu?
[16:36] <redtape-renegade> Lubuntu .. but yes..
[16:36] <mungbean> type it in a terminal window
[16:37] <mungbean> why is rubyripper sooo slow? what should i use to rip my cd?
[16:38] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: "sudo aptget install traceroute" > "sudo: aptget: command not found"
[16:38] <mungbean> brobostigon: are you on g+
[16:38] <mungbean> apt-get needs a -
[16:38] <brobostigon> mungbean: most certainly,
[16:38] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: What now brains ?
[16:39] <mungbean> brobostigon: can u pm me your profile?
[16:39] <AlanBell> redtape-renegade: traceroute should be there by default, or tracepath
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> redtape-renegade: network tools?
[16:39] <brobostigon> mungbean: moment.
[16:39] <redtape-renegade> Ahh , forgot the dash ! in apt*-*get .. butterfingers !
[16:40] <mungbean> tracepath fails with too many hops
[16:40] <brobostigon> mungbean: what details do you need ?
[16:40] <mungbean> dunno, link so i can add u
[16:41] <brobostigon> mungbean: link to what?
[16:41] <mungbean> g+ profile
[16:41] <brobostigon> mungbean: you need to be more specific.
[16:41] <mungbean> or a link your have posted
[16:41] <mungbean> on the g+
[16:42] <mungbean> did you all enjoy the pirate bay film?
[16:44] <redtape-renegade> Qu. Who is 'Soma' and what do they have to do with Princess Leia ?? http://goo.gl/4s2EZ
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> mungbean: what's the traceroute for the next episode ;)
[16:46] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: I did .. Esp .. T:47:56 minutes in when the drunk says :: "THE BAY !!"  .. classic xD
[16:47] <mungbean> its an interesting concept
[16:48] <mungbean> i don't agree with copyright violation, but there is serious abuse of it, and punishment of which is placed above more heinous crimes
[16:50] <redtape-renegade> Surely it's :: The P.light of Copyleft  as the #channel's topic ?
[16:52] <mungbean> topic says "HNY"
[16:52] <mungbean> which it is for chinese :D
[16:52] <mungbean> popey set topic on jan2nd though :P
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> mungbean: it's as up to date as the "next meeting" part of the topic
[16:56]  * SuperEngineer loves outr of date topics - gives a channel some character ;)
[16:57] <aaronr> Hi everyone. I'm seeing a really weird buffer overflow in apache2 seemingly caused by libgcrypt or libgnutls, according to the backtrace. Even more strangely it seems to like happening on Sunday mornings, so it's perhaps being exacerbated by a weekly cron task. Do I need to be careful about reporting this in the open on Launchpad, with it being a potential security issue?
[16:58]  * SuperEngineer loves outr of date topics - gives a result some character ;)
[16:58] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: that's only beacause he couldn't type 'PNY' --- http://goo.gl/oIrtF -- <-- <-- He's obsessed with Chinese font's which are on his Far-East USB !!
[16:58] <penguin42> aaronr: You can mark it as a security issue and not publicly viewable
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> ..just like a certain Rugby scoreline at FT gives a game some character
[16:58] <mungbean> anyone tried this yet? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/new-window-switching-method-added-to-unity
[16:58] <mungbean> wanna know how it works with terminal windows
[16:59] <aaronr> Ah, didn't know that. Thanks penguin42, I'll do that. Am I best reporting it under Apache, where I'm seeing the crash, or under libgcrypt which seems to be to blame each time?
[16:59] <penguin42> mungbean: KDE has something similar in it's overview and uses the title of terminals; so it works well if you have your bash prompts to set the titles
[16:59]  * redtape-renegade is tuck with Lubuntu D.Environment :(
[16:59] <redtape-renegade> **is stuck ..
[17:00] <penguin42> aaronr: It's your call; which ever you think is more likely to be broken, but explain why you made the choice you did
[17:00] <mungbean> penguin42: i use it in docky, but don't use unity for that reason mainly
[17:01] <aaronr> Would it be sensible to report it under both and perhaps put links between the two bugs? Or would double-filing like that be bad form?
[17:01] <penguin42> aaronr: I'd just go for one
[17:01] <aaronr> k
[17:01] <aaronr> thanks!
[17:01] <penguin42> aaronr: What makes you think it's a security issue?
[17:02] <aaronr> It's a buffer overflow in either Apache or the GNU TLS library.
[17:02] <aaronr> Sure, it's being caught and Apache's dying, but that's not really the point.
[17:02] <penguin42> ok, best to go with mark it as security
[17:04] <aaronr> Makes sense. I'd better go collect some logs then. Thanks for your help!
[17:05]  * kvarley is amazed how satisfying it is playing games without having to reboot into Windows :)
[17:05] <penguin42> aaronr: Do you have a way to repeat it on demand?
[17:06] <aaronr> Not yet. But I do have a pretty intensive backup job running on Sunday mornings. A quick skim of existing bugs on Launchpad has me wondering if maybe it's related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcrypt11/+bug/1084279
[17:11] <penguin42> aaronr: I've marked that as high/triaged
[17:11] <aaronr> fantastic, thank you :)
[17:12] <penguin42> aaronr: Does your backtrace also land at a line with an FDSET or similar?
[17:13] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: How do you mark it as high/triaged, again ?
[17:14] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: I'm a member of the ubuntu bugcontrol group and can set the importance and state of bugs
[17:14] <redtape-renegade> Fantastic !
[17:17] <aaronr> penguin42: I'm not sure. The backtrace is pointing at something in or underneath libgcrypt's gcry_create_nonce function. still working on interpreting it.
[17:19] <penguin42> aaronr: Possible; that fix is in code to open the random number file, and you need some entropy for creating a nonce
[17:19] <aaronr> http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libgcrypt.git;a=commit;h=061b11de60415e228f33599270d66aafe4b88d72 seems to kind of match up. I'm not too hot on the internals of how encryption works, but it kind of follows that the nonce would be from a random number generator.
[17:20] <penguin42> nod
[17:22] <penguin42> aaronr: So one question is why you've got 1000+ fd's open
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> because he CAN
[17:23] <aaronr> that's sort of normal. it's a busy server.
[17:23] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: How would you define an *fd* , again ?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: in one process?!
[17:24] <penguin42> aaronr: WOw that is busy
[17:24] <aaronr> hmm, no not in one process
[17:24] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: An open file descriptor; file, socket or similar
[17:24] <redtape-renegade> thanx.
[17:24] <penguin42> aaronr: Well that would have to be in one process to cause that wouldn't it?
[17:24] <aaronr> but that apache does have >100 virtualhosts
[17:25] <aaronr> we're not seeing any traffic spikes when it happens, though.
[17:25] <penguin42> aaronr: Slow CGI process?
[17:26] <aaronr> That's entirely likely. We don't control what's on those virtualhosts.
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> syn flood?
[17:26] <aaronr> (shared hosting server)
[17:28] <penguin42> aaronr: If you could find a way to trigger it on a test server, you could 1) try building a version of libgcrypt with that fix and see if it goes away   2) try it on a raring vm to see if it's fixed in rarin
[17:28] <aaronr> okay. i'll fire up a test environment and see what i can do.
[17:29] <aaronr> which would be the better test?
[17:29] <penguin42> aaronr: My reading of it is that you need to get a whole bunch of fd's open and _then_ do some ssly stuff
[17:29] <aaronr> yeah, i can try writing a quick ruby cgi to tie open a ton of files and then hold them open until i kill it.
[17:31] <penguin42> aaronr: I'd get it tested on the same version as your running on, should be easier to confirm
[17:31] <aaronr> as it seems to be the apache parent process that dies (seems like a child reports the crash in the log as it blames the parent dying) i think it might be okay having two processes running, one running the cgi, the other doing ssl things
[17:43] <penguin42> aaronr: Do you run with a lot of threads per process?
[17:44] <aaronr> That box is running the process-based prefork version of apache, rather than the threaded worker version.
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> hmm - Planet Gnome reports from Mathew Garrett "Linux Foundation Secure Boot support released"
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> [along acknowledgement with Shim of course] http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/23113.html
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> *along with acknowledgement
[17:57] <penguin42> aaronr: Huh ok, I'd have thought having zillions of file descriptors was even less likely in that case
[17:58] <aaronr> Yeah, it's very strange.
[18:00] <popey> \o/ HNY
[18:02] <aaronr> just skimming the munin graphs there, nothing hugely weird really, except for high CPU while a apache process was stuck. (had to kill a process, "service apache2 stop" wouldn't make it go away)
[18:02] <aaronr> an*
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> popey: 新年好
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:52] <redtape-renegade> Come at me Bro !!                            https://twitter.com/tonywhitmore/status/300611369118621696/photo/1
[18:55] <popey> that would be my son with a lightsaber
[18:55] <redtape-renegade> popey; 新年快乐天空
[18:55] <popey> i dont think sky can read that ☺
[18:57] <redtape-renegade> Is she still trying to talk 'butterfly' to the butterfly.s on Nat. Geographic channel  ??
[19:02] <redtape-renegade> popey: https://plus.google.com/109365858706205035322/posts/WAw21rqFG3r
[19:03] <popey> he doesn't watch a lot of telly
[19:04] <popey> spends more time attacking the other cat
[19:04] <redtape-renegade> meow ..
[19:09] <redtape-renegade> * mao mao (!!)
[19:13] <aaronr> penguin42: not really sure how to reproduce this bug on another system. gave up on the cgi idea because that ran in its own process, so wrote a php script that opens 2000 files for writing in /tmp then called it from a bunch of tabs (some tabs over SSL, some not), but it's not falling over. weird.
[19:13] <aaronr> well, good that it's not falling over, but not good that i can't reproduce it.
[19:17] <kvarley> I've made a hotspot on ubuntu running on my laptop but my wii u won't connect to it, any ideas?
[19:23] <penguin42> aaronr: nod; yeh it can be a bit tricky
[19:38] <zleap> where is the xorg.conf file in ubuntu?
[19:38] <penguin42> there normally isn't one
[19:38] <bigcalm> SQL question if anybody can help :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1634095/
[19:38] <penguin42> zleap: There are a series of parts in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[19:39] <zleap> ok thanks
[19:40] <penguin42> zleap: If you create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think it will be read
[19:40] <zleap> ok
[19:40] <zleap> so is this just ubuntu or the new way of doing stuff
[19:41] <penguin42> I think it's general - X figures out most of what it needs at runtime
[19:41] <zleap> ok
[19:41] <penguin42> zleap: I think Nvidia and other closed drivers might create one
[19:41] <penguin42> zleap: Fixed config files don't make that much sense these days when people come along and hot plug another mouse/graphics pad/monitor
[19:42] <zleap> good point
[19:42] <zleap> i amk asking for someone else but will pass this on
[19:50] <jacobw> nvidia-xconfig creates one
[20:07] <ali1234> AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/826059
[21:01] <redtape-renegade> Qu. How do I find out what version of Gnome Mplayer that I am using ??
[21:05] <popey> redtape-renegade: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[21:10] <redtape-renegade> popey, Thanx, but I really want to find the log of changes to the package of " gnome-mplayer " .. Where do I find that ?
[21:12] <popey> zcat /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz | more
[21:16] <Daviey> or, less /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz .. :)
[21:16] <Daviey> (when less is more :P)
[21:17] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1634345/   Got it !
[21:20] <popey> yay
[21:20] <popey> didnt know less did auto uncompression
[21:20] <popey> handy
[21:23] <mgdm> yeah - it used to be you had less and zless, but these days it autodetects it
[21:25] <redtape-renegade> popey, I may be feeling extra *thick* today but where can I get the gnome player configuration panel, then ?
[21:25] <redtape-renegade> http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/GNOME-Mplayer_1.png
[21:36] <popey> no idea, never used it
[21:36] <popey> maybe install mplayer-gui
[21:36] <popey> and open it
[21:46] <penguin42> popey: I'm curious; are you going to add some monitoring/control from an ubuntu phone for your house?
[22:10] <popey> penguin42: nope
[22:27] <czajkowski> hmmm I have two U1 cloud icons since upgrading to raring
[22:27] <czajkowski> I know one I added via a ppa but cant seem to work out how to remove it
[22:27] <czajkowski> the other is new
[23:13] <redtape-renegade> czajkowski: How did vegas and smash go ??? I dunno 'cos I'm not allowed a TV lic.
[23:15] <redtape-renegade> Anyone else into 'Veghas' and 'Smash' the tele programs ?
[23:16] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, that looks similar to bug 1121045 certainly, but is fix released
[23:19] <AlanBell> no, not the same
[23:20]  * redtape-renegade hears the drip, drip of Ubuntu TV .. :: http://youtu.be/HHNe7QMWZ8Q?t=43m59s
[23:28] <Azelphur> redtape-renegade: looks like he's mostly talking about mythtv o.O
[23:29] <AlanBell> as far as I know we still don't know what ubuntu tv is, if anything. It might well be mythtv based with unity 2d/QML dash like lenses
[23:30] <Azelphur> I prefer XBMC over MythTV - having tried both
[23:30] <Azelphur> the usability in XBMC is far better.
[23:34]  * dwatkins agrees with Azelphur 
[23:34] <Azelphur> the mythtv people all seem to hate on xbmc but I'm not really sure why
[23:35] <Azelphur> the only thing I dislike about xbmc is it doesn't do so well with multiple frontends.
[23:35] <Azelphur> it'd be nice if it "just worked(tm)" like mythtv frontends do.
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> Domain name:
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         libre.org.uk
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>     Registrant:
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         David Herbert
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>     Registrant type:
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         UK Individual
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>     Registrant's address:
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         80b Coopersale Road
[23:35] <AlanBell> I figured they were going to pick either xbmc or mythtv, develop a unity theme/skin for it with dash and launcher
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         Hackney
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         London
[23:35] <Azelphur> o.O
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         E9 6BA
[23:35] <redtape-renegade>         United Kingdom
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> How did that happen ?
[23:35] <dwatkins> O.o
[23:35] <Azelphur> sounds like a case of the accidental right click
[23:36] <AlanBell> all done?
[23:36] <Azelphur> AlanBell: sounds like it
[23:36] <Azelphur> :P
[23:36] <redtape-renegade> Crumms.. WTH happened there ...
[23:36]  * penguin42 locks ICBMs to address
[23:36] <dwatkins> your paste buffer ;)
[23:37] <AlanBell> now, where was I?
[23:37] <redtape-renegade> bedington.
[23:37] <AlanBell> I figured they were going to pick either xbmc or mythtv, develop a unity theme/skin for it with dash and launcher
[23:37] <AlanBell> then get a set top box
[23:37] <AlanBell> and sell them. Simples
[23:37] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, Acer RL70's wasn't it ?
[23:38] <redtape-renegade> RL80's are evils
[23:39] <AlanBell> well I was expecting them to do an Ubuntu branded ARM set top box
[23:40] <AlanBell> but I think they want a big OEM to pay them to do the development work on a box and for the OEM to sell it under their own brand
[23:40] <AlanBell> same for the phone
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: As Far As mythTV on-a-box . http://goo.gl/aBQ5k  This is what Mr Mills was looking for ...
[23:42] <AlanBell> yeah, that is atom based though
[23:43] <redtape-renegade> What chip would you want to use ?
[23:43] <AlanBell> ARM probably, easier to go fanless
[23:44] <redtape-renegade> Are they as powerfull, generally ?
[23:44] <shauno> does it really need to be powerful for a myth box?
[23:44] <AlanBell> they have a different performance profile, but can be quite good at graphics
[23:45] <AlanBell> for a myth front end, possibly not very
[23:45] <AlanBell> XBMC works fine on a raspberry pi
[23:45] <AlanBell> and that isn't a fast ARM chip at all
[23:45] <shauno> playback's fine for me, but the UI is sluggish.  but this is the 256MB model.  and this is a system where $ is the design consideration
[23:45] <AlanBell> single core, old instruction set
[23:46] <redtape-renegade> I see, I see ...
[23:46] <shauno> the current (and previous) generations of appletv are ARM based, and they batter on quite well
[23:49] <penguin42> AlanBell: That's using the Pi's MPEG decode hardware?
[23:50] <AlanBell> dunno, I haven't really used it for anything, just clicked around the UI and looked at the weather forecast, but I have heard that people have watched HD content on it
[23:50] <redtape-renegade> HTPC/raspberryPi/appletv  +UbuntuTV    ..it's rare to 'ave a h-ware chat on here ..
[23:50]  * redtape-renegade notes the 2014 ETA ... (!!)
[23:52] <shauno> playback was acceptable on my pi, and I haven't paid for the license for the hardware decoder.  but that does tend to be the key in these things.  not the processor, but offloading encoding & decoding
[23:53] <AlanBell> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marzicarrots&oq=marzicarrots&aqs=chrome.0.57.639&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=uPN&tbo=d&channel=cs&sclient=psy-ab&q=marzicarrot&oq=marzicarrot&gs_l=serp.3...15300.15300.0.15603.1.1.0.0.0.0.75.75.1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.wm1LieWVESY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.d2k&fp=24765f2b440513fd&biw=1920&bih=990
[23:53] <redtape-renegade> Joseph Mills only mentioned 4 other lead dev's inn the video (I typed them down) .. Is this typical of -Canonical only to leave the Ubi-platform direction Ubuntu is taking, to less than the No. of fingers on my hand ??
[23:54] <shauno> that's not unusual.  overmanned can be more crippling than undermanned
[23:55] <AlanBell> if they have an OEM partner they might put more resources to it I guess
[23:57] <ali1234> AlanBell: the bug i linked was fixed, but nobody knew how or why
[23:59] <AlanBell> yeah, I read the comments
[23:59] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: UbuntuTV OEM Partner ...  Take your pic http://goo.gl/rqCpm