[06:46] hi deegee_1 you not adding today [06:46] ? [06:49] hi oom Kilos & everyone [06:49] will do later... [06:49] lol [06:50] all systems good with you oom? [06:51] yes ty lad. all working lekker here.. 2 mavericks working and 12.04 unity and kde [06:51] hows your side [06:52] good t hear that. my side is kwl, very kwl. tnx for asking. [06:52] s/t/to [06:52] np [06:52] lekker when everything just works [06:52] * deegee_1 is busy with virtualization stuff... [06:53] true [06:53] i think i might try 12.10 in a virtualbox. need to think about it for a bit [06:55] that might be a good idea. using vbox [06:59] hi Cantide [06:59] hello :) [07:04] just need to check with you guys. will virtualbox run another install as an app so you can still click back here or does it take over and one needs to reboot to get back? [07:05] as in can i run 12.10 on another workspace? [07:06] you install as an app [07:06] lekker [07:06] ty [07:07] then create a virtual machine in vbox from an iso or physical cdrom [07:07] cool [07:07] you should then end up with a 12.10 desktop running in vbox [07:08] be careful on RAM allocation to the guest vm [07:08] youve convinced me ty. will try it. [07:09] just say if you'll need help further [07:09] will do ty [07:09] ty [07:24] can they share the same /home partition? [07:25] yes. if /home is shared from host. [07:26] and if pc gets too slow can i remove vbox and be back to normal [07:26] you ust stop the VM that's running. [07:26] oh my must i tell host which is this os i take it, to share /home [07:27] hence i mentioned to be carefull with ram allocation to vm [07:27] oh just stop it and all clear again [07:27] what do you suggest for ram [07:27] no need to tell the host [07:27] only got 1.5gig ram [07:28] i would say, allocate 512 to the vm [07:29] and see the perfomance of the host and that of the vm [07:29] also check ram specs of 12.10 desktop [07:29] oh when installing i go the route of partitioning and create its own / /boot but not /home? [07:30] plan first before physical vm install [07:31] you first create a vm in vbox, it'll show you all the steps required to create an empty vm [07:31] ah ty lad [07:31] then once all the vm creation is completed, you now have a vm without os [07:32] now, this is the time to select a boot media and then start creating partitions like how you'd do a normal physical os install [07:33] do you choose virtual image or virtual hard disk [07:33] for starting; i just go with the defaults [07:33] ok that sounds good. ok will go defaults ty [07:34] later after learning the pro's and cons of hdd's, then i [ick and choose what i see fit [07:34] s/[ick/pick [07:34] cool. [07:35] it'll be better after a few vm creation and starting to understand disk space and ram allocations... [07:36] yeah maybe. maybe i should go with an easier os to start [07:36] smaller and gnome2 [07:37] 12.10 is also a good example to work with. [07:37] no man it gave blank screen when i upgraded it [07:38] hehe thats why im back on 12.04 [07:39] i gotta look at data side as well so maybe even practise with 12.04 in vbox because i have all the packages [07:40] or even winsucks because there is no downloads needed [07:41] just for practise purposes with vbox of course [07:41] you can use 12.10 in the vm, not on the physical host [07:42] yes but without updating/upgrading it is super slow [07:42] so will give a false impression of vbox speed [07:43] i go let sheep out and think while walking [07:44] ok... [08:08] grrr mouse disappeared and it couldnt find ubuntu in the dvdrom [08:08] * Kilos tries again [09:07] ha found a virtualbox manual [11:55] Kilos: you around? [11:56] yeah [11:56] im actually a straight not a round [11:57] took a break from vbox. lots of reading to get through before i can make head or tails of it [11:59] deegee_1, ? [11:59] ... [11:59] lol [11:59] lol [12:00] ok. [12:00] * deegee_1 was wondering since we touched vbox this morning where you been [12:00] wassup?im gonna go on with vbox tomorrow or so [12:00] you got vbox installed? [12:00] ok [12:01] yeah and i starts but cant see cdrom [12:01] it starts [12:01] you also installed "guest-additions"? [12:01] created vm? [12:01] yeah i think so [12:01] guest vm? [12:02] oh no [12:02] where do you do that? [12:03] click on new blue icon, after opening vbox [12:03] another one [12:03] i did that once [12:03] so that created a vm for you? [12:03] named it tester [12:04] ya [12:04] good [12:04] on your righgt is the specs of tester [12:04] yes\ [12:04] ram, hdd, and so forth [12:04] yes [12:06] ok, if you click on storage ... on your right [12:06] you should see the cdrom options [12:06] Failed to access the USB subsystem. [12:06] VirtualBox is not currently allowed to access USB devices. You can change this by adding your user to the 'vboxusers' group. Please see the user manual for a more detailed explanation. [12:07] lol thats why i went looking for the manual [12:07] oh! then you need to add your username to that group 'vboxusers' [12:08] eeek where do i do that [12:08] im then the host it should accept me straight off [12:08] dom ding [12:08] sudo "vim" or "vi" or "nano" /etc/groups [12:09] group not groups, sorry [12:09] ok sec [12:10] lotsa stuff in there [12:10] scroll down to vboxusers:xxxxxxxx [12:11] using vim or vi or nano? [12:11] ok [12:11] nano [12:11] kwl [12:11] on that line at the end, add your [12:12] with a space? [12:12] nope [12:12] ok [12:12] then save or more to add?\ [12:13] then ctrl+o, to save [12:13] ok done [12:13] ctrl+x [12:13] close vbox and reopen it [12:14] ctrl+x to quit [12:14] same usb message if i click storage [12:15] sigh [12:15] hold on! [12:15] click once on the vm on the lefthand [12:16] ok [12:16] you should see the properties on your righthand [12:16] yes [12:16] ok [12:17] on your righthand, can you see the "storage" section? [12:17] yes [12:17] brings up that same message [12:17] it should say "ide controller" and "sata controller" [12:17] message? [12:18] that one about groups [12:18] it says ide controller ya [12:18] did you restart vbox? [12:18] ya [12:18] ok [12:19] no sata controller there [12:19] only ide [12:19] on the "ide controller", what do you see? [12:19] np [12:19] pllx3 [12:20] under ide controller [12:20] ok [12:20] nothing happens on ide controller [12:21] can you click on storage? the heading? [12:21] else, how did you create the vm in vbox? [12:21] and the type of hdd? [12:22] nothing about hdd [12:24] can we perhaps recreate the vm from scratch? [12:24] general, system, display, storage, audio, network, usb, shared folders and description [12:24] yes we can [12:24] must i go new [12:24] focus on the "storage" [12:25] whilst there [12:25] Failed to access the USB subsystem. [12:25] VirtualBox is not currently allowed to access USB devices. You can change this by adding your user to the 'vboxusers' group. Please see the user manual for a more detailed explanation. [12:25] that window message pops up when i tick storage [12:26] hmmm... not sure if you might need to reboot..... [12:26] i can do that [12:27] when you created the vm firstly, do you recall what size you gave for the hdd(staorage)? [12:27] hold on before reboot... [12:27] 16mg [12:27] huh? [12:27] 16g [12:27] gig i think [12:27] much better [12:27] hehe [12:27] :-) [12:27] and ram [12:27] ? [12:28] 512 [12:28] went defaults all the way [12:28] ok [12:28] 10G hdd should be fine tho [12:29] you dont think i shoulda gone drive not image [12:29] image was the default [12:29] could you verify the "/etc/group" file has that entry on vboxusers group? [12:30] image is fine [12:30] ok sec [12:30] default is kwl [12:30] ok [12:30] vboxusers:x:126:miles [12:31] good. might opt for a restart of the host [12:31] ok lemme reboot [12:31] tnx [12:32] wbb ty [12:34] ok lets see now [12:35] yay no message when clicking storage [12:36] ok [12:36] kwl [12:37] what do i look for nbow [12:37] now too [12:37] now what's in storage? [12:37] on your right [12:37] shows ide controller and sata controller [12:37] ahhh! [12:38] now we getting over the ocean [12:38] lol [12:38] 16G shows as sata drive? [12:38] ide says "empty" [12:38] ya [12:39] my goodness.... [12:39] great [12:40] on the ide empty, that's where you click and set up the virtual cd/dvd [12:40] click on empty [12:41] i dont see the word empty [12:41] .... we still sailing? [12:41] oh [12:41] just doesnt give size in gB [12:41] butr in the tiny window i can choose the dvd [12:42] ahhh .... ok [12:42] shows both [12:42] so ide show primary and secondary? [12:42] yes [12:43] there's a small cd/dvd icon on your extreme right [12:43] thats where i ticked to see them [12:43] kwl [12:43] that cd icon [12:44] then click the icon, and choose the path where the install media is sitting [12:44] so now it should install from there [12:44] cd/dvd or iso [12:44] i dunno which one is which but anyway [12:44] what is the OS you are installing [12:44] ? [12:45] 12.10 or 12.04? [12:45] i dont know if both are jumpered as slave/master or what [12:45] don't worry about that [12:46] must i put 12.04 in one and 10.10 in the other [12:46] you are using the physical cd/dvd rom? [12:46] yessir [12:46] ok, wait. use 12.04 for now [12:46] got iso's hidden all over on pc [12:46] lol [12:46] good [12:47] you'll need to get the path to the iso's.... [12:47] they use up lotsa space but saves downloading again in case something happens [12:47] true [12:48] on that icon, after clicking you should get the option to navigate to the iso's [12:48] ai! [12:48] The virtual machine window is optimized to work in 32 bit color mode but the virtual display is currently set to 16 bit. [12:48] Please open the display properties dialog of the guest OS and select a 32 bit color mode, if it is available, for best possible performance of the virtual video subsystem. [12:48] can you do that? [12:49] lemme think [12:49] in settings somewhere [12:49] Displays [12:49] yes [12:50] s/Displays/Display [12:50] ai! [12:50] no choice there [12:50] shows display as laptop and dont detect anything different [12:51] let's rewind .... [12:51] ok [12:51] what's on your screen now [12:51] the error or the vbox? [12:51] lol xchat [12:51] oh [12:51] huh? [12:52] tester running and that message about 16 and 32 bit [12:53] the window now is xchat man not vbox [12:53] plse close the message and stop tester [12:54] * deegee_1 not sure which direction the boat is sailing ... looks for "navigation" .... mayday, mayday man overboard! [12:55] lol [12:55] :-) [12:55] i started installing and had to shutdown the install first [12:55] tester off now [12:56] it started not iu [12:56] i [12:56] last install display showed as kingston something or other [12:57] now it shows as laptop [12:57] grrr [12:57] hmmm ... [12:57] would you like us to continue with a fresh install tomorrow oom? [12:58] of unity? [12:58] nee man [12:58] nope, talking about vbox and vm installation [12:58] i will look around and see if i can find where to set colour to 32bit [12:59] oh ya dis goed [12:59] i can play anyway [12:59] it should be on the display on your righthand in vbox [12:59] i think i got the hang of it so far ty deegee_1 [12:59] same place where you saw storage, just above it [12:59] oh i was in settings on the pc [13:00] i will look for it [13:00] you take a break and ill shout tomorrow if i lose [13:00] ty for your help [13:01] what does "kvm-ok" give you on the host terminal? [13:02] looking where you see that [13:02] on the command line of your host [13:03] The program 'kvm-ok' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [13:03] sudo apt-get install cpu-checker [13:03] miles@P4:~$ [13:03] good afternoon [13:04] :-( [13:04] hi sakhi [13:04] sakhi: hi [13:04] you running x64bit OS? [13:04] oom? [13:04] no 32 pc cant do 64 [13:05] ouch!bu can still work with 32.... [13:06] s/bu/but [13:06] where do I change the exports file again for proxy server? I usually use the export command (export http_proxy=http:proxyip:3128;) seems like the box I'm working on is permanently fixed to a specific proxy. [13:06] i think so. it did with xp give the choice [13:06] that proxy is down... [13:07] ai! [13:07] miles@P4:~$ kvm-ok [13:07] INFO: Your CPU does not support KVM extensions [13:07] INFO: For more detailed results, you should run this as root [13:07] HINT: sudo /usr/sbin/kvm-ok [13:08] * deegee_1 is on x64 host [13:08] ok got it. apt.conf [13:08] lets forget about vbox till i get another cpu [13:08] virtualbox should still work on 32bit... [13:09] few months [13:09] it was installing 12.04 [13:09] was thinking of a new/fresh creation of the guest vm [13:09] ok [13:09] let's schedule that for tomorrow [13:10] lemme try and see. will just ignore the messages and see [13:10] ok [13:10] you go have fun somewhere lad [13:10] ty for all the help [13:10] * deegee_1 is standingby [13:10] np oom [13:11] just busy with house chores .... raining now [13:11] its installing [13:11] :-) huh? [13:11] 12.04 [13:11] in the vm? [13:11] yes [13:12] messages ignored? [13:12] ya closed them [13:12] lol [13:12] :-) kwl [13:13] same install procedures to install in a vm like on the physical machine. Note! [13:15] * deegee_1 runs 3 vm's on the host... 1. arch, 2. scientific and 3. freebsd all networked [13:22] Kilos: all good so far? [13:25] Kilos: this might help to get you up to speed : http://askubuntu.com/questions/142549/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-virtualbox [13:25] yes deegee_1 its installing but slow [13:26] ubuntu was never happy here with 512m ram [13:26] ok [13:26] had to use 640 to get anywhere [13:27] that's why i mentioned ram allocation earlier... 768 of ram might also be better... [13:27] i think its actually doing a better job in vbox. didnt want to install here at all with 512 [13:28] something light would be good in vbox on this pc [13:29] im saving to get a 1155 socket mboard that takes ddr3 rams [13:29] then we can talk a bit [13:42] :-/ [13:43] Kilos: all good? [13:44] yeah deegee_1 configuring hardware [13:44] ok, tester1 offline? [13:44] this is where it lost the 3g after rebooting [13:44] no man still installing [13:45] i also got disconnected from 3g [13:45] oh [13:45] 12.04 here wants to install first without 3g connected then only plufin on rebooting [13:45] otherwise it dont see it [13:46] s/plufin/plugin [13:47] if vbox kills this 3g connection im gonna cry [13:47] hmmm ... [13:53] restarting [13:54] vbuntu not here [13:56] vbuntu? meaning [13:59] vboxbuntu [13:59] it works but painfully slow [13:59] and cant see 3g [14:00] virtualbox or vboxbuntu? [14:00] not vm [14:01] lol ubuntu in vbox is vubuntu [14:01] cant see modem [14:01] grrr [14:01] will try maverick next [14:01] oh [14:02] ther's no need to see the modem [14:02] but it works so your tutoring was good. ty very much [14:02] oh [14:02] the guest uses "NAT" to obtai a dhcp addr from the host networking [14:03] dont you guys use vbox to install other os's so you can have the same thing in front of you that you are helping someone with? [14:03] if you do ifconfig on the guest vm cli, it should give you something like 10.0.2.15 .... [14:03] oh ya need to share [14:03] i pref use qemu/kvm ... [14:04] spend most time using virt-install, virt-viewer, visrh stuff and less virt-manager [14:05] on the host and some production servers [14:05] whats wrong with using your installed OS [14:05] why all the virtual stuff [14:05] :-)cloud computing [14:05] oh [14:05] clouds eat data [14:05] kicking out physical hardware [14:05] nope [14:06] don't think so [14:06] must do man, if everything is online [14:06]