[00:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Y'ai'ng'ngah Yog-Sothoth H'ee-l'geb F'ai Throdog Uaaah! <<< Sounds like Klingon.
[00:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, I see: Cthulhu
[00:13] <dydz_> heres my network controller info: http://pastebin.com/r9rAZXeU   -- my internet is going very very slow (tried speedtest.net)
[00:13] <dydz_> xubuntu 12.10
[00:17] <xubuntu745> ehi
[00:18] <xubuntu745> goodnight
[00:19] <dydzEz2_> urgh i guess ill make a post
[00:19] <xubuntu745> ??
[00:29] <amiu> i bet you its the ISP and not the computer
[00:31] <donnie> I am failing to mount a flash drive. Error is wrong fs type bad superblock
[00:33] <amiu> do you care about the data that is on it?
[00:33] <donnie> Nope
[00:33] <amiu> have you tried clearing it out with gparted and starting fresh?
[00:34] <donnie> No appears I have to install that real fast
[00:34] <donnie> sudo apt-get install gparted ?
[00:34] <amiu> yeah. thats my main bitch about xubuntu. gparted is removed after installing the OS
[00:34] <amiu> yeah thats it
[00:37] <donnie> K in gparted, on it. listed as /dev/sdb and says it's unallocated
[00:38] <donnie> No partition table found
[00:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Looks like you'll need a partition table then donnie.
[00:40] <amiu> device menu -> create partition table
[00:40] <donnie> Ran that. Now what
[00:41] <amiu> create a new partition (ext2 is faster, ext4 has less issues)
[00:42] <amiu> right click on the drive -> new -> format as whatever you wish
[00:42] <donnie> It's creating
[00:42] <amiu> use NTFS or FAT32 if you want windows interoperability
[01:06] <toxicsgz> Using AbiWord but need other fonts, can anyone tell me where I can download fonts such as Times New ROman, Courier and Arial, I guess via synaptic but don't know which to install?
[01:11] <koegs> toxicsgz: sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[01:11] <koegs> i think
[01:11] <toxicsgz> That rings a bell :) Thx koegs
[01:29] <lbj_90> I can't get access to my other virtual terminals, they all display two lines and won't accept any input. I can copy over the error/readout for anyone interested, something about device descriptor read/64 error -32
[01:38] <moetunes> lbj_90:  that error is from the usb playing up apparently
[01:44] <lbj_90> moetunes: why do you think is it preventing me from using my virtual terminals? other than that readout i've had no other problems w/ usb
[01:47] <lbj_90> i'm using an nvidia graphics card; found an article saying that i may need to configure for it so i'm gonna go mess with that
[02:11] <GermainZ> I can't modify the screen's brightness on 12.10, on my toshiba satellite p755 laptop. I have tried doing it using shell commands (echo 1->10 to the backlight file), modifying grub as suggested on some forums, using the brightness panel item, nothing works. Fn+F6/F7 shows a popup, as if brightness is being updated, but it's not. Any suggestions?
[02:15] <GermainZ> Brb, trying another edit.
[02:18] <GermainZ> Nope, didn't help.
[02:26] <nyRednek> my sound quit working after i was forced to wipe my home dir\
[02:27] <nyRednek> aplay -l still finds the sound card, and i'm part of the audio group, but sound doesn't work
[02:29] <g16> nyRednek: check the volume level
[02:30] <nyRednek> g16, no option to adjust voume
[02:30] <nyRednek> volume
[02:30] <g16> nyRednek: menu "Applications" >> Multimedia >> PulseAudio
[02:31] <nyRednek> Connection to PulseAudio Failed
[02:32] <nyRednek> attempted to start-pulseaudio-x11, got connection refused
[02:37] <GermainZ> Also, /proc/acpi/toshiba/ exists but doesn't contain a file named "lcd"... some suggested using fnfx which fails because of that.
[03:07] <dydzEz2_> anyone know how to remove $vt_handoff
[03:07] <dydzEz2_> from grub
[03:09] <dydzEz2_> it causes me black screens for some reason
[03:09] <dydzEz2_> if i remove it while booting it works fine
[03:14] <koegs> dydzEz2_: you could remote quiet and splash from /etc/default/grub
[03:14] <dydzEz2_> did you have this problem koegs
[03:14] <dydzEz2_> on your laptop
[03:15] <koegs> npe
[03:15] <koegs> nope
[03:15] <dydzEz2_> i dont know how to do that
[03:15] <koegs> but i also never installed ubuntu-restricted-extras :D
[03:16] <koegs> dydzEz2_: edit /etc/default/grub with sudo-rights
[03:16] <koegs> just remove the wird "splash" and then do a "sudo update-grub"
[03:16] <koegs> *word
[03:17] <dydzEz2_> i need like exact commands lol
[03:18] <dydzEz2_> if i remove splash it does work (when i go to e in grub)
[03:18] <koegs> "sudo nano /etc/default/grub"
[03:18] <koegs> remove the word splash, save the file
[03:18] <koegs> "sudo update-grub"
[03:20] <dydzEz2_> so
[03:20] <dydzEz2_> its just
[03:20] <dydzEz2_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
[03:20] <dydzEz2_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" as opposed to that
[03:21] <koegs> yes
[03:22] <dydzEz2_> yeah works
[03:22] <dydzEz2_> thanks
[03:22] <GermainZ> I have the toshiba acpi modules (find / | grep toshiba_acpi returns a few matches), but toshset (among others) insists that "required kernel toshiba support not enabled"...
[03:23] <GermainZ> also lsmod | grep toshiba returns toshiba_acpi as well ...
[03:25] <GermainZ> I'm hoping getting it to work will also (it should) fix my issue with fn keys ... and possibly the screen's backlight brightness.
[03:25] <GermainZ> Any ideas?
[03:26] <amiu> check the BIOS
[03:26] <GermainZ> Nothing relevant in the BIOS settings ..
[03:27] <amiu> make sure the keys are enabled and dont have any weird settings. ive come across a few laptops that have BIOS configurable options for Fn (like a Dell that by default required CTRL + FN + whatever)
[03:27] <GermainZ> Yeah, that's enabled, already checked it (FN keys)
[03:27] <amiu> thats all i got
[03:27] <GermainZ> Actually, *some* FN keys work... probably only 2 if I didn't forget anything: fn+3 and fn+4
[03:28] <GermainZ> Which changes the volume. Everything else doesn't.
[03:29] <Jeff_Williams> Hello i need a little bit of help
[03:31] <dydzEz2> lol honestly thanks to you koegs seems likemy xubuntu is set
[03:31] <dydzEz2> i did have a internet problem but that wasnt xubuntus fault, i had both 5ghz and 2.4ghz activated on my router, so i shut down the 5ghz
[03:31] <dydzEz2> it was switching between the two making it very slow
[03:33] <Jeff_Williams> i need a little help when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade i get E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[03:33] <Jeff_Williams> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[03:33] <Jeff_Williams> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[03:33] <Jeff_Williams> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:33] <GermainZ> Jeff_Williams, sudo apt-get ....
[03:34] <koegs> actually "sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:34] <Jeff_Williams> fail V_V im still new to this
[03:34] <GermainZ> "..." stands for the rest :P
[03:34] <GermainZ> Oh, never mind. Didn't notice the missing dist.
[03:35] <GermainZ> Jeff_Williams, error messages are usually helpful. "are you root?", for instance.
[03:35] <Jeff_Williams> now i get sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:35] <Jeff_Williams> [sudo] password for jeff:
[03:35] <Jeff_Williams> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:35] <Jeff_Williams> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:35] <GermainZ> Are you running the Software Center? Close it.
[03:37] <Jeff_Williams> :/ linux hates me today :/
[03:38] <Jeff_Williams> i closed the Software Center and same error
[03:38] <GermainZ> Was the software center installing something?
[03:38] <Jeff_Williams> i was b4 it said it finished
[03:39] <GermainZ> Jeff_Williams, you have to wait till it finishes. Wait for a bit then try again
[03:39] <Jeff_Williams> k
[03:39] <GermainZ> BTW, slight update to my problem: changing the volume does show the notification, but the volume doesn't actually change. It's always maximized. Same for brightness.
[03:41] <GermainZ> Oh well, I'll worry about that later. Good night, everyone :)
[03:41] <Jeff_Williams> oh one other thin how do i remove win 8 and keep linux since i have it dual installed?
[03:44] <moetunes> Jeff_Williams:  format the win partition and update grub
[03:47] <Jeff_Williams> K thank you :)
[05:35] <tdlam> hello all
[05:36] <tdlam> Im having an issue with my xfce panel...it no longer is at the top of the screen...it 3/4 the way down and I can't seem to make it move back
[05:37] <moetunes> tdlam:  when you right click the panel a menu should popup
[05:38] <tdlam> oh it does but there's no way to adjust it back...I can make it go verticle or hrizontal...but horizontal just puts it 3/4 the way up the screen
[05:39] <holstein> tdlam: you can always remove the .config for it to "get it back"
[05:39] <holstein> tdlam: i would make a new user, to play around with the panels and elements... or try messing with the desktop from a live CD or from the guest session
[05:39] <tdlam> hmmm ok how would I find that?
[05:40] <holstein> tdlam: i would just relax, and maybe take a screenshot to help demo what you are talking about
[05:40] <tdlam> sorry I meant, where would I find the config file?
[05:41] <holstein> tdlam: in ~/.config
[05:41] <holstein> but,, i wouldnt worry about that... just know that you *can* get back to default
[05:42] <holstein> what is happening? and what would you like to have happen?
[05:42] <holstein> for me, i just grab the panel, and move it around.. you can make a new one.. you should see in the right click menu lots of options.. the menu moetunes mentioned
[05:43] <tdlam> sorry I appreciate your help but I am a bit lost my friend...what is happening is that the panel which used to be at the top of the screen is now at the 3/4 way down the screen and I cant move it up back to the top.
[05:43] <holstein> tdlam: well, you havent learned how to.. you *can*
[05:44] <holstein> tdlam: what do you see when you right click on the panel as moetunes suggests?
[05:44] <tdlam> brb...I'm actually in LXDE ATM cause the panel was so annoying...will have to log out and back in...sorry brb
[05:46] <tdlam> sorry I am back now in Xubuntu...
[05:46] <tdlam> right clicking on the panel brings up menu drop down yes
[05:46] <holstein> nothing to be sorry about.. just rightclick on the panel, and experiment with the options til you get it moved where you want it
[05:48] <tdlam> cant move it any higher...there "horizontal. vertical, and deskbar...but none let me move it higher
[05:48] <holstein> tdlam: i'll need to see a screenshot to be any more help
[05:48] <holstein> tdlam: if you can move it at all... you should be able to move it higher
[05:48] <holstein> if not, something else is the issue
[05:48] <tdlam> ok...sorry but how can I send youy a screenie?
[05:48] <holstein> what would i do?
[05:49] <holstein> maybe just move the config files out of the way, and get the defaults back
[05:49] <holstein> i would then experiement with another user account.. or the guest account
[05:50] <holstein> tdlam: you can take a picture with a camera.. you can take a screenshot... i usually just shate with imagebin
[05:50] <tdlam> ok but how do I get the screenie to you?
[05:50] <holstein> tdlam: i use imagebin
[05:50] <tdlam> ok chking
[05:51] <holstein> shate was supposed to be share.. i share with imagebin
[05:51] <holstein> share with dropbox... ubuntuone... whatever you like
[05:52] <BillyZane> hi
[05:52] <BillyZane> i can't get icons to work
[05:52] <holstein> BillyZane: what icons.. whats not working?
[05:53] <BillyZane> When I go in to settings manager -> appearance -> icons, then click on icons, the icons on the bottom don't change
[05:53] <holstein> BillyZane: on the bottom of what?
[05:53] <tdlam> maybe i should just edit that config file...I dont have accounts with any of those share services
[05:53] <holstein> tdlam: i would just remove that config file, or just move it out of the way.. and login
[05:53] <BillyZane> holstein: the second panel. the one that has all the launch icons
[05:53] <tdlam> if you could tell me what config file i need to edit that would be good
[05:54] <holstein> tdlam: you dont need an account with imagebin
[05:54] <tdlam> ok chking imagebin
[05:54] <holstein> tdlam: you dont edit it... you just move it out of the way or delete it
[05:54] <tdlam> ok where is that file? I dont see it
[05:54] <holstein> tdlam: its hidden.. you can use control h to show them
[05:55] <BillyZane> i'm in xbuntu, I want my launch icons to look like the first picture on http://www.xfce.org/
[05:55] <holstein> tdlam: i would navigate to ~/.config/xfce4 and look for a panel directory
[05:55] <tdlam> I have hidden files shown...ok chking
[05:55] <BillyZane> I was told that was the faenza theme. I downloaded it, it is in my .icons folder. However, I've never been able to get any icons changing
[05:56] <holstein> BillyZane: i would say, thats not the faenza theme
[05:56] <BillyZane> holstein: oh, which one is it?
[05:56] <holstein> BillyZane: i would just email them and ask what theme they are..otherwise, it'll just be trial and error
[05:56] <holstein> BillyZane: its ont of the basic ones
[05:56] <holstein> one*
[05:56] <tdlam> i see launcher-12 and fsguard-10.rc
[05:57] <BillyZane> holstein: I'm unable to change icons, so I can't figure out which one it is
[05:57] <BillyZane> can anyone help me fix it?
[05:57] <holstein> tdlam: its literally /home/yourusername/.config
[05:57] <holstein> BillyZane: its not broken
[05:57] <holstein> BillyZane: i dont think you are choosing the proper icon set
[05:57] <holstein> BillyZane: are you using an xfce panel there at the bottom?
[05:58] <BillyZane> holstein: Well, What I do is click/double-click on an icon theme in the icons tab in the appearance manager. It does not cause any changes
[05:58] <BillyZane> yes
[05:58] <holstein> BillyZane: i would email the xfce page and see what icon set that is... its one of the basic ones though
[05:58] <amiu> ive seen this
[05:59] <BillyZane> brb
[05:59] <holstein> tdlam: http://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings
[06:00] <tdlam> ok but theres a slew of folders in .config and under xfc4/panel is launcher-12 folder and fsguard-10.rc file
[06:01] <tdlam> ok my friend I will try the link you sent TY
[06:04] <dydzEz2> is there like a conky for XFCE
[06:04] <holstein> tdlam: or, just remove the panel directory
[06:04] <dydzEz2> whats the sire for XFCE for desktop apps / mods
[06:04] <holstein> tdlam: you must move it... or remove it.. the entire directory
[06:05] <holstein> dydzEz2: conky is the same in xfce
[06:05] <tdlam> ok that link seemed to have done the trick...TY...now I have to configure it again but at least its back where it was TY frind
[06:06] <tdlam> *friend
[06:06] <dydzEz2> holstein wheres a good site to get nice things like conky
[06:07] <holstein> dydzEz2: not sure what you mean by "nice".. i would just search for what you are looking for
[06:07] <holstein> as clearly as possible
[06:07] <BillyZane> holstein: finding out what the theme is, is one thing. finding out why I can't load icons is another. I need to find out the later
[06:07] <dydzEz2> well i found about conky form like some gnome site
[06:07] <dydzEz2> gnome-look or something
[06:07] <holstein> dydzEz2: you mean, things like conky for xfce?
[06:07] <dydzEz2> yeah
[06:07] <holstein> dydzEz2: you can use conky on xfce... its the same
[06:10] <dydzEz2> so holstein using http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/CONKY-colors?content=92328 conky-colors
[06:10] <dydzEz2> would work fine on xubuntu
[06:10] <dydzEz2> i used to use this a while ago
[06:10] <dydzEz2> looks very nice
[06:11] <holstein> dydzEz2: conky is the same
[06:11] <dydzEz2> ok i get what your saying
[06:12] <dydzEz2> depending on the next answer i get what youre saying 100 percent
[06:12] <dydzEz2> will gnome build tool work fine on xubuntu and not mess up anything
[06:12] <dydzEz2> jhbuild
[06:13] <holstein> its in the repos.. i would just install it and try it
[06:13] <holstein> im not saying you cant break your system with it
[06:13] <holstein> !info jhbuild
[06:14] <holstein> i havent used it.. but theres nothing about xfce that should break it, or be broken by it
[06:14] <dydzEz2> thanks for the answers
[06:14] <holstein> dydzEz2: applications pretty much work the same in xfce or gnome
[06:15] <dydzEz2> right unless if im dealing with like a gnome theme or something
[06:15] <holstein> you havent mentioned a gnome specific theme
[06:16] <dydzEz2> i know
[06:16] <dydzEz2> i get what youre saying now
[06:16] <dydzEz2>  i just said that as an example
[06:16] <holstein> jhbuild should do what it does.. though, the thing it builds might only run in gnome
[06:16] <dydzEz2> gnome specific no no , general applications like conky yes yes
[06:16] <dydzEz2> yeah
[06:17] <holstein> well, most gnome-specific is just gtk..
[06:19] <dydzEz2> so whats unity all about, isnt it considered its like own desktop env now
[06:20] <dydzEz2> shouldnt someone come out with Gubuntu
[06:21] <holstein> dydzEz2: ubuntu is doing what it always did.. provide the most current version of gnome in the default repos
[06:21] <holstein> dydzEz2: you can check out unity in the main ubuntu live CD
[06:21] <holstein> dydzEz2: im sure there are plenty of gnome distros based on ubuntu if you search somewhere like distro watch
[06:30] <holstein> dydzEz2: enjoy!.. im sure someone in the offtopic channel would discuss gnome and/or gnome on ubuntu... im out for the evening.. cheers!
[08:42] <xubuntu883> Hello
[08:43] <amiu> hi
[08:44] <xubuntu883> I'm having a bit of a problem with xfce4-timer-plugin, on the main theme the timer bar is the same color as the background
[08:44] <xubuntu883> Anyone encountered this before
[08:44] <xubuntu883> ?
[08:45] <xubuntu883> From what I understand the colors are defined in the theme
[08:46] <amiu> you can right click on the bar -> panel ->prefs
[08:49] <xubuntu883> Yes, it's possible to get the prefs for the plugin but there's no option for changing the timer "bar" color. It looks fine on different themes though
[08:57] <xubuntu883> Thanks for your help amiu, I'm out
[08:58] <amiu> i dont remember where i saw that
[09:09] <Furah> hi guys, run into a bit of a problem and wondering if I can get some help
[09:09] <Furah> I'm running xubuntu 12.10
[09:10] <moetunes> Furah:  what sort of problem?
[09:10] <Furah> basically, I had some issues that I decided I'd solve by using the live CD to repair it, and now it seems to have frozen up restoring previous packages
[09:11] <moetunes> what's frozen up ?
[09:11] <Furah> the CLI last spammed me with messages all saying things similar to "xubuntu ubiquity: WARNING:root:can't add xdesktop4 (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)"
[09:12] <moetunes> apt, synaptics, the terminal or... ??
[09:12] <moetunes> k
[09:13] <Furah> been sitting here for 10-15 minutes not doing anything since I'd rather not do anything that could break anything
[09:13] <moetunes> so what's frozen up ?
[09:14] <moetunes> frozen = can't do anything
[09:14] <Furah> it's not frozen up more so as I think it's sitting here waiting for a command that isn't being issued due to all these warnings not eing accounted for
[09:15] <Furah> yes, I do now realise frozen was a bad choice in words
[09:15] <moetunes> I'd hit enter
[09:15] <moetunes> probably bring the prompt up
[09:15] <Furah> hitting enter does nothing other than go to a new line
[09:17] <Furah> would a reboot be safe?
[09:17] <moetunes> ok - open another terminal and check if apt is still running
[09:17] <moetunes> with   ps ax | grep apt
[09:18] <Furah> maybe I didn't explain myself properly, this is still in the install interface
[09:18] <moetunes> so no graphical environment?
[09:19] <moetunes> there's another tty you can get to with ctrl+alt+F2
[09:20] <amiu> i doubt its running if you in install and its just sitting idle
[11:00] <Jeff_Williams> hmm im trying to use avconv to live stream on twitch but i keep get [x11grab @ 0x202d9c0] Couldn't parse video size.:0.0: Invalid argument im trying to follow this tut online but its not helping
[13:19] <xubuntu856> buon pomeriggio
[13:20] <xubuntu856> da alcuni giorni non mi funziona sorgenti software e mi appare un messaggio di crash
[13:21] <xubuntu856> qualcuno di voi ha lo stesso problema ?
[13:37] <Catbuntu> Hi
[14:28] <c2tarun> xubuntu terminal doesn't scroll by mouse, is this feature absent or disabled?
[14:44] <torax> c2tarun: my terminal scrolls with mouse
[14:46] <c2tarun> torax, :(
[16:44] <xubuntu858> hi
[18:01] <c2tarun> Hi friends, I have Xubuntu installed on my machine. I installed ati graphics driver also. Now if I install some other desktop environment like LXDE or enlightenment then do I have to install graphics driver again? (I don't think so, just want to confirm)
[18:02] <holstein> c2tarun: no.. you arguably dont *have* to install the ati driver at all.. but you can if you want/need it
[18:02] <holstein> will the driver work for the other destkop environments without need of configuring/reinstalling?.. should
[18:02] <c2tarun> holstein, actually if I don't install the driver, my laptop heats up a lot.
[18:03] <c2tarun> holstein, so even if I don't feel any video problem I have to install graphics driver.
[18:04] <holstein> c2tarun: i am saying you dont have to install it in the first place.. but since you have, you shouldnt need to do anything when installing, switching to, or jumping between desktp environments
[18:04] <c2tarun> holstein, great :) thank, can you please suggest me some desktop env apart from GNOME, KDE, XFCE and LXDE?
[18:05]  * c2tarun right now looking into enlightenment.
[18:05] <holstein> c2tarun: i would just search in the package manager of your choice.. i use openbox.. so does LXDE
[18:05] <holstein> a desktop environment is not quite the same as a window manager..
[18:05] <holstein> razor qt is a nice new-ish one.. pantheon
[18:05] <c2tarun> holstein, whats the difference?
[18:06] <holstein> c2tarun: many things are the difference
[18:06]  * c2tarun googling now
[18:06] <holstein> c2tarun: what do i do? i usually just look up a live distro on distrowatch and try them
[18:07] <c2tarun> holstein, yeah, I tried them. Mint has quite impressive performance but seems boring, since last week I tried, mint KDE, bodhi linux, crunch bang, Ubuntu, Kubuntu. Till now cruncbang and Xubuntu are the best
[18:07] <c2tarun> so now trying to install something over Xubuntu only
[18:07] <holstein> you tried them? you've tried razorQT? and awesome?
[18:08] <c2tarun> holstein, I tried all, razorQT is an windows manager?
[18:08] <holstein> c2tarun: so, youve tried razorQT then? and awesome?
[18:09] <c2tarun> holstein, looking into it now, is it stable?
[18:09] <holstein> c2tarun: they are alternatives that i am asking for clarification, if you say "i have tried them all"
[18:09] <holstein> c2tarun: stable?... i mean, we can find a bug in unity... or gnome.. or windows
[18:09] <holstein> c2tarun: stable can sometimes depend on what you are doing as well
[18:09] <c2tarun> yeah bugs are fine :)
[18:09] <holstein> c2tarun: what would i do? i wouldnt assume you have tried *everything*
[18:10] <c2tarun> but sometimes crashing system and refuging to start is kind of daunting :(
[18:10] <holstein> c2tarun: there are *lots* of windows managers and alternatives
[18:10] <c2tarun> which is what happened with me in bodhi, and its lead developer jef was also not able to help
[18:10] <holstein> i have no idea what you mean by "installing something over xubuntu"
[18:10] <c2tarun> holstein, installing a new DE in xubuntu
[18:10] <holstein> xubuntu is using XFCE... XFCE pretty much does everything.. its a destkop environment
[18:10] <c2tarun> obviously I can't try everything
[18:11] <c2tarun> :)
[18:11] <holstein> c2tarun: you can
[18:11] <holstein> c2tarun: you just shouldng say "i have tried everything" when you havent
[18:11] <c2tarun> holstein, yeah right :) I mean I tried few among the top in distrowatch, sorry for not clear statement
[18:11] <holstein> c2tarun: what do i think would be consrtuctive? try a few of the different ones live
[18:12] <holstein> c2tarun: a few among the top is *quite* different from all
[18:12] <holstein> c2tarun: i suggest razorQT because is is different and not included by default.. the same of pantheon
[18:12] <c2tarun> holstein, yup, razorQT looks promising
[18:12] <holstein> c2tarun: we can continue discussing non XFCE related desktops in the offtopic channel :)
[18:13] <c2tarun> holstein, :) BTW what do you use on Xubuntu, just plain XFCE or any other DE as well?
[18:14] <holstein> c2tarun: i use ubuntustudio on my production machine.. and im active in the ubuntustudio team.. we use XFCE
[18:14] <holstein> c2tarun: i run/test a little bit of everything
[18:14] <c2tarun> ohh... thats nice :)
[18:14] <holstein> openbox is on my daily use netbook... and i use LXDE often
[18:23] <c2tarun> I found this pretty decent article for window manager vs desktop environment. Just wanted to share in case anyone wants : http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager/
[18:24] <holstein> c2tarun: cool.. i would share that in the offtopic channel.. since the topic of this channel *is* xfce, and the support of xubuntu
[18:35] <tim> !help
[18:55] <melodie> hello, do someone here use xubuntu in french ?
[18:55] <Unit193> !fr
[18:55] <melodie> I would like to know if in the live there is a desktop folder having for name "Desktop" or is it named "Bureau" ?
[18:56] <melodie> Unit193, you are fast thinker, but you thought not what I was going do ask, did you ?
[18:57] <Unit193> Ummm... What?  I don't quite get that...
[18:57] <Unit193> I could only guess that it's called "Desktop", but no idea.
[18:58] <melodie> I'll do a deeper reserch and test if necessary, thanks.
[18:59] <melodie> I try to make custom versions, for now in lubuntu and I would like to do the same with xubuntu, then I wonder how to make some icons I put on the desktop follow after install, whatever language will be used
[19:00] <melodie> it's a delicate matter, because there is a home made script in the casper directory for that, but the icons are created only in the live and don't follow after install.
[19:22] <Malinuss> If a notebook is rated to work with ubuntu, can I expect it to work with no problems, out of the installation with xbunutu too? I mean, with drivers and stuff?
[19:23] <Unit193> The core (drivers, X, etc) are the same, so it should work just fine with Xubuntu.
[19:23] <Malinuss> yeah, the only difference is the DE, and the extra software that comes with it, am I right?
[19:24] <Unit193> Pretty much, config, default applications and DE.
[19:24] <Unit193> Same repos, and still has the "Additional Drivers" program.
[19:26] <Malinuss> thought so, haven't really used linux the last 8-10 years, and was a kid back then. So kinda taking my time to get into it
[19:29] <melodie> Malinuss, most of the time once you will have booted to a Live (try only first option) you can see if everything works well
[19:30] <Malinuss> ah, i'll try that
[19:30] <melodie> in ubuntu nowadays to access the 4 entry options you will have to press the space bar of the keyboard at the first image : when you see just plain color with two small images in the middle down of the screen
[19:30] <Malinuss> but xubuntu, seems like the middlething between the full-blown ubuntu, and the more sparse lubuntu, right?
[19:31] <Unit193> It is midweight, correct.  More of a classic DE as well.
[19:31] <melodie> yes, it is a really good choice when you have 1 GB minimum (they say 512 but I always feel being larger is better)
[19:32] <melodie> less than that I would always advice Lubuntu, or even lighter if possible
[19:32] <Unit193> Correct, I wouldn't install Xubuntu on something with less than 1G, though the desktop itself doesn't take all that much.
[19:35] <Malinuss> yeah I'm using the acer spire one d255 with 1GB ram, and dual core 1.66ghz... So I'm kinda between xubuntu and lubuntu. I just don't really like the looks of lubuntu...
[19:36] <Unit193> Malinuss: I'm using it with 1G on one of the computers, you can fix up a couple things to make it work better of course.
[19:36] <Malinuss> such as?
[19:37] <Malinuss> shit. brb
[19:37] <Unit193> Disable any services/startup applications you don't need, a couple of things I do with Firefox, and Xombrero as a secondary... Ah.
 Disable any services/startup applications you don't need, a couple of things I do with Firefox, and Xombrero as a secondary ...browser.  I personally use an optimized kernel, but not going to officially recommend that.
[19:54] <Malinuss> ah, okay thanks
[20:20] <Malinuss> Unit193, what would a "optimzed kernal" be? At least give me some keywords to google
[20:20] <Taylr0x> Good evening all.
[20:20] <melodie> same Taylr0x
[20:21] <Taylr0x> First time ever using Xubuntu and I must say I love this desktop environment!
[20:21] <Unit193> Malinuss: I can't recommend it, and it's not supported here, but on one computer I compile it, on another I use stock, and on the last I use Liquorix (and even have a mirror of their repo on my server)
[20:21] <melodie> I also think it's quite neat
[20:30] <Taylr0x> Don't suppose you know how I stop xchat joining the Debian channel automatically do you?
[20:33] <Unit193> Remove it from your "favorites", or something like that at least.  (Never used it.)
[20:34] <Taylr0x> Been through every option I can find and I cant seem to find that sort of feature. No auto start or 'connect upon start' that I can find.
[20:34] <Taylr0x> How odd.
[20:34] <Malinuss> Taylr0x, xchat->networklist->whatever server #debian is on->edit->remove from fav
[20:34] <laite> I have explicit "Debian Servers" in server list @ xchat
[20:34] <melodie> Taylr0x, not that difficult wait a sec I look
[20:34] <laite> should be there
[20:35] <yeik> So, I am having a weird issue. each time I connect via ssh to one of my linux boxes, if it is a new session from that device, it rejects the ssh private key and asks me for a password. the next session works without a password
[20:35] <melodie> Taylr0x, Xchat menus > List of networks
[20:35] <yeik> this isn't due to encrypted folders because my account is logged into and i keep screen sessions open at all times. it has only started happening a few weeks ago. any thoughts?
[20:35] <melodie> then in this one windows right down left tick or untick "list of networks at start"
[20:36] <Taylr0x> Malinuss, melodie many thanks!
[20:36] <melodie> is that what you were looking for ?
[20:36] <Taylr0x> Seems to be the one.
[20:36] <melodie> ok
[20:36] <Unit193> yeik: Check authlog, maybe syslog too?
[20:37] <Taylr0x> One way to find out. Be right back.
[20:37] <Taylr0x> Beautiful!
[20:38] <melodie> :)
[20:38] <Malinuss> so to "unistall" programs, I just use the software manager, right?
[20:39] <yeik> Unit193: sshd[24800]: pam_ecryptfs: Passphrase file wrapped - only thing i really see in the log (other than failed attempts to hack in)
[20:40] <laite> Malinuss: generally yes
[20:40] <Malinuss> laite, and "not generally" :) ?
[20:41] <laite> well, if you've installed program from there you can (and should) also 'uninstall' it there
[20:41] <Unit193> You can use synaptic, USC, apt-get, aptitude.
[20:41] <laite> of course, this can also be done in command line :)
[20:41] <Unit193> !software
[20:42] <yeik> Malinuss: i think what is trying to be said, if you install it through a normal package, it should install itself through the software manager. however some packages or ones that you download the source code and compile yourself will not be in the software manager.
[20:43] <Malinuss> okay, thanks I think I get it
[20:59] <yeik> ok. so i ran sshd in -d mode, on a different port, and attempted a connection it said it could not open the authorized keys '~/.ssh/authorized_keys' : no such file or directory
[20:59] <SonikkuAmerica> yeik: I assume you have OpenSSH installed already?
[21:00] <yeik> yes
[21:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you check to see whether that directory exists?
[21:00] <SonikkuAmerica> (I'm not sure how it's done in Thunar?
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> But you can use an option in [ ls ]
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> *that was a ), not a ?
[21:01] <yeik> SonikkuAmerica, it exists. it is where I have all of my authorized keys. this issue only happens on the first connection from a different client computer
[21:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Is that client your target? If so, it also needs the authorized_keys file.
[21:02] <Malinuss> okay, antother question. When installing xubuntu, on a pc where windows 7 is already installed, is it possible, to simply make a partition out of some of the free memory that windows is on, and install xubuntu there?
[21:03] <yeik> Malinuss, I believe xubuntu cd's and ubuntu cd's allow a side by side install if you run it from inside windows without partitioning off the free space. that should be the easiest option
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> yeik: It's called Wubi and it's deprecated as of 12.10 for Xubuntu.
[21:03] <yeik> ahh.
[21:04] <Malinuss> so it's impossible to partition a disk on which there is something already, without deleting that data?
[21:04] <yeik> the next option is to use the disk manager, or a partition software to shrink the windows partition and then you can install xubuntu on that partition
[21:04] <Unit193> No, but it's always recommended to back that data up.
[21:05] <Malinuss> okay, anyone knows a good partition manager for windows?
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> yeik: You can use a trick to force Wubi to install Xubuntu 12.10+, but it's NOT recommended.
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Malinuss: There is one: Press Windows + R and type "diskmgmt.msc" and press ENTER.
[21:05] <Unit193> Malinuss: If you boot the live CD, you can use gparted or let Ubiquity do it.
[21:05] <recon_lap> Malinuss: make a gparted live cd
[21:06] <yeik> disk manager should work in windows 7. if not there is easus, paragon hard disk manager, and many others.
[21:06] <Malinuss> what if I install from usb, is that the same thing? So the installer can do it?
[21:07] <yeik> Malinuss, I suggest you use diskmgmt first, as suggested by SonikkuAmerica, there will be less chance of destroying data using the built in partition manager than by using gparted.
[21:07] <Malinuss> okay, I'll do that, thank you for the help
[21:07] <SonikkuAmerica> ESPECIALLY if you have/want to shrink your NTFS partition (where Windows is).
[21:07]  * yeik nods
[21:08] <Malinuss> thanks again guys
[21:08] <yeik> so SonikkuAmerica, is it just Xubuntu 12.10+ or is it ubuntu 12.10+ as well?
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Just Xubuntu. But Ubuntu Studio (which uses Xfce desktop) will be available in Wubi 13.04
[21:10] <yeik> that is interesting. I'll make sure to keep note of that. I don't often come here and help people out, but its a good bit to know.
[21:13] <Katbuntu> Hi
[21:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo!
[21:15] <yeik> uh oh, here we go
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Afterthought: Mythbuntu will also work with Wubi (as it currently does)
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> which also uses Xfce
[21:18] <yeik> Now that is strange. I never really used it. think I tried it once to see what it would do.
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> MythTV is a DVR. Mythbuntu works alongside it.
[21:22] <yeik> not Mythtv/Mythubuntu. i was speaking more on Wubi.
[21:22] <yeik> I would like to get Mythtv/Mythbuntu set up but don't have a card to record videos :(
[21:24] <Taylr0x> Is there a Xubuntu off topic channel or is this it?
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:25] <Taylr0x> Many thanks SonikkuAmerica
[21:26] <Taylr0x> Is there any way to get the rubbish bin shortcut onto the panel at the bottom of the desktop?
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Taylr0x: It's not there already?
[21:27] <Taylr0x> Ignore me. Found it. Asked the question before I'd actually looked (as I'm sure most beginners do stupidly).
[21:27] <Taylr0x> SonikkuAmerica, no it wasn't. It was only on my desktop as a shortcut. Not on my panel.
[21:27] <Taylr0x> Slowly but surely learning my way around this =)
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, you add it the same way you add other Xfce panel items.
[21:27] <Taylr0x> First time I've used Xfce you see.
[21:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Right click the Panel > Panel... > Add Items
[21:28] <SonikkuAmerica> *Add New Items
[21:28] <yeik> I don't like the way XFCE has been doing the default layout lately. I always move the bottom bar to the left, add another bar for my tasks, and make the top bar my menu bar.
[21:29] <Taylr0x> yeik, it does take some getting used to doesn't it.
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> I've been debating whether or not to install GNOME (at least Panel) in Studio
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, what the heck...
[21:30] <Taylr0x> hehe =)
[21:30] <Taylr0x> Quick question for you. How do you create shortcuts on the panels for things such as 'file system', which I already have on my desktop but not my panel.
[21:32] <Taylr0x> And I take it I can't remove the bin, file system and home icons that are on there by default?
[21:33] <recon_lap> no, wet windy and cold :)
[21:34] <g16> Panel > Add Items > An item is called folder menu or something like that
[21:34] <g16> You can remove the icons from the desktop via the desktop settings, accessible via the settings manager
[21:34] <yeik> Taylr0x, beautiful thing is, i can change it any time and any way I want! so it doesn't bother me except with fresh installs.
[21:38] <Taylr0x> Brilliant thank you g16.
[21:41] <Taylr0x> SonikkuAmerica, installed Gnome?
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Going back. Can't take Xfce any longer.
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | WARNING
[21:48] <Malinuss> can't wait to see any speed improvments on xubuntu, compared to win 7 starter edition
[21:53] <Taylr0x> What are the commands to update again?
[21:56] <Malinuss> sudo apt-get update/upgrade and dis-udpdate, I think ;D
[21:57] <torax> depends on what you want to update
[22:06] <Malinuss> yeik, I tried using diskmgmt, I have a hdd with 172gb free space (220gb total), I can only shrink it by 12gb! Is there anything I can do to be abel to shrink it more, in order to be abel to install xubuntu?
[22:08] <yeik> Malinuss, I would suggest seeing if your hard drive needs a defrag. if it tells you that you have 172 gb free and it isn't letting you shrink it past 12gb there must be files located near the end of the partition or  something else going on with it.
[22:09] <Malinuss> yeah I tried defragmenting it, didn't seems to help, also it would suprise me, because in windows 7 defragments hdd's automatically once a week, so it shouldn't really be a problem...
[22:11] <recon_lap> Malinuss: you sure you did not mis-read the setting when trying to shrink ?
[22:14] <Malinuss> recon_lap, yep, just shrinked it by the 12gb. now I have 12GB free, and 4gb allocated, and the ~200gb windows partition. Any way to add the 12gb free and the 4gb allocated to eachother?
[22:18] <recon_lap> Malinuss: what are you using to shrink the drive?
[22:18] <Malinuss> I try to defragment it again, and hope for the best (trying to shrink it again, and it told me I could shrink it by 0 mb).... I'm using the windows tool recon_lap
[22:19] <Malinuss> recon_lap, I want to shrink it, so I can install xubuntu
[22:19] <yeik> Malinuss, so if you open my computer the c: drive says 172 gb free?
[22:19] <Malinuss> yes
[22:19] <Malinuss> well now 12gb less
[22:19] <recon_lap> Malinuss: I'd suggest you get a live cd or usb with gparted and use that. and I think the installer will do it automatically. but back up data
[22:20] <yeik> and in disk management, it says like 80% free?
[22:20] <Malinuss> yeik, yes
[22:20] <yeik> recon_lap, i suggested using disk management because it will have less chance to corrupt data while shrinking partitions
[22:21] <Malinuss> and yeah I already backed up everything important
[22:22] <yeik> Malinuss, go ahead and boot up the usb and try an install
[22:22] <recon_lap> yeik: I like gparted(it works) and dislike MS software.
[22:23] <Malinuss> yeik, so I shouldn't make a partition out of the free space first?
[22:23] <Malinuss> yeik, also yeah I do that, I just run defrag one more time, just to be sure
[22:23] <recon_lap> Malinuss: the xubuntu installer give you access to a partition manager
[22:24] <Malinuss> I see. I'll try that
[22:25] <yeik> recon_lap, last time i booted gparted live cd, it didn't recognize the drive partitioning of a windows server. had to use a windows box to work on the partition.
[22:31] <Guest11525> ToZ, thanks :)
[22:33] <recon_lap> yeik: probably some sort of RAID
[23:56] <Malinuss> does it matter on which pc I've made the usb-boot?
[23:56] <Malinuss> or should I make it on the computer I want to use it on?
[23:59] <amiu> it doesnt matter