[03:53] <smartboyhw> Hey guys
[04:38] <wgrant> yofel: I see you run a kubuntu-dev-tools launchpadlib script that still uses Archive.syncSource. Any chance you could migrate it to the newer, less deprecated, more reliable Archive.copyPackage API instead?
[09:34] <yofel_> wgrant: Hm. What's the problem with syncSource? I would prefer to have the scripted copy happen synchronously. copyPackage is async. But I can change it if it causes problems.
[09:36] <wgrant> yofel: syncSource is prone to timeouts because it's synchronous, so it's deprecated and there's only a couple of users left.
[09:36] <wgrant> You could poll getPublishedSources every so often to see if the copy is complete, I guess.
[09:37] <yofel> well, I only copy one package at a time so I never had it time out. But in most cases an async copy would be fine, so I'll make that the default and add an option to opt-in to syncPackage
[09:37] <wgrant> Thanks
[09:43] <Riddell> morning
[10:08] <jussi> Morning all
[10:30] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1117912] empty window spawns from notification bar @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1117912 (by ill)
[11:45] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is rather annoying documentation
[11:46] <apachelogger> Requesting a Backport\nBackports must be approved by the Ubuntu Backporters team, but anybody can request a backport[...]
[11:46] <Riddell> it is all a bit beurocratic
[11:47] <apachelogger> there I thought requesting a backport would actually tell me that, but first I have to read through a pointless para about how it needs to be approved ... and I do know backports need to be approved and tested and stuff -.-
[11:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: you could just quietly do it anyway and risk the wrath of scottk and corey burger
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll just run the requestbackport script and hope it's enough :P
[12:07] <apachelogger> and it failed me already
[12:08] <Riddell> what are you backporting?
[12:08] <apachelogger> mangonel
[12:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: that thing any good?
[12:10] <Riddell> what's it got that krunner doesn't?
[12:11] <Riddell> not an insuitive user interface it seems
[12:12] <Riddell> how do I launch it?
[12:12] <apachelogger> ctrl-alt-space
[12:12] <apachelogger> and the advantage over krunner is that krunner tends to be so slow that I enter one app and it opens another becuase it's not done searching or something by the time I hit enter
[12:13] <apachelogger> also generally nicer :)
[12:13]  * apachelogger liked katapult
[12:14] <Riddell> mm yes that is faster
[12:15] <Riddell> but does it give you recommendations from amazon?
[12:15] <jussi> hahah
[12:15] <Riddell> cos I think that could be really useful when trying to open dolphin
[12:16] <Riddell> agateau: did that new homerun ever get a release?
[12:19] <apachelogger> oh so many bugs to triage :(
[12:19]  * apachelogger cries
[12:20] <apachelogger> oh, actually I should update our pvlc first
[12:20] <apachelogger> meh
[12:39] <Riddell> ScottK: what's your view on lts updating?
[12:51] <Riddell> yofel, ScottK: they made it sound scary enough I'm wanting to go with old stack for 12.04.2
[12:51] <Riddell> new images coming with the old linux
[12:51] <yofel> read the discussion, +1 on staying on the old stack
[12:53] <smartboyhw> Hello Riddell and yofel 
[12:53] <yofel> hey
[13:00] <Riddell> awooga, 4.10 got in raring
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good news
[13:01] <Riddell> and Qt 5 seems to be in too
[13:03] <Riddell> or maybe only a couple parts of it
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> on qt-project.org Qt5.0.1 is out allready
[13:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: we know, that's why we want it in ubunut
[13:04] <Riddell> without the typo
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[13:16] <yofel> qtchooser got in, now the way is clear for qt5
[13:16] <apachelogger>     QTimer.singleShot(10, fetcher.run)
[13:16] <apachelogger> wth
[13:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:17] <apachelogger> let's put random numbers in our code without explanation
[13:17] <yofel> btw. gst plugin installer fail in #kubuntu
[13:18] <Riddell> already 1 patch in qt 5 base (for maliit)
[13:18] <yofel> apachelogger: but even you should know that sleep() is the solution for almost everything!
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: :(
[13:19] <Riddell> won't be long before it ends up like qt 4
[13:19] <apachelogger> yofel: it's not a sleep :P
[13:19] <apachelogger> also the line makes sense
[13:19] <apachelogger> the 10 does not
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: need to establish a policy ;)
[13:19] <apachelogger> also we still need a patch revu
[13:20] <yofel> apachelogger: the method docs tell me it's "sleep + call"
[13:20] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:20] <apachelogger> yofel: no?
[13:20] <apachelogger> it is a delayed signal emission
[13:21]  * smartboyhw is getting nervous for Wednesday
[13:21] <apachelogger> eventloop based, not thread based
[13:21] <apachelogger> well, technically also thread based, naturally
[13:22] <apachelogger> but you can have many qtimers in a single thread as this is not blocking as it is not using sleep()
[13:22] <apachelogger> you can even have many qtimers in one eventloop (what with it being a loop... ;))
[13:22] <yofel> ah ok, yeah, true in that regard
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:27] <apachelogger> I like how imported bug comments have no subject title other than the bug no
[13:27] <apachelogger> very shitty
[13:27] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: hey
[13:27] <BluesKaj> hi apachelogger
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Hello apachelogger (and no foul languages) and BluesKaj 
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ktorrent was eating 90% of my 3G memory , without any leeching or seeding , so i removed it in favour of qbittorrent
[13:31] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[13:31] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, oh?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> too lazy to track down the memory hog
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Grrr
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, smartboyhw it happened overnight somehow
[13:35] <BluesKaj> I prefer qbittorrent's accessibility , options and look anyway
[13:45] <yofel> WTF is up with upgrades removing kubuntu-desktop and instead pulling active stuff in
[13:45] <yofel> bug 1121142 is yet another case of that
[13:46] <yofel> (that's 12.04 upgrading KDE 4.9.5 -> 4.10.0)
[13:47] <Riddell> was that the kmahjongg issue?
[13:48] <Riddell> the moved file without the conficts/breaks would have caused upgrades to fail
[13:48] <yofel> Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130970860/history.log
[13:48] <yofel> that's apt's pre-upgrade dep resolver decision
[13:49] <yofel> and kmahjongg isn't even in the term.log, so that's not it
[13:50] <yofel> it's just apt's dependency resolver doing something stupid
[13:50] <Riddell> ug, nasty
[13:50] <yofel> Except that this is probably the 10th case that reached my eyes. And I can't reproduce it
[13:51] <Riddell> is it a   apt-get upgrade  instead of  apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:51] <yofel> upgrade would never remove/install something
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: upgrades do not remove software
[13:51] <yofel> there is no apt command in the history
[13:51] <agateau> Riddell: latest homerun release is 0.1.1. Do you need a new one?
[13:51] <yofel> so I guess that was muon-upgrader
[13:51] <apachelogger> personally I think something in the dep chain is bugged
[13:52] <yofel> apachelogger: my guess too, but it would be some non-default package that acts as poison
[13:52] <apachelogger> yofel: does that happen on quantal too?
[13:52] <yofel> can't remember offhand
[13:52] <yofel> would need to search my logs
[13:53] <apachelogger> well
[13:53] <apachelogger> thing is
[13:53] <yofel> if it's just precise that would be apt/dpkg being really buggy there
[13:53] <yofel> which it is
[13:53] <apachelogger> iff active was already installed
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: ok I thought there was a bug fix or update or something, maybe I imaginged it
[13:53] <apachelogger> that could be the problem
[13:53] <yofel> hm
[13:53] <agateau> Riddell: I have a few fixes waiting in the homerun/0.1 branch. When is Raring feature freeze?
[13:54] <apachelogger> yofel: no dpkg.log?
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: March 7th
[13:54] <Riddell> no
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: March 7th
[13:54] <yofel> apachelogger: I didn't ask for it, what does it give us that the other 2 don't ?
[13:54] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:55] <apachelogger> yofel: dunno
[13:55] <apachelogger> it's not attached so I can't say what it would give us :P
[13:56] <yofel> well, it has more info on dpkg's status sequencing, which I wasn't really interested in
[13:56] <apachelogger> so there were no active pieces installed
[13:56] <apachelogger> taht is funny
[13:57]  * apachelogger misplaced his precise vm again
[14:01] <apachelogger> yofel: it makes no sense
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Wondering: Anyone want to do Bug 1103383?
[14:01] <yofel> well, duh
[14:01] <yofel> +1, but that doesn't help
[14:01] <apachelogger> no I mean
[14:01] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's done just needs the copyright file fixed, want to take it on?
[14:01] <apachelogger> it makes no fucking sense: P
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh OK. What happened to the copyright file?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no foul languages please:P
[14:02] <apachelogger> only plasma-active and kubuntu-active have rdeps on the newly installed packages
[14:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2013-February/045990.html
[14:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: dget http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cantata_0.9.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it seems to be only GPL based (at least most of the files)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Hmm I got places where they are LGPS
[14:07] <smartboyhw> *LGPL
[14:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: with some LGPL, the copyright file needs tidied up
[14:07] <Riddell> it shouldn't say "Files: *" for both LGPL and GPL
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the whole qtsingleapplications directory is LGPL
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, finished the copyright file. How to give it to you?
[14:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: e-mail, web server, telepathy tubes, dns txt entries?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, email
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what's your email?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: jriddell@ubuntu. com
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, done
[14:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: Copyright: 2013 Ben Vassie <ben@unknown>
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, er?
[14:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: find out the unknown :)
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Damn:P
[14:20] <apachelogger> yofel: it makes no sense!!!!!
[14:20] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/669134/
[14:20] <apachelogger> there is not one highlevel package involved
[14:21] <apachelogger> startactive-ksplash-theme
[14:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: The backports stuff is a wiki.  Feel free to make it less annoying.
[14:21] <apachelogger> has only plasma-active as rdep!
[14:21] <apachelogger> it does not provide anything
[14:21] <apachelogger> it does nothing, absolutely nothing
[14:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I haven't been following it, so no opinion.
[14:22] <Riddell> ScottK: seems we missed the bus there, it was never scheduled to stop with us anyway
[14:23] <ScottK> OK.
[14:23] <apachelogger> yofel: truth be told the only viable theory is that at least for that particular bug the dude installed kubuntu/plasma-active incompletely because deps were unresolvable then with 4.10 they become resolvable because we dropped some conflict/replace and his system broken int he way it should have broken to begin with
[14:24] <yofel> hum
[14:24] <yofel> well, that's why I asked for the old logs
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, 1. Can't find this guy's name on the cantata source and 2. This guy has no public address on Launchpad...
[14:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try debian/changelog
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, vassie@ntlworld.com
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do I have to resend the file again?
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: "Delete these two lines"
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah please
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:31] <Riddell> ooh
[14:31] <Riddell> !testers | 12.04.2
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what do you mean by "Delete these two lines"?
[14:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know it says it in the copyright file
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah got it
[14:32] <Riddell> maybe they want you to dance the fandango?  I'm not sure
[14:32] <Riddell> </nasty sarcasm> :)
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Riddell, sorry, but I'm not running a 12.04 install
[14:34] <Riddell> BluesKaj: now's the perfect opporunity to do so
[14:34] <Riddell> can also be a virtual machine
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, zsyncing the image
[14:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: thanks :)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Riddell, think I'll pass on this one 
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: cantata uploaded!
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you should tell phoenix if you see him around, he had that on his todo list
[14:36] <smartboyhw> BTW if anyone who wants  to learn ISO testing, come to #ubuntu-classroom on 13th 13:00 UTC I will be holding the session:)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> *the session about ISO tests:P
[14:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh cool, maybe put that out on kubuntu-devel mailing list since it's a good week to get more testers
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good one:P Er..... let me copy the one to Ubuntu Studio and edit the certain contents....
[14:37] <Riddell> s/Ubuntu Studio/Kubuntu/ :)
[14:37] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[14:38] <Riddell> oh wheesht kubotu 
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not thinking that's a useful feature
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep. Copy the Ubuntu Studio mail and change it tothecontentsofKubuntu
[14:38] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: who?
[14:38] <apachelogger> ah
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you the kubotu dude?
[14:38] <apachelogger> simply leave out the final slash? :P
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think of this: You probably first issue a mail to call people for testing
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Then I will list the sessions to follow up
[14:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did that on friday didn't I?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah LOL
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK I will be sending the email now
[14:39] <Riddell> yeah [kubuntu-devel] calling all testers
[14:42] <lordievader> Going to update my 12.04.2 amd64 image and will run a test :)
[14:43] <lordievader> This one got the 12.10 kernel?
[14:43] <yofel> ok, kubuntu-ppa/backports now has a 16GiB limit \o/
[14:43] <yofel> lordievader: no
[14:44] <yofel> lordievader: too late for too many changes that would require
[14:44] <lordievader> Ah I see, ok.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[14:44] <smartboyhw> The VM is slowing down my computer (A LOT)
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, email sent
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need a bug report. I just can't seem to select the option for"Require my password to log in" and "Encrypt my home folder" at the same time"
[14:48] <smartboyhw> How to call terminal when in installation guys?
[14:49] <yofel> ctrl+alt+f1 or start ubiquity from the live session
[14:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, is it possible in VM?
[14:50] <yofel> should be, what kind of?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> It seems to bring me into a console login (virtualbox) in my host machine
[14:51] <smartboyhw> keyboard integration has problems:P
[14:51] <yofel> host_key+f1 seems to be it 
[14:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, got it
[14:58] <yofel> oh yay, kdetoys now moved to git too
[14:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, good
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Finished testing the amd64 image
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Bug 1122107 found
[15:06] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Have you tried the live environment of the amd64 image?
[15:06] <smartboyhw> lordievader, not yet. Just main installation, and that already gave the bug
[15:06] <smartboyhw> I will now
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Oh god;P
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey, I got the notifications for the new ISO build :D I'll do some more testing as soon as I have some time :D
[15:07] <lordievader> smartboyhw: I'm not sure if something is wrong with my usb-key, but it takes ages to load the live-environment.
[15:08] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I am going to try with Vm
[15:12] <smartboyhw> lordievader, no It loaded quite fastl
[15:12] <smartboyhw> s/fastl/fastly
[15:12] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Hmm, time to test the usb-key...
[15:13] <lordievader> Thanks :)
[15:26] <lordievader> Hmm, the average write rate is rather low, around 3MB/s, that is the problem I guess.
[16:32] <ramiro_> Hi, im new here. I'm a kubuntu user from Argetina
[16:33] <Riddell> hola ramiro_!
[16:33] <ramiro_> hola! no sabia que se hablaba espa;ol
[16:34] <ramiro_> :) me pone contento
[16:34] <Riddell> ¿qui tal?
[16:34] <ramiro_> todo bien, la verdad! 
[16:34] <Riddell> muchos bienos
[16:34] <Riddell> that about covers all my spanish I'm afraid
[16:34] <ramiro_> jaajajaajaa ok, then i sould speak english 
[16:35] <Riddell> ramiro_: want to help out making kubuntu?
[16:35] <ramiro_> i'm not so good at it
[16:35] <ramiro_> yes
[16:35] <ramiro_> that was what i was goint to tell you
[16:36] <Riddell> ramiro_: we need test installs of 12.04.2 if you want to dive straight in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds
[16:36] <ramiro_> it could be great!
[16:37] <Riddell> i386 is looking a bit sparse http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37410/testcases
[16:37] <Riddell> can be installed on real hardware or virtual machine
[16:38] <ramiro_> ok, i'm downloading it
[16:39] <Riddell> great thanks
[16:39] <ramiro_> who makes the apps ?
[16:40] <ramiro_> i mean, i have an idea i would like to tell you about
[16:40] <ramiro_> (i'm really sorry if my english isn't great)
[16:40] <Riddell> ramiro_: most of our applications come from KDE, a separate but related project that makes end-user programmes
[16:41] <Riddell> your English is muchos bien
[16:41] <Riddell> what's your idea?
[16:42] <ramiro_> give me a minute (on the phone.... sorry) really important call
[16:44] <lordievader> I'll get a new usb-key tomorrow and test somemore 12.04.2 images :)
[16:45] <Riddell> great thanks lordievader 
[16:46] <ramiro_> can i tell you now ?
[16:47] <Riddell> ramiro_: sure
[16:47] <ramiro_> as a university student it happens to me that i have a lot of papers o book in pdf. So it would be a great deal if there was a indexer for those pdf files
[16:48] <ramiro_> i'm at Universidad Nacional del Litoral, i'm studing computer engineer
[16:49] <ramiro_> so, my idea is yo develop a system that would do that for me. Labelling all my files and give me a quick search and look at them
[16:49] <Riddell> ramiro_: yeah that'll be "upstream" from kubuntu
[16:50] <Riddell> projects like KDE who code the software are called upstream
[16:50] <Riddell> and we compile it and try to ensure it all works and put it on a CD
[16:50] <Riddell> ramiro_: within KDE there's nepomuk which does indexing of most everything including PDF files
[16:50] <Riddell> so it wouldn't be hard to make a GUI which uses Nepomuk to index PDF files and show them to the user
[16:51] <Riddell> you could argue that Dolphin already does that
[16:52] <Riddell> and if you need a dissertation topic I can assure you that coding for KDE is a guaranteed A
[16:53] <ramiro_> what do you mean by "dissertation topic"?
[16:53] <ramiro_> (i'm writing my idea better for you)
[16:55] <ramiro_> yes, but as far as i know ... there is no app that gives me what i really need. Let me tell you an example: I have a folder where i put, and label, all my pdf files. I have some pdf that a haven't checked yet, so what i need is something that could store some data about them which makes my life easier when it cames to select just a few of them that have the information that i need at any moment. Let's suppose i want to lear python, so i have a lot 
[16:55] <ramiro_> of pdf tagged, and i run a search for those who have the "python" tag, and can be a much more explicit search
[16:56] <ramiro_> as "python + unix" or whatever
[16:58] <Riddell> ramiro_: you can add tags to files in dolphin
[16:59] <Riddell> ramiro_: a dissertation is the project you do in your final year at university, I did mine on a KDE programme (Umbrello) and won an award for best in the country.  I'm surprised more university students don't do that.
[17:00] <ramiro_> oh, no i'm not on that right now... i just wanna help people :)
[17:00] <ramiro_> but , now that you tell me that ... it will be a good idea for me
[17:00] <ramiro_> thanks
[17:04] <ramiro_> i'm working on what i telling you ... can just give it to you, as a tester, when i have something define ? or isn't it possible ?
[17:05] <Riddell> ramiro_: sorry I don't understand
[17:07] <ramiro_> ok, i'm working on this program. I don't have a "version" yet ... can i just let people test it once i have it working?
[17:08] <Riddell> ramiro_: are we talking about CD testing or your PDF indexing programme?
[17:08] <ramiro_> th PDF
[17:08] <ramiro_> oh, did we move on ? i didn't know that, sorry
[17:09] <Riddell> ramiro_: you can ask here but you'll probably have better luck in KDE which is where most of our programmes are written
[17:09] <Riddell> #kde-devel is their IRC channel
[17:09] <Riddell> you could also ask vHanda about what nepomuk can do to help
[17:12] <ramiro_> thank you, i really appreciate that!
[17:58] <Riddell> agateau_: git master are you around?
[17:59] <afiestas> uds sponsorship pages are broken :33
[17:59] <Riddell> um, is it open?
[18:00] <Riddell> Oakland, 6th May – 9th May 2013
[18:00] <Riddell> golly
[18:02] <afiestas> Riddell: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/27/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-3/
[18:03] <Riddell> gosh I'm behind
[18:07] <Riddell> why is uds.ubuntu.com full of spam?  "DirecTV Charge You To Fix Their Service Issues" "6 Ways To Save Money This Summer"
[18:07] <Riddell> oh no that's not uds.ubuntu.com I'm looking at, that's jono's blog
[18:09]  * xnox ponders why kubuntu ubiquity bugs are CC'ed to me =)
[18:10]  * xnox has never booted kubuntu ubiquity
[18:10] <genii-around> Hehe
[18:10] <Riddell> because you're into ubiquity and it's all the same codebase?
[18:11] <xnox> Sure. But the bug in question is quoted to "work in ubuntu installer but not kubuntu one" =) so it's clearly the K and Q part of the codebase :P
[18:11] <Riddell> sucks to be you :)
[18:25]  * xnox wants to violate ubuntu code of conduct in reply to Riddell 
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> herwig++ ftbfs. build log -> http://paste.kde.org/669224/
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> ^thats a partial build log
[19:42] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the line "O2AlphaS.cc:79:22: error: 'quarkMasses' was not declared in this scope"
[19:42] <yofel> fix the code
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: here is the control file http://paste.kde.org/669230/
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: something wrong with the code?
[19:43] <yofel> well, it doesn't compile
[19:43] <yofel> so start looking for where quarkMasses is supposed to be defined
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i feel some package is missin g
[19:44] <yofel> or where it's supposed to come from
[19:44] <yofel> if a package would be missing you would probably get a missing header file error
[19:44] <yofel> though configure should tell you that usually
[19:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the code contains quarkMasses.empty() fn and from googling it yiels to 0 results
[19:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its a particle physics app and i like it 
[19:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: should i send a message to the original maintainer ?
[19:48] <yofel> that or upstream
[19:48] <yofel> you can rule out packaging issues if you just do a local testbuild
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what do you mean by rule out?
[19:49] <yofel> well, make sure it's not a packaging issue
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you mean ignore the package if it doesnt build?
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so if its not a packaging issue and its a upstream issue, am i obligated to file a bug?
[19:51] <yofel> well, it's in upstream's interest that their software is shipped, so most upstreams are usually happy to cooperate if you have problems with building the software
[19:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats nice
[19:52] <yofel> if you maintain something you probably want to know where to find the developers
[19:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats right, i  thought of this when you were doing that, can you get me familiar with those developers?
[19:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: just what to know who is for what app
[19:53] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: with those I know sure, as for herwig: neither do I know what it is, what it does nor who develops it
[19:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i guess its a MOTO thing then?
[19:54] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: the archive package has an AUTHORS file, that should be good enough for a start
[19:54] <yofel> herwig++ is a MOTU thing in any case
[19:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: :) ok
[19:54] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: looking at it, I'm not even sure if it should be updated in ubuntu - unless you have a reason for it
[19:54] <yofel> so far it's just synced from debian
[19:55] <yofel> maybe instead ask the debian maintainer to update it in debian and sync the package again
[19:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you mean that just for "herwig++" or for all the packages that are all out of sync?
[19:57] <yofel> herwig++ has no "ubuntuX" version, meaning ubuntu has nothing to do with the current package
[19:57] <yofel> in that case you should ask yourself if it's worth to let the package get out of sync with debian
[19:57] <yofel> as in that case you'll have to manually sync/merge it later
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Since i am not experienced, i am thing like " all the package should be in sync with debian"
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: *thinking
[19:59] <yofel> well, they should be as close as possible. If syncing is possible that should be done
[19:59] <yofel> anyway
[19:59]  * yofel -> dinner
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: enjoy the dinner 
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: good night , see you later
[20:16] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: another thing you could do is ask the debian maintainer if you can help with the updating, the might not mind reviewing your package and getting it into debian
[20:16] <yofel> that way both debian and ubuntu users would profit from your work
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its funny , i am already in debian-devel and told about you
[20:19] <yofel> ah, I doubt many people know me there :P
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no, you are famous
[20:20] <yofel> o.O
[20:20] <yofel> when did that happen
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: it seems that that version of herwig is not yet in debian
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel:  i am heading to ubuntu-science
[20:20] <yofel> they have what we have (or actually the other way around)
[20:20] <yofel> tip: this is useful:
[20:20] <yofel>  $ rmadison -u debian herwig++
[20:20] <yofel>  herwig++ | 2.6.0-1 | sid | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, powerpc, sparc
[20:26] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: pm?
[20:26] <yofel> sure
[20:27] <jussi> Evening all
[20:31] <phoenix_firebrd> jussi: good evening
[20:32] <jussi> heya phoenix_firebrd
[20:33] <yofel> vHanda: finally uploaded your nepomuk-core revert commit to the archive and backports now. (Just in case people still complain about it being broken)
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i thought of this when i saw vHanda's blog, how can you revert a patch?
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: prepare a new patch?
[20:34] <yofel> if you have rev1 and rev2, you make a diff between rev2 and rev1 (reverse diff) as a new patch and apply that to the package
[20:35] <yofel> in this case it was just a cherry-pick of commit b651f9231ac30072418bb06d602951f0f05da22c which already reverts 2f33141aa6716550e38b11ec9a0b000dd74eea79.
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[20:40] <yofel> git actually makes your life easier there, as it has a 'git revert <commit>' command
[20:42] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya i know, but was wondering how can we get that after branching
[20:42] <yofel> oh, here's what I did
[20:42] <yofel> in nepomuk-core
[20:42] <yofel> git checkout KDE/4.10
[20:42] <yofel> git format-patch HEAD^
[20:43] <yofel> creates 0001-Revert-BasicIndexingQueue-Use-stacks-instead-of-queu.patch which I would import to the package
[20:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: haven't used format-patch yet
[20:43] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: it essentially throws out all commits between 2 revs as files, 1 file for each commit
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: this is nice
[20:44] <yofel> if you only give 1 rev it'll take the current HEAD as the second
[20:45] <yofel> where HEAD^ is HEAD - 1, HEAD^^ -2 etc.
[20:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so we can use this method to refresh patches?
[20:45] <yofel> that has nothing to do with refreshing patches. (at least not unless we put everything into git)
[20:46] <yofel> I guess you could do something similiar with bzr and UDD, but smartboyhw seems to be the UDD expert here
[20:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i remember you prepared a patch similar way for a package?
[20:47] <yofel> could be, it depends on the situation really
[20:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you know for some very outdated versions like form 1.0.2 to 1.5
[20:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: *from
[20:48] <yofel> in that case I would first check what patches can be thrown away, then check what still applies and fix the rest by hand
[20:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: to complete syncing before feature freeze i have to build 12 packages a day
[20:49] <yofel> which might require digging through the upstream VCS to find out why something was done, talking to upstream about it or even finding the person that originally wrote the patch to find out what it's supposed to do
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Is someone else is also working for this?
[20:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: that would be interesting
[20:50] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: the respective teams as shown in the maintainer field.
[20:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you must be very experienced and know a lot of guys
[20:51] <yofel> well, that comes with the time. I've started out as alpha tester somewhere in 2008, the was in the bugsquad since 2009 and went more into development around mid 2010
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: soon me too
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can you check if #ubuntu-science is empty?
[20:53] <yofel> not anymore
[20:53] <yofel> :P
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: :)
[20:53] <yofel> but yeah, it is
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats bad
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i will try the mailing list
[20:54] <yofel> maybe they moved somewhere else (like the qa team that likes moving around)
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I will check that out
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: one small help
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Can you just take a look at the new debian/copyright for ktp-desktop-applets , not to verify, just a overall correctness ?
[20:56] <yofel> where do I find it?
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: pasting it
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/669272/
[21:00] <yofel> looks fine as long as the actual information is correct
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: nice
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am working with tomahawk's and cantata's, this will clear my doubts
[21:02] <yofel> hm, wrt cantata, who's actually working on that?
[21:03] <Riddell> yofel: it's done, it's in new
[21:03] <Riddell> smartboy did it
[21:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: hi
[21:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: finished?
[21:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: he's back from holidays?
[21:04] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: no vassie is still away but smartboyhw did it earlier today
[21:04] <yofel> Riddell: does it close bug 1103383?
[21:05] <yofel> (that being assigned to nobody would be process fail actually)
[21:05] <Riddell> yofel: yes I think so
[21:05] <yofel> good then
[21:06] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: why its good?
[21:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: but didn't you assign the work to me?
[21:08] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: well he jumped in there first
[21:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok, i will coordinate properly with smartboyhw in the future
[21:09] <yofel> hm, new upgrade tests right when I was looking for work, perfect
[21:11] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: we have roughly 2 ways to do that currently. At least put a note on the team pad, or use a packaging bug like that one ^ and assign it to you
[21:12] <yofel> hm. I think I should try to fix that stupid script first before doing testing after all -.-
[21:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats a good idea, filing a bug
[21:13] <ScottK> The pad is more likely to be noticed by someone relevant.
[21:14] <phoenix_firebrd> ScottK: ok
[21:14] <yofel> I guess nobody opens my poor launchpad links tha I put at the top there :(
[21:14] <yofel> *that
[21:14] <ScottK> Less often than I look at the pad.
[21:14] <yofel> true
[21:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: here is the corrected ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright http://paste.kde.org/669272/
[21:15] <ScottK> Battery at 9%.  Better go find the power brick.
[22:04] <murthy> yofel: hi
[22:05] <yofel> hey :)
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: going to bed, good night 
[22:15] <yofel> gn8
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> good night everyone
[22:17] <Riddell> hi murthy 
[22:17] <murthy> Riddell: hi, its me phoenix_firebrd
[22:18] <Riddell> ah hah
[22:18] <murthy> Riddell: good night
[22:19] <BluesKaj> too many nicks 
[22:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[22:19] <BluesKaj> heyt phoenix_firebrd 
[22:20] <BluesKaj> err hey
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i am logged into a private irc server so i have to have a second nick
[22:37] <Riddell> agateau!