[13:51] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[13:51] <bdrung> meeting in 9 minutes
[13:51] <bdrung> 8
[13:52] <stgraber> I'll be there
[13:52] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:00] <Laney> hello
[14:01]  * barry waves
[14:01] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <bdrung> let's begin
[14:01] <Laney> whooooooooooooooooo's chairing?
[14:01] <bdrung> Laney: shut up :p
[14:02] <bdrung> #startmeeting
[14:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 11 14:02:09 2013 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:02] <bdrung> #meetingtopic Developer Membership Board Meeting
[14:03] <bdrung> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:03] <bdrung> #subtopic Iain to publish the Dynamic PPU Procedure on the wiki somewhere
[14:03] <Laney> did
[14:03] <bdrung> Laney: where?
[14:04] <Laney> I updated ApplicationProcess and UbuntuDevelopers and mailed debian-derivatives
[14:04]  * bdrung should subscribe to get notified about the wiki page changes.
[14:04] <bdrung> thanks Laney.
[14:04] <bdrung> #subtopic Micah to run the election, starting ASAP, ending on midnight 10th-11th Feb
[14:05] <barry> right on cue :)
[14:06] <bdrung> micahg_mobile: current topic: Micah to run the election, starting ASAP, ending on midnight 10th-11th Feb
[14:08] <micahg_mobile> So, the election concluded, we should either vote our hand wave the results
[14:08] <micahg_mobile> Or, not our
[14:08] <Laney> we should vote to confirm the poll
[14:08] <bdrung> please state the result
[14:08] <stgraber> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_5b1837b9f3008750
[14:11] <bdrung> #vote Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)?
[14:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)?
[14:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:11] <stgraber> +1
[14:11] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[14:11] <micahg_mobile> +1
[14:11] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_mobile
[14:12] <barry> +1
[14:12] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:12] <bdrung> +1
[14:12] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[14:12] <Laney> +1
[14:12] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[14:12] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:12] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:13] <bdrung> #endvote
[14:13] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)?
[14:13] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[14:13] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:13] <bdrung> micahg: will you announce the result?
[14:14] <micahg_mobile> Bdrung: can't do now, but can do this week sometime
[14:14] <stgraber> I'll do the ACL changes and team membership renewals
[14:14] <Laney> merci
[14:14] <Laney> well done everyone
[14:15] <micahg_mobile> Stgraber: I think that should wait until Wednesday
[14:15] <stgraber> micahg_mobile: yeah, I'll wait for LP to tell me I expired, then I'll do them
[14:15] <barry> micahg_mobile: thanks for conducting the election
[14:16] <bdrung> #action micahg to announce the poll results
[14:16] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to announce the poll results
[14:16] <bdrung> please do that until Thursday (when the new term starts)
[14:16] <bdrung> #subtopic Stéphane to add Aron to a new input-methods packageset
[14:17] <bdrung> stgraber: have you done it?
[14:17] <stgraber> yep
[14:17] <stgraber> new team, packageset and everything
[14:18] <bdrung> thanks
[14:18] <bdrung> #topic Kernel PPU team administration
[14:18] <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/UploadRights
[14:19] <Laney> I'm in favour of this — I don't feel effective when screening kernel uploaders
[14:20] <bdrung> ogasawara: ^
[14:20] <Laney> we didn't ask them to be present
[14:20] <Laney> does anyone have any concerns?
[14:20]  * ogasawara peeks in anyways
[14:20] <barry> Laney: i completely agree.  kernel is so specialized that i think we've effectively delegated to them in the past, even if not officially so.  let's make it official.
[14:20] <bdrung> I'm in favour of this too. The kernel seems to different than 'normal' packages.
[14:21] <tumbleweed> what barry said
[14:21] <micahg_mobile> Looks fine
[14:21] <stgraber> one small detail, should we require them to be Ubuntu Members?
[14:21] <stgraber> otherwise kernel-uploaders will give them that right without any explicit Ubuntu Membership review
[14:21] <ogasawara> I'd be fine with that requirement
[14:21] <tumbleweed> what does the desktop team do there?
[14:22] <barry> at least until we've separated those (see later agenda item :)
[14:22] <tumbleweed> looks like nothing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers
[14:22] <tumbleweed> barry: well, this isn't PPU
[14:22] <Laney> It gives you ubuntu-dev -> membership
[14:22] <micahg_mobile> Desktop team has same problem, but in the case of the desktop team, sustained is much more likely in a visible form
[14:22] <Laney> I suppose once you've been contributing enough it's fine to become a member too (is the thought)
[14:23] <Laney> enough to join the desktop team that is
[14:23] <tumbleweed> given the fairly heavy requirements for the kernel team, I'm happy with it implying membership as is
[14:23] <Laney> yeah
[14:23] <micahg_mobile> This should be ppu though for membership purposes
[14:24] <micahg_mobile> I'm happy to discuss the ppu aspect later when we do the split
[14:24] <Laney> vote?
[14:25] <stgraber> ok, I'm happy keeping the kernel process similar to desktop's and I guess we'd grant them UCD anyway if they were to apply, so getting membership is fine
[14:25] <bdrung> ogasawara: in your proposal, three Ack's are needed. Have you considered +3 instead? This gives the voting members three options: +1, +0 or -1.
[14:27] <ogasawara> bdrung: I hadn't thought requiring +3 since with us it will be +1 or -1, none of that +0.  either you have our ack or you don't.
[14:27] <bdrung> okay. let's vote
[14:29] <bdrung> #vote Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team?
[14:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team?
[14:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:29] <stgraber> +1
[14:29] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[14:29] <barry> +1
[14:29] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:29] <micahg_mobile> +1
[14:29] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_mobile
[14:29] <Laney> +1
[14:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[14:29] <bdrung> +1
[14:29] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[14:30] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:30] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:30] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[14:30] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team?
[14:30] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[14:30] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 14:30:12 2013 UTC.
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[14:30] <bdrung> ogasawara: congrats.
[14:30] <ogasawara> awesome, thanks!
[14:30] <Laney> I'll add the new admins
[14:31] <bdrung> ups
[14:31] <Laney> heh
[14:31] <Laney> new admins done
[14:31] <Laney> set said good ship kernel
[14:31] <Laney> sail
[14:31] <bdrung> #startmeeting
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 11 14:31:46 2013 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:32] <bdrung> #action Laney to do the paperwork for the kernel PPU team delegation
[14:32] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to do the paperwork for the kernel PPU team delegation
[14:32] <bdrung> #meetingtopic Developer Membership Board
[14:33] <micahg_mobile> Didn't we do that already?
[14:34] <bdrung> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications: Christopher Arges
[14:34] <arges> o/
[14:34] <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/christopherarges
[14:34] <bdrung> micahg_mobile: just in case something's left.
[14:35] <bdrung> arges: hi. can you introduce yourself?
[14:35] <arges> ok
[14:35] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/christopherarges/CoreDevApplication
[14:35] <tumbleweed> ^ that's more useful
[14:36] <arges> yea that's pretty much what I was going to type
[14:36] <barry> arges: the link to your lp page on your application 404s.  what's your lp id?
[14:36] <arges> so as an FYI, I started with a core-dev application, but have changed it to a UCD application
[14:36] <arges> barry: launchpad.net/~arges
[14:36]  * Laney finds signed advocacies amusing
[14:37] <barry> arges: thanks.  when you get a chance, please update your wiki page
[14:37] <Laney> arges: will we see you back applying for core-dev sometime soon?
[14:37] <arges> barry: ack
[14:37] <tumbleweed> Laney: esp because they only validate if you copy from teh source
[14:37] <arges> Laney: yes,
[14:38] <Laney> how are you finding the +1-maint stuff?
[14:38] <arges> Laney: great. I've done +1 twice, and the second time it felt a lot more natural
[14:39] <Laney> great
[14:39] <arges> Learning quite a bit about debian packaging and the process. I think I finally felt confortable towards the end of my last plus one where I would create a debdiff and feel extermely confident this was upload material
[14:40]  * Laney has no more to ask ;-)
[14:40] <Laney> I was surprised when I saw you change your application - hope to see you come back soon
[14:40] <tumbleweed> on that topic, any idea when you'll be back for core-dev?
[14:41] <arges> Don't worry I will. : ) I'll get a few more uploads under my belt before then.
[14:41] <tumbleweed> I see you've been regularly sponsored by a few other people whose arms you can twist for endosrements
[14:42] <arges> tumbleweed: yup. I spoke with infinity about this, and he recommended I wait on the core-dev app which is primarily why I changed it
[14:43] <arges> But I also only emailed 3 people, and should bug more people for my next app
[14:43] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:43] <tumbleweed> no more questions from me
[14:43] <stgraber> I'm ready to vote
[14:43] <bdrung> arges: do you forward your fixes to upstream/Debian?
[14:44] <arges> bdrung: absolutely
[14:44] <arges> submittodebian is my friend
[14:44] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:44]  * Laney coughs
[14:44] <Laney> at least it's got one friend
[14:44] <bdrung> :)
[14:44] <arges> heh
[14:45] <bdrung> let's vote or does anyone have a remaining question?
[14:46] <Laney> no, lets go
[14:46] <bdrung> #vote Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:46] <Laney> +1
[14:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[14:46] <barry> +1
[14:46] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:46] <bdrung> +1
[14:46] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[14:46] <micahg_mobile> +1
[14:46] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg_mobile
[14:46] <stgraber> +1
[14:46] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[14:47] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:47] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:47] <bdrung> #endvote
[14:47] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:47] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[14:47] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:47] <arges> thanks everybody
[14:48]  * bdrung did it correctly this time. :)
[14:48] <bdrung> arges: congrats.
[14:48] <Laney> arges: well done
[14:48] <stgraber> arges: congrats and see you soon for coredev!
[14:48] <tumbleweed> arges: congrats indeed, and looking forward to your core-dev app
[14:48] <barry> arges: congrats, and i echo tumbleweed's anticipation
[14:49] <arges> yup. will do!
[14:49] <bdrung> arges: i would like to see you to apply for core-dev soon with testimonials from non kernel devs too.
[14:49] <arges> bdrung: yup. Agreed.
[14:49] <bdrung> #topic MOTU Applications: Allison Randal
[14:49] <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AllisonRandal/MOTU
[14:50] <stgraber> wendar: ping
[14:50] <bdrung> wendar: hi, please introduce yourself.
[14:50]  * Laney loves http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/
[14:55] <Laney> ho hum
[14:56] <stgraber> I pinged her in private 25min ago without a reply, so looks like she's not around :(
[14:57] <bdrung> wake up, wendar
[14:57] <Laney> 2 minutes left :P
[14:57] <bdrung> The DMB has you.
[14:58] <bdrung> okay. let's defer her application to the next meeting on 2013-02-25.
[14:59] <stgraber> sounds good
[14:59] <stgraber> it'll also be later in the day so should work better for her (IIRC she's on PST)
[14:59] <bdrung> should we discuss the decoupling of the PPU from Ubuntu membership or end this meeting on time?
[14:59] <stgraber> I'd prefer we end the meeting
[14:59] <Laney> yeah
[14:59] <Laney> plus micah is gone and heh loves this topic
[14:59] <stgraber> ;)
[15:00] <Laney> he
[15:00] <bdrung> okay. thanks for coming. now i can use this command correctly:
[15:00] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 15:00:10 2013 UTC.
[15:00] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-14.31.moin.txt
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[15:00] <stgraber> bdrung: thanks for chairing!
[15:00] <Laney> thanks for chairing
[15:00] <bdrung> you're welcome.
[18:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:00] <tyhicks> hello
[18:01] <sarnold> hello
[18:01]  * sbeattie o/
[18:01] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 11 18:01:39 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:02] <jdstrand> Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for oneiric-raring for xen
[18:02] <jdstrand> Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) provided debdiffs for oneiric-quantal for firebird2.5 (LP: #1115902)
[18:02] <jdstrand> Malcolm Scott (malc) provided a debdiff for precise for cfingerd (LP: #1104425)
[18:02] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job and thanks! :)
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm on community this week
[18:03] <jdstrand> and patch piloting
[18:03] <jdstrand> I've got openjdk that I am testing today and will most likely push tomorrow
[18:04] <jdstrand> I've also got another pending update
[18:04] <jdstrand> and quite a few meetings this week
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'm not particularly hopeful, but if I have time, I look at the lxc mir
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week. I have a few updates pending which should go out tomorrow.
[18:05] <mdeslaur> and am currently working on some more
[18:05] <mdeslaur> the CVE list has gone up a bit, so I'll try and chainsaw my way through some of it this week.
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: fyi, I deferred nss for the time being
[18:06] <mdeslaur> need to take a look at the work items also this weeks
[18:06] <jdstrand> upstream is working on a fix, but nothing to do atm
[18:06] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: cool, thanks
[18:06] <mdeslaur> that's about it from me. sbeattie, you're next
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'm once again focused on apparmor this week.
[18:07] <sbeattie> Ever so gradually making progress on my work items related to that.
[18:07] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me, tyhicks?
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: making any progress there?
[18:07] <sbeattie> yeah, it's just slow.
[18:07] <tyhicks> I have a short week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> cool
[18:08] <tyhicks> Off Thursday and Friday
[18:08] <tyhicks> I should be focused on AppArmor primarily this week
[18:08] <tyhicks> I want to make some changes to the dbus package in the dbus-dev PPA
[18:09] <tyhicks> I still haven't uploaded my compiler warning fixes and I want to enable libaudit support now that audit is in main
[18:09] <mdeslaur> do we have an eta on when we'll be pushing any of that to raring?
[18:09] <tyhicks> jjohansen: Are you wanting to have the socket labeling work done firsT?
[18:10] <jjohansen> tyhicks: before the apparmor bits hit main? Hrmm I think we should discuss that
[18:10] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: That will be the biggest remaining chunk, I think, so we'll have to discuss a bit more
[18:10] <mdeslaur> ok
[18:11] <tyhicks> Then I'll try to get some work on in the kernel policy interface
[18:11] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:12] <jjohansen> so I am working on apparmor again this week, I'll be continuing with the socket labeling work, and I have some fixes to the stacking exec path / label merging to do
[18:12] <jjohansen> I'll also be getting together with tyhicks to look at the dbus bits to see what needs to be done before it is merged
[18:13] <jjohansen> I think thats it from /me sarnold your up
[18:13] <sarnold> I'm also on AppArmor duty this week, I'll be reviewing John's patches
[18:14] <sarnold> his last patch flood was pretty steep :) so I expect it'll keep me occupied for a while
[18:14] <sarnold> I'm also on triage this week
[18:14]  * jjohansen will give sarnold another flood of patches this week, just to make sure he is drowning
[18:14] <sarnold> but the last two weeks look like they had more than their share of security problems :) so I'm hoping for a quiet week :)
[18:14] <sarnold> jjohansen: woo :)
[18:14]  * sarnold <-- patchmonster nom nom nom
[18:15] <jdstrand> :)
[18:15] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:15] <sarnold> that's it for me, back to jdstrand
[18:15] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:15] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:15] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeipa.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-jpgraph.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/zoneminder.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/obby.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libsmi.html
[18:15] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:16] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:22] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 18:22:16 2013 UTC.
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[18:22] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:22] <tyhicks> thanks
[18:22] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[18:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks
[18:23] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:26] <jdstrand> np