=== mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik === yofel_ is now known as yofel === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === Zic is now known as Guest90771 === Guest90771 is now known as Zic [13:51] !dmb-ping [13:51] bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [13:51] meeting in 9 minutes [13:51] 8 [13:52] I'll be there [13:52] o/ === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [14:00] hello [14:01] * barry waves [14:01] !dmb-ping [14:01] let's begin [14:01] whooooooooooooooooo's chairing? [14:01] Laney: shut up :p [14:02] #startmeeting [14:02] Meeting started Mon Feb 11 14:02:09 2013 UTC. The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [14:02] #meetingtopic Developer Membership Board Meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting Meeting | Current topic: [14:03] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [14:03] #subtopic Iain to publish the Dynamic PPU Procedure on the wiki somewhere [14:03] did [14:03] Laney: where? [14:04] I updated ApplicationProcess and UbuntuDevelopers and mailed debian-derivatives [14:04] * bdrung should subscribe to get notified about the wiki page changes. [14:04] thanks Laney. [14:04] #subtopic Micah to run the election, starting ASAP, ending on midnight 10th-11th Feb [14:05] right on cue :) [14:06] micahg_mobile: current topic: Micah to run the election, starting ASAP, ending on midnight 10th-11th Feb [14:08] So, the election concluded, we should either vote our hand wave the results [14:08] Or, not our [14:08] we should vote to confirm the poll [14:08] please state the result [14:08] http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_5b1837b9f3008750 [14:11] #vote Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)? [14:11] Please vote on: Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)? [14:11] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [14:11] +1 [14:11] +1 received from stgraber [14:11] +1 [14:11] +1 received from micahg_mobile [14:12] +1 [14:12] +1 received from barry [14:12] +1 [14:12] +1 received from bdrung [14:12] +1 [14:12] +1 received from Laney [14:12] +1 [14:12] +1 received from tumbleweed [14:13] #endvote [14:13] Voting ended on: Do you confirm the DMB poll (new members: ScottK, stgraber, Laney, bdrung)? [14:13] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [14:13] Motion carried [14:13] micahg: will you announce the result? [14:14] Bdrung: can't do now, but can do this week sometime [14:14] I'll do the ACL changes and team membership renewals [14:14] merci [14:14] well done everyone [14:15] Stgraber: I think that should wait until Wednesday [14:15] micahg_mobile: yeah, I'll wait for LP to tell me I expired, then I'll do them [14:15] micahg_mobile: thanks for conducting the election [14:16] #action micahg to announce the poll results [14:16] ACTION: micahg to announce the poll results [14:16] please do that until Thursday (when the new term starts) [14:16] #subtopic Stéphane to add Aron to a new input-methods packageset [14:17] stgraber: have you done it? [14:17] yep [14:17] new team, packageset and everything [14:18] thanks [14:18] #topic Kernel PPU team administration === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Kernel PPU team administration [14:18] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/UploadRights [14:19] I'm in favour of this — I don't feel effective when screening kernel uploaders [14:20] ogasawara: ^ [14:20] we didn't ask them to be present [14:20] does anyone have any concerns? [14:20] * ogasawara peeks in anyways [14:20] Laney: i completely agree. kernel is so specialized that i think we've effectively delegated to them in the past, even if not officially so. let's make it official. [14:20] I'm in favour of this too. The kernel seems to different than 'normal' packages. [14:21] what barry said [14:21] Looks fine [14:21] one small detail, should we require them to be Ubuntu Members? [14:21] otherwise kernel-uploaders will give them that right without any explicit Ubuntu Membership review [14:21] I'd be fine with that requirement [14:21] what does the desktop team do there? [14:22] at least until we've separated those (see later agenda item :) [14:22] looks like nothing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers [14:22] barry: well, this isn't PPU [14:22] It gives you ubuntu-dev -> membership [14:22] Desktop team has same problem, but in the case of the desktop team, sustained is much more likely in a visible form [14:22] I suppose once you've been contributing enough it's fine to become a member too (is the thought) [14:23] enough to join the desktop team that is [14:23] given the fairly heavy requirements for the kernel team, I'm happy with it implying membership as is [14:23] yeah [14:23] This should be ppu though for membership purposes [14:24] I'm happy to discuss the ppu aspect later when we do the split [14:24] vote? [14:25] ok, I'm happy keeping the kernel process similar to desktop's and I guess we'd grant them UCD anyway if they were to apply, so getting membership is fine [14:25] ogasawara: in your proposal, three Ack's are needed. Have you considered +3 instead? This gives the voting members three options: +1, +0 or -1. [14:27] bdrung: I hadn't thought requiring +3 since with us it will be +1 or -1, none of that +0. either you have our ack or you don't. [14:27] okay. let's vote [14:29] #vote Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team? [14:29] Please vote on: Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team? [14:29] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from stgraber [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from barry [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from micahg_mobile [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from Laney [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from bdrung [14:30] +1 [14:30] +1 received from tumbleweed [14:30] #endmeeting [14:30] Voting ended on: Should the DMB delegate kernel upload rights to the kernel PPU team? [14:30] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [14:30] Motion carried === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:30] Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 14:30:12 2013 UTC. [14:30] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-14.02.moin.txt [14:30] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-14.02.html [14:30] ogasawara: congrats. [14:30] awesome, thanks! [14:30] I'll add the new admins [14:31] ups [14:31] heh [14:31] new admins done [14:31] set said good ship kernel [14:31] sail [14:31] #startmeeting [14:31] Meeting started Mon Feb 11 14:31:46 2013 UTC. The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:31] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [14:32] #action Laney to do the paperwork for the kernel PPU team delegation [14:32] ACTION: Laney to do the paperwork for the kernel PPU team delegation [14:32] #meetingtopic Developer Membership Board === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: [14:33] Didn't we do that already? [14:34] #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications: Christopher Arges === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications: Christopher Arges [14:34] o/ [14:34] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/christopherarges [14:34] micahg_mobile: just in case something's left. [14:35] arges: hi. can you introduce yourself? [14:35] ok [14:35] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/christopherarges/CoreDevApplication [14:35] ^ that's more useful [14:36] yea that's pretty much what I was going to type [14:36] arges: the link to your lp page on your application 404s. what's your lp id? [14:36] so as an FYI, I started with a core-dev application, but have changed it to a UCD application [14:36] barry: launchpad.net/~arges [14:36] * Laney finds signed advocacies amusing [14:37] arges: thanks. when you get a chance, please update your wiki page [14:37] arges: will we see you back applying for core-dev sometime soon? [14:37] barry: ack [14:37] Laney: esp because they only validate if you copy from teh source [14:37] Laney: yes, [14:38] how are you finding the +1-maint stuff? [14:38] Laney: great. I've done +1 twice, and the second time it felt a lot more natural [14:39] great [14:39] Learning quite a bit about debian packaging and the process. I think I finally felt confortable towards the end of my last plus one where I would create a debdiff and feel extermely confident this was upload material [14:40] * Laney has no more to ask ;-) [14:40] I was surprised when I saw you change your application - hope to see you come back soon [14:40] on that topic, any idea when you'll be back for core-dev? [14:41] Don't worry I will. : ) I'll get a few more uploads under my belt before then. [14:41] I see you've been regularly sponsored by a few other people whose arms you can twist for endosrements [14:42] tumbleweed: yup. I spoke with infinity about this, and he recommended I wait on the core-dev app which is primarily why I changed it [14:43] But I also only emailed 3 people, and should bug more people for my next app [14:43] yeah [14:43] no more questions from me [14:43] I'm ready to vote [14:43] arges: do you forward your fixes to upstream/Debian? [14:44] bdrung: absolutely [14:44] submittodebian is my friend [14:44] heh [14:44] * Laney coughs [14:44] at least it's got one friend [14:44] :) [14:44] heh [14:45] let's vote or does anyone have a remaining question? [14:46] no, lets go [14:46] #vote Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer? [14:46] Please vote on: Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer? [14:46] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [14:46] +1 [14:46] +1 received from Laney [14:46] +1 [14:46] +1 received from barry [14:46] +1 [14:46] +1 received from bdrung [14:46] +1 [14:46] +1 received from micahg_mobile [14:46] +1 [14:46] +1 received from stgraber [14:47] +1 [14:47] +1 received from tumbleweed [14:47] #endvote [14:47] Voting ended on: Should Chris J Arges become Ubuntu Contributing Developer? [14:47] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [14:47] Motion carried [14:47] thanks everybody [14:48] * bdrung did it correctly this time. :) [14:48] arges: congrats. [14:48] arges: well done [14:48] arges: congrats and see you soon for coredev! [14:48] arges: congrats indeed, and looking forward to your core-dev app [14:48] arges: congrats, and i echo tumbleweed's anticipation [14:49] yup. will do! [14:49] arges: i would like to see you to apply for core-dev soon with testimonials from non kernel devs too. [14:49] bdrung: yup. Agreed. [14:49] #topic MOTU Applications: Allison Randal === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Developer Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: MOTU Applications: Allison Randal [14:49] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AllisonRandal/MOTU [14:50] wendar: ping === pinky is now known as brianchid [14:50] wendar: hi, please introduce yourself. [14:50] * Laney loves http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/ [14:55] ho hum [14:56] I pinged her in private 25min ago without a reply, so looks like she's not around :( [14:57] wake up, wendar [14:57] 2 minutes left :P [14:57] The DMB has you. [14:58] okay. let's defer her application to the next meeting on 2013-02-25. [14:59] sounds good [14:59] it'll also be later in the day so should work better for her (IIRC she's on PST) [14:59] should we discuss the decoupling of the PPU from Ubuntu membership or end this meeting on time? [14:59] I'd prefer we end the meeting [14:59] yeah [14:59] plus micah is gone and heh loves this topic [14:59] ;) [15:00] he [15:00] okay. thanks for coming. now i can use this command correctly: [15:00] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:00] Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 15:00:10 2013 UTC. [15:00] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-14.31.moin.txt [15:00] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-14.31.html [15:00] bdrung: thanks for chairing! [15:00] thanks for chairing [15:00] you're welcome. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [18:00] \o [18:00] hi! [18:00] hello [18:01] hello [18:01] * sbeattie o/ [18:01] #startmeeting [18:01] Meeting started Mon Feb 11 18:01:39 2013 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:01] \o [18:01] The meeting agenda can be found at: [18:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [18:01] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [18:02] Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for oneiric-raring for xen [18:02] Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) provided debdiffs for oneiric-quantal for firebird2.5 (LP: #1115902) [18:02] Launchpad bug 1115902 in firebird2.5 (Ubuntu Raring) "NULL Pointer Denial of Service Vulnerability" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1115902 [18:02] Malcolm Scott (malc) provided a debdiff for precise for cfingerd (LP: #1104425) [18:02] Launchpad bug 1104425 in cfingerd (Debian) "SECURITY: remotely-exploitable buffer overflow in cfingerd's rfc1413 (ident) client" [Unknown,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1104425 [18:02] Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job and thanks! :) [18:02] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [18:02] I'll go first [18:03] I'm on community this week [18:03] and patch piloting [18:03] I've got openjdk that I am testing today and will most likely push tomorrow [18:04] I've also got another pending update [18:04] and quite a few meetings this week [18:04] I'm not particularly hopeful, but if I have time, I look at the lxc mir [18:04] mdeslaur: you're up [18:05] I'm in the happy place this week. I have a few updates pending which should go out tomorrow. [18:05] and am currently working on some more [18:05] the CVE list has gone up a bit, so I'll try and chainsaw my way through some of it this week. [18:06] mdeslaur: fyi, I deferred nss for the time being [18:06] need to take a look at the work items also this weeks [18:06] upstream is working on a fix, but nothing to do atm [18:06] jdstrand: cool, thanks [18:06] that's about it from me. sbeattie, you're next [18:06] I'm once again focused on apparmor this week. [18:07] Ever so gradually making progress on my work items related to that. [18:07] That's pretty much it for me, tyhicks? [18:07] sbeattie: making any progress there? [18:07] yeah, it's just slow. [18:07] I have a short week [18:07] cool [18:08] Off Thursday and Friday [18:08] I should be focused on AppArmor primarily this week [18:08] I want to make some changes to the dbus package in the dbus-dev PPA [18:09] I still haven't uploaded my compiler warning fixes and I want to enable libaudit support now that audit is in main [18:09] do we have an eta on when we'll be pushing any of that to raring? [18:09] jjohansen: Are you wanting to have the socket labeling work done firsT? [18:10] tyhicks: before the apparmor bits hit main? Hrmm I think we should discuss that [18:10] mdeslaur: That will be the biggest remaining chunk, I think, so we'll have to discuss a bit more [18:10] ok [18:11] Then I'll try to get some work on in the kernel policy interface [18:11] that's it for me [18:11] jjohansen: you're up [18:12] so I am working on apparmor again this week, I'll be continuing with the socket labeling work, and I have some fixes to the stacking exec path / label merging to do [18:12] I'll also be getting together with tyhicks to look at the dbus bits to see what needs to be done before it is merged [18:13] I think thats it from /me sarnold your up [18:13] I'm also on AppArmor duty this week, I'll be reviewing John's patches [18:14] his last patch flood was pretty steep :) so I expect it'll keep me occupied for a while [18:14] I'm also on triage this week [18:14] * jjohansen will give sarnold another flood of patches this week, just to make sure he is drowning [18:14] but the last two weeks look like they had more than their share of security problems :) so I'm hoping for a quiet week :) [18:14] jjohansen: woo :) [18:14] * sarnold <-- patchmonster nom nom nom [18:15] :) [18:15] hehe [18:15] that's it for me, back to jdstrand [18:15] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [18:15] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [18:15] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [18:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeipa.html [18:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-jpgraph.html [18:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/zoneminder.html [18:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/obby.html [18:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libsmi.html [18:15] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [18:16] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [18:22] mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks! [18:22] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:22] Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 18:22:16 2013 UTC. [18:22] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-18.01.moin.txt [18:22] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-11-18.01.html [18:22] thanks jdstrand [18:22] thanks [18:22] thanks jdstrand :) [18:22] jdstrand: thanks [18:23] thanks jdstrand [18:26] np === TheDrums_ is now known as TheDrums === doko_ is now known as doko === Cees_ is now known as Cees