[05:53] <Prax> hola
[05:54] <Prax> I was just courious if there was anymore of an eta for the galaxy nexus image
[11:44] <tarelerulz> Is there a release date for Ubuntu phone?  Something I couple put on a phone and see it with my own eyes?
[13:20] <dpm> hi tarelerulz, this should help with your question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone
[14:20] <MostHated> wtb ubuntu phone for nexus 4 : \
[17:29] <KevinWright> Yo, any Weather App people here?
[17:31] <melnaquib> Hi Kevin
[17:31] <KevinWright> melnaquib: Hey hey, how are you
[17:31] <m-b-o> H Kevin
[17:31] <KevinWright> m-b-o: hi
[17:31] <melnaquib> fine, we still missing 2 ppl I guess
[17:32] <Jakub> Hi guys
[17:32] <KevinWright> Jakub: hello
[17:32] <KevinWright> that's 3
[17:32] <melnaquib> now 1, hi Yakub
[17:32] <melnaquib> now 1, hi Jakub*
[17:32] <ToMfromTO> Yes Kevin, hello.
[17:33] <KevinWright> m-b-o, Jakub, melnaquib, ToMfromTO: Hi all
[17:33] <KevinWright> m-b-o, Jakub, melnaquib, ToMfromTO: Did you all get a chance to look at the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Weather
[17:34] <rustino> hi everyone!
[17:34] <Jakub> I did
[17:34] <m-b-o> yes
[17:34] <KevinWright> rustino: hi
[17:34] <rustino> hi Kevin
[17:34] <ToMfromTO> yes
[17:35] <KevinWright> Were there any specific questions or comments that come to mind?
[17:35] <KevinWright> It doesn't have a lot of detail so we should fill in the gaps
[17:36] <KevinWright> Example, are the user stories valid / complete?
[17:36] <KevinWright> Any comments about those?
[17:36] <KevinWright> Something to add?
[17:36] <m-b-o> I want to add more than one location
[17:36] <KevinWright> Good idea
[17:37] <KevinWright> Anything else anyone?
[17:37] <melnaquib> should there be charts?
[17:37] <KevinWright> Maybe
[17:37] <KevinWright> If we can do it, why not!
[17:37] <KevinWright> I think one of the weather apps I looked at does the same
[17:38] <KevinWright> It shows by the hour change in temp.
[17:38] <Jakub> charts in my opinion is must to be
[17:38] <KevinWright> What other kind of charts?
[17:38] <Jakub> i really like new.meteo.pl weather from Warsaw University
[17:38] <melnaquib> charts that soan a week/month of daily temperature
[17:39] <KevinWright> That's a good idea
[17:39] <Jakub> charts of temperature, humidity and cloud (if available)
[17:39] <melnaquib> or just symbols for sunny/cloudy/foggy/snow/etc
[17:39] <KevinWright> BTW, we need a data source
[17:39] <KevinWright> The wiki suggests some possible sources
[17:40] <KevinWright> But maybe we need to look for more
[17:40] <ToMfromTO> I don't think that charts are an essential part of the application.
[17:40] <KevinWright> Some simple ones at first might be good
[17:40] <melnaquib> in later phase, i'd suggest accepting plugins for data sources
[17:40] <KevinWright> You mean more than one source of data? e.g. to swap between different sources?
[17:40] <melnaquib> a file with xpath, something similar
[17:41] <KevinWright> So at first we need to choose one good one
[17:41] <ToMfromTO> Current weather information and a week forecast is enough for me.
[17:41] <melnaquib> "to swap between different sources?" yes, and allow user to download a "plugin file" that would naturally come from store later
[17:42] <KevinWright> I guess we would need to look into that later, but it is a good idea
[17:42] <KevinWright>  Yes the current weather is a must have
[17:42] <KevinWright> And 5 to 7 day forecast for sure
[17:42] <KevinWright> What about hourly?
[17:43] <m-b-o> as a second/detail view perhaps?
[17:43] <melnaquib> hourly? haven't run into that before
[17:43] <melnaquib> "as a second/detail view perhaps?" good idea
[17:43] <KevinWright> I saw it in one app or site
[17:43] <KevinWright> Yes, it was secondary
[17:43] <Jakub> I'm using hour weather forcast from Warsaw University. They have so good model that it's really great thing to have
[17:44] <Jakub> but unfortunately they told me that no API is available
[17:44] <KevinWright> Ah too bad
[17:44] <KevinWright> We need a good API for sure
[17:44] <KevinWright> The one here looks good: http://api.yr.no/weatherapi/documentation
[17:45] <rustino> information about sunset/moonset sunrise/moonrise
[17:45] <m-b-o> another api: http://www.weather.com/services/xmloap.html
[17:45] <KevinWright> But not sure if it covers all use cases
[17:45] <KevinWright> rustino: that would be good
[17:46] <KevinWright> So the priority seems to be current weather, 5-7 day forecast, and maybe hourly
[17:46] <KevinWright> Should or could have might be some additional detail such as humidity, sunset etc.
[17:46] <melnaquib> should i query a location without stting it?
[17:47] <melnaquib> like, see how is now in Berlin, without saving the city location
[17:47] <rustino> wunderground has some interesting api
[17:47] <rustino> http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/
[17:48] <KevinWright> melnaquib: so you mean the user switching a city
[17:48] <Jakub> I think the most important are temperature, level of rain and cloudiness
[17:48] <KevinWright> rustino: does it look easy to use?
[17:48] <rustino> but has some limitation for free use
[17:48] <KevinWright> ah too bad
[17:48] <KevinWright> Wat kind of limitation
[17:48] <KevinWright> wat == what
[17:49] <KevinWright> Jakub: agreed
[17:49] <melnaquib> http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/pricing.html
[17:49] <rustino> 500 calls/day 10  all/minute
[17:49] <KevinWright> We should find a free source
[17:49] <KevinWright> If that determines the limitations on functionality that's OK
[17:50] <melnaquib> only 3 days forecast
[17:50] <KevinWright> 3 days isn't so bad
[17:50] <rustino> http://openweathermap.org/
[17:50] <rustino> still beta, but promising
[17:51] <KevinWright> might be good enough
[17:51] <KevinWright> OK, maybe the first action point is to collect all the different possible sources of data we can find and compare them
[17:51] <KevinWright> How does that sound
[17:52] <Jakub> great idea
[17:52] <KevinWright> Should all of us give it a try or only a couple of us
[17:52] <melnaquib> :Kevin, sounds ok, give us a time limit for searching it
[17:52] <KevinWright> If we all take 1 or 2 days at our leisure it could be enough
[17:53] <KevinWright> Just a small amount of time to search should be OK
[17:53] <KevinWright> We already have some good suggestions
[17:53] <KevinWright> Maybe we will have some duplicate suggestions, but that is OK
[17:54] <KevinWright> It will confirm the better selections
[17:54] <KevinWright> How does that sound
[17:54] <melnaquib> great
[17:54] <rustino> great
[17:54] <m-b-o> okay
[17:55] <Jakub> ok
[17:56] <KevinWright> ToMfromTO: how does that sound
[17:57] <KevinWright> OK, where should we collect the information?
[17:57] <KevinWright> Just share it by email at first?
[17:57] <ToMfromTO> Sound's just fine, I've found some other sources: http://blog.programmableweb.com/2012/01/11/12-json-weather-apis/
[17:57] <KevinWright> Cool
[17:57] <KevinWright> Once we know the API we are dealing with then we can start some coding and creating more specific action items for the back end
[17:58] <usererror> trello works great for brainstorming
[17:58] <KevinWright> usererror: nice suggestion
[17:58] <usererror> tym
[17:58] <ToMfromTO> basecamp is great is someone has a payed account
[17:59] <usererror> never checked it out but I will
[17:59] <ToMfromTO> *if
[17:59] <KevinWright> Let's start with a couple of emails and look at trello at the same time
[17:59] <KevinWright> Alright I think we have the start of a plan
[18:00] <KevinWright> How about we sync up again on Wednesday everyone?
[18:00] <m-b-o> would be okay for me
[18:00] <melnaquib> good for me
[18:00] <usererror> Good luck to ya guys, glad I could offer useful input - Looking forward to learning from your project (and using it!)
[18:01] <Jakub> Accuweather has many positive votes on Android Market. Maybe we should also look in that direction...?
[18:01] <KevinWright> usererror: thanks again for the suggestion
[18:01] <KevinWright> Jakub: let's check the features
[18:01] <usererror> feel free to PM me any time if you want someone to brainstorm with or just have a random issue..
[18:01] <ToMfromTO> wednesday is fine with me
[18:01] <usererror> PM or Highlight **
[18:02] <KevinWright> Alright Weather App people, thanks for meeting up...ttyl!
[18:02] <melnaquib> bye evrybody
[18:03] <m-b-o> cu!
[18:03] <Jakub> thanks, buy
[18:03] <Jakub> bye;)
[18:05] <ToMfromTO> Thanks Kevin, bye
[18:05] <Jakub> Hevin are You still there?
[18:10] <rustino> wed is ok for me
[18:10] <rustino> tnx everyone!
[18:10] <rustino> bye bye
[18:31] <wastrel> hi phonies
[20:20] <Neo31> hello folks, can someone provide a mailing list for ubuntu phone please ?
[20:21] <Neo31> I am also interested in contributing to the project, is there something I can help with !?
[20:24] <Lazowik> as for now you can download SDK and write apps
[20:25] <Lazowik> you can find the list at launchpad
[20:25] <Neo31> yes Lazowik , I am aware of that. any todo list or other things I can help with please ?
[20:25] <Neo31> ok
[20:25] <Lazowik> and only there you can subscribe, by joining the group
[20:26] <Lazowik> as far as I know you can help with development of the core apps
[20:26] <Neo31> done
[20:26] <Neo31> good :)
[20:26] <Lazowik> they will be preintalled
[20:26] <Neo31> thanks for help Lazowik
[20:26] <Lazowik> no problem ;)
[20:27] <ryansipes> Neo31: You can always develop other apps too.
[20:27] <ryansipes> Neo31: I've been working on a couple that I will make available for the phone once I've had a chance to test them myself (once the phone image is released).
[20:27] <Neo31> yep, I wanted to see if there are some requested apps that are not developed yet
[20:28] <Neo31> good :)
[20:28] <nOStahl> hi all
[20:29] <Neo31> do you know if there will be some emulator or virtual ubuntu phone soon for testing apps? (I can't afford an expensive phone for now)
[20:29] <nOStahl> that would be neat
[20:34] <nOStahl> so I have a buddy with an older common android phone
[20:34] <nOStahl> what all will he have to do to install ubuntu phone on it
[20:36] <Lazowik> I'd depend on xda guys
[20:36] <Neo31> as I know ubuntu is only supported on the galaxy nexus device for now
[20:36] <nOStahl> thought the key was, if there are android drivers for your device then ubuntu for phones works on it
[20:36] <Neo31> you are on your own for other devices, but they also say it is compatible with android drivers (which is the hardest thing to work on for xda guys)
[20:37] <Neo31> yep that's it nOStahl
[20:38] <Lazowik> I think that the next thing might be screen size
[20:39] <Lazowik> UI will be probably suited to Nexus
[20:39] <Neo31> and cpu + ram
[20:39] <nOStahl> how much are nexus phones going for now
[20:39] <Neo31> high cpu+ram is required to be able to switch to desktop on the same device
[20:40] <Lazowik> remember you want galaxy nexus, *not* nexus 4
[20:40] <Lazowik> gsm
[20:40] <nOStahl> I'm very excited
[20:41] <Neo31> have a look on ebay nOStahl you can find cheaper ones
[20:41] <nOStahl> 160ish
[20:41] <nOStahl> not bad
[20:42] <nOStahl> is ubuntu for phone finally a good phone for IT guys who manage servers on the go lol
[20:42] <nOStahl> iPhone minority works lol
[20:42] <Neo31> it is absolutely
[20:42] <nOStahl> a real terminal on my phone? :)
[20:42] <Lazowik> you get terminal out of box
[20:42] <Neo31> I am currently a sys and network admin
[20:43] <nOStahl> now if only I could install it on my iPhone 5
[20:43] <Neo31> there is nothing better than a native linux phone :)
[20:43] <nOStahl> i do like this iPhone feel
[21:05] <nOStahl> will we see netflix on ubuntu phone
[21:08] <Neo31> i think that depends on netflix!
[21:13] <nOStahl> I sure hope we will
[21:13] <nOStahl> what drm did they use for android phones?
[21:44] <Sinan___> I want ubuntu phone for my note 2 :)
[21:45] <Sinan___> With Samsung smart dock, it'll be an awesome pocket computer
[22:14] <nOStahl> so how long till we see ubuntu for tablets
[22:15] <nOStahl> Sinan___: that'd be pretty cool with a dock
[22:15] <nOStahl> Sinan___: i'd like a laptop dock device just keyboard and monitor etc and maybe a battery