[02:36] looks like you guys had fun in here! I was away from my pc all weekend.. and it' s off to sleep for me now.. However, I can pop in to say hello if anyone is awake :-) [02:36] so, hello :-) [02:37] hello :) [02:37] hey pleia2! everything go ok.. I really wanted to be around for the sessions yesterday, but I didn't have a pc yesterday [02:38] yep, all went well except vbox being difficult (postponed that specific session) [02:38] ahh.. I saw some emails about that :-( [03:55] balloons: you around? [03:55] I guess not - it being stupid'o'clock in the states [04:01] thomi, balloons should appear around 10 hours later [04:02] smartboyhw: yeah, it'll be "tomorrow" for me by then - I'll email him instead [04:02] for anyone else that cares, I've just pushed a branch that makes the 'autopilot vis' tool usable again \o/ [04:02] should be in the PPA shortly [07:05] Good morning [07:42] hello, pitti :) [07:44] hey JoseeAntonioR [07:44] how's it going? [07:45] quite fine, thanks! how about yourself? [07:45] I'm pretty good, just a bit tired [07:51] good morning [07:55] good morning [07:57] bonjour jibel [07:58] Hey pitti [08:34] the unstoppable vibhav added a few more autopkgtest I see :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:17] dholbach: hehe [13:22] * vibhav writes test for libnfs [13:36] libfirestring* === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === pinky is now known as brianchid [15:29] balloons, PING [15:54] jibel: hm, I tried to tell jhbuild to rebuild clutter/mutter several times now by modifying their ~/jhbuild-data/jhbuild.modules [15:54] jibel: it did update the hash sum, but didn't actually rebuild; is there a better trick? [15:56] pitti, a direct invocation of jhbuild but then jenkins will not reflect the latest status. I'll have a look in a minute. [15:56] jibel: I can do jbhuild buildone, but I was afraid of circumventing the housekeeping of the scripts, indeed [15:57] So, a fix was confirmed for autopilot vis? [15:57] pitti, you can run jhbuild anyway, that will not hurt anything, jenkins won't even notice ;) [15:58] jibel: right, but I do want it to notice :) [15:58] jibel: I could perhaps go into the checkout and git reset --hard HEAD^, to force it to re-checkout? [16:00] I'll try that [16:01] you can try that, does latest commit fixes the build failure? [16:02] jibel: it wasn't an upstream fault, but a temporary boo-boo in our libx* packages [16:07] pitti: The wayland API/ABI is still work-in-progress, right? [16:07] vibhav: that's what I understand, yes [16:08] Would it be sensible to write an autopkgtest for it? [16:09] vibhav: GTK is using it, so it's not wasted in any case [16:09] ah yes [16:11] pitti, what time did you retry mutter by updating ~/jhbuild-data/jhbuild.modules? [16:12] thomi: How's the vis bug going? I was actually working on it late last week, though I didn't submit a bug report. [16:14] jibel: many times over the past days [16:48] jibel: chuckle at "jbbuildrc" -- you do love the thing, don't you :) [16:52] pitti, heh, I do :) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [17:53] Cadence week stream going live in 10 mins: http://youtu.be/aOkbMiyJIbI === balloons changed the topic of #ubuntu-quality to: "Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | Cadence Livestream Monday @ 1800 UTC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOkbMiyJIbI | Cadence Week #6 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring/Week6" [18:02] everyone awake? [18:03] before I go too deep wth this I want to make sure you can see the stream [18:03] * balloons taps the mic, is this thing on/ [18:03] yep I see it, stream is still showing the please wait screen [18:03] ok, great [18:08] can you see and hear? [18:09] see, no hear [18:12] no hear :-( [18:12] yep :) [18:14] balloons, \o [18:14] I was eating something [18:38] balloons: autopilot vis is fixed! [18:41] does anyone remember how to restart alsa? === TheDrums_ is now known as TheDrums [19:01] we even ended on time [19:02] thomi, sweet.. [19:02] good to hear [19:02] I heard millings about how autopilot introspection bits are going to be in raring on a daily basis [19:02] thus eliminating the need for the ppa ,or ? [19:15] ssbob, howdy.. Were you able to view the stream successfully? [19:16] yeah although the quality was bad, made everything crazy blurry. But I figure when it gets posted up I will be able to rematch it [19:16] re-watch it [19:17] hmm.. well it the quality is super bad, I may have to resort to pre-recording them [19:17] what about just doing it on google + instead of youtube? or is there a reason for youbute for the live portion? [19:18] I did edit the first 8 mins out.. yes, youtube was so it could go live to everyone [19:18] mm.. yea, text quality is bad [19:18] hard to read, but the audio was just fine [19:19] I'm not sure if it will eventually upload better than 480p [19:20] I like to screencast in 1080p [19:20] yeah that would be great [19:22] balloons: 480p is the best resolution youtube can give you [19:23] JoseeAntonioR, :-( Yea, so kind of a bust then [19:23] bummer [19:23] welp, the other tutorials whch you can read cover things nicely [19:23] balloons: maybe you can record it and upload it, I could upload it to ubuntuonair if you like [19:24] I'll just do a screencast short version of the cadence testing to add to it [19:24] JoseeAntonioR, hmm.. yes, livestreaming a pre-recorded broadcast.. [19:24] interesting.. since you know, you'd really just want folks to look at the original when it's done [19:25] if you give me a second I can check if we can replace the video after broadcasted [19:25] JoseeAntonioR, ty [19:25] Noskcaj, where's your whoarewe page again [19:25] I've got to get that linked [19:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre [19:26] ohh [19:26] whoweare [19:26] sneaky! [19:27] oh, looks like that can'e be done [19:27] JoseeAntonioR, well, thanks for taking a look [19:27] np [19:27] balloons: sorry for the delay - balloonsyes, the introspection bits are now in raring [19:27] perhaps we'll just have hangouts.. and for the instructional pieces, do screencasts [19:27] released daily too! [19:27] :-) [19:28] ssbob, so quality aside, is the video worth leaving up then.. did it help you? [19:29] howdy chilicuil [19:29] yeah, for me I learn quickest by seeing it done [19:30] hi balloons, good afternoon! =) [19:31] k, I'll leave it up [19:31] and just do screencasts for now.. perhaps we can do hangouts during cadence weeks which don't need the video quality [19:31] chilicuil, afternoon to you as well [19:31] I made abug for you today [19:32] launchpad.net/bugs/1122293 [19:32] bug 1122293 [19:32] bug 1122293 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Nautilus testcase needs clarified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1122293 [19:32] wow too good ubot [19:33] balloons: yep, we're only 1 hour defaced, ok, I'll look at it now, today my afternoon is free [19:33] it's a minor detail.. but it was neat, since I could show how people could give feedback easily [19:34] so ty for the setup :-) [19:35] balloons: wow, then I think we'll see videos about how to contribute to the testcases in lp very soon =) [19:36] yes.. it's on the list to screencast.. basically all the writeups on the wiki are going to video [19:37] man.. the low quality thing is weird too.. I mean look at my old video. even at 480p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyCE5e0nxE [19:37] you can read it easily [19:40] yeah quality is way better on that one, weird that same res shows up so differently [19:41] balloons: I'll use a little bit of zoom there, just to make it even easier, and for screencasting the console, gnome-terminal with bigger letters or shell in box to get the terminal in firefox too, I used for this: http://www.youtube.com/ugjmexico and it works ok [19:48] stgraber, balloons do you need help testing ltsp for 12.04.2? [19:49] I'll take care of it for Edubuntu but I don't mind someone doing it for the alternate [19:53] jibel, that would be great [19:59] hello Letozaf_ , fully_human [19:59] Hi balloons [19:59] Oh, hey Letozaf_ . [19:59] fully_human, hey [19:59] Hey, balloons , I mean. [19:59] :-p [20:00] hi guys [20:00] Hey SergioMeneses [20:00] * SergioMeneses is back [20:01] hey everyone.. [20:01] lots of stuff to test this week.. everyone ready? [20:01] balloons, Letozaf_ we have logs of our testing sessions available, right? [20:02] balloons, of course! ;) [20:02] yes.. ohh, I wanted to ask SergioMeneses and Letozaf_ if you could put together/migrate/link to the tutorial for hw testing [20:02] from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker [20:02] balloons: regarding the autopilot PPA - we don't currently have the Qt5 packages in raring, so we can't release autopilot-qt introspection plugins in raring.... so if you're doing At application tests, better leave the PPA enabled for the time being [20:03] balloons: shouldn't be more than a week or so until we fix that though [20:03] thomi, gotcha.. I [20:03] I'd just be curious if there will be a non-needed ppa point or not.. I'm leaving mine on [20:04] hi SergioMeneses o/ [20:05] I know there is a tutorial here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures [20:05] in general, I'd like to clean up that area of the wiki and get it integreated nicely [20:05] it's still using the old header for instance [20:06] I think the content from your sessions can be used to help augment and get it nicely tidied [20:08] balloons, sounds good... maybe we all can work together for this, this week Im going to work on the UF wiki page ( cprofitt ) so, I can do something on our own wiki [20:09] I just want to make sure the work you all did for the session ends up in some form on the wiki too.. so it's preserved [20:09] and of course, I'd like to get a screencast and text walkthrough of doing it [20:09] as things get sorted out, we'll work on those [20:11] balloons, SergioMeneses I'm not very good in wiki work, I mean I can do something, but I'm not an expert, so maybe SergioMeneses can do it, if he needs I can help and learn [20:12] Since I'm new, could I hop on board with the wiki? [20:12] fully_human, of course@ [20:13] fully_human, the wiki is open -- I'm not sure of the best way to represent our 'docs' needs persay [20:13] almost need a bug tracker for it, haha [20:14] balloons, I run a mac at home and can test the mac versions of the iso's if that is helpful at all. [20:14] using virtual box of course [20:14] ssbob, ohh.. sweet, yea, amd64+mac always could use help [20:14] Letozaf_, dony worry I can teach you something about wikis ;) [20:14] great [20:14] ssbob, ahh.. the intent with those would be on real hw [20:14] What exactly is going on with the wiki, though? I read the conversation above, but was there a previous conversation. [20:15] ohh, well recently Letozaf_ and SergioMeneses and prime2h gave a session on the laptop tracke [20:15] there is a section the wiki on it; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop [20:15] balloons, Letozaf_ fully_human all you can need is here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide [20:16] however, it needs updated with the content they covered and pulled into the main QATeam wiki a bit better as well [20:16] hmm I can test it out, have never installed anything other than mac os (and windows w/ bootcamp). [20:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam [20:16] ssbob, ahh.. well, depending on the version of mac, it's not always easy to mess with them [20:16] that is what time machine is for :) [20:16] SergioMeneses, thanks for the link [20:16] i have one for a time.. I really didn't care for it. however, jibel who isn't likely around at the moment, has good mac+ ubuntu experience [20:17] if your interested, he can help out.. as can a few others.. posting on the list works too and see who chimes back [20:17] then perhaps I will stick to regular ubuntu in a VM for testing [20:17] I'd recommend it at first [20:17] then branch into real hw installs [20:17] then tackle the mac :-) [20:17] seems reasonable [20:17] steeping stones [20:20] Letozaf_, dont worry ;) [20:20] so fully_human the wiki is open, provided you have a ubuntu sso [20:20] SergioMeneses, ok :D [20:22] balloons, and launchpad account [20:26] balloons, I have 12.04 installed on a partition of my PC, I was thinking of trying an upgrade, but there is no upgrade testcase in the iso tracker this turn, do you need an upgrade test or should I just try reinstalling ? [20:26] Letozaf_, someone else mentioned that and I mean to take it up [20:27] balloons, ok, so I will wait for it [20:28] I could add it easily enough.. I'm pinging the release team about why it's not there [20:28] I didn't setup the milestone [20:28] ok guys I have to go for a while, I'll be back soon [20:30] btw before I leave, balloons I think we can put all logs together like the user day wiki does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [20:30] Letozaf_, phillw ↑↑↑ [20:31] SergioMeneses, yes looks good :D [20:31] Letozaf_, I'm adding the upgrade stuff now [20:31] balloons, ok thanks [20:31] Letozaf_, but we have to re-edit our wiki ;) make it more friendly [20:31] balloons, great! [20:32] SergioMeneses, oh well I hope you know what you're doing, I'm just following you :D [20:32] :O [20:33] balloons, do you know if anyone encountered this bug: [20:33] I had it several times on ARM [20:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1122162 [20:33] Launchpad bug 1122162 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "cannot enter personal information on ubiquity's "Who are you" screen" [Undecided,New] [20:34] balloons, and also this one:http://launchpad.net/bugs/1089090 [20:34] Launchpad bug 1089090 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Partitioning does not work correctly during install of Raring ARM" [Undecided,New] [20:36] Letozaf_, I was actually going to fire up arm this week and try it out [20:36] so, I'll let you know [20:36] let me sub to these so I don't lose them [20:37] balloons, the first one doesn't always occur, but it has occured serval times now so I decided to open a bug [20:41] cprofitt, ping === Noskcaj is now known as Noskcaj_AFK [20:44] balloons, by the way the upgrade stuff isn't there yet, I can see it in the left pane but not in the right one where the testcases are... [20:45] Letozaf_, yes, I know [20:45] balloons, ah ok sorry :D! [20:45] I found a bigger issue.. I missed the fact these tests are pointing at the old stuff [20:45] because historically precise was tested using it, so it was neve rupdated [20:46] trying to see if we can get the new tests in there without breaking the history.. that's the trouble [20:46] balloons, I'm not in a hurry :D I can wait! [20:58] some around? I need an opinion [20:58] I don't know anything but can try to answer it :) [20:59] ssbob, dont worry you can help me :D [20:59] ssbob, can you open this link? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF [20:59] do you see anything wrong? [21:00] looks pretty [21:00] ssbob, ok [21:01] so, the design works [21:01] SergioMeneses, the "project" link points to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hhttps%3A//launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly [21:01] Letozaf_, dont worry [21:01] SergioMeneses, :D [21:01] Im working on design first, it is the hard part [21:02] Letozaf_, do you see it well? [21:02] only design [21:02] SergioMeneses, well looks good, but I'm not an expert as I said, I mean do not know if you guys have a standard to keep to [21:04] SergioMeneses, sorry I meant to comply with [21:04] Sergio - site looks good, links work, renders fine (i.e. no funny characters, or misalignment) [21:05] SergioMeneses, yes looks good both on Firefox and Chromium [21:05] Letozaf_, all link works now, I fixed it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF [21:05] Letozaf_, ssbob thanks a lot for you help [21:06] np glad to be of assistance [21:06] btw the old wiki page is working as usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly [21:07] cprofitt: hello, do you have a moment to look at this UF-related bit? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1637589/ [21:07] roadmr, \o [21:08] SergioMeneses: hey! I welcome any comments on that [21:08] roadmr, sure! just give me a moment, Im still working on our wiki page [21:12] Letozaf_, well the upgrade stuff is on now [21:12] I'm a bit saddened by the legacy testcase stuff.. we sadly can't change it [21:14] balloons, doesn't matter :D we will use it as it is :D [21:19] * letozaf___ changed PC [21:28] SergioMeneses: I'll change the icons for some of here: http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/pictograms , match the colors in both menu's, the one who has (site, process..) and (next meeting..) and centralize the UF banner [21:32] chilicuil, sure! here are the icons http://design.ubuntu.com/downloads?metadata=element-pictogram Im working on it [21:40] chilicuil, look http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/ubuntu-pictograms [21:41] * balloons says ooooo! [21:42] test case question, if a step called for in a particular test case does not actually work (i.e. install some package that does not exist) do I stop with the test case? sorry about the noob question fellas. [21:44] SergioMeneses: I like the pizza bash, they're pretty good actually [21:44] ssbob, [21:45] dont worry I had the same question, you can add a note/comment about it [21:45] understood, thanks SergioMeneses [21:46] ssbob: I'd say yes, and I'd open a bug against ubuntu or against the testcase-manual project to fix the one with the mistake [21:47] got it, yeah I actually continued reading the walkthrough and realized if I had RTFM'd the page I would have found the answer myself. [21:48] I think ssbob you can see this example http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/251/builds/34454/testcases/1336/results [22:24] ssbob, yes, just let us know.. bugs can exist in testcases too.. but we do try hard to not have them happen :-) [22:25] right, yes I realize that. I am trying to file a bug and then submit the failed test but the link to the bug instructions (http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/buginstructions) just puts me back to the testing/cadence page (http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker). Looking at other bugs on other tests to get an idea where the bug should be filed. [22:27] I figured it out and am putting in a bug for the test case. [22:38] Hello everyone [22:38] hello Mawaheb! [22:39] Hello balloons , i was just reading the log of your previous session ! you are really putting good efforts, thanks for that ! [22:39] Mawaheb, your most welcome.. We want to make it easy for you to be a part :-) [22:40] am glad to be part of this community, it's late but , better than never i guess D [22:41] never too late :-) [22:42] so i hope all the information wasn't too much to process [22:42] I'm currently testing some images and running through the empathy tests [22:42] i wanted to ask you one thing about this [22:43] sure, go for it [22:43] do i need to do the images tests ? (live sessions) even if i run ubuntu as my main OS ? [22:45] i mean is it ok if i do the test senarios on my already installed ubuntu ? or it shoud be done using the iso images? [22:45] Mawaheb, is it an issue with downloading that much? You are welcome to participate in any ways you wish.. If your already running ubuntu raring, then your all set to test on installed versions [22:45] just make sure your packages are up to date [22:45] in general, image/iso testing is to test the installers [22:45] aha i see, [22:45] for people who don't have a version of ubuntu development installed, they can also use it to help test.. [22:46] but we like results from real installs :-) [22:46] ) [22:51] i really feel some sad that i did not join earlier , it seems that it will take me quite some time to get started, but i will do my best [22:52] don't worry.. your joining at a great time.. there's plenty to help out with, and lots of folks to meet.. you'll enjoy yourself ;-) [22:52] I just started today as well Mawaheb, plenty to do :) [22:53] :-) thanks, it makes me feel better, i think i need one more day to get used and to start working in active way, am still rading all the wikis and the logs to get familiary [22:55] gotta go now , it's quite late in here 12:55 am , see you all tomorrow :) [22:59] chilicuil, now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UFT [22:59] but I cant align the banner, {{attachment:image.png|alt text|align="position"}} doesnt work [23:01] SergioMeneses: yeah, it doesn't work, to get it in the middle I use || || || {{atta..}}|| [23:01] chilicuil, lol [23:01] like a table [23:01] mmm [23:01] yep SergioMeneses [23:06] jejeje chilicuil take a look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UFT [23:08] it look better in my opinion SergioMeneses =) [23:08] I like the icons better [23:08] sure [23:09] Gr33nD@y [23:09] sorry ignore that ;( [23:09] ssbob, happens to all of us :-) [23:10] ssbob, jejeje [23:10] balloons, is right [23:10] chilicuil, ssbob I'll keep both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/UF [23:17] ssbob, you still about? [23:17] yep [23:17] I finished my empathy testcases, had a fun bug had to get reported [23:18] anyways, I saw your bug report.. the irc piece worked for me [23:18] I was able to install that packaged [23:19] let's go take a look [23:19] hmm let me try that again [23:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=account-plugin-irc&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all [23:19] shows as being in since quantal, but does require universe [23:20] hmm.. is universe enabled in the live session [23:20] might not be [23:20] hmm I wonder if it was because I was on the live cd and not a full install [23:20] probably just main [23:20] that would be my guess [23:20] so that explains why I could not find it, as I can now on a full install [23:21] if you run 'software sources' you can turn on universe and multi-verse [23:21] even in the live session [23:21] so, regardless, best to update the case with that info [23:21] ok that makes sense, what should I do now? Update the bug and then results? [23:21] yep will do [23:21] yea, comment on the bug.. i'll confirm it [23:22] we'll update the case [23:23] May I help you guys with the bug? balloons ssbob [23:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1122484 [23:24] Launchpad bug 1122484 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Empathy test case needs clarification" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:25] I put a comment about resolution in the bug, will update the test case when I run through the steps [23:25] lets see [23:26] ssbob, but is it fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1122484/comments/2 [23:26] Launchpad bug 1122484 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Empathy test case needs clarification" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:27] yes it is [23:28] so would that be "invalid" then? or is this something that someone else has to change? [23:29] ssbob: the description of the testcase should be improved, that was my fault, I'm updating it right now, thanks a lot for your report =) [23:30] your welcome, I should have known to check the sources on a live install. Since I typically don't use it, the thought did not occur to me. [23:31] chilicuil, I think you should comment the bug too [23:32] but I dont think it is invalid, do you balloons chilicuil ? [23:33] SergioMeneses: I think it's valid as well, I'll comment it as soon as I get the merge proposed ready, in 5 min probably [23:37] chilicuil, perfect, I have changed the importance to "Low", I think is the best [23:37] SergioMeneses: cool [23:38] btw ssbob or chilicuil do you have the testcase link? [23:39] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/256/builds/37167/testcases/1415/results [23:39] yes, I think it's valid, just something to note if we're asking folks to install something.. note the repo it's in (just in case! they fdon't have universe multiverse) [23:39] balloons: Hi, do you think that for bug #1122293 is enough to add to the testcase, "Please ensure you have the 'multiverse' repository enabled (nod by default in live session)", or do you think I should provide instrucciontions to enable it? [23:39] bug 1122293 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Nautilus testcase needs clarified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1122293 [23:40] chilicuil, I think it's safe to say make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled (off by default in live session) [23:40] balloons: got it [23:40] I'm wondering though.. should we update the generic instructions for people who might be running things in a live sessioj [23:40] instead of the testcase [23:41] both perhaps, in case one was missed [23:41] for now let's make those changes.. something to think about [23:41] this way you stop getting bugs for silly mistakes from new testers ;) [23:42] balloons: yeah, it would be even better, a note in the iso tracker that say 'Please ensure to enable the universe | multiverse repositories' [23:44] balloons, rocks! I think is the best solution as well