[00:00] <penguin42> haha
[00:00] <penguin42> those are quite impressive
[00:00] <AlanBell> oh, I posted that googlewhack here :)
[00:00] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell is quite aware.
[00:01] <AlanBell> the point of the link was that it is a one word single result from google
[00:01] <AlanBell> not a real word so it doesn't fit the definition of a googlewhack
[00:02] <redtape-renegade> I usu. use Bing , but enlighten me , WTH is a googlwhack ?
[00:02] <AlanBell> two real words that if you search for them give exactly one result in google
[00:02] <redtape-renegade> .. and how can I get one myself .. ??
[00:04] <AlanBell> they are very hard to find
[00:05] <kanturk> Sends a slap over the internet ...goo.gl gangum style.
[00:06]  * redtape-renegade facepalms . to PSY.
[00:06] <aaron> hello
[00:07] <Guest72540> can some one help me :S
[00:08] <webpigeon> Apprently not
[00:09] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: What about a Hong Kong OEM.. would that do [??].. or would there be too many beaucratic resistance (from Mao China) ?
[00:11] <AlanBell> dunno
[00:12] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: Doesnt' seem to be too hard to get stuff made; see things like the cubieboard (although I think the guy who does it is based out there) - but there are loads of little ARM boxes, most supplied with android images, the challenge is to get one that has hardware which is well supported from a legal kernel
[00:13] <aaron__> Does anyone have an idea why it says my java run time eviroment isnt installed?
[00:13] <penguin42> because it isn't?
[00:13] <aaron__> but it is >.<
[00:14] <AlanBell> aaron__: tell us the rest of the story
[00:14] <aaron__> i tried downloading and installing something called Pokemmo
[00:14] <aaron__> and got installed, however it tells me i need java run time eviroment 1.6.0
[00:15] <aaron__> even though i use java 7 runtime
[00:15] <redtape-renegade> ThingIs, the reasion I say that is because the local TV repair shop steward told me they do software dev. for MONEUAL tv's as they need the funds to keeop going ./. I think if they followed the scent, they'd convince the Manufacturer to use the U|TV model .. but what do you think ?
[00:15] <AlanBell> aaron__: what does java -version do?
[00:15] <AlanBell> in a terminal window, just type java -version
[00:16] <aaron__> java 1.7.0
[00:16] <aaron__> ^ thats what it says
[00:16] <AlanBell> openjdk?
[00:18] <aaron__> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.4) (7u9-2.3.4-0ubuntu1.12.10.1)
[00:18] <webpigeon> aaron__: what says it isn't installed?
[00:18] <aaron__> an client called Pokemmo.exe
[00:18] <AlanBell> huh?
[00:18] <AlanBell> thought it was java? not a windows executable
[00:19]  * AlanBell downloads the thing
[00:19] <aaron__> i open the client and it tells me that java run time enviroment 1.6.0 isn't installed
[00:20] <webpigeon> aaron__: how do you open it?
[00:20] <webpigeon> if it's via wine, that'd be why
[00:20] <AlanBell> aaron__: run the PokeMMO.sh file instead
[00:20] <aaron__> i have :L but ill try again
[00:20] <AlanBell> don't run PokeMMO.exe, that is the thing for running it on windows
[00:22] <webpigeon> why people write odd wrappers for java I will never know
[00:22] <AlanBell> so go into that directory and run "bash PokeMMO.sh"
[00:23] <AlanBell> it will then start a little dialog box and complain about a lack of a valid rom
[00:23] <AlanBell> which presumably is the bit they can't legally distribute, so hopefully you have one of those already or something
[00:23] <webpigeon> a rom wrapped up in a java executable wrapped up in a windows executable :P
[00:24] <aaron__> apperently is command not found the whats the run thing >.<
[00:25] <aaron__> nevermind done it lol
[00:25] <redtape-renegade> What.exe ?
[00:25] <aaron__> had to allow the executeable to work xD
[00:26] <AlanBell> yes, you can chmod +x the script or run it with a shell, anyhow does it work?
[00:26] <aaron__> yeah thanks greatly for your help
[00:26] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[00:26] <aaron__> im only just getting used to running ubuntu lol
[00:26] <webpigeon> AlanBell++
[00:26] <AlanBell> night all o/
[00:27] <webpigeon> gnight
[00:27] <redtape-renegade> \o
[00:36] <webpigeon> welcome back
[00:36] <aaron__> hey :P
[00:37] <webpigeon> :)
[00:38] <aaron__> what tends to happen here? :P
[00:39] <webpigeon> people say things,things get things fixed, i've not been around for quite some time now :P
[00:39] <aaron__> ahh fair does, so theres random people pop in like me? :P
[00:40] <webpigeon> pretty much, quite a few regular users as well
[00:40] <aaron__> ahh cool
[01:14] <redtape-renegade> hi G4MBY, Aloha !!
[02:51] <evilgeniuz2010> hallo
[08:41] <daubers> Morning
[09:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:31] <Darael> Marnin'.
[10:00] <toaster> https://37.110.251.231/nfsen.php
[10:04] <AlanBell> toaster: I am not clicking that
[10:04] <AlanBell> what is it?
[10:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:07] <toaster> sorry pls ignore, wrong window
[10:07] <mungbean> :-\
[10:18] <mungbean> can someone check my maths:
[10:19] <mungbean> 13 character password, upper and lowercase alphabetical characters only: number of poosible permutations: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=52+choose+13&x=0&y=0
[10:19] <mungbean> 650 billion
[11:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:08] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:09] <davmor2> popey: ref oppo on g+ I couldn't resist :)
[11:31] <mungbean> i hear the pope is resigning
[11:33] <brobostigon> in another channel, someone else said that, so i said"is the pope catholic?" the response was,"apparently so." the joke was clearly misunderstood.
[11:34] <davmor2> brobostigon: no he's German
[11:35] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, i knew. but that wasnt the joke.
[11:35] <mungbean> :-\
[11:35] <davmor2> brobostigon: no that is the other joke :)
[11:36] <brobostigon> davmor2: the pope being german, well, i dont quite see it,
[11:36] <mungbean> does the pope poo in the woods?
[11:37] <brobostigon> lol
[11:37]  * popey is gutted he didn't register @pontifex on twitter
[11:39] <einonm> popey: there's always diaspora
[11:39] <einonm> or identica
[11:41] <popey> loldentica
[11:41] <brobostigon> dentypope
[11:42] <andylockran> what's the keyboard shortcut on ubuntu for switching between different windows of the same applications?
[11:43] <mungbean> diaspora, long time since i heard that
[11:43] <BigRedS> andylockran: alt+backtick
[11:43] <BigRedS> I think
[11:44] <andylockran> hmm, no worky
[11:44] <andylockran> (on a macbook)
[11:45] <BigRedS> Hm. I've just tested it in Gnome shell on debian and it worked :)
[11:46] <popey> no
[11:46] <popey> its alt+<the key above tab>
[11:46] <popey> not backtick
[11:46] <andylockran> ok, other issue is how to improve screen resolution on external display - stuck at 1024x768
[11:46] <andylockran> thanks popey! that worked :)
[11:46] <popey> nvidia driver installed?
[11:47] <popey> assuming its a mbp?
[11:47] <andylockran> mbp. intel integrated
[11:47] <andylockran> 13"
[11:48] <andylockran> MacBookPro8,1
[11:49] <andylockran> found the doc on how to fix it
[11:50] <einonm> does anyone know if OSX runs on ubuntu KVM out of the box yet, or does it still need patches to work ?
[11:52] <einonm> obviously running on apple hardware :)
[11:53] <BigRedS> popey: that's where I get my backticks from
[11:54] <BigRedS> but, yeah, I guess it doesn't follow backticks around on different maps
[11:55] <popey> it's configured internally as "the key above tab" so it doesn't matter what key that is
[11:55] <popey> in theory ☺
[12:09] <bigcalm> Jello :)
[12:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: hello muppet boy
[12:28] <andylockran> aww
[12:32] <FelixTheCat> I am trying to install Ubuntu but get "marking tsc unstable due to tsc halts in idle" followed by "clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -1761805988 ns) and now it just sits at a busybox prompt
[12:32] <FelixTheCat> please help me install ubuntu
[12:33] <directhex> what system?
[12:34] <FelixTheCat> directhex: sony vaio pcg-n5055sn
[12:35] <directhex> old vaio? lots of thoise are really broken with non-windows
[12:36] <FelixTheCat> directhex: yeah, about 15 years old
[12:36] <FelixTheCat> directhex: currently runs puppy but i want ubuntu on it
[12:36] <davmor2> FelixTheCat: go intt the bios an check the time on it
[12:38] <FelixTheCat> davmor2: time now is correct
[12:40] <davmor2> try again
[12:40] <davmor2> FelixTheCat: ^
[12:41] <davmor2> FelixTheCat: it might be that you're bios battery died losing the settings and mean that the Time Code Stamp was way out ie 10 years before the dates on the cd and thus confusing it
[12:41] <FelixTheCat> davmor2: same error
[12:43] <FelixTheCat> davmor2: are bios batteries replaceable on laptops
[12:43] <davmor2> FelixTheCat: Yeap just harder to get too
[12:45] <FelixTheCat> davmor2: i don't thing its a standard battery though (sealed i think)
[12:45] <davmor2> FelixTheCat: pass then
[12:56] <andylockran> fdfdfddfdf
[12:56] <andylockran> sdsd
[12:57] <davmor2> andylockran: stop cleaning your keyboard on irc ;)
[12:59] <andylockran> sorry
[12:59] <andylockran> network connection problem
[13:00] <davmor2> andylockran: any excuse :)
[13:01] <andylockran> sure
[13:17] <kanturk> Hi Simon_Nuttall . Aloha
[13:24] <kanturk> Boy, did that /go down/ well !!
[13:25] <kanturk>                                                         [sic]
[13:26] <BigRedS> Anyone know how to get Dovecot to log *all* commands sent to it?
[13:28] <mgdm> tcpdump? :-)
[13:28] <BigRedS> haha, yeah that's where I started
[13:28] <BigRedS> and then I wondered if there was a more imap-aware way of doing it, several minutes later it ocurred to me that Dovecot probably knows what it's being sent :)
[13:29] <BigRedS> Oh, and I think this is SSL also :(
[13:30] <davmor2> BigRedS: have a look in dovecots settings I think by default the logging is either off or set really low and it will tell you where it logs
[13:30] <BigRedS> yeah, I've turned on everything but auth_debug_passwords out of TFM, but that doesn't get commands
[13:31] <BigRedS> (where TFM is here: http://wiki1.dovecot.org/Logging)
[13:31] <BigRedS> I think I'll just get him to turn off SSL and tcpdump it
[13:35] <davmor2> BigRedS: I don't know if this is of any use http://www.njae.me.uk/Dovecot_server_setup
[13:36] <davmor2> BigRedS: It might just cover what you have already done
[13:43] <BigRedS> davmor2: hm, not a lot looks new aside from dovecot-lda having its own log, but that shouldn't be what I'm interested in...
[13:46] <davmor2> BigRedS: daft question but you did restart dovecot
[13:55] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah
[13:55] <davmor2> BigRedS: I figured you would of but it's always worth covering the basics :)
[13:56] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, I've definitely made that mistake in the past! :)
[13:58] <davmor2> BigRedS: and you can telnet the service?
[13:58] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, it's all working
[13:59] <BigRedS> there's just one client they're using that craps out with no real error. But it's authing okay so I'm wondering if it's trying to select a folder that doesn't exist or something
[14:00] <davmor2> BigRedS: tell them to use a different client and see if they have the same issue :)
[14:00] <BigRedS> haha, if only :)
[14:03] <davmor2> BigRedS: the only other thing you can do is use that client and see if you can connect, if you can then the likelihood is they have something setup wrong their end, if you can't then it could be an implementation issue in the client maybe other than that I think you are on your own
[14:05] <BigRedS> yeah, I think it's tcpdump/tcpflow to the rescue
[14:19] <skybinary> hiyaz:)
[14:19] <skybinary> i was trying to get minicom to run on startup, i am ssh to the server but it never seems to start, is there a way i can find out why?
[14:37] <BigRedS> Isn't minicom a gui app?
[14:37] <skybinary> yes
[14:37] <skybinary> well ncurses
[14:38] <BigRedS> Hah, yeah, that's what I meant. I've never used it, but when you want it to start on startup, is that something it's "supposed" to do? How are you trying to get it to start?
[14:38] <skybinary> i have tried rc.local as well as a crontab @reboot in crontab
[14:38] <BigRedS> And what version of Ubuntu? I've just remembered that I don't understand Upstart
[14:38] <skybinary> yeah i intend it to pick-up the phone , send me a file and hang up
[14:39] <skybinary>  2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP
[14:39] <BigRedS> ah, cool. If you run exactly what's in rc.local I guess it works?  I don't think I'm going to be any use here, really, I'm afraid :(
[14:40] <skybinary> no worries, thanks BigRedS
[14:40] <BigRedS> My guess is that it's trying to fire up a curses interface and failing 'cause of cron's environment, but that's based on almost nothing :)
[14:40] <skybinary> ahh, so screen maybe handy here
[14:41] <skybinary> i need to find out how to launch screen minicom now oh boi
[14:43] <skybinary> the script works fine in the terminal, i even exported the path my user activated script was using
[14:43] <kanturk> david says his to davidmarais .
[14:45] <kanturk> **hi
[14:46] <davidmarais> kanturk:hi
[14:48] <kanturk> davidmarais, Just nice to meet another David , tis'all.
[14:49] <davidmarais> kanturk;likewise there are actually a few of us in Canonical
[14:53] <kanturk> davidmarais,  Canonical is full of Character's .. http://goo.gl/8Gi2W
[14:54] <kanturk> How many would you say are on the Lubuntu team that work at Canonical itself, would you judge ?
[14:56] <popey> kanturk: thats the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you post that image... what are you trying to say with it?
[14:56] <popey> you seem to be alluding to something, but I may be to thick to figure it out
[14:59] <dwatkins> Full of character's what?
[14:59] <kanturk> "Post" ? Is this a G+comm. thingy?? sorry I got it off my boy on Saturday night.. Sorry if it offends you I'll tel him to de-dropbox it.
[14:59] <popey> it doesn't offend
[14:59] <popey> I flat out don't know what you're saying
[14:59] <popey> but you keep posting uit
[14:59] <popey> *it
[15:02] <kvarley> I don't understand why you would post a short url instead of the actual url either
[15:02] <skybinary> what is that piccy about?
[15:02] <kanturk> redtape, Can you get back to me when you check the logs for this chanel tonite after work ? Someone want the File Comment you showed me of your Screenshot from saturday
[15:03] <bigcalm> From the /topic: This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <BigRedS> I R clogs!
[15:04] <kanturk> popey, .. *I'll tweet him* to come back to you here. Prob. tonight or tomorrow.. morn.
[15:04] <popey> eh? you and he are not the same person?
[15:07] <skybinary> yay, i got it working, i had to use ... su - username -c "/usr/bin/screen -dmS /home/scripts/telnet" &
[15:07] <skybinary> in rc.local
[15:08] <kanturk> No, but we use the same office. It's a shared Vaio notebook that I use after doing the petty cajh for 10 mins on my smoking-break . I have to go now .. as my Radio 4 prog. has started. I'll stave off till his present arrives this week ..apparently his got a good deal on stationary. Bye.
[15:08] <BigRedS> skybinary: aha!
[15:13] <skybinary> i was trying /home/scripts/telnet & and then i tried screen /home/scripts/telnet, but with the -dmS option it runs as a deamon
[17:52] <jacobw> evening
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> woo, new Epic Rap Battle of History
[18:40] <bigcalm> Hazar! It is me!
[18:41] <penguin42> hey me
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> mii?
[18:42] <bigcalm> No, me!
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: hi me
[18:43] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: hi me too
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCcObwIsOs
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> "A Defense of Comic Sans"
[18:44] <dwatkins> It cannot be defended.
[18:46] <popey> i saw an app recently which, if you didn't pay for a license beyond 30 days, would revert to only displaying in comic sans
[18:47] <popey> novel
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: Last year, some radio DJs celebrated "Comic Sans Day", and $work participated (and klm.com as well!)
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: The CRM still has a "Use different font" user preference setting :)
[18:51] <jacobw> sometimes people act as if hatred of comic sans is irrational
[19:03] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: interesting video
[19:11] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBibXwwLBts
[19:47] <BigRedS> I was sent that the other day
[19:47] <BigRedS> I nearly changed my terminal font to comic sans in response but it's not free enough
[19:49] <davmor2> BigRedS: did you solve your issue with dovecot in the end?
[19:50] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, tcpdump
[19:51] <davmor2> BigRedS: what was it the way that client was interacting?
[19:51] <BigRedS> yeah, it could bring up an imap/ssl connection but didn't then know what to do with it
[19:51] <BigRedS> given a cleartext connection it was fine
[19:52] <BigRedS> so, actually, tcpdump itself didn't help, 'cause it started working as soon as it was clear enough to bother listening
[19:52] <davmor2> BigRedS: hahahaha
[19:52] <BigRedS> yeah, I was a bit baffled
[20:27] <DJones> Anybody rushing out to buy a 3D tv in anticipation of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21413511
[20:29] <BigRedS> I thought we all decided we didn't want 3D TV?
[20:30] <czajkowski> other half has one
[20:30] <czajkowski> it's rather cool watching stuff in 3D
[20:30] <shauno> they weren't issued ahead of the queen's speech last christmas?
[20:31] <BigRedS> haha, forgot about that
[21:10] <dwatkins> I know someone who bought a 3D TV because the particularly good panel he wanted was only available in a 3D model. He barely uses it in 3D mode.
[21:16] <directhex> i have a 3d tv
[21:16] <directhex> for some games, it's super awesome
[21:17] <directhex> basically games with a camera with mostly fixed focus on your protagonist, e.g. assassin's creed or wipeout
[21:17] <directhex> it's bad for games where the camera moves away from your character a lot
[21:19] <penguin42> directhex: I wouldn't mind trying Fold.it on a 3d set
[22:56] <zleap> wat is the remote login manager thing called from the login screen
[22:56] <zleap> xrmbc
[22:56] <zleap> or something
[22:56] <zleap> don't know what to google for
[22:59] <ali1234> xdmcp
[23:00] <zleap> xryeah
[23:01] <zleap> how do i add that option to the login screen for lubuntu
[23:01] <zleap> or ubuntu
[23:01] <ali1234> no idea
[23:02] <zleap> kl
[23:13] <penguin42> zleap: Try enabling xdmcpserver in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[23:13] <zleap> er ok
[23:13] <zleap> ok
[23:13] <penguin42> that is if you want to be able to login to the machine remotely
[23:13] <zleap> will do that later
[23:13] <zleap> yeah so its an option on the login menu
[23:14] <penguin42> oh, then that's different
[23:14] <penguin42> how about saying exactly what it is you want to be able to do?
[23:14] <zleap> ok
[23:15] <zleap> at one time there was a remote login option on the login screen
[23:15] <zleap> i want this back as an option
[23:15] <penguin42> and what exactly did that do?
[23:15] <zleap> dunno
[23:15] <penguin42> what did it let you log into?
[23:15] <popey> wat
[23:15] <zleap> i guess allowed remote login
[23:15] <popey> the remote login option in the logon screen is different from xdmcp
[23:15] <zleap> ok
[23:16] <zleap> i give up
[23:16] <popey> remote login is designed for corporate customers who want to allow users to access remote systems
[23:16] <zleap> ok
[23:16] <popey> e.g. to access a remote windows session on citrix
[23:16] <popey> you can also use it to remotely control ubuntu machines
[23:16] <zleap> tis used to he an option on linux gui display mangers
[23:16] <popey> yes, there did
[23:16] <popey> but that is long gone
[23:16] <zleap> ok
[23:16] <penguin42> zleap: How long ago - is this Ubuntu or long ago?
[23:17] <popey> it was in early releases of ubuntu
[23:17] <zleap> a few years but I am sure ubuntu ad it
[23:17] <zleap> had it
[23:17] <popey> certainly went when we went to lightdm
[23:18] <zleap> ok i will use vnc then as that is set up on the pi
[23:18] <zleap> i just figured if there was a way to remotely login graphically without having to login first it would be handy
[23:18] <zleap> so njow its login to Desktop and vnc to pi
[23:19] <penguin42> ah, so you want to vnc, now you say what you want to connect to!
[23:19] <zleap> i have vnc working
[23:20] <zleap> but if there is a way to just choose remote desktop from a login screen it would be handy as an option
[23:20] <popey> yeah, you can't do that anymore
[23:20] <zleap> so what package does that
[23:20] <zleap> given my netbook runs lubuntu
[23:21] <zleap> should be a case of installing something to get the option back
[23:21] <popey> I'm kinda lost
[23:21] <zleap> ok
[23:21] <popey> no
[23:21] <penguin42> zleap: The thing that gives you the login option is called a 'greeter'
[23:21] <popey> it was never implemented in lightdm
[23:21] <penguin42> zleap: So display manager runs greeter
[23:22] <penguin42> zleap: Whether there is a version of that still in the gtk-greeter package I don't know
[23:26] <xtian> zleap: if you ssh -X it will export your display setting to remte ssh session so on the pi (for example) you could run xclock and it will display on your local xdisplay
[23:26] <zleap> ok will look lter or just use vnc
[23:26] <penguin42> zleap: However, there is another way; create yourself a new user and in that users xsession get it to just start a vncclient
[23:26] <zleap> ok
[23:26] <zleap> i will look in to that tomorrow
[23:26] <zleap> i guess i need to figure out what to add the vncviewer to to make it autostart