[00:06] <derekv> update pushed
[00:06] <derekv> now remembers created event types as 'favorites'
[00:11] <derekv> hah, emacs : "A search is by defaut case insensitive, but if you input an upper case letter, it become case sensitive."
[00:12] <Blazeix> hey, don't knock it, i have that enabled in vim.
[00:12] <Blazeix> useful as hell
[00:15] <derekv> Blazeix: the 'hah' was because I remember talking about it at CHC (in vim)
[00:15] <derekv> I was using it without thinking about it
[00:15] <derekv> Been spending effort getting better at emacs this last week
[00:16] <derekv> finding things I wish I could pull from vi
[00:16] <derekv> or things that I want that are "vi-ish" but wouldn't be directly from vi since the context wouldnt make sense
[00:19] <derekv> i'll have to be fixing that
[00:19] <derekv> i'm going to end up with some sort of crazy crap nobody else can use
[00:22] <snap-l> UNtil Linux Game Publishing turns off their DRM I'm never buying another one of their games. Ever.
[00:29] <derekv> im feeling some rsi from mbp only having alt key on left
[00:56] <derekv> so glad I did this
[00:56] <derekv> am doing this
[01:11] <rick_h_> derekv: doing what?
[03:06] <jcastro> http://blog.makezine.com/2013/02/06/diresta-reclaimed-wood-table/
[03:06] <jcastro> rick_h_: ^^^
[04:18] <derekv> rick_h_: making a web app/platform.  doing it in a new framework. doing it in python
[05:06] <derekv> but next web app is going to be clojure or hunchentoot
[05:06] <derekv> unless somethign else comes front and center
[05:07] <derekv> frankly i'm not sure why i should reformat my data before sending it to the templating part
[05:07] <derekv> waste of my time
[05:12] <derekv> I have a pretty low tolerance for doing things I feel like a computer can do for me
[06:05] <derekv> nvm figured it all out
[12:55] <snap-l> I think I'm getting cranky in my old age.
[12:55] <snap-l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2013-February/006202.html
[13:36] <jcastro> you're cranky at every age bracket. :p
[13:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: cool on the table. There's a guy that does sheds and such from reclaimed lumber I'm hoping I can get to do our shed this summer
[13:37] <rick_h_> would be cool to have some old barn timbers as the shed
[13:39] <jcastro> yeah
[13:39] <jcastro> it just looks awesome
[13:39] <jcastro> lol I bet a table like that is like 4 grand @ pottery barn
[13:40] <rick_h_> oh come on, only $2k
[13:40] <shakes808> Good morrrow peoples
[13:40] <rick_h_> peoples are peoples
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[14:06] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I suppose. :)
[14:18] <snap-l> Hm, I'm pretty sure a mail from gmail doesn't go through Amazon EC2. What do you think?
[14:21] <jcastro> probably not
[14:22] <rick_h_> origination smtp server?
[14:22] <rick_h_> e.g. depends on who the email is from I would think
[14:22] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/addx3pJbZlswwYEfb4b7/
[14:22] <jcastro> how do I quickly center something
[14:22] <jcastro> is <center> still hip?
[14:23] <rick_h_> <div style="text-align: center"></div>
[14:23] <jcastro> ta
[14:23] <jcastro> looks like the person is relaying through postfix on ec2?
[14:23] <rick_h_> or better, in your css .center { text-align: center } with <div class=center>...
[14:23] <snap-l> jcastro: Only through meditation can we center something
[14:24] <jcastro> You can send 2,000 messages for free each day when you call Amazon SES from an Amazon EC2 instance directly or through AWS Elastic Beanstalk. Many applications are able to operate entirely within this free tier limit.
[14:24] <jcastro> oh neat, I didn't know they did free tier for sending mail
[14:25] <rick_h_> last I read you had to have uploaded a list of addresses you plan to send email to first
[14:25] <rick_h_> kind of a whitelist thing or something
[14:25] <snap-l> Yeah, this is pretty targeted
[14:25] <snap-l> Someone asking if I'm the site manager for my domain
[14:25] <jcastro> oh
[14:25] <jcastro> so spam
[14:25] <snap-l> Yeah, but persistent
[14:25] <jcastro> oh sorry, targetted commercial email
[14:25] <jcastro> spam.
[14:26] <snap-l> Same difference
[14:26] <rick_h_> or someone that just hopes to buy your domain/etc
[14:26] <snap-l> Probably some schmuck who wants me to put an infographic on my site
[14:26] <snap-l> which then turns into something else.
[14:26] <snap-l> Was just going to respond until I decided to check headers
[14:27] <snap-l> Now I have a spiffy Amazon case number, and hopefully someone will get their instance yanked.
[14:27] <jcastro> yup
[14:50] <jcastro> jrwren: where did your upstart question go?
[15:01] <rick_h_> any greader users seeing this? http://r.bmark.us/u/b2c6792893dc6f
[15:01]  * rick_h_ quivers in his boots
[15:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Mine seems normal
[15:07] <snap-l> I've abandoned greader
[15:21] <jcastro> theoldreader.com
[15:24] <snap-l> I'm using rss2email
[15:44] <dzho> > These people, self included, may be holdouts from a previous era of the web – a time when there weren’t Twitters and Flipboards and Google+’s, even, for social news reading and sharing.
[15:44] <dzho> gfoml
[15:44] <dzho> er, gtfoml
[15:45] <dzho> I'm from a previous era of the web when we didn't have RSS feeds.
[16:33] <snap-l> I think after our next reapproval (Oct. 2013) I'll need to pass the reigns of contact off to someone else.
[16:34] <_stink_> we'll all happily ignore that resignation, thanks very much
[16:34] <snap-l> Heh. :)
[16:34] <snap-l> Hey, if the pope can resign... ;)
[16:34] <_stink_> yeah
[16:34] <_stink_> i was trying really hard to think of a pope joke
[16:35] <snap-l> Much like the pope, I'd like to spend more time with my family. ;)
[16:36] <snap-l> Actually, the real reason is because I'm feeling angsty about the whole loco process
[16:38] <snap-l> and I'd rather not have my personal feelings about it affect the loco
[16:38] <_stink_> maybe we can vote to authorize a rant.
[16:38] <_stink_> by you
[16:38] <snap-l> Heh
[16:38] <rick_h_> it is time for new blood
[16:39] <snap-l> Perhaps.
[16:39] <rick_h_> I think most of us have cared beyond the ubuntu part of things. We've just turned it into our techie social club
[16:39] <snap-l> rick_h_: Definitely
[16:40]  * greg-g nods
[16:40] <greg-g> ef theoldreader, use NewsBlur instead! (www.newsblur.com)
[16:40] <snap-l> The discussion about the terminology of Sponsored vs. ??? on the loco contacts list got me thinking about it again
[16:40] <greg-g> http://greggrossmeier.newsblur.com/
[16:41] <greg-g> snap-l: I have happily not seen that, I only saw larua c's blog post on it
[16:41] <snap-l> greg-g: Well, it got me thinking about why we even have an approval process
[16:42] <greg-g> free shit
[16:42] <greg-g> mark's money
[16:42] <greg-g> fsmm
[16:42] <snap-l> because the only reasons I still even care about the team reports and reapproval are for the CDs and any odd prestige that might come from it
[16:43] <greg-g> (not "flying spaghetti monster, man")
[16:43]  * greg-g nods
[16:43] <rick_h_> they have an approval process because the locos have the oppertunity to be a vocal bit of Ubuntu community and they need to be able to disavow all connections if it's abused
[16:43] <snap-l> And if that's the only reason we're still keeping approval, perhaps it's time to let it lapse.
[16:43] <snap-l> I really don't know
[16:43] <rick_h_> I think for them locos are marketing/education/community arm
[16:43] <greg-g> they could disavow without the approval process, no loco is given more official weight than your random joe schmoe
[16:43] <rick_h_> and we're not really fitting that
[16:44] <greg-g> but yeah, arms length and all that
[16:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: agree, but for the locos that do the super stuff, it's nice to get logos, be able to talk to a space about hosting an event and having some legitimacy
[16:44] <greg-g> right, we definitely aren't doing the things that the original idea for locos thought about: running ubuntu confs, doing outreach events (I don't think our release parties count ;) )
[16:44] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, def
[16:45] <snap-l> heh
[16:45] <rick_h_> so that's why I mean that new blood with an interest in pursuing the missing might be in order
[16:45] <snap-l> Well, we do some outreach
[16:45] <rick_h_> and if there's no interest in that...well...
[16:45]  * greg-g nods
[16:46] <snap-l> I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this way.
[16:46] <_stink_> but where will my third irssi window idle???
[16:46]  * _stink_ panics
[16:46] <snap-l> We're not going anywhere
[16:47] <rick_h_> 3rd?!
[16:47] <_stink_> status, waynestatelug, ubuntu-us-mi
[16:47] <_stink_> sorry!
[16:47] <snap-l> _stink_: You should add mugorg to that list. ;)
[16:47]  * rick_h_ wonders if he can close #r any time soon
[16:47] <snap-l> and coffeehousecoders
[16:47] <_stink_> snap-l: you have seen my activity lately. :)
[16:47] <_stink_> er
[16:47] <_stink_> like for the last 3 years
[16:48]  * snap-l closed out #sourceforge, #severedfifth, and #ubuntu-community-teams
[16:48] <dzho> yeah, the decision not to try to set up a non-profit umbrella for loco orgs really took the wind out of my sails early on
[16:48] <dzho> heavy process makes sense if you have something like that, less so without it
[16:48] <snap-l> dzho: Non-profit statuses can get tricky
[16:48] <dzho> snap-l: yeah
[16:49] <snap-l> Seems any time you fiddle with tax code, shit gets real
[16:49] <dzho> well, shit is real when my ass is hauling down the highway to an event, too.
[16:49] <snap-l> heh
[16:49] <dzho> mind, I haven't done as much of the heavy lifting for -ny-us as a friend of mine.
[16:50] <rick_h_> international tax codes...
[16:50] <dzho> so some of this is about what he gets out of what he has put in, too.
[16:50] <snap-l> Oh definitely
[16:50] <dzho> Isle of Man tax codes ;-)
[16:51] <snap-l> And part of this is because I don't think the team reports are that useful, but it seems some bit of code is preventing a process change.
[16:51] <dzho> a bit of . . . code?
[16:51] <dzho> seems if ever there was a time to quote "use the source" this would be it.
[16:52] <dzho> but then again, this is "our business process software is proprietary" Canonical so who knows?
[16:52] <snap-l> Which I know is a silly thing to get upset about, but it feels like yet another process we need wade through to please folks that ultimately means nothing
[16:54] <rick_h_> woot! first text on the pebble
[16:54] <snap-l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2013-February/006168.html (thread begins here)
[16:54] <rick_h_> awesome
[16:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: It showed up?
[16:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, showed up today. Charging it up and wife just texted me
[17:00] <rick_h_> wheee with ifttt
[17:01] <snap-l> Awesome.
[17:11] <snap-l> Wish I had some mad money: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparetimegizmos/classic-pdp8-replica
[17:11] <rick_h_> hah cool
[17:13] <snap-l> I've played a little bit with an emulator, and couldn't make head or tail out of it.
[17:19] <greg-g> INBOX ZERO (work account) !!!!!
[17:20] <greg-g> now all I have is:
[17:20] <greg-g> greg@x220:~$ task list proj:cc
[17:20] <greg-g> ID Project Pri Due       Active Age Description
[17:20] <greg-g> 80 cc.end  H   2/11/2013        18h write a thank you note for mako, leave with val
[17:20] <greg-g> 81 cc.end  H   2/11/2013        18h format x220
[17:20] <greg-g> 63 cc.end  M   2/11/2013         9d clean office desk
[17:20] <greg-g> 58 cc.lrmi H   2/12/2013        10d finalize TOCCON preso with Michale Jay
[17:21] <greg-g> (sorry for the spamming, I'm excited)
[17:21] <rick_h_> lol, go greg-g go
[17:38] <snap-l> What? No contexts? :)
[17:42]  * greg-g never got the hang of contexts
[17:42] <greg-g> I mean, I'm always by my computer when I'm looking at this list....
[17:42]  * greg-g may misunderstand contexts
[17:42] <greg-g> all I know about them is what I've read from your blog, snap-l  ;)
[17:46] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh god.
[17:47] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, they're essentially collections of next actions by the area in which they can be done
[17:47] <snap-l> so just before you're going to do errands, you could either print out a list of @errands, or carry a device with them on it
[18:44] <rick_h_> lol, just got my pebble has shipped email
[18:44]  * jjesse is so jealous
[18:45] <rick_h_> can't recall the last time the email arrived after the device
[18:45] <jjesse> you have your pebble already?
[18:45] <rick_h_> fedex is faster than the internet
[18:45] <rick_h_> jjesse: https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/301004393849966596
[18:45] <jjesse> curses
[18:45] <jjesse> wonder when mine will arrive
[18:46] <rick_h_> well, don't wait for the email lol
[18:46] <rick_h_> jjesse: what day were you on?
[18:46] <jjesse> how do i confirm or figure that out?
[18:47] <rick_h_> hmm, there was a link about it at one point. You have to look at your history on kickstarted for the day you submitted your $$
[18:47] <jjesse> probably way late i pledged in april
[18:47] <rick_h_> so in kickstarter go to your 'backer history'
[18:47] <rick_h_> I did 04/13/2012
[18:47] <jjesse> 04/18/2012
[18:48] <rick_h_> yea, so going to be a bit.
[18:50] <rick_h_> there was a way to get a chart that's day by day number of pledges
[18:50] <jjesse> so maybe i will have mine in 5 days?
[18:50] <rick_h_> no, it's all about the number they can make/ship. Some days there's 3x the backers of another day
[18:50] <rick_h_> it's taken them weeks to get to me and I'm on the first full day
[18:51] <jjesse> yeah and i remember they have a delay due to chinese new year or something like that?
[18:51] <rick_h_> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android/#chart-daily
[18:51] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, I'm not organized enough to do the print/device thing. Mostly because I don't have a printer and using a device in front of Rowan is a recipe for disaster
[18:51] <rick_h_> so the top chart shows counts of day by day backers.
[18:51] <greg-g> snap-l: I mean, theoretically I would
[18:51] <greg-g> snap-l: I'm waiting with whetted lips for the taskwarrior android client
[18:52] <jjesse> so it looks like on the the 18th 5526 people pledged
[18:52] <jjesse> or something like that
[18:52] <rick_h_> jjesse: right, but the people in front of yuo get theirs first
[18:52] <jjesse> oh yeah i understand that
[18:52] <rick_h_> except they've only done black so far and starting colors one at a time
[18:52] <rick_h_> so while I was on the 14th, some people ahead of me ordered a diff color so I win
[18:53] <rick_h_> hopefully they get the kinks worked out.
[18:53] <rick_h_> still bummed ifttt isn't fully there nor a sdk. Latest sdk news was from last sept :(
[19:03] <snap-l> greg-g: I use todosh and the Android client
[19:03] <snap-l> You have to use Dropbox for it, but that's something I'm doing already.
[19:06]  * greg-g nods
[19:06]  * greg-g likes taskwarrior too much to switch right now
[19:06] <greg-g> I wrote a few stupid lame, but useful, weekly bash scripts to do simple reporting in rST
[19:06] <snap-l> Only problem I have with tw is the project names are too short
[19:07] <snap-l> I create a separate list under todosh with the tag +project to denote them as projects
[19:08] <jcastro> I am pretty much living in trello for my stuff
[19:08] <jcastro> it's just too awesome
[19:08] <rick_h_> jcastro: +1
[19:08] <snap-l> Does Trello scale?
[19:08] <jcastro> scale how?
[19:09] <rick_h_> does it scale to snap-l 10min interval scale
[19:09] <snap-l> I have 87 projects
[19:09] <jcastro> oh, I dunno, you could make 87 boards
[19:09] <jcastro> and use the search I guess
[19:09] <greg-g> blugh
[19:09] <greg-g> that sounds unfun
[19:09]  * greg-g hugs taskwarrior
[19:10] <snap-l> and each of them has contexts that can be aggregated into one spot?
[19:10] <jcastro> seriously, 87 projects, are you working on the large hadron collider or something?
[19:10] <snap-l> jcastro: No, I'm working on life. ;)
[19:10] <greg-g> the medium hadron collider
[19:10] <greg-g> or, maybe a better joke
[19:10] <greg-g> the super size me version
[19:10] <rick_h_> he needs the kitty litter trello board and the march dinner supplies board and ...
[19:10] <jcastro> "remember to eat"
[19:10] <snap-l> You laugh, but the kitty litter thing was a project
[19:11] <rick_h_> yep, laughing...
[19:11] <jcastro> man dude, recurring amazon subscription yo.
[19:11] <jcastro> I don't have to remember jack, some days toilet paper just shows up here
[19:11] <snap-l> jcastro: You haven't seen my new litter box
[19:11] <rick_h_> "what are we going to do tonight Brain?" ... "Try to complete project kitty litter this weekend"
[19:11] <snap-l> It's a thing of beauty
[19:12] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008F89SG6/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i01
[19:12] <jcastro> I just got the coolest rush shirt
[19:12] <jcastro> check the back out snap-l
[19:12] <snap-l> Nice!
[19:51] <rick_h_> http://www.zweitag.de/en/blog/ruby-on-rails-vulnerable-to-mass-assignment-and-sql-injection *sigh* this reminds me of NC dude wanting to write his application in yaml
[19:52] <brousch> Is that a new one or the same as last week?
[19:52] <rick_h_> looks like new one
[19:52] <rick_h_> in json vs yaml
[21:26] <jcastro> snap-l: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kRWwxCPyjw
[21:37] <greg-g> rick_h_: http://www.amazon.com/Reverence-Wood-Eric-Sloane/dp/0486433943 came across my feed from freecabinporn.com
[21:43] <greg-g> huh, he has a few interesting books: http://www.amazon.com/Eric-Sloane/e/B001H6S1W0/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1
[21:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Awesome.
[21:46] <jcastro> CD sold out, itunes only. :(
[21:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Had to look up the drummer. Thought it might have been Raymond Hererra
[21:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Oh well. :)
[21:46] <jcastro> I thought it was Tom Araya, lol
[21:46] <jcastro> https://twitter.com/JasonCNewsted/status/269928512733970432/photo/1
[21:47] <jcastro> sigh, even Jason has left me
[21:47] <snap-l> jcastro: How so?
[21:48] <snap-l> OK, I can't get it on Amazon?
[21:48] <jcastro> nope
[21:48] <snap-l> Someone's gonna pay
[21:48] <jcastro> itunes only. :(
[21:48] <snap-l> I hope it's only a matter of time for it to show up elsewhere
[21:49] <snap-l> otherwise, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:49] <jcastro> he's selling 8x10 signed glossies for like 4 bucks, I wanted to get that with the CD
[21:50] <snap-l> He's a damn fool if it's itunes only for digital distro
[21:50] <jcastro> I'm hoping it's just an oversight by some paid industry douche
[21:51] <snap-l> Yeah
[21:51] <jcastro> Jason wouldn't keep you from metal on purpose
[21:51] <snap-l> Though there are some musicians who think itunes = world
[21:51] <jcastro> yeah but they suck
[21:51] <jcastro> did you see what the drummer of the black keys said about beiber?
[21:52] <jcastro> it's loltastic
[21:52] <snap-l> No, I didn't.
[21:52] <jcastro> basically everyone is talking about how bieber got "snubbed" for not getting a grammy nomination this year
[21:52] <jcastro> and the drummer of the black keys was like "grammys are about music, not money"
[21:52] <jcastro> LOL
[21:52] <snap-l> Um, actually they're about people who still take Rolling Stone magazine seriously
[21:53] <snap-l> and are still pissed at Dylan for going Electric.
[21:53] <jcastro> not like the grammys are about music anyway
[21:53] <snap-l> Seriously, the Metal award was pre-televised
[21:53] <jcastro> yeah
[21:53] <snap-l> and guess who won
[21:53] <snap-l> I'll give you a hint:
[21:54] <jcastro> http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/11/patrick-carney-the-black-keys-justin-bieber-grammys/
[21:54] <jcastro> it wasn't megadeth or maiden
[21:54] <jcastro> they were nominated I saw
[21:54] <snap-l> Nominations were: Marilyn Manson, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Megadeth, Lamb of God
[21:54] <snap-l> and some metal-country crossover
[21:54] <snap-l> with a female vocalist.
[21:55] <snap-l> Winner: Not Marilyn Manson, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Megadeth, Lamb of God
[21:55] <jcastro> http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/11/patrick-carney-the-black-keys-justin-bieber-grammys/
[21:55] <jcastro> oops, wrong paste
[21:55] <jcastro> some band called Halestrom
[21:55] <snap-l> Yep.
[21:55] <snap-l> Listen to their song
[21:55] <snap-l> It's catchy
[21:55] <jcastro> wrong megadeth song got nominated
[21:56] <snap-l> Throw in a slide guitar, and you'd rock the fuck out of the country station
[21:56] <jcastro> that's like the worst one on the new album
[21:56] <snap-l> And hey, it's not like Iron Maiden released a classic album or anything
[21:56] <jcastro> it was an old song on a new live record, lame.
[21:57] <snap-l> and Anthrax released a decent foray
[21:57] <jcastro> hey this is pretty good
[21:57] <jcastro> lol, another one tom drummer, hate those guys
[21:57] <snap-l> Meh, no opinion there
[21:57] <snap-l> means he thinks he's a jazz drummer
[21:57] <jcastro> When Lars went from 4 toms to 2 is when they went downhill.
[21:58] <jcastro> there's a direct correlation between number of tomtoms and how metal you are.
[21:58] <snap-l> When Lars wasn't snorting coke off of his cymbals is when they went downhill
[21:58] <snap-l> Nothing to do with toms
[21:59] <jcastro> the zombie song on the anthrax album is better than the nominated one, but it's still good
[21:59] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Metal_Performance
[21:59] <snap-l> I'm seeing a pattern here.
[22:00] <jcastro> Spoonman
[22:00] <jcastro> yeah, that's metal. @_@
[22:01] <snap-l> Oh totally
[22:03] <snap-l> jcastro: So, how about that Halestorm.
[22:03] <jcastro> pretty good
[22:04] <snap-l> Give it another listen
[22:04] <snap-l> and this time think about country line dancing.