[05:03] <Squirm> morning Kilos 
[05:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[05:30] <magespawn> good monday all
[05:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:52] <magespawn> whats up Kilos?
[05:52] <Kilos> not much magespawn and there
[05:52] <magespawn> same old, same old
[06:30] <magespawn> it was very hot here yesterday, and looks like to day is going to another scorcher
[06:31] <Kilos> hmm... that place can cook
[06:50] <Kilos> lo ludo jrgns 
[06:50] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro 
[06:51] <superfly> morning Kilos, magespawn, Squirm
[06:51] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[06:51] <Squirm> hello jrgns magespawn superfly 
[06:52] <magespawn> hey Squirm superfly jrgns
[06:52] <superfly> aloha
[06:55] <jrgns> hello Squirm magespawn :)
[07:05] <inetpro> good morning Kilos, and others
[07:07] <deegee_1> good morning everyone
[07:07] <Kilos> yo deegee_1 
[07:08] <deegee_1> yo yo yo Kilos ... whadup bro?
[07:08] <Kilos> all good here ty. purged vbox till i get a faster pc
[07:09] <Kilos> but it worked slowly with 12.04 xp and 10.10
[07:10] <deegee_1> ok, at least you got a hand on how it works
[07:10] <Kilos> yes ty
[07:11] <deegee_1> np
[07:11] <Kilos> now working on ians pc that dont even boot to bios
[07:30] <Kilos> morning Vince-0 
[07:39] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos hoe gaan dit met jou
[07:49] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:49] <Kilos> goed dankie Vince-0 
[07:49] <Kilos> Blonde walks into a store and tells the sales person they need curtains for their computer. The sales person replies," Why would you want that?" The blonde says," Duuuuh, cause it has windows."
[07:55] <Kilos> yo staticrat 
[07:55] <staticrat> good morning everyone, hey kilos
[07:57] <staticrat> been playing with arp-scan
[07:57] <staticrat> does anyone know how to output the results in txt?
[07:58] <Kilos> what is arp-scan
[07:58] <Kilos> scanner stuff
[07:58] <staticrat> its a ip scanner 
[07:58] <Kilos> ah
[07:59] <staticrat> using sudo arp-scan ip:mask
[07:59] <staticrat> would like to save the results in a txt file
[07:59] <staticrat> Maaz, google arp-scan save to txt file
[07:59] <Maaz> staticrat: "Arp-scan help output - NTA-Wiki" http://www.nta-monitor.com/wiki/index.php/Arp-scan_help_output :: "Arp-scan User Guide - NTA-Wiki" http://www.nta-monitor.com/wiki/index.php/Arp-scan_User_Guide :: "arp-scan(1): ARP scanner - Linux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/1/arp-scan :: "Ubuntu Manpage: get-oui - Fetch the arp-scan OUI file from the IEEE ..."
[07:59] <Maaz> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/get-oui.1.html :: "Ubuntu Manpage: get-ia…
[07:59] <Vince-0> Beware of Bid-or-buy and check out the seller properly before handing over payment. My friend bought an appendage enlarger and they sent him a magnifying glass with instructions to not use in direct sunlight
[08:06] <staticrat> maaz jou results is weak
[08:06] <Maaz> staticrat: Got it
[08:06] <Kilos> how do you see the file now
[08:07] <Kilos> or isnt it saved at all
[08:07] <staticrat> lol....dont find a doc to save results directly to txt file
[08:07] <staticrat> but apparently you can copy and paste in a terminal window
[08:08] <staticrat> so copy results and paste in gedit :)
[08:08] <Kilos> ya but save to desktop as is then look for something to open it with
[08:08] <Kilos> you want to edit it?
[08:08] <magespawn> staticrat you should be able to pipe the output to a text file
[08:08] <staticrat> hi magespawn , how?
[08:09] <staticrat> it would be easier to run a command and save the results to txt for later review
[08:09] <magespawn> not too sure hold on a sec
[08:09] <staticrat> thx
[08:09] <Kilos> it will be a command to pipe it
[08:10] <Kilos> that upright thing
[08:10] <staticrat> Ok i'm still slow kilos...define "pipe it"?
[08:10] <Kilos> | thats a pipe methinks
[08:10] <Kilos> bits of command before and after
[08:11] <Kilos> the pipe sends it to where you want it
[08:11] <staticrat> oh ok
[08:12] <magespawn> like so i think "sudo arp-scan ip:mask > myfilename.txt"
[08:12] <Kilos> very clever linux is
[08:13] <staticrat> i will test quickly magespawn thx
[08:13] <magespawn> Kilos i think that pipe is for taking the results of one command and putting the into another command but i stand to be corrected on that
[08:13] <Kilos> you too clever today magespawn 
[08:13] <Kilos> yes i remember something with grep\
[08:13] <magespawn> brain is on fire 
[08:13] <magespawn> maybe because of hluhluwe temps more than anything else
[08:14] <staticrat> wicked thx magespawn that did the trick
[08:15] <staticrat> now we all know how 
[08:15] <magespawn> also i thinnk if do this "sudo arp-scan ip:mask >> myfilename.txt" it add the output to the file already there
[08:15] <staticrat> nice
[08:15] <magespawn> note the double greater/less than
[08:16] <magespawn> gotta go out later all
[08:16] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[08:29] <inetpro> magespawn: that is not a pipe
[08:29] <inetpro> that is called redirection
[08:29] <inetpro> redirecting output to a file rather than stdout 
[08:30] <inetpro> and even Windows has that
[08:37] <staticrat> uh man windows!!!
[08:38] <staticrat> so got the txt file but guess what
[08:38] <staticrat> now windows cannot read it
[08:39] <staticrat> scratch that
[08:39]  * staticrat thinks he forgetting how to use a windows pc
[08:39] <Kilos> lol
[08:39] <staticrat> wait I got another one 
[08:40] <staticrat> so do you think it is possible to save the results from arp-scan to csv?
[08:40] <staticrat> would make it easy to import into excel :)
[08:42]  * staticrat just typing his thoughts to get into the habit of documenting
[08:43] <staticrat> also asking Q then finding the results me self i.e. sudo arp-scan ip:mask > filename.csv does the same as txt
[08:43] <staticrat> so I now have my results in csv format
[08:45] <staticrat> kilos, will output results to a specified file always be saved to default dir /home?
[08:45] <staticrat> when using terminal?
[08:45] <Kilos> normally unless you tell it otherwise
[08:46] <Kilos> but easy to find in home
[08:47] <staticrat> cool
[08:52] <staticrat> I have to say I am really starting to like working with ubuntu
[08:52] <Kilos> thats good
[08:53] <staticrat> and that lpi manual help allot
[08:54] <Kilos> yeah lotsa info there
[08:54] <Kilos> too much for me
[08:56] <staticrat> lol
[08:57] <staticrat> at least I found a place where I can ask Q when I get stuck..../me thanks everyone here
[08:57] <Kilos> thats why we are here. all ubuntu help is gladly give
[08:58] <Kilos> given too
[10:43] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:43] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:43] <charl_> Kilos: which desktop environment are you using right now? i've heard of more people moving to cinnamon
[10:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:52] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:52] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[10:52] <Kilos> im using unity and kde charl_ 
[10:52] <Kilos> they are too scared to accept the challenge
[10:53] <Kilos> both are actually lekker once you get used to them
[10:54] <staticrat> ok so I am still on arp-scan ..... I see that it does not display every connected device to my network when running the following command:
[10:54] <staticrat> arp-scan ip:mask or arp-scan --interface=eth0 192.168.1.0/24
[10:55] <staticrat> my dhcp is set to provide IP's from .100-254 but arp-scan only picks up 25 pc's on the network
[10:55] <staticrat> there about 40 missing
[10:56] <Kilos> ouch
[10:56] <staticrat> yip weird, angry IP scanner collects all data I am looking for
[10:57] <staticrat> this is just for learning exercise to use arp-scan
[10:57] <Kilos> are those other 40 switched on or they loafing
[10:57] <staticrat> lol they on at most there should be 5 devices not showing 
[10:58] <Kilos> not the firewalls blocking you?
[10:59] <Kilos> you on sucks hey
[11:00] <Kilos> try with ubuntu
[11:00] <Kilos> http://taufanlubis.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/ip-and-port-scanning-using-nmap-network-mapper-in-ubuntu/
[11:01] <staticrat> should not be since the firewall also gets listed on the results and I am scanning from behind the fwl
[11:01] <staticrat> I am scanning from ubuntu
[11:01] <staticrat> will check out nmap
[11:21] <staticrat> Kilos, ty this nmap works a bit better for me 
[11:21] <staticrat> now to play with the various commands
[11:21]  * staticrat puts on his thinking cap
[11:21] <Kilos> np. one needs to look through whats available and choose the one you find easiest
[11:22] <Kilos> dont forget man pages hey
[11:22] <staticrat> oh ya I forgot about that....lol
[11:22] <Kilos> or maybe there is even a user guide one can download
[11:23] <Kilos> inetpro, wen jy?
[11:23] <inetpro> Kilos: met wat?
[11:23] <Kilos> met wat jy doen man
[11:23] <Kilos> soek jy weer my epos addy
[11:24] <Kilos> i cant ask if youre winning the comrades if you are running the 2 oceans
[11:24] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[11:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not in a race here
[11:25] <Kilos> haha
[11:25] <Kilos> ya ya
[11:25] <Kilos> winning=accomplishing what you set out to do
[11:26] <Kilos> regardless of what it might be
[11:26] <inetpro> Kilos: oh that, I won that race long ago
[11:26] <Kilos> hehe twit
[11:28] <Kilos> wow satan was too much for him even
[11:28] <Kilos> oops
[11:29] <Kilos> these popups one can read mess your head sometimes
[11:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ai, you talking about the pope resigning?
[11:30] <Kilos> ya
[11:30] <inetpro> wrong channel to talk about religion and politics
[11:30] <Kilos> yip i said oops
[11:30] <inetpro> lol
[11:58] <staticrat> quit
[13:59] <inetpro> if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
[13:59] <inetpro> baie warm in Pretoria
[13:59] <Kilos> hehe
[13:59] <inetpro> maybe I should move some place else
[14:00] <Kilos> clouds seemj to be building up to the south
[14:01] <Kilos> all over actually
[14:01] <Kilos> do your rain dance quick before they blow away
[14:37]  * Squirm pops in
[14:52] <magespawn> afternoon all
[14:53] <magespawn> Maaz tell staticrat backtrack 5 r3 http://www.backtrack-linux.org/backtrack/backtrack-5-r3-released/
[14:53] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure, I'll tell staticrat on freenode
[14:57] <kbmonkey> greets
[14:58] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[14:58] <Kilos> storm hier inetpro 
[14:58] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[15:00] <kbmonkey> good to hear you getting some rain, Kilos 
[15:00] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah but 2 drops so far. lets hope there are buckets more
[15:01] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[15:01] <kbmonkey> its going to come down here soon
[15:02] <Kilos> and the pro will get wet on his bicycle
[15:03] <Kilos> strong wind though, maybe it will blow past
[15:03]  * Kilos cries
[15:03] <Kilos> hows you kbmonkey 
[15:03] <Kilos> ?
[15:03] <kbmonkey> fine lad, and yourself?
[15:03] <Kilos> goodish ty
[15:03] <kbmonkey> i am looking at that sakis3g you told me about long ago
[15:04] <Kilos> it works when nothing else does
[15:04] <kbmonkey> i hope so :]
[15:04] <Kilos> Trixar_za, is involved in it if im not mistaken
[15:05] <Kilos> my prob was getting online to download the script
[15:05] <Kilos> had to use cell as modem
[15:05] <Trixar_za> Well, I altered it a bit and added 8ta to it
[15:06] <Kilos> good man Trixar_za 
[15:06] <Kilos> works fine here when i battle
[15:06] <Trixar_za> http://brenton.nom.za/sakis3g.gz if memory serves
[15:07] <Trixar_za> and I'm using my nom.za domain because I lose it if I don't use it enough
[15:07] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:07] <kbmonkey> ah thanks Trixar_za, since i am on 8ta. I found it on a sourceforge page
[15:07] <kbmonkey> okay i need to swap my sim out the phone into the dongle. brb.
[15:11] <Squirm> Kilos: big storm here
[15:11] <Kilos> here too Squirm and even raining
[15:11] <Squirm> it hailed
[15:11] <Squirm> lots of lightning
[15:11] <Squirm> now just pretty heavy rain
[15:11] <Kilos> hailed is solid nitrogen
[15:12] <Kilos> good for plants that arent crushed
[15:12] <Kilos> s/hailed/hail
[15:13] <magespawn> later all home time now
[15:15] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[15:16] <Squirm> well the lightning certainly hasn't gone
[15:16] <Squirm> bye magespawn 
[15:21] <superfly> hahaha 
[15:21] <superfly> "good for the plants that aren't crushed"
[15:22] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[15:22] <kbmonkey> it works, thanks Kilos and Trixar_za !
[15:22] <Trixar_za> Nice
[15:22] <kbmonkey> question: what device does it map to?
[15:22] <Kilos> it is good hey only you cant see the signal in nm
[15:22] <Trixar_za> You may want to configure a sakis3g.conf file to automate some of the process :P
[15:23] <kbmonkey> great, I'll edit the .conf
[15:23] <Kilos> didnt you tick add optional
[15:23] <Kilos> then you see it works on the modem
[15:23] <kbmonkey> I did not see that optional setting Kilos 
[15:24] <Kilos> right in the beginning
[15:24] <Kilos> you can um
[15:24] <kbmonkey> ah, its ttyHS3
[15:24] <Kilos> switch modem and more
[15:24] <kbmonkey> funny how wvdial did not detect it
[15:24] <Kilos> lol what OS you using that dont see modem
[15:25] <Kilos> my 12.04 was like that but got it figured now
[15:25] <Trixar_za> It needs to be in /etc - It's one of it's weird things
[15:25] <Kilos> even gppp didnt work
[15:25] <kbmonkey> I think that it is kernel related Kilos 
[15:25] <Kilos> ah
[15:26] <Trixar_za> Oh great, it's site is down
[15:26] <Trixar_za> lol
[15:26] <kbmonkey> yes, I found it on a sourceforge page instead
[15:26] <kbmonkey> via the raspberrypi forums
[15:26] <Kilos> found day before yesterday that installing os , rebooting then only plugin in the modem works
[15:27] <Kilos> i actually left you a message Trixar_za , few days ago. had to use cell and sakis was down
[15:28] <kbmonkey> now to try add it to my vnstat so I can track my data usage...
[15:28] <kbmonkey> cos thats why I use the phone, to see my data diminish 
[15:30] <Trixar_za> Just track ppp0
[15:30] <kbmonkey> alright, it looks like ppp0 is it. thanks everyone!
[15:30] <Trixar_za> should work fine with vnstat
[15:30] <Trixar_za> I use vnstat myself :P
[15:31] <kbmonkey> love it
[15:31] <kbmonkey> now I don't need to install network manager. yipee
[15:32] <Trixar_za> http://snipurl.com/sakis3g
[15:32] <Trixar_za> should give you a rough idea
[15:33] <Trixar_za> that goes in the /etc/sakis3g.conf file
[15:33] <Trixar_za> :p
[15:33] <Trixar_za> sakis3g does have it's own man file built in
[15:33] <Trixar_za> but it's a pain to work through
[15:34] <kbmonkey> I'll use that Trixar_za 
[15:35] <Kilos> kbmonkey, dont forget meet on the 18th
[15:35] <Trixar_za> Those are the only three I need to be able to use the command sakis3g connect
[15:36] <Trixar_za> Which automatically connects without asking questions (except to become root)
[15:36] <Trixar_za> running sudo ./sakis3g connect fixes that root issue
[15:36] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:37] <Kilos> wow and you tell us now. i been going the hard way everytime
[15:37] <Kilos> and now you tell when nm is working kiff
[15:37] <kbmonkey> one could put the sakis3g script in /usr/bin or /opt/, and add a visudo line so user can run it as root without a password prompt
[15:37] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[15:37] <Trixar_za> Which I have done :P
[15:37] <kbmonkey> :)
[15:38] <Trixar_za> Actually, there is sakis3g connect, sakis3g disconnect
[15:38] <Trixar_za> and sakis3g toggle
[15:38] <Trixar_za> which does either of the two depending on if you're connected or not
[15:39] <Trixar_za> start and stop works too
[15:39] <Trixar_za> see sakis3g --help for the complete list
[15:39] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:39] <Kilos> actually its a great little tool
[15:40] <Trixar_za> It's a shame about it's creator not caring about it anymore
[15:40] <Trixar_za> First the forums for it died and now the site
[15:40] <Trixar_za> But it is approaching 3 years of being out of date
[15:40] <Trixar_za> Even my mod is only keeping back some of the tide against it
[15:40] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:41] <Kilos> doesnt matter if it works and is online
[15:41] <Trixar_za> Mind you, mine has a more up to date device database
[15:41] <kbmonkey> well it seems like the arch people still use it
[15:41] <Trixar_za> They would
[15:41] <Trixar_za> But the options for 3G are growing
[15:42] <Kilos> been offline for a week or more
[15:42] <Trixar_za> connman is another alternative
[15:42] <Kilos> yeah even 4g now whatever that is
[15:42] <Trixar_za> to network manager that is
[15:42] <Kilos> ah thanks thats good to know too
[15:43] <kbmonkey> yes that is good to know
[15:43] <kbmonkey> since I don't use tray icons, I opt for apps that don't rely on that
[15:43] <Kilos> i musta done about 20 installs in total with 12.04 and kde before i got them working
[15:44] <kbmonkey> you are still on 12.04 Kilos?
[15:44] <kbmonkey> because I copied all the 12.04 repos from william this weekend. 
[15:44] <kbmonkey> I thought it be nice to get those to you, somehow
[15:44] <kbmonkey> about 100GB
[15:44] <Kilos> yes kbmonkey tried 12.10 and didnt fancy it much with the fading windows and stuff
[15:44] <Kilos> wow
[15:45] <Kilos> do they do postage COD
[15:45] <Kilos> there was that game too
[15:45] <Kilos> and another thing
[15:46] <Kilos> oh ya your os
[15:46] <kbmonkey> on sapo? hmm, I feel a carrier pidgeon with a usb stick will be safer. he he
[15:46] <Kilos> if they accept the postage being paid here then you can post them to me please
[15:46] <Kilos> hehe
[15:46] <kbmonkey> I just need to find media to put it on
[15:47] <Kilos> 100g is lots
[15:47] <kbmonkey> yup
[15:47] <kbmonkey> someone asked why the locos nearer to you don't help you copy the repos
[15:48] <kbmonkey> I do not know if you asked them though
[15:48] <Kilos> there is so much in repos one never uses but how to decide what to remove is a job
[15:49] <Kilos> inetpro, klaar meer as 10mm
[15:49] <Kilos> het jy nat gekry
[15:51] <kbmonkey> going offline to setup saki to be easier...
[15:56] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:00] <inetpro> Kilos: ek's droog by die huis dankie
[16:01] <inetpro> en nog niks hier nie
[16:01] <Kilos> mooi
[16:01] <Kilos> ai!
[16:17] <kbmonkey> so, I stopped it from prompting for the apn username by setting it to blank in the conf. 
[16:18] <kbmonkey> I realize now I must make dinner and do some chores, so I can't play anymore right now
[16:18] <Kilos> hehe
[16:20] <Kilos> if you look at the gui version it tells you type in APN_user and APN_ something else too
[16:20] <Kilos> password maybe
[16:20] <kbmonkey> I set those in the .conf file, so now it doesn't ask anymore
[16:21] <Kilos> clever fella
[16:21] <kbmonkey> they are blank for 8ta. I checked on their site
[16:23] <kbmonkey> now for the chores. I'll try get back on later, but have some documents to read and lectures to watch.
[16:23] <kbmonkey> monkeys work never done
[16:25] <Kilos> np
[16:32] <Kilos> inetpro, 20mm en klaar nou lyk my
[16:44] <magespawn> evening all
[16:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:48] <magespawn> looks like apple locking down sandboxing http://www.zdnet.com/apples-new-wave-anti-malware-patent-takes-a-leaf-out-of-qubes-book-7000011118/
[16:50] <magespawn> you guys have been chatty ne?
[16:50] <Kilos> yeah
[16:52] <Kilos> im trying to make a bootable usb with bios upgrade for ians pc whew
[16:54] <magespawn> can you do that with linux?
[16:54] <Kilos> found this
[16:54] <Kilos> http://0sumgain.blogspot.com/2009/11/updating-motherboard-bios-from-ubuntu.html
[16:55] <Kilos> too much work to try find a working floppy and then fit it there
[16:55] <Kilos> thing wont even boot to bios most of the time
[16:55] <Kilos> im sure it has a virus in
[16:56] <Kilos> good battery and it starts booting the os then reboots and goes back to bios settings with error messages and all settings gone
[16:57] <Kilos> hopefully its not the bios chip that packed up
[17:01] <magespawn> well flashing the bios should clear it, if it does
[17:14] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[17:14] <nuvolari> lo magespawn 
[17:14] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[17:14] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[17:19] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:20] <Kilos> yeah hope so mage. it was quite a fast pc even with 500m ram
[17:20] <Kilos> 512. now 1.5g
[17:20] <Kilos> one of them core2 things 2.6g
[17:21] <magespawn> i wonder if it is possible to replace those chips
[17:21] <Kilos> na too many tiny pins
[17:22] <Kilos> solder will run and fuse them
[17:24] <Kilos> i dont even know which is the bios chip
[17:24] <magespawn> on much older boards those chips were replaceable
[17:25] <Kilos> yeah i had some for 486 pcs
[17:25] <magespawn> usually has something to the effect written on top.
[17:25] <Kilos> they were pluggable
[17:25] <Kilos> oh i look and see
[17:26] <Kilos> here is the mboard http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=827&MenuID=16&LanID=0
[17:26] <Kilos> worth trying to fix i think
[17:26] <Kilos> and keeps me outa trouble with superfly 
[17:27] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:29] <Kilos> we hotter than you tomorrow magespawn 34/30°c
[17:31] <Kilos> im a bit scared though. if you dont get the bios upgrade right you throw the mboard away
[18:14]  * Squirm can't stand
[18:14] <Squirm> legs feel like jelly
[18:17] <Kilos> what you been doing?
[18:58] <Squirm> :(
[18:58] <Squirm> 36:52 for the mile
[18:58] <Squirm> I'm sad now
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <magespawn> hah Kilos i'll give real day time dates
[19:00] <Squirm> and I've been playing squash
[19:00] <Squirm> night
[19:00] <magespawn> up dates
[19:01] <Kilos> ?mage
[19:01] <Kilos> ? magespawn 
[19:01] <magespawn> real time temp updates on the ground
[19:01] <Kilos> what you talking about
[19:01] <Kilos> oh
[19:01] <Kilos> haha
[19:01] <Kilos> ok see ya morrow
[19:02] <magespawn> mi4 ghost protocol = worlds longest apple advert
[20:29] <magespawn> good night all