| === wedgwood is now known as wedgwood_away | ||
| thumper | davecheney: are you available for a hangout later? | 00:44 |
|---|---|---|
| davecheney | thumper: i certainly am | 00:46 |
| davecheney | you are 2 ? 3 ? hours ahead of me ? | 00:47 |
| === thumper is now known as thumper-afk | ||
| === jam1 is now known as jam | ||
| davecheney | thumper: if you're still around, are you free to chat ? | 04:43 |
| thumper | davecheney: hey | 04:43 |
| thumper | davecheney: let me just check on the family... | 04:43 |
| davecheney | if you want, we can try agian tomorrow | 04:43 |
| davecheney | maybe it would make more sense after le' meeting | 04:43 |
| davecheney | probably a better time for your anyway | 04:44 |
| thumper | davecheney: let me just check on the family...\ | 04:46 |
| thumper | ugh | 04:47 |
| thumper | stupid up arrow | 04:47 |
| niemeyer | davecheney: yo | 04:54 |
| niemeyer | What's up folks | 04:54 |
| niemeyer | thumper: Heya, welcome to juju | 04:54 |
| thumper | hi niemeyer | 04:55 |
| thumper | thanks | 04:55 |
| thumper | niemeyer: I have been thinking serioursly about it now since we kinda chatted in miami about it | 04:55 |
| thumper | then it was more of a joke | 04:55 |
| thumper | happy to be on board now | 04:55 |
| * thumper needs to go and make dinner | 04:56 | |
| thumper | niemeyer: isn't it late for you? | 04:56 |
| niemeyer | thumper: Yeah, I figured by then, but when we talked recently I got the impression you were actually jumping in | 04:56 |
| niemeyer | thumper: Depends on the point of view | 04:56 |
| niemeyer | thumper: It's about to be early too :) | 04:56 |
| thumper | :) | 04:56 |
| thumper | I suppose it matters if you have slept yet or not | 04:56 |
| thumper | niemeyer: I was going to just rotate in for a short while | 04:57 |
| thumper | but in the end, it became more of a dive | 04:57 |
| thumper | longer term | 04:57 |
| niemeyer | thumper: Very happy to hear that | 04:57 |
| thumper | it'll be fun | 04:57 |
| thumper | I've been keeping a file of questions :) | 04:57 |
| thumper | it is getting quite long now | 04:57 |
| thumper | some I have found out myself by reading more | 04:57 |
| thumper | others are still open | 04:58 |
| thumper | but I have some calls scheduled with jcastro and davecheney now | 04:58 |
| niemeyer | thumper: It's a brilliant team to be part of, and it's even better with you in | 04:58 |
| thumper | thanks for that :-) | 04:58 |
| thumper | I'm love working with smart people | 04:58 |
| thumper | makes for interesting times | 04:59 |
| thumper | s/I'm/I/ | 04:59 |
| * thumper steps away from the keyboard to go make dinner | 04:59 | |
| === thumper is now known as thumper-cooking | ||
| rogpeppe | morning all! | 07:46 |
| TheMue | morning rogpeppe | 07:46 |
| dimitern | morning! | 07:49 |
| * TheMue just listens to The Dark Side of the Moon, 40 years of great music ... | 07:49 | |
| dimitern | ready for an early meeting? ;) | 07:50 |
| dimitern | TheMue: +1, yeah, oldies-goldies | 07:50 |
| TheMue | dimitern: Early? What shall Mark say? :D | 07:50 |
| dimitern | :) | 07:51 |
| dimitern | it's actually late there | 07:51 |
| dimitern | too late to be early | 07:51 |
| TheMue | dimitern: Hehe, indeed also a way to handle it. | 07:52 |
| davecheney | morning | 07:52 |
| dimitern | davecheney: evening :) | 07:53 |
| davecheney | touche | 07:53 |
| TheMue | davecheney: hiya | 07:55 |
| === thumper-cooking is now known as thumper | ||
| thumper | hmm... | 07:56 |
| thumper | I hope this doesn't get too confusing | 07:56 |
| thumper | in another channel there is TheMuso | 07:56 |
| TheMue | thumper: Never had any conflicts. | 07:59 |
| TheMue | thumper: In 1997 mue has been enough, but later often other people claimed it. | 08:00 |
| jam | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3054ca9e05632bb677f4a136cc956486d9aac90f | 08:03 |
| jam | for anyone not here yet | 08:03 |
| mgz | ta | 08:04 |
| rogpeppe | TheMue: ^ | 08:04 |
| jam | mgz: w7z: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3054ca9e05632bb677f4a136cc956486d9aac90f | 08:04 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: ^ | 08:04 |
| davecheney | hold up, installing pluginz | 08:04 |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: ah, thx, link in calendar doesn't work | 08:06 |
| davecheney | and the hangout plugin segfualted | 08:14 |
| rogpeppe | joy... | 08:14 |
| davecheney | hmm, can't talk to any google properties at the moment | 08:14 |
| davecheney | anyone else dropped off ? | 08:14 |
| thumper | davecheney: haha | 08:14 |
| thumper | davecheney: no, just you | 08:15 |
| rogpeppe | nope, sorry | 08:15 |
| davecheney | nope, no route to google properties at the moment | 08:15 |
| rogpeppe | mark's talking about making a kanban board for the command line stuff | 08:16 |
| davecheney | +1 | 08:16 |
| rogpeppe | 'cos there's a big scrum on that | 08:16 |
| davecheney | any it's still in the design phase, as I understand it | 08:16 |
| rogpeppe | "if we get more need for coordination, we can try having a scrum-of-scrums meeting" | 08:17 |
| rogpeppe | davecheney: is it working for you now? | 08:19 |
| rogpeppe | davecheney: apparently not :-) | 08:20 |
| davechen1y | got a few mins | 08:20 |
| davechen1y | then dropped out again | 08:20 |
| davechen1y | mark was very choppy | 08:20 |
| davechen1y | all my google services have eaten a goose egg | 08:23 |
| davechen1y | gmail is slow | 08:23 |
| davechen1y | can't get to plus anymore | 08:24 |
| rogpeppe | we're talking about the floating ip problem | 08:25 |
| davechen1y | please take notes | 08:26 |
| rogpeppe | essentially: floating ips are in limited supply and we need some way to work around that | 08:29 |
| Pavel_ | Is there any kind of framework for writing new Charms? At least with ability to handle templates? | 08:34 |
| Pavel_ | It could be great to have some kind of dsl for common cases. Something like Chef have. | 08:35 |
| Pavel_ | Another thing I thought about is custom events, not only joined, changed, broken and departed but any user defined. For now this can be done via relation_ids and relation_set but it seems like workaround for the case. | 08:52 |
| Pavel_ | Do you have such thing in your plans? | 08:52 |
| jam | mgz: do you remember the rt # + | 08:56 |
| jam | ? | 08:56 |
| mramm | thanks everybody for a productive meeting | 09:23 |
| rogpeppe | Pavel_: a framework for writing charms is a reasonable idea. i think various people have python helper scripts, which could be a start. lots of places to explore here. | 10:44 |
| TheMue | so, lunchtime, biab | 12:36 |
| === wedgwood_away is now known as wedgwood | ||
| rogpeppe | interesting, live tests against the "enable password checking" branch fail because the tests try to access an api.Machine, which is denied by our policy rules. | 15:49 |
| === wedgwood is now known as wedgwood_away | ||
| jcastro | rogpeppe: did you guys know there's a discussion on juju/go on reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/18atce/juju_canonical_109k_lines_of_go_code/ | 16:00 |
| rogpeppe | jcastro: nope, hadn't seen that, ta! | 16:01 |
| jcastro | tell the team, the discussion looks interesting enough for you guys to participate in | 16:01 |
| teknico | is the 32-bit 2.2.3 MongoDb version on the website good for using with Juju? | 16:05 |
| teknico | everything on http://juju-dist.s3.amazonaws.com/ is 64-bit | 16:05 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: i had to make a slightly more extensive change than i'd expected in response to the live test failure - i implemented the Client type and a skeleton Status method so that live tests could talk to it. would appreciate if you could have another look: https://codereview.appspot.com/7299066 | 16:49 |
| * fwereade_ looks | 16:49 | |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, LGTM if you write a bug for Client.Status, I don't imagine that's going to be a priority for a couple of days so it's good to have it tracked | 16:52 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, (just that it's very unfinished) | 16:52 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: ok, i'll make a ticket | 16:53 |
| === wedgwood_away is now known as wedgwood | ||
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: done | 16:53 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: there are a couple of unresolved comments i responded to too. https://codereview.appspot.com/7299066/diff/3007/state/api/apiserver.go#newcode117 and https://codereview.appspot.com/7299066/diff/3007/state/api/client.go#newcode31 in particular | 16:56 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, sorry, missed those; thanks; responded | 16:59 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: thanks | 16:59 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: i've just seen a slightly concerning live test failure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1639959/ | 17:07 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: the jujutest code looks plausible, but it seems the unit hasn't gone properly. is it doing something wrong? | 17:07 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: (that was in my branch, which i don't *think* would impact that behaviour, but am testing in trunk now) | 17:08 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, heh, that's that totally crackful bit | 17:09 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: ah, i wondered if that was the case | 17:09 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, niemeyer's comment is a bit out of date but correct in intent | 17:09 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: how *should* it remove the unit so it can remove the machine? | 17:09 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: the kitchen sink comment? | 17:09 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: ah no, i see | 17:10 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, I think it should be: (1) destroy unit, wait removed (2) destroy machine, wait removed | 17:10 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, I can see that that is maybe inconvenient for you though | 17:10 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, and, hmm, I think there's a bug pointing out that the provisioner doesn't actually remove dead machines | 17:11 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: hmm, there should be convenience methods in juju.Conn to remove units and machines, presumably? | 17:11 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, huh, can't see it obviously, I'm sure I saw it yesterday | 17:12 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, yeah, there's DestroyUnits and DestroyMachines IIRC | 17:12 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: presumably it *did* work, otherwise that test would never have passed | 17:12 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, yeah, but it's also total nonsense -- it tells us nothing about whether anything is working as expected and if anything just causes trouble by doing things that deployed code is expecting to do itself | 17:13 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: really? it seems to verify that something is responding to machine removals by stopping instances, doesn't it? | 17:13 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, yeah, must have been seeing things, provisioner looks like it should work | 17:14 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: should we just lose that part of the test and assume that the deployer is adequately tested? or perhaps you've got a better way of testing that things are working live? | 17:14 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, I tend to test live stuff by hand, I have more opportunities to do surprising things and see what happens ;) | 17:15 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: i do too, but i think it's important to have some automated tests too | 17:16 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, I'd really prefer it if we did have that part of the test doing something sane | 17:16 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, it's not exactly an edge case, seems perverse to leave it out | 17:17 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: so it would be ok to do the above dance (destroy unit, wait destroyed, destroy machine, wait destroyed) ? | 17:17 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, I think it should be, yes | 17:17 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, that's the expected interaction | 17:17 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: ok, i'll add a TODO ticket for that. | 17:17 |
| fwereade_ | rogpeppe, ok, cool | 17:17 |
| fwereade_ | need to go to the shops; might not get back to work tonight | 17:18 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: i'm going soon too | 17:18 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade_: see ya tomorrow, probs | 17:18 |
| TheMue | Yeah! Putting files works fine too. Will only extend it to a table driven test tomorrow. | 17:39 |
| rogpeppe | yay, all the outstanding api branches now submitted! | 17:50 |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: grats | 18:01 |
| rogpeppe | good place to stop. g'night all. | 18:14 |
| === arosales1 is now known as arosales | ||
| thumper | hi jcastro | 20:18 |
| jcastro | thumper: fire up a G+ | 20:19 |
| thumper | kk | 20:19 |
| thumper | jcastro: created | 20:20 |
| thumper | jcastro: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html | 20:43 |
| davecheney | thumper: any time you're ready | 22:06 |
| thumper | hi davecheney | 22:06 |
| thumper | I'm in the middle of writing an email about constraints, but I have a feeling it will be a while, so lets chat now :) | 22:07 |
| davecheney | nah, it can wait | 22:07 |
| davecheney | you're documenting stuff | 22:07 |
| davecheney | that trumps everything | 22:07 |
| thumper | ok, after lunch then :) | 22:07 |
| davecheney | kk | 22:07 |
| thumper | although not so much documenting stuff, but arguing :) | 22:08 |
| thumper | and trying to get a better understanding | 22:08 |
| thumper | I'm already getting plans and ideas | 22:08 |
| thumper | I just hope that then end up sounding rational and useful | 22:08 |
| davecheney | if you could see your way clear to cc'ing juju-dev, that would be awesome | 22:09 |
| davecheney | too much silo'ing atm | 22:09 |
| thumper | who's on juju-dev mailing list? | 22:09 |
| thumper | it seems that only the admin can see the subscriber list | 22:10 |
| davecheney | thumper: well, it is all of us devs | 22:11 |
| davecheney | it is public | 22:11 |
| davecheney | gustavo or william is probably the admin | 22:11 |
| thumper | davecheney: my only concern about taking it public is that the chat started private, and I'm always careful about dragging conversations public without letting the others know first | 22:11 |
| thumper | however I'll do more of a scan | 22:11 |
| thumper | and remove anything that could be construed weird | 22:12 |
| davecheney | thumper: understood, see previous head shaking about silo'ing | 22:12 |
| thumper | mramm: got any objections to me taking the constraints email public? | 22:12 |
| thumper | davecheney: it was partly for my benefit as I'm still grappling with many concepts | 22:12 |
| davecheney | thumper: understood that email is a poor documentation medium, but it is better than what we have at the moment | 22:12 |
| fwereade_ | thumper, fwiw I'm happy to have the discussion in public | 22:34 |
| thumper | fwereade_: awesome, I've cut out most of the initial email and your reply, just leaving relevant bits | 22:35 |
| thumper | just finishing off the reply now | 22:35 |
| fwereade_ | thumper, cool, cheers | 22:35 |
| * thumper heads out for an early lunch | 22:42 | |
| thumper | davecheney: I'll ping you when I'm back | 22:42 |
| fwereade_ | thumper, I'm not sure I'll answer that tonight; when you return you might find that some of it has been covered in the recent thread starting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju-dev/2013-February/000479.html | 22:45 |
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