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ryanakcaCould someone with sufficient powers please schedule frescobaldi to be rebuilt? See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frescobaldi/+bug/110374600:26
ubottuError: ubuntu bug 1103746 not found00:26
yofellooks like python-poppler-qt4 needs a rebuild there. Needs MOTU permissions though00:27
ryanakcaSorry, my bad, python-poppler-qt4, yes :)00:28
BarkingFishthat's weird.  I click that link and get told the page isn't found.00:28
yofelBarkingFish: insufissient permissions ;)00:29
yofeler00:29
BarkingFishshouldn't it tell me that then, instead of 404ing me? :(00:29
yofeltoo tired to type insufficent -.-00:29
ryanakcaSee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-poppler-qt4/+bug/110374600:30
ubottuError: ubuntu bug 1103746 not found00:30
yofelBarkingFish: the 404 instead of 403 is a "security feature"00:30
BarkingFisheven ubottu can't see it :)00:30
yofelif you're not allowed to see it you're not allowed to know that it exists either00:30
BarkingFishI ain't allowed to see area 51! I know it's there though :P00:30
yofelyou can see it now00:31
yofelnothing private on that bug anyway00:31
yofelbug 110374600:32
ubottubug 1103746 in frescobaldi (Ubuntu) "frescobaldi crashed with RuntimeError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/frescobaldi_app/musicview/documents.py: the sip module implements API v9.0 to v9.1 but the popplerqt4 module requires API v8.1" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110374600:32
yofelthat this didn't get noticed is a packaging issue though. As it should eventually depend on sip-api-8.100:34
yofelsip is a general source of pain -.-00:34
ryanakcayofel: I'll fix it on the Debian side whenever I make another upload00:35
ryanakcaI didn't know of the existence of sip-api-XXX until recently :)00:35
yofelI *think* it needs ${sip:Depends} and run dh_sip in rules00:35
yofelScottK knows more00:35
BarkingFishOh well that was fun :) I just went to file a bug with ubuntu-bug, concerning kde-workspace in raring, and lo, the thing I'm using to report the crash in kde-workspace, has crashed...00:40
BarkingFishI smell irony :P00:40
yofel*sigh*, apport-kde crashing isn't really unusual00:40
yofelnobody bothers debugging it after all00:40
BarkingFishif nobody is looking after it, i'm inclined to suggest sending it the same way as I proposed kino to go :)00:41
BarkingFisha python error too :o  python3: ../../src/xcb_io.c:528: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed.00:42
yofelBarkingFish: in any case, workaround is to use apport-cli00:47
yofeltha works prefectly fine (well, it should)00:47
BarkingFishexcellent, thanks :)00:48
BarkingFishexcellent, that got filed. Thanks for the help yofel :)   00:57
BarkingFishBug #112258100:58
ubottuError: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1122581 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1122581). The error has been logged00:58
BarkingFish0.000:58
yofelBarkingFish: hm, what happens on 4.10?01:07
yofel+ we need some kind of backtrace01:08
BarkingFishyofel, i've not tried it yet, because of this lockout bug still hanging around unattended 01:08
BarkingFishi wouldn't know how to get a backtrace from it to be honest.  Since kwin/kde-workspace is already running when i login, how would i obtain one?01:09
yofeldoesn't drkonqi pop up when it crashed o.O?01:09
BarkingFishno01:10
yofel...01:10
BarkingFishit's literally down, gone, straight back up and running01:10
BarkingFishcould I do something like maybe attach gdb to the process?01:10
genii-aroundActually I had this 2-3 times01:10
yofelanyway, it's 2AM and I should be sleeping since a while ago01:11
yofelgood night01:11
BarkingFishgood night :)01:11
BarkingFishyou've seen it too, genii-around?  are you on raring, by any chance?01:11
genii-aroundBarkingFish: Yes, 13.04 + 4.1001:12
genii-aroundI just figured it was hiccups01:12
BarkingFishnah, i've got this on 4.9.98, and i don't want to move to 4.10 yet01:12
BarkingFishare you able to get into kde and login ok without plasma locking you out>01:13
BarkingFish?01:13
genii-aroundBarkingFish: Yup. Just that sometimes immediately on desktop coming up, plasma crashes then restarts itself01:14
genii-aroundIntermittent though, seems pretty random. I'm always coming up to the same manually saved session.01:15
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1122581] kwin crashes when attempting to change color scheme, theme, icons from systemsettings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1122581 (by Thorsteinn A. Malmjursson)01:15
smartboyhwGood afternoon (12:04 PM here) guys04:04
ScottKryanakca: yofel_ is correct.  Look at python-qt4 for an example.05:09
smartboyhwGee now we would be the only ones who are having an Alpha 205:55
smartboyhwINTERESTING05:56
smartboyhwRiddell, I thought cantata is uploaded but this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cantata07:04
sick_rimmitGood moning all.08:13
sick_rimmit /join #gtk08:27
sick_rimmitDoh! 08:27
shadeslayersmartboyhw: stuck in new ?08:41
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shadeslayeranyone doing plasmate?09:24
soeewhat is plasmate ?09:24
shadeslayerI have time now that I've filled out paperwork stuff09:24
shadeslayerhttp://terietor.gr/2013/02/08/plasmate-1-0-beta1-is-out/09:24
shadeslayernotes.kde.org says no one09:25
* shadeslayer takes it uo09:25
shadeslayerup even09:25
Riddellshadeslayer: go for it09:30
shadeslayerawesome09:30
MirvRiddell: hi. thanks for help offer on the debian/copyright:s.. I'm only finding now the right combination of tools and greps that don't miss anything. lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtdeclarative-opensource-src is now updated with everything I found today09:38
Mirvand at least for smaller modules it's going ok. qtwebkit seems like a monster that may be hard to tame.09:39
shadeslayer^09:41
shadeslayerMirv: I was trying to package qtwebkit 2.3 the other day09:41
shadeslayerPossibly have to redo the entire rules from scratch09:41
Riddellqtwebkit is a beast09:42
Mirvshadeslayer: I'm building the qtwebkit part of Qt 5 releases fine (lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src), but the size of the existing debian/copyright is >500k and so is the size of any grep, licensecheck etc. one can think of09:43
shadeslayer@_@09:43
shadeslayerMirv: did you reuse existing packaging?09:43
Mirvshadeslayer: yes, I've committed and based it at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qtwebkit.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/qt5 although it lacks the very latest changes on Ubuntu side09:44
Mirveven i386 started to get Out-Of-Memory with the qtwebkit 5.0.1.. but now it (and armhf) build again with some more memory saving options09:45
shadeslayer@_@09:50
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/669512/09:55
shadeslayerany ideas ?09:55
shadeslayerI've already installed kdepimlibs5-dev which has FindQGpgme.cmake09:55
shadeslayerbut I don't quite understand why it still fails at find_package_handle_standard_args09:55
shadeslayerfind_package_handle_standard_args(QGpgme  DEFAULT_MSG  QGPGME_LIBRARY QGPGME_INCLUDE_DIR _QGPGME_EXTRA_LIBRARY)09:56
Riddellshadeslayer: "No usable gpgme flavours found." installgpgme?09:56
shadeslayerI did ... I think09:56
Riddelllibgpgme11-dev ?09:56
shadeslayernot quite the package I thought I needed09:56
shadeslayerawesome, good catch09:57
shadeslayerI thought something was wrong with QGpgme09:58
Riddella good catch all before breakfast, today will be a good day09:58
shadeslayer:D09:58
shadeslayerand isn't it a bit too late for breakfast09:59
shadeslayerhm, I could either leave the packaging as simple it is right now10:00
shadeslayeror make it slightly convoluted with separate -data packages10:01
* shadeslayer makes it slightly convoluted10:02
Riddellgrumble my new flatmate used up my milk delaying my breakfast until I can be bothered to go out and get some more10:03
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shadeslayerheh10:03
shadeslayerMirv: is the qtwebkit for Qt5 significantly different than qtwebkit 2.3 ?10:09
shadeslayeror is it one and the same thing10:09
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Riddellshadeslayer: it's not the same thing10:14
Riddellbut nearly is10:14
shadeslayerI see10:14
Riddellqtwebkit 3.0 is for Qt 5 and qtwebkit 2.3 is a port of that to qt 410:14
RiddellI tihnk10:14
shadeslayerah10:14
shadeslayerdoes the UDS registration link work for you?10:15
RiddellI've not tried10:15
shadeslayerokay10:20
shadeslayercould you?10:20
Riddellshadeslayer: in a minute, got some milk now10:20
shadeslayersure :)10:20
apacheloggeryofel: that active install vs. workspace removal it ws not the first time ....10:30
apacheloggerStart-Date: 2012-10-04  21:55:1010:31
apacheloggerit installed active-data and mobilecomponents for no reason it seems10:31
apacheloggerand apt-get autoremove removed them again10:32
apacheloggerwtf10:32
smartboyhwshadeslayer, not sure10:35
apacheloggerI can however say that the syste was installed 08-20 and upgraded to kde 4.9.2 on 10-0410:36
apacheloggerwhat is curious about the upgrade though is that it also installed the aforementioned active components with a ppa verion suffix10:36
apacheloggerand just about the same thing happened with 4.1010:37
apacheloggerand here's the thing10:38
apacheloggerthe dude does not have the active ppa in his sources10:38
apacheloggerso where did the active stuff come from?10:38
shadeslayercan you show me the line?10:39
shadeslayeri.e which ppa we're talking about10:39
shadeslayerand what package10:39
yofeluh...10:39
yofel     2.0+git2012021101-0ubuntu4~ppa3 010:39
yofel         50 http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/ubuntu/ precise/universe amd64 Packages10:39
shadeslayerRiddell: why is plasma-mobile still in -proposed :(10:39
shadeslayerdafuq10:40
yofelsomeone forgot to strip ppa versions there10:40
shadeslayeryeah10:40
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/2.0+git2012021101-0ubuntu4~ppa310:40
* apachelogger takes a step back10:41
yofelfun10:41
apacheloggeryes10:41
apacheloggerYES10:41
yofelon 2012-10-04 kubuntu-desktop was removed too10:41
apacheloggerYESSSSSS10:41
apacheloggerwell, no10:42
apacheloggeror maybe10:42
apacheloggermeh10:42
shadeslayerhaha10:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I needs u10:42
shadeslayerwho wants to do the copyright bits of plasmate?10:43
yofelit was, together with muon. Lucky kde-workspace-bin didn't get removed10:43
apacheloggeryofel: the previous logs ...10:43
apachelogger!10:43
yofelI'm looking at history.4.gz10:43
apacheloggerupon an upgrade apt logs Upgraded: foo bar yourmom10:43
apacheloggerboth times active got installed there was no Upgraded section10:44
apacheloggereverything was in install!10:44
apacheloggerso I really do not think this is our fault10:44
* shadeslayer blames apachelogger for the mess and moves on10:44
yofeleh, but 2012-10-04  22:01:14  has Install, Upgrade and Remove sections10:45
apacheloggerunless that is what apt likes to do in some situations, we are not at fault here10:45
yofelJontheEchidna: feature request: put the apt command line you're emulating into the history!10:45
apacheloggeryofel: fair enough the present one does not10:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: do you think we could do a pgst release with the snapshot functionality and get it into ubuntu?10:45
afiestasapachelogger: is user-manager pakaged?10:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we have a recipe?10:46
apacheloggeralas, I had a recipe but apparently did not save it or something10:46
apacheloggerafiestas: pending recipe+building10:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes10:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: you forgot to push packaging into bzr10:46
afiestasapachelogger: so it is not?10:46
apacheloggerafiestas: nope10:46
afiestasI added a COPYING just for you10:46
afiestas:/10:46
apacheloggerafiestas: should be done today10:46
apacheloggerafiestas: :*10:46
afiestaswith all my hearth and love10:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: it's pushed since forever ago10:46
shadeslayerah10:47
afiestasapachelogger: today I plan to make first release 10:47
apacheloggerno clue where, but somewhere10:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: I did not bother to check10:47
apacheloggerah, probably forgot to poke you10:47
shadeslayeryup10:47
Riddellshadeslayer: hmm fail at the first step, can't click on "register for developer summit" here http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/10:47
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, that's what I get too10:48
shadeslayerjust reloads the page10:48
apacheloggertry firefox?10:48
shadeslayerFurryfox!10:48
shadeslayerlol10:49
shadeslayerit has a "No entry" sign10:49
apacheloggeryofel: please ask what tool he used for the upgrade10:49
apacheloggeryofel: I don't think assuming muon is a good idea10:49
yofelshadeslayer: it's a disabled link that redirects to the same page10:49
shadeslayerbleh :P10:49
yofelapachelogger: true10:50
apacheloggerwhat realy puzzles me about the 10-04 log though10:50
apachelogger...10:50
apacheloggerit installed active-data, which is only depended upon by plasma-active10:50
apacheloggerthen he did exactly: install filelight; install a bunch of cli crap; (re)install muon; autoremove10:51
apacheloggerand that autoremove removed active-data again10:51
apacheloggerso I am really confused as to why first apt thinks it needs to install the pacakge without having anything dependent on it installed and then it realizes that it in fact does not need it and autoremoves it10:52
apacheloggerit maks no sense10:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does muon do manual dep resolution such that an issue like that could occur ^10:52
apacheloggerFWIW, for future bug reports it may make sense to look into a way to make kubuntu-desktop so important that apt will not dare but instead block10:55
apacheloggerno clue how we can do it but looking at those logs it would be a good idea10:55
apacheloggergetting -desktop removed twice without even having done a distro upgrade seems like a *really* bad thing10:55
shadeslayermark it as essential?10:55
yofelwas thinking the same, but that would at least not work during the first update10:56
shadeslayerplasmate packaging up, with the exception of having copyright stuff10:56
shadeslayerlp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate10:56
shadeslayeralso, have not shipped that single header, waiting for upstream to reply10:56
apacheloggeryofel: why not?10:57
apacheloggerin the october removal it was removed because muon was removed, whatever made muon go away should have been blocked by triggering the removal of kubuntu-desktop10:58
yofelapachelogger: we can't really make it essential in the archive? or can we? (I doubt)10:58
apacheloggerin the feburary removal it was removed because workspace was removed, same thing as with muon10:58
apacheloggeryofel: why not?10:58
yofellet me read the policy again...10:59
apacheloggerdon't care about the policy really :P10:59
shadeslayerisn't that what governs dpkg? :P10:59
apacheloggerfor all I care apt can be patched to never ever allow removal of kubuntu-desktop :P10:59
shadeslayerlol10:59
apacheloggerwell, unless done manual10:59
apacheloggermy point is10:59
apacheloggerit needs to happen10:59
yofelwel10:59
yofel*well11:00
apacheloggerhow it happens is implementation detail I do not give a rats booty about11:00
yofelI guess we could argue along the lines of "Packages which are necessary for the proper functioning of the system"11:00
yofelwhich matches "required"11:00
yofelif apt cares about the priority11:00
* yofel tries11:00
afiestashow can I tell this user: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31494811:05
Riddellyofel ryanakca: did bug 1103746 get solved or does it need someone to add the sip version stuff?11:05
ubottuKDE bug 314948 in kded "kded4 crash: caused by KScreen daemon" [Major,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo]11:05
ubottubug 1103746 in frescobaldi (Ubuntu) "frescobaldi crashed with RuntimeError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/frescobaldi_app/musicview/documents.py: the sip module implements API v9.0 to v9.1 but the popplerqt4 module requires API v8.1" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110374611:05
afiestasto install a more recent version of libkscreen ?11:05
yofelRiddell: I think ryanakca wanted to add that in debian first11:05
yofelRiddell: though you could probably go ahead and add the sip stuff as the package needs a merge anyway later11:06
Riddellafiestas: we have 0.0.71 in raring, what should we have?11:07
Riddellthat's the newest on ftpmaster11:07
afiestasRiddell: I'd like a way of having daily builds so I can tell users to upgrade easily11:07
afiestaswe fix bugs everyday (like the one reported) but I don't like closing bugs without a "That fixed it for me"11:07
Riddellafiestas: mm good idea, not something we have set up for kscreen currently11:08
Riddellapachelogger, shadeslayer etc: anyone want to set up daily builds of kscreen or shall I do it? (I'd kindae rather get on with these two releases we have to do)11:09
afiestasbad thing of having releases  you stop packaging git :p11:09
yofelok, apt cares s*** about the priority11:09
Riddellyofel: apt cares slow?11:09
Riddellapt cares soar?11:09
yofellol, nvm, I'm just getting pissed off at apt11:10
shadeslayerwhere do you want to the kscreen daily builds to go?11:10
shadeslayerI could do them tomorrow11:11
shadeslayerbecause I'd like to work on pgst after this11:11
Riddellshadeslayer: kubuntu-ppa/experimental?11:11
shadeslayerokie11:11
Riddellor cyberspace or blue-shell or something?11:11
yofelapachelogger: seems like essential is really the only thing that would prevent apt from just removing it :/11:11
yofelthat we be so no policy-compliant though11:11
yofel*not11:12
shadeslayerhuzzah http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/virtual-bitcoins-can-now-be-traded-for-dominos-pizza/11:12
Riddellshadeslayer: at last, the perfect business model for ex-kubuntuer shtylman11:13
shadeslayer:D11:13
shadeslayerMirv: could you have a go at QtWebkit 2.3?11:13
shadeslayeror no time for that?11:14
Riddellshadeslayer: I fear he's busy enough with qt 5 but maybe we could leech his qt 5 packaging for webkit and backport it to 2.3?11:15
shadeslayerpossibly, but looks like an insane amount of changes to me11:15
apacheloggeryofel: what's the policy say about essential?11:16
yofelapachelogger: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s3.811:17
shadeslayerRiddell: I have to hack on pgst a bit, would you like to take that up?11:18
apacheloggerSince these packages cannot be easily removed (one has to specify an extra force option to dpkg to do so)11:18
apacheloggerthat is not the desired behavior11:18
shadeslayeror maybe I could have a look at it later this week11:18
Riddellshadeslayer: take up which?11:19
apacheloggerwe want it to be easy to remove, we do not want it to be disappearing in an upgrade11:19
shadeslayerRiddell: qtwebkit11:19
yofelapachelogger: what would be left is an apt pin >100011:19
Riddellshadeslayer: needs Mirv to do it for qt 5 first no?11:19
apacheloggeryofel: muon can do that11:19
apacheloggerin fact11:19
shadeslayererrr11:19
shadeslayerRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src11:19
shadeslayeralready done?11:19
apacheloggermuon could simply refuse to remove -desktop if it is not removed explicitly11:19
Riddellshadeslayer: I need to start looking at 12.04.2 and alpha 2 now11:19
shadeslayerokay11:19
Riddellshadeslayer: how far did you get using the existing packaging?11:20
shadeslayerhaven't tried it11:20
shadeslayeroh wait11:20
yofelapachelogger: that won't help users of other package manager interfaces though11:20
shadeslayerRiddell: existing Qt5 packaging or the one in the archive?11:20
apacheloggerI do not care11:20
Riddellshadeslayer: there's no existing qt 5 packaging11:20
apacheloggeryofel: as I said, wait for JT11:20
Riddellshadeslayer: I was meaning the qtwebkit-source we have now11:20
yofelyeah11:20
apacheloggerif worse comes to worse we make muon block on -desktop11:21
shadeslayerRiddell: but isn't this https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src the Qt5 Webkit packaging?11:21
shadeslayerRiddell: nowhere11:21
shadeslayermostly due to the fact that everything's changed I think11:21
apacheloggerif people want the best experience they will have to use the tools we expect them to use11:21
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, not yet complete (probably just copyright to be done)11:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: and not aptitude11:21
shadeslayerRiddell: ah :)11:21
apacheloggerfor example11:21
shadeslayerI think alot of the Netrunner users use aptitude11:22
yofelinteresting how hard it is to tell apt to not remove something...11:23
shadeslayerhehehe11:24
apacheloggerwell11:24
apacheloggerdist-upgrade is dist-upgrade11:24
Riddellno it's not11:25
Riddelldist-upgrade with the DistUpgrade tool has policy11:25
Riddellit won't remove kubuntu-desktop11:25
apacheloggerthe entire system&policy is not made to support metapackages really11:26
apacheloggerRiddell: that's explicit handling11:26
Riddellyes11:26
yofelaptitude safe-upgrade is a sane thing11:26
yofelexcept that it breaks on marble11:26
Riddellaptitude will use its different algorithms and come up with different decisions11:26
apacheloggermy point is there is no consideration throughout the spec and implementation of a package that is really a crutch to the packagers11:26
apacheloggeri.e. kubuntu-desktop other than a convenient point of entry for kubuntu installations is really a thing helping us to not have 3000 inter package dependencies to form the kubuntu stack11:27
apacheloggerthe stack is held together by kubuntu-desktop11:28
apacheloggerif it gets removed, the stack falls apart, 'the system' mentioned in the policy is still working and all11:29
apacheloggerit is simply not working for our target audience11:29
Mirvshadeslayer: not right the moment (qtwebkit 2.3), working on the qt5 + webkit indeed11:37
shadeslayerokay :)11:37
Mirvthe qtwebkit packaging is ok build-wise, but possibly not finished yet in all respects.11:38
Riddellsmartboyhw: you tried 12.04.2 candidates?11:47
Riddellsmartboyhw: did the live desktop have the folderview on it?11:47
* shadeslayer is zsync'ing 12.04.2 candidates for virtualbox testing11:47
Riddellcos i386 doesn't apply kubuntu plasma setup :(11:48
Riddellhi murthy, you passed me a ktp file yesterday but shadeslayer is probably a better person for that since he tends to do ktp11:51
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apacheloggerstuff is getting QA'd for python3, right?11:55
Riddellthat would be nice11:56
* apachelogger ponders introducing post-mortems11:58
apacheloggerRiddell: the thing apol_ found wrt the upgradefetcher should not ever have happened11:59
apacheloggerthe simplest of automatic tests would have discovered that11:59
apol_+112:00
apol_and FWIW muon won't be able to trigger dist-upgrades on 12.1012:00
apol_I'm unsure if there are other mechanisms to do that12:00
apacheloggerapol_: why is that?12:01
apol_apachelogger: we called the python script that changed place using an absolute path12:01
apacheloggerneed to update muon12:01
apacheloggerupgrading from an not upgraded 12.10 to 13.04 is not supported anyway12:02
apacheloggerapol_: also the packge with the fetcher needs fixing12:02
apacheloggerthough this appears to also have failed ubuntu's QA12:02
apacheloggeror maybe I am not understanding the problem12:02
apol_well, I'm on 12.10 and i have the python file in a different place than what muon expects12:03
apacheloggerhm, actually it is only broken for us because of if __name__ == "__main__":12:03
apacheloggerhow I hate python -.-12:03
apacheloggerapol_: yeah, so we fix muon :P12:04
apacheloggerand we fix the python12:04
apacheloggerand all will be good :P12:04
apacheloggerwhat puzzles me though12:04
apol_hm12:04
apacheloggerScottK: didn't we have reports of people getting upgrade prompts to 13.04?12:04
apacheloggerif those were running 12.10 the prompt is not from anything kde12:04
apacheloggeroh12:04
apacheloggerthough checking should work12:04
apacheloggeryou could not upgrade though12:05
apacheloggerman that is broken12:05
* apachelogger scratches head12:05
apacheloggerapol_: I think we need a meta-script12:06
apol_for running the KDE dist upgrade?12:07
apacheloggeryeah12:07
apol_as in import; main() { run }12:07
apol_makes sense12:07
apacheloggeryah12:07
apacheloggerin py3 you cannot have relative imports in a non-package12:08
apacheloggerand when calling just the one script it is a non-package12:08
vHandaRiddell: any idea if an updated nepomuk-core has been shipped? I sent a mail about this to the kde-packagers list.12:08
apol_nasty -.-12:08
apacheloggerhowever since it is actually part of a package (i.e. DistUpgrade) you'd need if non-package: import foo, bar, foobar\nelse: import .foo, .bar, .foobar12:09
apacheloggerto keep both cases working12:09
apacheloggerand then there is the problem that the stuff it imports again does relative imports...12:10
apacheloggerso generally creating a metascript is the way to go IMO12:10
RiddellvHanda: updated in 4.10?12:12
shadeslayervHanda: I don't think so :(12:12
RiddellvHanda: ah you're asking if we've packaged it?  no we haven't yet done that I'm afraid12:13
shadeslayerokay, yofel took care of it12:13
Riddellooh did he?12:13
Riddellhe's a good one that yofel 12:13
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nepomuk-core/4:4.10.0-0ubuntu212:13
shadeslayerfor raring atleast12:13
shadeslayer*nod*12:13
vHandashadeslayer: so people who have already installed nepomuk-core will get an update, and then they can reinstall it?12:15
yofelvHanda: I pinged you yesterday wrt uploading that12:15
yofelthey'll get an update12:15
shadeslayervHanda: the new package will overwrite files from the old one12:15
shadeslayerand the issue will be gone12:15
vHandaah. Sorry. I've been getting a little complaints on irc, so I've been avoiding it a little12:15
vHandacool12:16
yofelheh12:16
vHandathank you, very much12:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: testcase fix plz12:18
shadeslayeroh god12:18
* shadeslayer is too tired for that stuff12:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: tomorrow12:18
apacheloggerdude12:19
apacheloggeryou just need to add install chromium and use that12:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: so it does open with chromium?12:19
apacheloggeryeah12:19
apacheloggeras I said it does not install a protocol12:19
shadeslayermmkay12:20
apacheloggerwhy rekonq does not pick it up12:20
apacheloggerfirefox on kde won't either unless gnoemsupport is installed12:20
apacheloggeras firefox has no native support for desktopfile reading and gnome-style proto defintiion in the desktop file12:21
apacheloggerchromium does so chromium is what one should use to verify12:21
shadeslayerdone12:22
shadeslayerare you happy npw12:22
shadeslayer*now12:22
shadeslayercan I go back to pgst? 12:22
Riddellgrr12:46
Riddell/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js  does not get run in 12.04.2 candidates12:47
Riddellbut does in 12.04.112:47
Riddellwhat the heck12:47
* apachelogger blinks12:56
apacheloggerRiddell: how do you know?12:56
Riddellapachelogger: by loading up precise-desktop-i386.iso12:57
Riddellno folderview, panel too small12:57
RiddellI turn on debugging and add a new user and log in12:57
Riddellit's loading /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js12:58
Riddelland not /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js12:58
RiddellI do the same on 12.04.1 and the opposite happens12:59
* apachelogger sighs13:00
apacheloggerRiddell: plasma people13:00
apacheloggerI am getting a major depression started today \o/13:00
Riddellalso broken on precise-desktop-amd64.iso13:02
* Riddell chooses to believe that apachelogger was not entirely serious and doesn't need help13:07
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MirvRiddell: I'd be starting to be ready with qtbase in addition to qtdeclarative. can you check/upload those or do you want me to get eg. Didier to upload them?13:18
Mirvqtbase is still a small question mark - I found some more RFC:s in there (among else the "bigfiles" by Internet Society) so they need to be removed from the orig tarball. however the bigfile:s are part of automated tests so I'm building to see if those tests happen to be run and now fail.13:19
Mirvas RFC:s are non-DFSG compliant13:19
RiddellMirv: many RFCs have BSD licence text hidden somewhere in them13:21
Riddelloften at the end13:21
Riddellbut yeah many are not DFSG alas13:21
RiddellMirv: I can check and upload just say when you think it's ready13:21
MirvRiddell: ok, let me wait for the build to finish and re-checking the rfc:s, I think I only saw the normal Internet Society copyright13:23
Riddellcopying the k-d-s 00-defaultLayout.js to /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js solves it13:29
Riddellwaa13:29
RiddellI have no idea what could cause this13:29
Riddellthe k-d-s is still in kde4-config --path data13:30
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MirvRiddell: ready!13:46
MirvRiddell: the new tarball at http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/qt5/qtbase-opensource-src_5.0.1+dfsg.orig.tar.xz13:46
Mirv(md5sum in the same directory)13:46
Mirvlp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src , and then also the  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Netscape/Mozilla and a couple others)13:47
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Riddellgroovy thanks Mirv 13:53
smartboyhwRiddell, er?14:10
Riddellsmartboyhw: do you confirm?14:12
smartboyhwRiddell, what?:p14:12
Riddellsmartboyhw: 12.04.2 candidate imgage have no folderview on desktop14:13
smartboyhwRiddell, wait I just came back14:13
smartboyhwlet me zsync the images first14:13
lordievaderRiddell: I can confirm that, both amd64 and i386 don't have folder view.14:13
smartboyhwSomeone deal with Bug 1122107 BTW14:14
ubottubug 1122107 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "I can't select "Require my password to log in" and "Encrypt my home folder" at the same time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112210714:14
smartboyhwlordievader, report a bug14:14
lordievaderDidn't know it was supposed to have it...14:15
ryanakcaScottK: Thanks14:16
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lordievaderTo what package should this bug be attributed? Casper?14:17
lordievaderWill check the 13.04 image soon to see if that one does have the folder view on the desktop.14:20
BluesKajHiyas all14:21
BluesKajfolder view is available in the panelwidgets on 13.04 , lordievader14:23
smartboyhwhiyas14:23
lordievaderBluesKaj: See Riddell's last message, this is about the live-cd image where the folder view with the installer link is missing from the desktop.14:24
BluesKajI can't . just loged in14:24
BluesKajerr logged14:25
lordievaderBluesKaj: Ah, sorry.14:25
BluesKaj folderview has been an option in desktop default settings for a while 14:28
BluesKajit's there on my install14:28
Riddelljono: uds registration is broken14:37
jonoRiddell, thanks for letting me know14:37
jonoalso, hi14:37
jonohows it going?14:38
Riddellgoing fab thanks14:39
Riddellsmartboyhw: that ubiquity isn't isn't a bug, just a poor design14:40
Riddelllordievader: ok the actual bug is that plasma doesn't load the init script from kubuntu-default-settings14:40
Riddelllordievader: and I think it should be reported on kde-runtime14:40
lordievaderRiddell: Ok, will do ;) It is present on the raring amd64 alpha 2 image :)14:41
Riddelllordievader: um, it is?14:42
lordievaderRiddell: It was for me, just checked. Havent checked the i386 version though.14:42
ovidiu-florinhello world :D14:44
Riddellhi ovidiu-florin 14:44
smartboyhwHello ovidiu-florin 14:48
Riddellovidiu-florin: alas I've no idea if that laptop has secure boot/uefi on it, it seems to be hard to find out14:49
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1123126] Folder view not present on the desktop of live-cd @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)14:49
ovidiu-florinso I'll find out if I buy it...14:50
ovidiu-florinI'll run Kubuntu on it, so I really hope everything will run ok. If not. I'm open to any experiments (that won't destroy the hardware and loose my warranty)14:50
ovidiu-florinkubotu: I've reported that in my IOS testing, But I did not know that there was a bug14:51
ovidiu-florinISO*14:51
murthyhello everyone14:59
Riddellhi murthy 15:00
murthyRiddell: i am going through the backlogs, i came across about the ktp from you, reading it15:01
murthyRiddell: about the ktp, shadeslayer confirmation is pending for the verification15:02
Riddellhi skaet, we've a bug in kubuntu 12.04.2 candidates :(15:02
Riddellbug 112312615:02
ubottubug 1123126 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "plasma-desktop not running init script from k-d-s" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312615:03
murthyshadeslayer: did you complete the ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright ? if not can you verify mine so that i can upload it?15:03
shadeslayerupload it?15:04
murthyshadeslayer: I am phoenix_firebrd15:04
shadeslayerand it'll have to wait till tomorrow15:04
shadeslayerright, but upload it where? It won't be going into the archive for another month15:04
murthyshadeslayer: Thats ok15:05
smartboyhwmurthy, LOL15:10
murthyshadeslayer: hi15:10
smartboyhwmurthy, I fixed the copyright file of cantata already 15:10
shadeslayeruh, hi?15:10
shadeslayerlike I said, will have a look tomorrow15:11
murthysmartboyhw: ya Riddell told me yesterday, thank you. Its my mistake i didn't coordinate properly15:11
shadeslayerdon't want to look right now15:11
smartboyhwmurthy, don't worry:)15:11
murthysmartboyhw: next time i won't forget to notify in the team pad15:11
smartboyhwmurthy, :)15:12
murthyshadeslayer: sorry15:12
murthyshadeslayer: both of you and smartboyhw looks identical when seen15:13
smartboyhwmurthy, how do you know my face?15:13
murthysmartboyhw: he he , i mean the nick :P15:14
smartboyhwmurthy, LOL do we15:14
murthyif any ubuntu-science team fellows present , need help in building herwig++15:15
murthysmartboyhw: may be 30%15:15
murthykolabd is part of kolab package?15:17
smartboyhwmurthy, oh?15:17
smartboyhwI'm not ubuntu-science15:17
smartboyhwmurthy, ask in #edubuntu? :P15:18
yofelwhat's kolabd?15:18
murthyyofel: demon?15:18
murthyyofel: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html15:18
murthysmartboyhw: thats a good idea15:18
yofelah15:18
yofelconsidering how old it is it might be worth aksing the debian folks why they didn't update it. (Could be just because debian is frozen now)15:20
murthyyofel: so kolabd is not part of kolab package?15:22
yofelit has its own package15:23
murthyyofel: ok15:24
murthyyofel: will be good if i search for the bug reports for any packaging wishlist and give it priority?15:24
yofelpriority as in?15:25
murthyyofel: packaging it first15:26
yofelsure, on the pad you will find links at the top related to what we track. Other than that: bugs tagged with upgrade-software-version are update requests, needs-packaging are requests for new packages15:29
murthyyofel: nice15:29
murthyyofel: on to that15:29
yofelfor complete new packages that aren't related to us you should ask in #ubuntu-motu though for the correct procedure15:30
yofel(that's true for anything not related to us actually)15:30
* philwyett is waiting not so patiently for todays daily 12.04.2 ISO. Need to check many things including if http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/12/kubuntu_12.04.2_2013_02_11_alternate_64bit_install_bug.png is still an issue. :-/15:31
yofelouch15:32
murthyyofel: give me the bugzilla page15:34
yofelwhat bugzilla page?15:34
murthyyofel: packaging bugs15:35
yofelsee the top of the pad15:35
yofelhm15:36
yofelwant to do some kde-workspace hacking? That screen management seperation would be something not too hard15:37
yofel(I hope)15:37
murthyyofel: cmake stuff?15:38
yofelmoving files in install files around rather15:38
yofelsplitting out the kded module might already do the trick15:39
murthyyofel: i can try can you guide me?15:39
yofelhm, and the krandr stuff probably15:39
yofelnot too much, working on something else right now15:40
murthyyofel: even nepomuk-webminer needs a similar work have to seperate the plugins from the main package15:40
yofelheh15:40
yofeldid anyone manage to rework the generator yet?15:41
murthyyofel: no15:41
yofelheh15:41
murthyyofel: do you think it can be optimized or is it at its best ?15:41
yofelcan't really say. It's rather complex as it is now15:43
murthyyofel:do you want me to work on kde-workspace ?15:44
murthyyofel: kde wallpaper needs some fixing too15:44
yofelit does?15:44
murthyyofel: its a very old issue, not noticeable in new faster computers 15:44
yofelstill, what's the problem?15:45
murthyyofel: plasma-deskop will crash when applying a new image as wallper  by clicking the "apply" and "ok" button immediatly one after other 15:46
yofelfun, that would be a bug in plasma though15:46
murthyyofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30070815:47
ubottuKDE bug 300708 in wallpaper-image "Editing wallpaper file makes Plasma display a black background until cache is removed" [Minor,Confirmed]15:47
murthyyofel: A similar bug which crashes plasma-desktop is also present in kwallet15:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pong15:50
yofelmurthy: well, that's probably a plugin issue. But I don't know plasma well enough for that15:50
murthyyofel: which one the wallpaper or the kwallet one?15:51
yofellatter15:51
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1123126] plasma-desktop not running init script from k-d-s @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)15:52
yofelmurthy: as for kde-workspace: we'll be using kscreen instead of krandr for screen management. As they kind of conflict with each other at runtime krandr needs to be split out from the current kde-workspace packages into it's own15:52
yofelit's a bit tricky, so if you don't think you're up to it nevermind15:53
murthyyofel: i can understand, its a pretty important package and i don't want martin to get mad at me :)15:53
murthyyofel: I will continue on syncing the debian packages15:55
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yofelapachelogger: the guy now posted his package list. But I still can't reproduce it even with the same packages installed :/17:13
Riddell12.04.2 candidate images do run the right plasma init script :(17:27
yofelRiddell: it works after all?17:35
Riddellyofel: alternate17:38
Riddellnot on desktop :(17:38
Riddellvery random17:38
yofelo.O17:40
Riddellug, everything keeps freezing on my 12.04.2 install 17:56
Riddelllordievader: you still testing it?17:56
Riddellcan you select any text in konsole?17:56
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lordievaderRiddell: Installing it works quite fine, haven't tested the live environment very extensively.18:08
lordievaderGonna run some more tests a little later.18:08
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lordievaderRiddell: In the live env selecting text in konsole works.18:33
lordievaderIn the live-cd muon claims a lot of software is installed while it is not...  for example: banshee, bazaar, bittornado, etc. Report bug against muon?18:36
Riddelllordievader: hum18:40
Riddelldunno what that's about18:40
Riddellbut it'll be some cache left in apt, nothing muon specific18:40
Riddellreport on ubuntu-cdimage maybe18:40
lordievaderAh yes that looks like is the issue, an apt-get update got rid of it. I'll report it to ubuntu-cdimage.18:42
Riddelllordievader: you scored out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/255/builds/37374/testcases/1303/results Live Session in Kubuntu Desktop amd64 for Raring Daily?18:42
lordievaderRiddell: Scored out?18:43
Riddelllordievader: marked as cancelled18:43
Riddellor whatever puts a line through your name18:44
lordievaderAh yes I deleted it, reflecting the report I felt I had not tested it enough to report it a pass.18:44
Riddellokay dokay18:45
Riddellalpha 2 candidate working good here18:45
lordievaderWhat I have seen of it, it was working fine. Indeed. :)18:46
lordievaderRiddell: Hehe, look what I found! Under the 12.04.2 live-cd if you go to the "Desktop Icons" activity, there is a Install Kubuntu 12.04.2 LTS icon.... 18:55
Riddelllordievader: yeah it'll be there, it's a problem in the way the plasma desktop is set up18:59
lordievaderI have a feeling it is know that the "Get New (kdm) Themes" button is broken? I mean the system reports the download is finished but they do not show up in the login themes list.19:31
yofellordievader: that is broken since ages, run the KCM as root and you'll get the themes19:34
lordievaderIt is a permission error, when the systemsettings program is ran with sudo rights kdm themes can be installed.19:34
lordievaderGot the same conclusion... :P19:34
yofellordievader: kde bug 25545319:36
ubottuKDE bug 255453 in kcm_kdm "Theme downloading doesn't work as user" [Normal,Confirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25545319:36
jussievening all20:05
murthyjussi: good evening20:07
ovidiu-floringood night everybody, I'm out22:05
ScottKapachelogger: We did.  I wrote to ubuntu-devel about it.22:18
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DarkwingYay23:04
* Darkwing is back23:04
ScottKin black?23:10
DarkwingLOL 23:10
DarkwingNaww, just got everything back to normal in my life and I'll be getting back into the swing of actually doing stuff again.23:10
DarkwingHas anyone tried Kubuntu-active with the Ubuntu on the Nexus7?23:13
yofelDarkwing: shadeslayer has been working on that mostly. It's been a while since I tried it on mine23:47
yofelDarkwing: and welcome back :D23:47

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